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2013-06-25 12:54:35 AM
The fire was so all-consuming that it took the Los Angeles County coroner's office two days to identify Hastings' body, but Clarke said a cyber attack on the vehicle would have been nearly impossible to trace "even if the dozen or so computers on board hadn't melted."

Ah, the conspiracy theory that is impossible to disprove (or to prove).
 
2013-06-25 01:08:42 AM
*Whistling with hands in pocket walking by*
 
2013-06-25 01:14:09 AM
Here's what I don't get. Why tjis guy? There are always journalists bringing down government - think daniel ellsberg and the pentagon papers - so why would the government suddenly decide this guy is worth offing?
 
2013-06-25 01:21:34 AM
Well I hope it wasn't hacked with a GUI interface written in Visual Basic. That's the worst.
 
2013-06-25 01:27:39 AM

RexTalionis: Ah, the conspiracy theory that is impossible to disprove (or to prove).


What is interesting about Richard Clarke saying this is he was the counter-terror czar. Somebody WANTS people to know what can be done and wants them scared. The Snowden thing is the same - they WANT people paranoid about the surveillance state. The AP says their usual sources are all clamming up, suddenly. That's the objective.
 
2013-06-25 01:56:23 AM
I KNEW OBAMA WAS BORN ON MARS!
 
2013-06-25 07:05:57 AM
Given he was working on a story about drone surveillance in the US, could it be he was taken out by a drone attack?

Yea, I saw that Castle episode.
 
2013-06-25 07:06:27 AM
 
2013-06-25 07:47:17 AM
This should be an interesting thread.
 
2013-06-25 07:54:06 AM
Well that shiat makes me really want a mercedes
 
2013-06-25 08:07:01 AM
or maybe it was just a Toyota?
 
2013-06-25 08:08:58 AM
I'm not saying it was aliens....
 
2013-06-25 08:17:23 AM
If I am Edward Snowden, I'm not getting in any car made after 1998.
 
2013-06-25 08:17:27 AM
Boom goes the dynamite.
 
2013-06-25 08:18:17 AM
I'm sure the "experts" claiming this is possible could give us a demonstration, right?
 
2013-06-25 08:21:17 AM
Don't buy a car with onstar or a built in phone. Any hacks then need to be applied physically.
 
2013-06-25 08:23:50 AM

GladGirl: Here's what I don't get. Why tjis guy?


Eh - maybe this helps explain.
 
2013-06-25 08:24:39 AM
Can we find out what the dirt is he was about to uncover?  Did his labtop melt in the crash too?  If we find out what his story was going to be, then we can find the suspect and the motive.
 
2013-06-25 08:26:45 AM
The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

resources3.news.com.au

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.
 
2013-06-25 08:29:22 AM
Why does anyone still listen this crackpot?
 
2013-06-25 08:35:18 AM
I'd say chances are 50-50, car was either hacked or not
 
2013-06-25 08:37:50 AM
Remember, the government is perfectly willing to kill a journalist before he broke a story, but they WEREN'T willing to off Snowden before he leaked classified intel then left the country.
 
2013-06-25 08:41:56 AM

LewDux: I'd say chances are 50-50, car was either hacked or not


Your statement is a tautology.

Either the car was hacked or it wasn't. There's a 1 in 2 chance it was or wasn't hacked. So of course it's 50-50.
 
2013-06-25 08:43:58 AM

LewDux: I'd say chances are 50-50, car was either hacked or not


You took a stats course, eh?
Did it help?
 
2013-06-25 08:44:30 AM

RexTalionis: Ah, the conspiracy theory that is impossible to disprove (or to prove).


Because Mercedes has nothing to lose, and is in practically every country, and has intimate love for the Stasi and its imitators.

Even if the C Class is an inexpensive starter car, there's probably a small army of Mercedes programmers looking at every inch code for vulnerabilities along with Moussad and most other security agencies -- some to shore up holes, other to expoit. After all, it's just a cell phone on wheels.
 
2013-06-25 08:45:31 AM
This is why you should only drive cars that are low tech. Preferably cars from the 60's and 70's. Also I saw a report on CBS News that car thieves are now walking around with a little black box they hold outside your car door and it unlocks the passenger door to let them steal whatever is in your car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/07/be-aware-car-thieves-are- us ing-some-kind-of-universal-car-remote-and-cops-are-stumped/
 
2013-06-25 08:45:57 AM
So we need the very best resources of the government to prove the government hacked his car.
 
2013-06-25 08:50:34 AM

youngfogey: So we need the very best resources of the government to prove the government hacked his car.


Top men.
 
2013-06-25 08:51:30 AM

GladGirl: Here's what I don't get. Why tjis guy? There are always journalists bringing down government - think daniel ellsberg and the pentagon papers - so why would the government suddenly decide this guy is worth offing?


Why this guy?  It's THIS government that is different.
 
2013-06-25 08:51:55 AM
Hmm, Mercedes C250... Crashed into a tree... 4:30am.

Anyone gonna guess what the major factor was? If it was a GM with Onstar I could give you a maybe, or if it was one the models with the self parallel parking systems we could toss some blame. But it's a freakin' C250, I doubt it has bluetooth connectivity for the stereo, and there's a limited access with the TPMS.
 
2013-06-25 08:53:23 AM

Walker: This is why you should only drive cars that are low tech. Preferably cars from the 60's and 70's. Also I saw a report on CBS News that car thieves are now walking around with a little black box they hold outside your car door and it unlocks the passenger door to let them steal whatever is in your car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/07/be-aware-car-thieves-are- us ing-some-kind-of-universal-car-remote-and-cops-are-stumped/


I own a universal key for those model years.

blog.spectrastars.com
 
2013-06-25 08:56:12 AM
This article contains a small amount of truth and a great deal of BS.
 
2013-06-25 08:56:45 AM

LordJiro: Remember, the government is perfectly willing to kill a journalist before he broke a story, but they WEREN'T willing to off Snowden before he leaked classified intel then left the country.


You can't just say "the government." There are thousands of entities. Think about this - what do the Snowden story and this Hastings story have in common? They make NSA look like the bad guy. Both could be a setup designed to discredit and weaken that agency by another agency of government domestic or foreign.
 
2013-06-25 08:57:21 AM

Tom_Slick: Walker: This is why you should only drive cars that are low tech. Preferably cars from the 60's and 70's. Also I saw a report on CBS News that car thieves are now walking around with a little black box they hold outside your car door and it unlocks the passenger door to let them steal whatever is in your car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/07/be-aware-car-thieves-are- us ing-some-kind-of-universal-car-remote-and-cops-are-stumped/

I own a universal key for those model years.

[blog.spectrastars.com image 300x375]


and it even does abortions

get yours now call 1 800 555 FARK
 
2013-06-25 09:08:51 AM
Also worth noting is he sent this email the day before his death:

"Subject: FBI Investigation, re: NSA

Hey (redacted names) -- the Feds are interviewing my "close friends and associates." Perhaps if the authorities arrive "BuzzFeed GQ," er HQ, may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.

Also: I'm onto a big story, and need to go off the rada[r] for a bit.

All the best, and hope to see you all soon.

Michael"

This guy wasn't some 18 year old motor-head racer trying to impress chicks, so why would he be driving 100+ mph at 4AM? Doesn't make sense to me. Combine that with the above, plus the government crackdown on whistle-blowers, plus the revelation that the NSA snoops through all digital communications... is it really that crazy to think this guy was offed?
 
2013-06-25 09:09:09 AM
Mr. Clark isn't known for his sense of humor or for spinning tall tales. I'm interested in his motives for speaking out on this subject.
 
2013-06-25 09:14:56 AM

Tom_Slick: Walker: This is why you should only drive cars that are low tech. Preferably cars from the 60's and 70's. Also I saw a report on CBS News that car thieves are now walking around with a little black box they hold outside your car door and it unlocks the passenger door to let them steal whatever is in your car.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/07/be-aware-car-thieves-are- us ing-some-kind-of-universal-car-remote-and-cops-are-stumped/

I own a universal key for those model years.

[blog.spectrastars.com image 300x375]


Also comes in handy if you need an abortion in Texas.
 
2013-06-25 09:31:42 AM

Cataholic: Why does anyone still listen this crackpot?


Crackpot? Why?
 
2013-06-25 09:36:58 AM
A simpler explanation is that a paranoid journalist thought he was being tailed, tried to slip the tail by speeding away, lost control of his vehicle, and then crashed into a tree.
 
2013-06-25 09:37:45 AM

Government Fromage: I'm sure the "experts" claiming this is possible could give us a demonstration, right?


Can't do links from this tablet, so you'll have to paste this:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/h o w-vulnerable-is-your-car-to-cyber-attack
 
2013-06-25 09:41:35 AM
i73.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-25 09:47:59 AM

soup: This guy wasn't some 18 year old motor-head racer trying to impress chicks, so why would he be driving 100+ mph at 4AM?


Because he'd had a drink or three in order to calm his nerves over his big story? Because thinking about his big story was keeping him awake into the early hours, leading to fatigue?

Is it possible that the car was hacked? Sure. This (pdf) contains details of how researchers were able to impact vital systems, including cars' brakes*. Is it the likeliest explanation for a 4am car wreck? Not really.

*although, given that they require access to the car, a line wrench will do the job in a fraction of the time and with a vastly higher likelihood of success
 
2013-06-25 09:48:48 AM
The drunk coke head couldn't have possibly wrecked his own car. It must be a government conspiracy.

Same thing with that Brightfart guy. No way booze and coke killed him. It was Obama's secret heart attack technology.
 
2013-06-25 10:34:57 AM
I'm not one to follow conspiracy theories usually, but this one is a bit fishy.

Also, this.
 
2013-06-25 10:37:31 AM
He could have been writing an expose on the tendancy of Mercedes to explode when they come in contact with wood fibers
He could have been the target of an Albanian sleeper cell
He could have had his brain controlled by space zombies

This fun! Let's explain some more stuff!
 
2013-06-25 10:37:45 AM

RexTalionis: The fire was so all-consuming that it took the Los Angeles County coroner's office two days to identify Hastings' body, but Clarke said a cyber attack on the vehicle would have been nearly impossible to trace "even if the dozen or so computers on board hadn't melted."

Ah, the conspiracy theory that is impossible to disprove (or to prove).


THE COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE IS PROOF THE CONSPIRACY IS WORKING!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
2013-06-25 10:46:40 AM

neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.


I think that might be for his body.
 
2013-06-25 10:47:47 AM

LordJiro: Remember, the government is perfectly willing to kill a journalist before he broke a story, but they WEREN'T willing to off Snowden before he leaked classified intel then left the country.


They weren't willing to kill a guy they didn't know was planning to do something before he did it? Shocking. Really proves your point.
 
2013-06-25 10:48:11 AM
when people said the NSA was spying on your phone calls and web activity, no one believed that then either.
 
2013-06-25 10:53:52 AM

jjorsett: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/h o w-vulnerable-is-your-car-to-cyber-attack


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/business/10hack.html?_r=2&;

This one even mentions the Mercedes Benz MBrace System.

In their remote experiment, the researchers were able to undermine the security protecting the cellular phone in the vehicle they bought and then insert malicious software. This allowed them to send commands to the car's electronic control unit - the nerve center of a vehicle's electronics system - which in turn made it possible to override various vehicle controls.

Electronic ignition, throttle by wire, brake by wire, electronic parking brake and electronically controlled transmission=no means of stopping or slowing the vehicle in the event the ECU were to override your control.
 
2013-06-25 10:58:11 AM

soup: Also worth noting is he sent this email the day before his death:

"Subject: FBI Investigation, re: NSA

Hey (redacted names) -- the Feds are interviewing my "close friends and associates." Perhaps if the authorities arrive "BuzzFeed GQ," er HQ, may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.

Also: I'm onto a big story, and need to go off the rada[r] for a bit.

All the best, and hope to see you all soon.

Michael"

This guy wasn't some 18 year old motor-head racer trying to impress chicks, so why would he be driving 100+ mph at 4AM? Doesn't make sense to me. Combine that with the above, plus the government crackdown on whistle-blowers, plus the revelation that the NSA snoops through all digital communications... is it really that crazy to think this guy was offed?


Yes, it is crazy. Next?
 
2013-06-25 11:01:41 AM

Heron: neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.

I think that might be for his body.


His body is under the hood!?!
 
2013-06-25 11:04:36 AM

jjorsett: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/h o w-vulnerable-is-your-car-to-cyber-attack


From that article, it seems like a receiver of some kind would have had to be installed in his vehicle for this to work. If that's the case, then it's remains ought to be there in the wreckage. The article also mentions On Star having the capacity to do this, so if he had that service, and if the gov has some sort of deal with OnStar allowing them to use its override, or establishing a gov back-door in the system, that could also have been used and there might be a "paper trail" somewhere for it.

To me the first question that needs to be considered is would it be unusual for Hastings to be driving at high-speeds at that time of night? One of the big reasons I'm doubtful about this being an assassination is that the people who knew him haven't been reacting as if behavior like this was peculiar for him.
 
2013-06-25 11:06:29 AM

neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.

I think that might be for his body.

His body is under the hood!?!


I saw a pic yesterday where it was hanging out of the front window over the hood burnt to a crisp, and that sheet would be covering it if the body hadn't been moved yet.
 
2013-06-25 11:07:18 AM

Wendy's Chili: The drunk coke head couldn't have possibly wrecked his own car. It must be a government conspiracy.

Same thing with that Brightfart guy. No way booze and coke killed him. It was Obama's secret heart attack technology.


Somebody was saying this guy was a drunk and coke-head in another thread and I was wondering where this came from?  Was this guy in fact a drunk coke-head?  Any proof?
That is some pretty relevant information given the circumstances and I would like to know if that is indeed true.  Sources?

Also, how often do cars explode into an inferno after a collision with a tree?  I know in the movies cars explode by hitting a pothole, but in reality I thought this was actually rather rare...

IF this were a hit, it was made intentionally suspicious to warn others... otherwise there are probably more subtle ways to off a person.
 
2013-06-25 11:09:08 AM

Heron: neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.

I think that might be for his body.

His body is under the hood!?!

I saw a pic yesterday where it was hanging out of the front window over the hood burnt to a crisp, and that sheet would be covering it if the body hadn't been moved yet.


On top of the hood then, why didn't you just say so?
 
2013-06-25 11:10:43 AM

neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.

I think that might be for his body.

His body is under the hood!?!

I saw a pic yesterday where it was hanging out of the front window over the hood burnt to a crisp, and that sheet would be covering it if the body hadn't been moved yet.

On top of the hood then, why didn't you just say so?


I just did :p
 
2013-06-25 11:13:17 AM

Dman33: Wendy's Chili: The drunk coke head couldn't have possibly wrecked his own car. It must be a government conspiracy.

Same thing with that Brightfart guy. No way booze and coke killed him. It was Obama's secret heart attack technology.

Somebody was saying this guy was a drunk and coke-head in another thread and I was wondering where this came from?  Was this guy in fact a drunk coke-head?  Any proof?
That is some pretty relevant information given the circumstances and I would like to know if that is indeed true.  Sources?

Also, how often do cars explode into an inferno after a collision with a tree?  I know in the movies cars explode by hitting a pothole, but in reality I thought this was actually rather rare...

IF this were a hit, it was made intentionally suspicious to warn others... otherwise there are probably more subtle ways to off a person.


Why do so many auto-think "government conspiracy" when there are activists billionaires that can pay to make it happen.
 
2013-06-25 11:15:29 AM

Heron: neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: Heron: neversubmit: The car is a goner they even put a white sheet over it.

[resources3.news.com.au image 650x366]

Alternately, the rich are better even their cars get a white sheet.

I think that might be for his body.

His body is under the hood!?!

I saw a pic yesterday where it was hanging out of the front window over the hood burnt to a crisp, and that sheet would be covering it if the body hadn't been moved yet.

On top of the hood then, why didn't you just say so?

I just did :p


goofy_face.jpg
 
2013-06-25 11:57:06 AM
That's why I drive a '76 Ford Pinto. That way, I know I'm safe.
 
2013-06-25 12:05:14 PM

Heron: jjorsett: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/h o w-vulnerable-is-your-car-to-cyber-attack

From that article, it seems like a receiver of some kind would have had to be installed in his vehicle for this to work. If that's the case, then it's remains ought to be there in the wreckage. The article also mentions On Star having the capacity to do this, so if he had that service, and if the gov has some sort of deal with OnStar allowing them to use its override, or establishing a gov back-door in the system, that could also have been used and there might be a "paper trail" somewhere for it.

To me the first question that needs to be considered is would it be unusual for Hastings to be driving at high-speeds at that time of night? One of the big reasons I'm doubtful about this being an assassination is that the people who knew him haven't been reacting as if behavior like this was peculiar for him.


That article is about tests from years ago, and I think of it as an indicator of what can be done once control is obtained. The next task is to seize that control via undetectable means, and given that cars are now a complex array of sensors, processors, and access points, I'd be surprised if obtaining that control is impossible. You might have to have physical access for a short time to reconfigure or introduce malware, but I'm betting even that's not necessary these days.
 
2013-06-25 12:19:18 PM

jjorsett: The next task is to seize that control via undetectable means,



MBrace is cellular, and it has been compromised before.  Since the ECU was destroyed from the fire, it is an undetectable means.
 
2013-06-25 12:43:09 PM
 
2013-06-25 01:29:07 PM
Why this guy? They had to test it on someone? Amiright?
 
2013-06-25 03:38:15 PM

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2013-06-25 03:43:20 PM

Dman33: Wendy's Chili: The drunk coke head couldn't have possibly wrecked his own car. It must be a government conspiracy.

Same thing with that Brightfart guy. No way booze and coke killed him. It was Obama's secret heart attack technology.

Somebody was saying this guy was a drunk and coke-head in another thread and I was wondering where this came from? Was this guy in fact a drunk coke-head? Any proof?


I can only speculate on his drug of choice, but I saw him on MSNBC and Current a week or so ago, and he was a hot mess in both appearances. When I first heard he died, I would have bet my life savings it was from an OD.
 
2013-06-25 04:24:05 PM
And as the police get issued their EMP devices, either free hand or grill mounted, they can kill a car and hopefully the car wasn't on a curve on a mountain road along the edge of a cliff.

/Over-riding the car sure would make speeding tickets easy to create.......... Errr, to slow down cars in safety enforcement zones.
 
2013-06-25 04:57:53 PM

Triumph: RexTalionis: Ah, the conspiracy theory that is impossible to disprove (or to prove).

What is interesting about Richard Clarke saying this is he was the counter-terror czar. Somebody WANTS people to know what can be done and wants them scared. The Snowden thing is the same - they WANT people paranoid about the surveillance state. The AP says their usual sources are all clamming up, suddenly. That's the objective.


"Kill one, instruct a hundred."   -- Marion Puzo ("Vito Corleone")
 
2013-06-25 04:58:55 PM
"Mario", I meant.
 
2013-06-25 05:08:45 PM

soup: Also worth noting is he sent this email the day before his death:

"Subject: FBI Investigation, re: NSA

Hey (redacted names) -- the Feds are interviewing my "close friends and associates." Perhaps if the authorities arrive "BuzzFeed GQ," er HQ, may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.

Also: I'm onto a big story, and need to go off the rada[r] for a bit.

All the best, and hope to see you all soon.

Michael"

This guy wasn't some 18 year old motor-head racer trying to impress chicks, so why would he be driving 100+ mph at 4AM? Doesn't make sense to me. Combine that with the above, plus the government crackdown on whistle-blowers, plus the revelation that the NSA snoops through all digital communications... is it really that crazy to think this guy was offed?


The US government under Nixon had no problem fast-track selling military hardware to the Pakis when they were genociding a million Bangladeshis, or turning a blind eye when Chilean agents fatally carbombed Chilean dissidents in Washington DC.  Then there's the Vietnam and Iraq wars, black ops sites...

A lot of Farkers are in denial about how their government can be the bad guy, especially when a thread like this comes up.  But Pol Pot wasn't the only pol with a "to destroy you is no loss" attitude.
 
2013-06-26 12:38:18 AM
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