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(AZ Family)   This story will give you absolutely zero confidence in the reliability of bomb-sniffing dogs   (azfamily.com) divider line 25
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2013-06-25 08:23:58 AM  
I have little confidence in all of those sniffing dogs.
 
2013-06-25 09:31:22 AM  
The dogs can smell everything.  What they can't do is talk or understand why it matters if they alert.
 
2013-06-25 09:37:27 AM  

basemetal: I have little confidence in all of those sniffing dogs.


Yeah, I thought we've already had tons of studies and hard science that say sniffing dogs are totally unreliable?

From training methods to success rate, it's kind of ridiculous.
 
2013-06-25 09:38:38 AM  
Investigators determined that the cooler did not contain explosives

but did contain delicious human organs harvested for transplant
 
2013-06-25 09:39:12 AM  
I read somewhere that the dogs actually react to their handlers, not to what they smell.  If I, a white male in my mid 30s and a man, older of middle eastern decent, board a plane, but have yet to put our bags in to be loaded onto the plane, the bomb sniffing dog is more likely to wrongly alert the handler to the guy of middle eastern decent than me because the handler is going to already suspect the other guy over me.
 
2013-06-25 09:41:02 AM  
Did we have a case yet of evidence in a drug bust having to be thrown out because a dog detected legal weed? (That is, evidence of other illegal drugs that happened to be connected to the bust; obviously there's no case if it's just the weed)
 
2013-06-25 09:43:42 AM  
Because a false hit is just as bad as a miss, subby?  Dogs are still better than backscatter machines.
 
2013-06-25 09:44:34 AM  
Thank you so much, story, but I already have it. Did you get a gift reciept?
 
2013-06-25 09:46:00 AM  
There is no legal weed. Look at all the arrests being made in California.
 
2013-06-25 09:48:33 AM  
Bomb sniffing dogs make us all safer. Just like the TSA.
 
2013-06-25 09:59:31 AM  
I hope the cooler-dumper got on his flight OK.

And waved to everybody as he was taking off.
 
2013-06-25 10:03:57 AM  
I saw them with a cooler. What was in the cooler?
 
2013-06-25 10:06:34 AM  
One of the first responders told 3TV's Mike Watkiss that a bomb-sniffing dog "hit" on the garbage can

a dog attracted to the smell of a garbage can that probably has thrown out fast food in it?  UNPOSSIBLE.
 
2013-06-25 10:13:59 AM  
A single dog making a false positive should give people "zero confidence" in bomb sniffing dogs? That's some nice hyperbole there, Lou.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:35 AM  
Anybody else thinking of the WKRP bomb-threat episode?

JENNIFER (to bomb squad leader): "Don't you have dogs?"
BOMB SQUAD LEADER (winces): "We did."
 
2013-06-25 10:25:26 AM  
Kind like the time I was coming back from Mexico.  While visiting my wife's aunt, a semi feral pack of  neighborhood dogs took their time to "water" the passenger side rear tire of my mini van.  We had a nice long conversation with the boarder guards after the drug dogs found that wheel rather interesting.
 
2013-06-25 10:35:36 AM  
No, the article didn't do that at all.  A false positive is far better than a false negative.

And I know a couple soldiers who swear dogs saved their lives multiple times.
 
2013-06-25 10:35:38 AM  

a_real_human_being: A single dog making a false positive should give people "zero confidence" in bomb sniffing dogs? That's some nice hyperbole there, Lou.


Exactly. People who don't consider the difference between false positive and false negative to be a significant one are worthy of being mocked. But for a single dog? Then it's imperative that they be mocked.
 
2013-06-25 10:37:52 AM  
Ball-sniffing dogs are 100% reliable.
 
2013-06-25 10:49:42 AM  
That article is not why I have zero-confidence in whatever-sniffing dogs.
 
2013-06-25 10:56:45 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: basemetal: I have little confidence in all of those sniffing dogs.

Yeah, I thought we've already had tons of studies and hard science that say sniffing dogs are totally unreliable?

From training methods to success rate, it's kind of ridiculous.


well you need superior officers more intelligent than the TSA, so it shouldn't be all too surprising that the choice is dogs.
 
2013-06-25 01:23:24 PM  
Dogs have their limitations. Most handlers and techs that have worked with dogs are fairly familiar with what those are, but there is plenty of room for error either way.
 
2013-06-25 02:50:57 PM  
I'm more disturbed by what passes for journalism today rather than a false positive by a dog.

TFA: "The discovery of a potentially suspicious item in Terminal 4 at Sky Harbor International Airport sparked an evacuation of the ticket area on level 2 Monday. "

WHO discovered the item? WHY was it though to be suspicious in the first place?

/we use to be the brave type that put men on the moon, now we just piss ourselves in fear because of trash in a trash can
 
2013-06-25 04:42:41 PM  

DigitalCoffee: I'm more disturbed by what passes for journalism today rather than a false positive by a dog.

TFA: "The discovery of a potentially suspicious item in Terminal 4 at Sky Harbor International Airport sparked an evacuation of the ticket area on level 2 Monday. "

WHO discovered the item? WHY was it though to be suspicious in the first place?

/we use to be the brave type that put men on the moon, now we just piss ourselves in fear because of trash in a trash can


Need to know basis, move along civilian.  We tell you when and why to piss yourself and you obey, you don't have anything to hide do you?
 
2013-06-25 04:57:36 PM  

spelletrader: Dogs have their limitations. Most handlers and techs that have worked with dogs are fairly familiar with what those are, but there is plenty of room for error either way.


Have to say, that hasn't been my experience at all. All the handlers I've met wildly overestimate the abilities of both their dogs and themselves. There just isn't much that works against their natural confirmation biases. After all, in the field, they never learn about the false negatives; and, with the false positives, they have an elaborate set of convenient rationalizations at hand to dismiss those events with (e.g., "oh, sure we didn't find any drugs on him, but that just means the dog was alerting on the residue").
 
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