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2013-06-25 04:16:26 PM
Just curious, after watching it last night, why didn't someone just suggest digging under it? Don't they have any shovels in that town?
 
2013-06-25 04:38:47 PM

8 inches: Just curious, after watching it last night, why didn't someone just suggest digging under it?


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2013-06-25 04:54:48 PM

8 inches: Just curious, after watching it last night, why didn't someone just suggest digging under it? Don't they have any shovels in that town?


In the book, at least, the forcefield goes down quite a ways.
 
2013-06-25 05:03:30 PM
SPOILER


Isn't Angie supposed to be dead already? The actress playing her is probably too hot to kill off
 
2013-06-25 05:08:57 PM
Is Hank going to get caught up in making meth?
 
2013-06-25 05:10:47 PM

8 inches: Just curious, after watching it last night, why didn't someone just suggest digging under it? Don't they have any shovels in that town?


It was only the first episode.  The town is still going through the "what the fark is going on" phase.  Looking at press releases for upcoming episodes, someone does try digging at some point.


PizzaJedi81: NeoCortex42: After finally reading the article, I'm surprised it didn't make any mention of Storm of the Century.  I've always thought it was easily one of the better Stephen King TV projects.  It probably helped that it wasn't a story adaptation, but was meant to work as a television production from the beginning.

I DRTFA, but did it mention Rose Red? Because I remember watching and enjoying the heck out of that one.


It's mentioned in the list. I haven't seen it yet, but have been meaning to check it out. I've heard it's worthwhile.

 
2013-06-25 05:18:19 PM

8 inches: Just curious, after watching it last night, why didn't someone just suggest digging under it? Don't they have any shovels in that town?


It's early on in the tale, not even a full day.  I am sure the digging will start soon and end badly.
 
2013-06-25 05:28:03 PM

Fano: Piizzadude: Side note:

Way back before all the bullshiat, I would have thought that "Rage" would have made a great movie with the right cast.

//add that to the list of "Never gonna happen"

Still waiting for my Running Man, Road Work, and Long Walk movies. Never gonna happen. Sigh. King can't end a book? Tell that to the Running Man, it was a blast!


Darabont is supposed to be working on the long walk. Roadwork would be a great anti government movie. Running Man hits too close to home for a network to show it.
 
2013-06-25 05:31:19 PM

PizzaJedi81: I DRTFA, but did it mention Rose Red? Because I remember watching and enjoying the heck out of that one.


Why would you come here and post a question like that rather than just, y'know, OPENING THE ARTICLE AND LOOKING?
 
2013-06-25 05:50:04 PM

baufan2005: Fano: Piizzadude: Side note:

Way back before all the bullshiat, I would have thought that "Rage" would have made a great movie with the right cast.

//add that to the list of "Never gonna happen"

Still waiting for my Running Man, Road Work, and Long Walk movies. Never gonna happen. Sigh. King can't end a book? Tell that to the Running Man, it was a blast!

Darabont is supposed to be working on the long walk. Roadwork would be a great anti government movie. Running Man hits too close to home for a network to show it.


No, Frank Darabont can't end a movie. He fails on every level. How awesome would Shawshank have been if it had ended with Red's monologue about journeys with uncertain ends and the shot over the Pacific? We didn't need to see him finding Andy on the beach and have it tied off for us.

And "The Mist" was pretty good until the last, oh, 45 seconds. WTF, Frank? I mean, WTfriggityF?
 
2013-06-25 06:25:58 PM

NeoCortex42: After finally reading the article, I'm surprised it didn't make any mention of Storm of the Century.  I've always thought it was easily one of the better Stephen King TV projects.  It probably helped that it wasn't a story adaptation, but was meant to work as a television production from the beginning.


I disagree. Sort of. Storm of the Century sucked for anyone who has ever spent the winter in snow country. The "snow" was ridiculous. It wasn't enough to be late for work in much of the country. In one scene they all walked right out the front door. If the storm had been even close to what it was supposed to be, they'd have been climbing out the upstairs windows and digging tunnels to get from here to there. (Did that in the Blizzard of 78) It was so ridiculously Hollywood, California's idea of a Big Snow Storm.

It ruined everything else, because of how not believable it was.
 
2013-06-25 06:59:59 PM

JerkStore: baufan2005: Fano: Piizzadude: Side note:

Way back before all the bullshiat, I would have thought that "Rage" would have made a great movie with the right cast.

//add that to the list of "Never gonna happen"

Still waiting for my Running Man, Road Work, and Long Walk movies. Never gonna happen. Sigh. King can't end a book? Tell that to the Running Man, it was a blast!

Darabont is supposed to be working on the long walk. Roadwork would be a great anti government movie. Running Man hits too close to home for a network to show it.

No, Frank Darabont can't end a movie. He fails on every level. How awesome would Shawshank have been if it had ended with Red's monologue about journeys with uncertain ends and the shot over the Pacific? We didn't need to see him finding Andy on the beach and have it tied off for us.

And "The Mist" was pretty good until the last, oh, 45 seconds. WTF, Frank? I mean, WTfriggityF?


I thought Darabont's ending in "The Mist" was great, while the King book had basically no ending.
 
2013-06-25 07:20:39 PM

JerkStore: baufan2005: Fano: Piizzadude: Side note:

Way back before all the bullshiat, I would have thought that "Rage" would have made a great movie with the right cast.

//add that to the list of "Never gonna happen"

Still waiting for my Running Man, Road Work, and Long Walk movies. Never gonna happen. Sigh. King can't end a book? Tell that to the Running Man, it was a blast!

Darabont is supposed to be working on the long walk. Roadwork would be a great anti government movie. Running Man hits too close to home for a network to show it.

No, Frank Darabont can't end a movie. He fails on every level. How awesome would Shawshank have been if it had ended with Red's monologue about journeys with uncertain ends and the shot over the Pacific? We didn't need to see him finding Andy on the beach and have it tied off for us.

And "The Mist" was pretty good until the last, oh, 45 seconds. WTF, Frank? I mean, WTfriggityF?


You know, in my head, the movie ends with Red on the bus looking out the window saying "I hope." I must turn the channel whenever it's on tv, because despite watching it on tv a million times, I apparently substitute in King's ending... until you pointed it out to me.

Personally, I enjoy a lot of King's endings where it fades away or cuts to black. Pet Semetary ends with Louis about to embrace Rachel. "Darling," it said. Much better than the ending where they spell out exactly what happens. Apt Pupil has a great bookend sentence, something like "it was after dark before the police finally took him down." Even simple stuff like in Tyger Tyger, where the little boy goes back to class after his teacher is eaten. The lst sentence of "The Ledge," "Cressner said he's never welshed on a bet. But I've been known to. The ending of "Last Rung on the Ladder." At his best, King avoids the kind of ending that's the 30 minutes everyone forgets about Psycho. He may have mentioned that in Danse Macabre, his book desperately in need of a sequel.

Oh and for mcnuguyen, King agreed the Darabont ending was better, and wasn't it a sight more bleak than the original.

/Ladyfingers they taste like ladyfingers
 
2013-06-25 07:24:17 PM

JerkStore: And "The Mist" was pretty good until the last, oh, 45 seconds. WTF, Frank? I mean, WTfriggityF?


Nah. The ending of movie provided closure that the story completely lacked. Yes it's dark. But the ending had King's blessing, and it actually  was an ending.

What we really need at last is a Long Walk adaption, as some folks have mentioned in this thread. What a fun low-budget ride that would be. Darabont has the rights, he really needs to get on it though.
 
2013-06-25 08:12:20 PM

texdent: I thought about watching it, but wound up watching Warehouse 13 instead.  Poor Claudia.


Does Warehouse 13 get better?  About halfway through the pilot I remembered life is finite.

/of course pilot != show
 
2013-06-25 08:20:52 PM

K.B.O. Winston: texdent: I thought about watching it, but wound up watching Warehouse 13 instead.  Poor Claudia.

Does Warehouse 13 get better?  About halfway through the pilot I remembered life is finite.

/of course pilot != show


It's not a great show, but it is fun. If you liked Eureka at all, it's worth giving WH13 a shot. Also, next season has been confirmed to be the show's last, so it's going to be wrapping things up soon.

/not a fan of Myka's current subplot because it seems too obvious how it's going to be resolved.
 
2013-06-25 08:54:41 PM

Fano: somehow an alien invasion shouldn't be pushed to the background so that a character can angst about not making the swim team in 8th grade.

'

Angst' is a verb? Learn something new every day.

Liked The Stand. A lot. The rest? Meh. And Kubricks The Shining was light years better than the boob tube version.
 
2013-06-25 08:56:50 PM

gas giant: SSDD


Same Stephen Different Dreck?
 
2013-06-25 09:03:15 PM

Disgruntled Goat: PizzaJedi81: I DRTFA, but did it mention Rose Red? Because I remember watching and enjoying the heck out of that one.

Why would you come here and post a question like that rather than just, y'know, OPENING THE ARTICLE AND LOOKING?


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Also, I don't like opening ign links. They suck.
 
2013-06-25 09:28:54 PM
SPOILER

Fano: Confabulat: Piizzadude: Confabulat: NuttierThanEver: I was surprised by how little Under the Dome sucked last night.

I liked it pretty well but Junior's subplot is already annoying and a mess. They could have done something interesting with that. But then King went out of his way to depict him as a drooling psychopath anyway. Still, a character arc before the crazy psycho killer nonsense would have been nice

(no that's not a spoiler, the show beats you over the head with it)

yeah that was a seriously weak link in an otherwise decent start to a mini-series

I think the guy on ew.com or somewhere said it best (I paraphrase): "There's nothing more annoying in sci-fi than when a character ignores amazing, historical, life-changing events to deal with his own issues."

Network Suit: "But it makes them RELATEABLE!"

I never went to any writing workshops, so I don't know from good storytelling. But somehow an alien invasion shouldn't be pushed to the background so that a character can angst about not making the swim team in 8th grade.


That was my problem with the whole show actually. Within 5 minutes run-time of the dome hitting the ground everyone in town knew about it and went back to their lives. Who would not be out their looking at it, touching it, talking about it, freaking out, looking at the destruction amongst other things........ How about a little confusion time, chaos, disbelief, instantly the town went to acceptance
 
2013-06-25 09:40:35 PM
Ladyfingers they taste like ladyfingers

Great ending!!
 
2013-06-25 09:47:05 PM
John Buck 41:
Liked The Stand. A lot. The rest? Meh. And Kubricks The Shining was light years better than the boob tube version.

I have a soft spot for the Shining TV miniseries. I know people really hate it, but I thought it was really good and much more faithful than the book. In Kubrick's version you never really get the feeling that Jack Torrance is ever sane or in control... the book and TV show do a much better job at showing him as a flawed father trying really hard to salvage his life and family before losing it.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:16 PM
And it was really cold in Julias house
 
2013-06-25 10:13:57 PM

NKURyan: In Kubrick's version you never really get the feeling that Jack Torrance is ever sane or in control


I see that criticism often and don't get it. In my eyes he's perfectly normal during the interview and for at least a period of time after moving into the Overlook.
 
2013-06-25 10:43:07 PM

John Buck 41: NKURyan: In Kubrick's version you never really get the feeling that Jack Torrance is ever sane or in control

I see that criticism often and don't get it. In my eyes he's perfectly normal during the interview and for at least a period of time after moving into the Overlook.


I think it's the choice of Jack Nicholson for the role that earns the criticism.  Even when he's first introduced, he looks like a guy who's slightly unhinged.  I get the feeling during the film that the hotel barely had to even work at getting Jack to flip out and attack his family.  It almost seemed like what would have happened on its own with them stuck at the Overlook all winter.

The one thing I really liked about the TV adaptation was that the guy from Wings came across more as a normal enough guy, who was actually willing to fight against the influence of the hotel.
 
2013-06-25 11:48:44 PM

NeoCortex42: John Buck 41: NKURyan: In Kubrick's version you never really get the feeling that Jack Torrance is ever sane or in control

I see that criticism often and don't get it. In my eyes he's perfectly normal during the interview and for at least a period of time after moving into the Overlook.

I think it's the choice of Jack Nicholson for the role that earns the criticism.  Even when he's first introduced, he looks like a guy who's slightly unhinged.  I get the feeling during the film that the hotel barely had to even work at getting Jack to flip out and attack his family.  It almost seemed like what would have happened on its own with them stuck at the Overlook all winter.

The one thing I really liked about the TV adaptation was that the guy from Wings came across more as a normal enough guy, who was actually willing to fight against the influence of the hotel.


In Stephen King's words, Jack just came off from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest and so everyone just knew he'd be nuts. Granted, in reality that had been 5 years earlier, so, FWIW. Furthermore, in the book (I don't remember how much they got into it in the movie) Torrance had been fired from teaching for beating the hell out of a student that had keyed his car, and was an alcoholic, so I don't know how "normal" he really was supposed to look. He clearly had anger control problems and a violent streak, so I don't quite buy King trying to say the actor should be the last guy you expect to snap.

I'm trying to remember how much Jack resisted in the book, but I don't recall him fighting much. Didn't he make out with the dead woman in the bathtub?

Let's hear what Jack Nicholson has to say:

Jack explains Jack Torrance
 
2013-06-26 12:21:11 AM

NeoCortex42: Fano: Bring back the Nightmares & Dreamscapes series. Well, this time call it "Full Dark, No Stars" or "Everything's Eventual."

No wait, just do all the short stories from Night Shift as a series. I'd love to see Battleground or Last Rung on the Ladder.

Was Battleground the one with the toy soldiers?  Because Nightmares and Dreamscapes covered it. Pretty well, too.

I still have to watch Under the Dome. It's sitting on my DVR. I'm optimistic, but worried that it's still an open series. For people saying it's a mini series, that's not certain yet. If it does well, CBS is planning on keeping it going. I feel like that would be a huge mistake.


I just watched the clip from Battleground. Well executed! I just assumed since Small Soldiers was made, there wouldn't be room to "seriously" treat this absurd little short story. I know King has the reputation from Family Guy as "ooh, a lamp monster, OOOOOH" but he did a lot of great short stories with absurd premises. The finger in the bathroom one and Here There Be Tygers come to mind.

Trivia for that segment: At several points during the televised episode, the killer Zuni fetish doll from the "Amelia" segment of the 1975 television movie can be spotted as part of Renshaw's trophy collection. This is an homage to Trilogy of Terror. The episode also has a similar plot and structure to Richard Matheson's classic 1961 episode of , ""The Invaders (The Twilight Zone)">The Invaders" which presents a similar sort of battle between a silent protagonist and miniature attackers.

Also, it was made into a 1986 Russian short film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DofuztDUg Submitted for your enjoyment.
 
2013-06-26 12:40:06 AM

Fano: NeoCortex42: John Buck 41: NKURyan: In Kubrick's version you never really get the feeling that Jack Torrance is ever sane or in control

I see that criticism often and don't get it. In my eyes he's perfectly normal during the interview and for at least a period of time after moving into the Overlook.

I think it's the choice of Jack Nicholson for the role that earns the criticism.  Even when he's first introduced, he looks like a guy who's slightly unhinged.  I get the feeling during the film that the hotel barely had to even work at getting Jack to flip out and attack his family.  It almost seemed like what would have happened on its own with them stuck at the Overlook all winter.

The one thing I really liked about the TV adaptation was that the guy from Wings came across more as a normal enough guy, who was actually willing to fight against the influence of the hotel.

In Stephen King's words, Jack just came off from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest and so everyone just knew he'd be nuts. Granted, in reality that had been 5 years earlier, so, FWIW. Furthermore, in the book (I don't remember how much they got into it in the movie) Torrance had been fired from teaching for beating the hell out of a student that had keyed his car, and was an alcoholic, so I don't know how "normal" he really was supposed to look. He clearly had anger control problems and a violent streak, so I don't quite buy King trying to say the actor should be the last guy you expect to snap. I'm trying to remember how much Jack resisted in the book, but I don't recall him fighting much. Didn't he make out with the dead woman in the bathtub?
Let's hear what Jack Nicholson has to say: Jack explains Jack Torrance


He was fired for beating up a student, and he also broke Danny's arm at one point, so he definitely had anger issues in the past, but the book makes it very clear that he is trying very hard to get these things under control for Danny's sake. He's stopped drinking, he was focused on his play, and one of the main reasons he accepted the Overlook job in the first place was because he thought it would be a positive experience for him and his family. As monstrous as the some of his past actions are, he really comes across as a decent guy trying to get better... it's obvious that he cares deeply about Danny and Wendy.

In the book he definitely tries to fight it, though I can't remember if these scenes were in the miniseries or not. Especially towards the beginning of the book, whenever Danny is in harm's way Jack is more concerned about him than anything. It takes time for the hotel to really grab a hold of him... the breaking point is when he sabotages the snowmobile. He doesn't make out with the bathtub lady (at least not in that scene... he does in another when he's full on hallucinating he's in the hotel's golden days), he actually leaves the room in a hurry and convinces himself it didn't happen. Personally I like the scene at the end where Jack manages to take control of himself just long enough to tell Danny he loves him, even though it's kind of corny.

Kubrick's version really just needed a few scenes of Jack and Danny playing together, or working on learning to read together. The whole movie suffers because of it because IMO it makes Jack come off as unstable from the beginning and gives Danny more of a creepy kid vibe that I don't think he really has in the book.

I still like Kubrick's version, I just don't think it has the "heart" that the book has.
 
2013-06-26 01:27:54 AM

NKURyan: He was fired for beating up a student, and he also broke Danny's arm at one point, so he definitely had anger issues in the past, but the book makes it very clear that he is trying very hard to get these things under control for Danny's sake. He's stopped drinking, he was focused on his play, and one of the main reasons he accepted the Overlook job in the first place was because he thought it would be a positive experience for him and his family. As monstrous as the some of his past actions are, he really comes across as a decent guy trying to get better... it's obvious that he cares deeply about Danny and Wendy.

In the book he definitely tries to fight it, though I can't remember if these scenes were in the miniseries or not. Especially towards the beginning of the book, whenever Danny is in harm's way Jack is more concerned about him than anything. It takes time for the hotel to really grab a hold of him... the breaking point is when he sabotages the snowmobile. He doesn't make out with the bathtub lady (at least not in that scene... he does in another when he's full on hallucinating he's in the hotel's golden days), he actually leaves the room in a hurry and convinces himself it didn't happen. Personally I like the scene at the end where Jack manages to take control of himself just long enough to tell Danny he loves him, even though it's kind of corny.

Kubrick's version really just needed a few scenes of Jack and Danny playing together, or working on learning to read together. The whole movie suffers because of it because IMO it makes Jack come off as unstable from the beginning and gives Danny more of a creepy kid vibe that I don't think he really has in the book.

I still like Kubrick's version, I just don't think it has the "heart" that the book has.


Great points. Thanks for the corrections, it's been a while since I read the book. And I agree with your last paragraph. I like the Kubrick version, but making Danny just slightly less weird and Jack just slightly better as a family man would have pulled it all together beautifully.
 
2013-06-26 02:28:46 AM
THE LANGOLIERS (ABRIDGED)
by STEPHEN KING
ADAPTED FOR TELEVISION BY  SEMIOTIX



INT. PASSENGER JET

BRIAN, an off-duty airline pilot, is sleeping in a seat on a nearly-empty plane. He awakes and looks confused.


BRIAN
What's going on? I just dozed off on this Los Angeles-to-Boston flight, and now it seems almost everyone has disappeared.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT
Thank God you're here! The pilots have disappeared too! You have to land the plane back at LAX and then we'll figure this mystery out.

BRIAN
I've got a better idea. Let's continue on this cross-country flight all the way to Boston before we land.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT
You're insane! We just took off! Why in God's name would we fly all the way to Boston? Something insanely farking weird is happening here and you need to land this plan immediately!

BRIAN
You're right, it would be stupid to fly to Boston. Let's actually fly a little further, to the airport in Bangor, Maine. Because reasons.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT
WHAT reasons?! You can't just say "because reasons!" You have to specify what your reasons are!



EXT. AIRPORT TARMAC NEAR PLANE

TITLE OVER:


Bangor International Airport


INT. AIRPLANE CABIN

The SURVIVORS are huddled around the cockpit door as Brian shuts down the airplane.

BRONSON PINCHOT
We're sorry we doubted you, Brian. Those were some good reasons.

BRIAN
Don't worry about it, Cousin Balki.


 
2013-06-26 07:48:39 AM

Fano: Furthermore, in the book (I don't remember how much they got into it in the movie) Torrance had been fired from teaching for beating the hell out of a student that had keyed his car, and was an alcoholic, so I don't know how "normal" he really was supposed to look. He clearly had anger control problems and a violent streak, so I don't quite buy King trying to say the actor should be the last guy you expect to snap


I read the book recently and during the opening scene with the interview, I had trouble picturing anybody BUT Jack Nicholson. Jack Torrence is fairly unhinged already, right there on page one.
 
2013-06-26 01:11:40 PM
The high school I teach at started a teacher/student "book club" last year. Teachers picked books that students could sign up to read, then we met at a certain date and discussed the book. Right around Halloween, I picked "The Shining", and I had about 10 kids read the book and meet me for a discussion. One of the first questions I asked them was how they viewed Jack Torrance... every one of them viewed him as a mostly sympathetic character who had flaws. Take that for what it's worth, but I thought it was interesting to hear their viewpoints.

I think Jack Nicholson was a great choice to play Jack Torrance, and I usually picture him when I read the book as well. I just wish he would've maybe pulled back the "unhinged" just a bit towards the beginning, and like I said before I wish Kubrick had included a few more scenes showing how close Jack and Danny were. The only scene I remember off the top of my head was Jack comforting Danny in his room, and that came off as (intentionally) creepy more than anything.
 
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