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2013-06-25 09:03:13 AM
biatch is stupid for not complying. I'll never understand people like this who think it's going to go down some other way where they get what they want. That being said, if it was really important for everyone to turn their phones off, they wouldn't leave it up to everyone to comply willingly. Out of sight, out of mind appears to be the acceptable standard.
 
2013-06-25 09:03:20 AM
If only there was some recess... some pouch, in which people could easily place things.  Where the things would be out of sight from other people, so those other people couldn't see if the things are on or off...

If only people could have these magical "hide the phone" pouches sewed onto a piece of their clothing, so it would be most convenient.


//biatch should have put it in her pocket.
 
2013-06-25 09:04:13 AM
Surname 'Bien-Aime' translates as "Well-Loved".   C'est ironique, n'est-ce pas?
 
2013-06-25 09:04:26 AM

WorkingInParadise: Enormous-Schwanstucker: goddamnit...I want to watch it but not another shiatty VeRtIcAl ViDeO....ugh, fecking morons.

so much THIS. I was given the job of posting photos online following a mission trip. The group leader took every picture vertical - even group photos and scenery.


Ok, I admit it I watched the video anyway. Did anyone notice the boy didn't cry or make much noise? I bet he's already used to his babby mama's outbursts. Sad.
 
2013-06-25 09:05:38 AM

Waldo Pepper: Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.


No, because there's no way the phone would keep a connection at cruising altitude.
 
2013-06-25 09:06:07 AM

gsiofa: I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.


No, because if that was the reason they'd require you to put down books and magazines as well, which they don't. There was a concern that electronics could interfere with the avionics and communications systems in airplanes, back in the day. Well when it comes to airplanes crashing, you err on the side of caution. However, technology advances, and not only are planes much better shielded, but we can measure all this stuff. So we can, and have, checked to see if there's any interference issues and not, there's not, not even if the whole plane is using electronic devices (RF doesn't work in an additive fashion as most think). It has been carefully studied and checked by the airlines, the FCC, and so on. However the FAA is being stubborn, mostly at this point because it is a "We don't want to admit we were wrong," thing since literally 10 years ago or more all the studies has been done on this.

It also really isn't that necessary to make people pay attention. First time fliers tend to be nervous and will listen intently. Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.
 
2013-06-25 09:06:19 AM

orbister: What sort of person thinks this will end with the police officer saying "OK, that's fine. Use your phone and have a nice flight, ma'am"?


I think people who do sh*t like this, subconsciously or not, want to go to jail.

I have several family members of the tire-burning, Oxy-popping variety who seem to live their entire lives with one goal in mind: to be arrested. These people will go out of their way, for no reason, to run afoul of law enforcement. If the shortest distance between their weed dealer and their house is a straight line down the highway, they'll take the sidewalk at 100 MPH with a fifth of 5 O'Clock Vodka between their legs.

It either stems from feelings of self-worthlessness (i.e., they believe they deserve to be in jail) or it's a self-fulfilling thing where they seek out trouble in order to justify their belief that they're somehow oppressed by the world around them.

Or it could be they're just incredibly, incredibly stupid.
 
2013-06-25 09:06:41 AM

efts


I'm not usually in favor of police brutality, but i'd make an exception in her case.


"The use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers unruly passenger has been approved."
 
2013-06-25 09:07:23 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: Self entitled loud mouth gutter trash thought that she could do whatever she wants and if they said anything, just throw a fit, and they would leave her alone. Think again. I wonder if she's this "ladies" sister.

Link

/Stupid is stupid. Can't fix stupid and loud mouthed, oh...maybe you can.


Why you arresting me
Your license is suspended

LOL Classic

Why do folks thing Cops are stupid, they know if you are protesting or pleading too much that there must be some underlying reason.  Also if your license is suspended make sure your car has no issues, you wear your seatbelt and you do the speed limit.

years ago we used to get the actual background and dmv report back on all applicants for work and then we would forward them to HR.  It was amazing how these young guys would have multiple convictions on their license for speeding and with each one was "failure to wear a seatbelt". dude really after the 2nd time put on your seatbelt, stop thinking you are smarter then the cops.
 
2013-06-25 09:08:03 AM

Waldo Pepper: sycraft: vgss: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Never go full retard seat reclining mode.

Counter-point: there was a second person who said "yes,enforcing this rule is worth my time and everyone else's.

People need to chill. While the cell phone rule is all kinds of stupid, the flight crew doesn't get to make the call on it. They are told "This is a rule you have to enforce," they really don't have a choice. Over all, you want it that way. The flight crew are not some extremely well educated experts on aircraft. You don't want them deciding what flight safety rules are and are not worth following. You don't want a "Just leave the handle alone Cletus, it isn't like it'll matter if the door comes open, I have no doors on my truck and it is fine!" situation. It is up to the FAA to change the rule (which they should, like 10 years ago) and until then it is reasonable for the flight crew to do as they are told and enforce it.

I feel no sympathy for people who think they are too good for the rules like this lady did. You get told to turn off your phone, like everyone else? Just do it. You are not that important. If you don't, ya they are going to kick you off. If you get belligerent, then yes you are getting arrested.

Also better to deal with an aggressive person on the ground then have to put up with it in flight.

I sort of hope they keep the no cell phone rule. Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.


I am more upset about a different cell phone rule.  The person recording the incident needs to answer for their improperly holding the phone.  That is an offense to all viewers regardless of where the recording took place.  Make the offenders carry the old Motorola flip phone of the 90's, that'll learn 'em.
 
2013-06-25 09:09:19 AM

RussianPooper: Waldo Pepper: Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.

No, because there's no way the phone would keep a connection at cruising altitude.


until they are allowed to use the phones then they will find a way to make it happen and annoy us all
 
2013-06-25 09:10:33 AM
So after fark spent 30 pages defending an overweight actor doing the same thing, fark hates this woman?


Consistency counts.
 
2013-06-25 09:14:07 AM
She was just keepin it real.
 
2013-06-25 09:17:13 AM

sycraft: gsiofa: I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

No, because if that was the reason they'd require you to put down books and magazines as well, which they don't. There was a concern that electronics could interfere with the avionics and communications systems in airplanes, back in the day. Well when it comes to airplanes crashing, you err on the side of caution. However, technology advances, and not only are planes much better shielded, but we can measure all this stuff. So we can, and have, checked to see if there's any interference issues and not, there's not, not even if the whole plane is using electronic devices (RF doesn't work in an additive fashion as most think). It has been carefully studied and checked by the airlines, the FCC, and so on. However the FAA is being stubborn, mostly at this point because it is a "We don't want to admit we were wrong," thing since literally 10 years ago or more all the studies has been done on this.

It also really isn't that necessary to make people pay attention. First time fliers tend to be nervous and will listen intently. Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.


I know of what you speak; in addition to the radio waves argument, I always thought what was really being asked of you was to pay attention. That, and they want you to stow away as many items as possible that could become projectiles in a crash. Ah, just found what I was looking for on WiseGeekThe ban dates originally from 1988 and was intended not only to prevent radio interference, but also to avoid the possibility of injuries caused by PEDs flying around or passengers' attention being distracted during safety demonstrations.
 
2013-06-25 09:20:14 AM
Big man with a suite of software. Turn that off, what are you?

images.starpulse.com

Tone-deaf, delusional, narcissistic, plagiarist.
 
2013-06-25 09:20:19 AM

Waldo Pepper: Why do folks thing Cops are stupid, they know if you are protesting or pleading too much that there must be some underlying reason.  Also if your license is suspended make sure your car has no issues, you wear your seatbelt and you do the speed limit.


Also funny how if you are nice and polite, they are often polite back. Not always, some people are just assholes and cops are people but it is amazing how far a little respect and politeness can go. I was driving into work one day (I work on campus) and a campus police unit started following me. Didn't think much of it since, well it is campus they go all over, but when I pulled into the alley to go to the dock at our building, it was pretty clear he was following me. He pulled up alongside and told me both my brake lights were out, though the rear window light was working. I told him I didn't know (which I didn't) and was a little surprised that it was both. He said sometimes a fuse can blow and do that. Asked me to cycle all the other lights to make sure they all worked, they did and told me to get the brake lights fixed ASAP since it is a safety issue. I thanked him for letting me know, and that was that. After work, went to Autozone and got them fixed.

Now I'll bet you a dollar if I'd been hostile, defensive, and belligerent at the very least he would have wrote me a ticket for it. He also might have decided to look around for other things that were wrong to try and give me additional tickets, or just to jerk me around and waste my time.

In my experience with people in general if you start off nice, polite, and respectful, 95% or more of them time they will act the same way to you. Funny how that works. Just like I hear horror stories of people having problems with fast food service. Yet I eat fast food very frequently, and I always seem to get very good service, no issues, etc. Maybe because I say please and thanks and treat the employees as my equals. They always seem to treat me with respect back.
 
2013-06-25 09:20:46 AM

OnlyM3: So after fark spent 30 pages defending an overweight actor doing the same thing, fark hates this woman?


Consistency counts.


If you are referring to Kevin Smith then you are either trolling or just plain stupid.
 
2013-06-25 09:21:26 AM

Waldo Pepper: Bit'O'Gristle: Self entitled loud mouth gutter trash thought that she could do whatever she wants and if they said anything, just throw a fit, and they would leave her alone. Think again. I wonder if she's this "ladies" sister.

Link

/Stupid is stupid. Can't fix stupid and loud mouthed, oh...maybe you can.

Why you arresting me
Your license is suspended

LOL Classic

Why do folks thing Cops are stupid, they know if you are protesting or pleading too much that there must be some underlying reason.  Also if your license is suspended make sure your car has no issues, you wear your seatbelt and you do the speed limit.

years ago we used to get the actual background and dmv report back on all applicants for work and then we would forward them to HR.  It was amazing how these young guys would have multiple convictions on their license for speeding and with each one was "failure to wear a seatbelt". dude really after the 2nd time put on your seatbelt, stop thinking you are smarter then the cops.


I know a guy who went over 20 years without a license over a DWI fatal accident and drove anyway.  He felt the state had no reason for withholding his driving privileges and he used friends and family to purchase his cars, insurance and registration.  He thought he was smarter than the cops as well, until he started getting busted.  Each time they took his car and he had to go through hassle of getting another one.  He got the point when the final time caught was on his commute route.  The officer called him by name when he got to the window.  Pretty impressive since each time caught was in different jurisdictions and he never met the officer before.  It's been several years and I heard he got his license now.  Of course he would've had much sooner if he wasn't caught without it.
 
2013-06-25 09:24:46 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Big man with a suite of software. Turn that off, what are you?

[images.starpulse.com image 300x300]

Tone-deaf, delusional, narcissistic, plagiarist.


Jesus, too many tabs open. I'll show myself out.
 
2013-06-25 09:27:45 AM
Welcome to the no-fly list, honey.  You're going to have to drive back and forth to Charlotte from now on.
 
2013-06-25 09:32:58 AM

Babwa Wawa: So her expulsion from the plane for refusal to turn off her cell phone was recorded on... someone else's cell phone?


They don't usually make you turn off your phones until after they push away from the gate.  They had to head back to the gate because this woman refused to turn off her phone.  Once back at the gate you can use your phone again.  Maybe to tell your family that you are going to miss your connecting flight and won't make it home tonight because the biatch in seat 14c refused to turn her phone off and delayed the flight an hour.  Or maybe to take a video of the the woman that is gonna make you spend the night on the floor at O'hare airport get her ass dragged off the plane by the cops.

There is one thing you can count on, If you force a plane return to the gate you are gonna be getting off the plane.  If I had been on the plane I would have been reminding the cops that they have Tazers.
 
2013-06-25 09:33:28 AM

sycraft: Waldo Pepper: I sort of hope they keep the no cell phone rule. Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.

I have heavy duty earbuds with custom inserts to block out all the goings on of the plane (like screaming babies). I highly suggest it :). Good earbuds with inserts made for your ears can give you near 40dB noise reduction. You then play some music over that, and you don't hear the background noise. Not the cheapest thing to get done, but worth it if you fly much.

In terms of phones the idea isn't to allow phone calls. That would actually still be disallowed by the FCC because transmitters that high up, moving that fast, will give fits to the cell network. Just that you don't have to turn off phones, Kindles, that sort of thing for take off. You can keep playing a game or reading or whatever. That's the part that is silly. There's no problem having electronics on (they've studied it quite extensively), they don't interfere with the systems at all. The rule is antiquated and needs to go away. But that doesn't mean phone calls would be allowed, that's a whole different set of issues.


Have you ever had your cell phone on at 30000 ft? There is no signal for them to receive. They cannot connect to the ground network. Cell towers are line of sight and they are not directed at the sky. There is nothing you can do to the cell network while flying. The belief was that the cell phones could interfere with the electronics on the plane during takeoff and landings because they can interact with the cell network then. This has largely been dis-proven but thank God they make people turn their phones off because some people would talk for as long as they had signal and that would be very annoying indeed.
 
2013-06-25 09:35:26 AM

HK-MP5-SD: Babwa Wawa: So her expulsion from the plane for refusal to turn off her cell phone was recorded on... someone else's cell phone?

They don't usually make you turn off your phones until after they push away from the gate.  They had to head back to the gate because this woman refused to turn off her phone.  Once back at the gate you can use your phone again.  Maybe to tell your family that you are going to miss your connecting flight and won't make it home tonight because the biatch in seat 14c refused to turn her phone off and delayed the flight an hour.  Or maybe to take a video of the the woman that is gonna make you spend the night on the floor at O'hare airport get her ass dragged off the plane by the cops.

There is one thing you can count on, If you force a plane return to the gate you are gonna be getting off the plane.  If I had been on the plane I would have been reminding the cops that they have Tazers.


Also, I am sure you can record video while in airplane mode.  You just can't send it.
 
2013-06-25 09:40:30 AM

gsiofa: Self-aggrandizing or self sabotage? Geezus, they gave her three full minutes (at least) to voluntarily get off the plane and avoid going to jail. If she had done that, at least she had a chance at the airline rerouting her to pacify the situation. Instead she grew increasingly belligerent, and in front of her young son, too. Poor guy.


That kid will most likely grow up being told and believing that the entire episode was blatant discrimination.
 
2013-06-25 09:43:48 AM

gsiofa: Pangit: eas81: Babwa Wawa: So her expulsion from the plane for refusal to turn off her cell phone was recorded on... someone else's cell phone?

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Doesn't mean you have to turn the thing off...Hey who knows, maybe she had a good game of words with friends going on.

Actually every flight I have ever been on says ALL electronics have to be completely powered off. Then when you hear the 2-3 chimes after take-off, its "safe" to use in flight mode.

/I leave mine in flight mode also.

I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.


Safety instructions... were going down. Put on your oxygen mask and hope the pilot isn't hung over.
 
2013-06-25 09:52:25 AM
Can't they just jam the cells on a plane?
 
2013-06-25 09:53:26 AM

sycraft: gsiofa: I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

No, because if that was the reason they'd require you to put down books and magazines as well, which they don't. There was a concern that electronics could interfere with the avionics and communications systems in airplanes, back in the day. Well when it comes to airplanes crashing, you err on the side of caution. However, technology advances, and not only are planes much better shielded, but we can measure all this stuff. So we can, and have, checked to see if there's any interference issues and not, there's not, not even if the whole plane is using electronic devices (RF doesn't work in an additive fashion as most think). It has been carefully studied and checked by the airlines, the FCC, and so on. However the FAA is being stubborn, mostly at this point because it is a "We don't want to admit we were wrong," thing since literally 10 years ago or more all the studies has been done on this.

It also really isn't that necessary to make people pay attention. First time fliers tend to be nervous and will listen intently. Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.


I only pay attention if the stewardess is hot.
 
2013-06-25 09:53:37 AM

Babwa Wawa: So her expulsion from the plane for refusal to turn off her cell phone was recorded on... someone else's cell phone?


Somebody else might have put their cellphone in 'flight' mode.

Our heroine didn't, in fact she was talking on hers the whole time and refused to hang up when asked.
 
2013-06-25 09:55:12 AM

sycraft: Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.


"And remember, the nearest exit may be behind you."

/usually have my nose buried in SkyMall by the time they hit the safety briefing.
 
2013-06-25 09:57:25 AM

Tom_Slick: Waldo Pepper: I sort of hope they keep the no cell phone rule. Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.

THIS, all I need on a flight to LA is 5 hours of someone talking on the phone.


Seconded. She's the perfect example of why we don't need cellphones on aircraft - five hours of that screeching voice talking about hair-weaves is enough to provoke acts of terrorism.
 
2013-06-25 09:58:53 AM
gsiofa:

I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

I've always thought that it was a precaution against the case where the cell phone's transmitter fails full-open -- transmitting a continuous signal at full power until it burns out or the battery runs dry -- rather than normal phone/wireless transmissions.  The only sure way to prevent that (if it's still a problem) is turning the phone off completely -- setting the phone to Airplane Mode wouldn't do anything, in that case.

Just take a farking break while the plane climbs to a recoverable altitude...
 
2013-06-25 10:02:26 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: "The use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers unruly passenger has been approved."


And this is why you're on my favorites list.

And thank you for not posting that quote followed by /obscure?
 
2013-06-25 10:03:50 AM
I don't think it's racist to point out that black people really, really like to talk on their cell phones. Is it?
 
2013-06-25 10:08:44 AM

sycraft: gsiofa: I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

No, because if that was the reason they'd require you to put down books and magazines as well, which they don't. There was a concern that electronics could interfere with the avionics and communications systems in airplanes, back in the day. Well when it comes to airplanes crashing, you err on the side of caution. However, technology advances, and not only are planes much better shielded, but we can measure all this stuff. So we can, and have, checked to see if there's any interference issues and not, there's not, not even if the whole plane is using electronic devices (RF doesn't work in an additive fashion as most think). It has been carefully studied and checked by the airlines, the FCC, and so on. However the FAA is being stubborn, mostly at this point because it is a "We don't want to admit we were wrong," thing since literally 10 years ago or more all the studies has been done on this.

It also really isn't that necessary to make people pay attention. First time fliers tend to be nervous and will listen intently. Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.


You do realize that not all airlines fly with shiny, brand new aircraft right?  Some carriers (yes, even in the US) are flying planes that were designed and built 20 years or more ago.

Basically I look at it this way.  It's their plane, not mine.  If they want me to turn off my electronics at any time I am on their plane (not mine) then I am obligated to do so.  Stupid rule?  Maybe. But until I can afford my own plane I'll turn my phone off and let's be honest here it really isn't that big of a deal to turn your phone off for a few minutes is it?  You're flying coach on a commercial jet, you're not as important as you think you are.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:28 AM
A couple of years ago I flew from Tel Aviv to Los Angeles. It was an El Al flight, nonstop, 15+ hours. Some passenger got uppity with the crew before takeoff, I was never clear about why, and they managed to calm her down. But during the flight she got cantankerous again and when we landed, damned if LAPD wasn't waiting to arrest her!

It put everyone in a really good mood. I think one passenger should be arrested at the end of any flight lasting longer than 10 hours.
 
2013-06-25 10:15:49 AM

sycraft: gsiofa: I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

No, because if that was the reason they'd require you to put down books and magazines as well, which they don't. There was a concern that electronics could interfere with the avionics and communications systems in airplanes, back in the day. Well when it comes to airplanes crashing, you err on the side of caution. However, technology advances, and not only are planes much better shielded, but we can measure all this stuff. So we can, and have, checked to see if there's any interference issues and not, there's not, not even if the whole plane is using electronic devices (RF doesn't work in an additive fashion as most think). It has been carefully studied and checked by the airlines, the FCC, and so on. However the FAA is being stubborn, mostly at this point because it is a "We don't want to admit we were wrong," thing since literally 10 years ago or more all the studies has been done on this.

It also really isn't that necessary to make people pay attention. First time fliers tend to be nervous and will listen intently. Those of us that have flown a lot can, literally, recite the whole thing from memory.


I don't think interference is so much the concern these days. Would you want a plane full of people with GPS-enabled devices?
 
2013-06-25 10:17:46 AM

sycraft: Waldo Pepper: Why do folks thing Cops are stupid, they know if you are protesting or pleading too much that there must be some underlying reason.  Also if your license is suspended make sure your car has no issues, you wear your seatbelt and you do the speed limit.

Also funny how if you are nice and polite, they are often polite back. Not always, some people are just assholes and cops are people but it is amazing how far a little respect and politeness can go. I was driving into work one day (I work on campus) and a campus police unit started following me. Didn't think much of it since, well it is campus they go all over, but when I pulled into the alley to go to the dock at our building, it was pretty clear he was following me. He pulled up alongside and told me both my brake lights were out, though the rear window light was working. I told him I didn't know (which I didn't) and was a little surprised that it was both. He said sometimes a fuse can blow and do that. Asked me to cycle all the other lights to make sure they all worked, they did and told me to get the brake lights fixed ASAP since it is a safety issue. I thanked him for letting me know, and that was that. After work, went to Autozone and got them fixed.

Now I'll bet you a dollar if I'd been hostile, defensive, and belligerent at the very least he would have wrote me a ticket for it. He also might have decided to look around for other things that were wrong to try and give me additional tickets, or just to jerk me around and waste my time.

In my experience with people in general if you start off nice, polite, and respectful, 95% or more of them time they will act the same way to you. Funny how that works. Just like I hear horror stories of people having problems with fast food service. Yet I eat fast food very frequently, and I always seem to get very good service, no issues, etc. Maybe because I say please and thanks and treat the employees as my equals. They always seem to treat me with respect bac ...


Exactly. I've recently moved to a small town in NC after living in the Wash Dc/metro area.  After a year of being down here I have yet to see anyone going off on any retail/fast food worker in any store and there is a good % of "ghetto/white trash" (hate those terms but needed to paint the picture) in the town. People are simply polite, kids say yes sir/ma'am no sir/ma'm and excuse me out of habit without their parents around and nobody honks their horn or flips anyone off.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:11 AM

dpaul007


And this is why you're on my favorites list.


Hey, I'm on a favorites list! That's pretty neat - gracias!

no snark
 
2013-06-25 10:24:16 AM

CJHardin: OnlyM3: So after fark spent 30 pages defending an overweight actor doing the same thing, fark hates this woman?


Consistency counts.

If you are referring to Kevin Smith then you are either trolling or just plain stupid.


I thought he/she was referring to Alec Baldwin.

My bad.
 
2013-06-25 10:31:45 AM
Damn, I usually don't side with the Authorities on much of anything, but I thought the way they handled this biatch was very professional. I mean, they were patient with her but stern and then finally hauled her dumbass off the plane. They should get a raise or something...
 
2013-06-25 10:36:15 AM

bigworld2000: I don't think it's racist to point out that black people really, really like to talk on their cell phones. Is it?


Especially while wearing a bluetooth and standing in line.
 
2013-06-25 10:47:39 AM

sycraft: Waldo Pepper: Why do folks thing Cops are stupid, they know if you are protesting or pleading too much that there must be some underlying reason.  Also if your license is suspended make sure your car has no issues, you wear your seatbelt and you do the speed limit.

Also funny how if you are nice and polite, they are often polite back. Not always, some people are just assholes and cops are people but it is amazing how far a little respect and politeness can go. I was driving into work one day (I work on campus) and a campus police unit started following me. Didn't think much of it since, well it is campus they go all over, but when I pulled into the alley to go to the dock at our building, it was pretty clear he was following me. He pulled up alongside and told me both my brake lights were out, though the rear window light was working. I told him I didn't know (which I didn't) and was a little surprised that it was both. He said sometimes a fuse can blow and do that. Asked me to cycle all the other lights to make sure they all worked, they did and told me to get the brake lights fixed ASAP since it is a safety issue. I thanked him for letting me know, and that was that. After work, went to Autozone and got them fixed.

Now I'll bet you a dollar if I'd been hostile, defensive, and belligerent at the very least he would have wrote me a ticket for it. He also might have decided to look around for other things that were wrong to try and give me additional tickets, or just to jerk me around and waste my time.

In my experience with people in general if you start off nice, polite, and respectful, 95% or more of them time they will act the same way to you. Funny how that works. Just like I hear horror stories of people having problems with fast food service. Yet I eat fast food very frequently, and I always seem to get very good service, no issues, etc. Maybe because I say please and thanks and treat the employees as my equals. They always seem to treat me with respect bac ...


You sound white.
 
2013-06-25 11:21:25 AM

sycraft: I feel no sympathy for people who think they are too good for the rules like this lady did. You get told to turn off your phone, like everyone else? Just do it. You are not that important. If you don't, ya they are going to kick you off. If you get belligerent, then yes you are getting arrested.

Also better to deal with an aggressive person on the ground then have to put up with it in flight.


Or just do what everbody else does, and pretend to turn your phone off and promptly begin using it again when the stewardess has walked away.

The fact that they chose to make a scene rather than do what I suggested implies the issue at hand was not, in fact, a cell phone, but rather somebody who wanted to make a scene.  So.. she got exactly what she wanted.
 
2013-06-25 11:28:30 AM
Where's Al Sharpton when we need him?

Girlfriend gonna get PAID.  Wait for it.
 
2013-06-25 11:29:29 AM

Nogale: I don't think interference is so much the concern these days. Would you want a plane full of people with GPS-enabled devices?


Why would you care? GPS receivers are receivers; they don't transmit. Pretty much their only radio emissions are caused by the 1552.82 MHz (+- 2 MHz) local oscillator. Nothing on the plane uses this frequency except for navigation's own GPS receiver's local oscillator which is thousands of times more powerful (because it is hard-wired into the mixer.)

It is great fun to use a GPS in-flight. I can spend an entire cross country trip identifying every little podunk and lake. But then again, I am easily amused.
 
2013-06-25 11:32:11 AM

Waldo Pepper: sycraft: vgss: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Never go full retard seat reclining mode.

Counter-point: there was a second person who said "yes,enforcing this rule is worth my time and everyone else's.

People need to chill. While the cell phone rule is all kinds of stupid, the flight crew doesn't get to make the call on it. They are told "This is a rule you have to enforce," they really don't have a choice. Over all, you want it that way. The flight crew are not some extremely well educated experts on aircraft. You don't want them deciding what flight safety rules are and are not worth following. You don't want a "Just leave the handle alone Cletus, it isn't like it'll matter if the door comes open, I have no doors on my truck and it is fine!" situation. It is up to the FAA to change the rule (which they should, like 10 years ago) and until then it is reasonable for the flight crew to do as they are told and enforce it.

I feel no sympathy for people who think they are too good for the rules like this lady did. You get told to turn off your phone, like everyone else? Just do it. You are not that important. If you don't, ya they are going to kick you off. If you get belligerent, then yes you are getting arrested.

Also better to deal with an aggressive person on the ground then have to put up with it in flight.

I sort of hope they keep the no cell phone rule. Can you imagine having that lady sitting next to you talking on her cell phone the entire flight.


Has anyone else noticed that the fine, upstanding citizen who recorded the footage also did not turn off their cell phone?
 
2013-06-25 11:32:32 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: bigworld2000: I don't think it's racist to point out that black people really, really like to talk on their cell phones. Is it?

Especially while wearing a bluetooth and standing in line.


Take a stroll down North Avenue in Baltimore and I'll think you'll find it's much easier to count the number of people not on a celphone than those that are on one.
 
2013-06-25 11:42:18 AM
Planes should have time out rooms.
 
2013-06-25 11:43:03 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Psycoholic_Slag: bigworld2000: I don't think it's racist to point out that black people really, really like to talk on their cell phones. Is it?

Especially while wearing a bluetooth and standing in line.

Take a stroll down North Avenue in Baltimore and I'll think you'll find it's much easier to count the number of people not on a celphone than those that are on one.


How about in a movie theater?

/though, haven't been to one since "Inception".
 
2013-06-25 11:45:00 AM

ObeliskToucher: gsiofa:

I always thought they tell you to turn everything off to try and force you to pay attention to the safety announcement, and to have a better chance at successfully communicating instructions to passengers if the plane is in trouble.

I've always thought that it was a precaution against the case where the cell phone's transmitter fails full-open -- transmitting a continuous signal at full power until it burns out or the battery runs dry -- rather than normal phone/wireless transmissions.  The only sure way to prevent that (if it's still a problem) is turning the phone off completely -- setting the phone to Airplane Mode wouldn't do anything, in that case.

Just take a farking break while the plane climbs to a recoverable altitude...


If you were able to monitor your cellphone's signal and power usage, you would notice that it cranks up the output when it loses contact with cell service and tries to regain it. A few years back I had an older cellphone that I forgot to turn off, sitting in my carryon bag, and the battery was completely discharged at the end of a 3-hour flight. The higher output has the potential to cause electronic interference, especially if you multiply it by several phones.

Turning the phone off seems like a great idea in more ways than one - no constant dinging as new company emails arrive. A few hours to chill out while flying works for me.
 
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