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2013-06-24 06:56:59 PM  
He's a legend in his own mind.
 
2013-06-24 06:57:43 PM  
I approve of this message.
 
2013-06-24 07:04:43 PM  
He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music.

In that sense, he is undeniably correct.
 
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2013-06-24 07:11:33 PM  

gopher321: He's a legend in his own mind.


Dumbass Kayne West is dead...
No, no no no, he's outside, bein' a dick....

He'll jump up on awards stage
Be an ass throughtout the day
Talk about Bush the exact same way...
Dumbass Kayne West... Dumbass Kayne West...

(oh.. not Legend of a Mind, huh?)
 
2013-06-24 07:15:34 PM  
I take it he's a singer. Seen him a few times in the news.

I'll give him this, he sure knows how to troll people.
 
2013-06-24 07:18:30 PM  

gilgigamesh: He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music.

In that sense, he is undeniably correct.


He does get a lot of attention, but I'm not sure if I can tell why.  I'll admit I'm not the biggest rap fan (I do like some, Wyclef, Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, some Snoop, Dr. Dre and Puff Daddy stuff) but I can't really tell what's particularly special or amazing about anything Kanye has done.  Am I missing something?  Is there a particular track that would be revelatory to me?
 
2013-06-24 07:25:37 PM  
I don't think of him as a musician at all, having not heard any of his music.  I can't comment on if he is pushing musical boundaries, but he definitely pushes buttons.

I think he gets people talking about him far more than they talk about his music.

If it was his intention for that talk to include mainly the words "asshole, jackass, dickhead, prick, douchebag, farkhead and cocksucker" then he is getting the notoriety he wants.
 
2013-06-24 07:30:21 PM  
So, who is to blame for rappers thinking they are rock stars? MTV or the Rock and Roll HOF?
 
2013-06-24 07:31:03 PM  
I have a hard time thinking of him as a rock star or a musician for that matter .Without pitch correction he doesn't even qualify as a vocalist .I'm assuming he has some skills as a producer so he has that going for him.
But overall I'd say the most lasting impression he leaves me  is as a world class twat
 
2013-06-24 07:39:13 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I don't think of him as a musician at all, having not heard any of his music.  I can't comment on if he is pushing musical boundaries, but he definitely pushes buttons.

I think he gets people talking about him far more than they talk about his music.

If it was his intention for that talk to include mainly the words "asshole, jackass, dickhead, prick, douchebag, farkhead and cocksucker" then he is getting the notoriety he wants.


Then you aren't looking.

Which is fine. You don't have to be a fan, or even pay attention to his music. Honestly, I don't much. Its a free country after all.

But don't pretend no one else is. It just makes it look like you're the one living under a rock.

His new album is being described, generally, as ground breaking. That it is revitalizing hip hop, which has rightly long been considered a flagging music genre creatively speaking. From what I have heard of it, that is generally true. I've never heard anything like it. Its very industrial, which is something new in hip hop.
 
2013-06-24 07:49:20 PM  

Godamnlimey: I have a hard time thinking of him as a rock star or a musician for that matter .Without pitch correction he doesn't even qualify as a vocalist .I'm assuming he has some skills as a producer so he has that going for him.
But overall I'd say the most lasting impression he leaves me  is as a world class twat


World-class twats might take umbrage with that comparison.
 
2013-06-24 07:58:35 PM  

gilgigamesh: Which is fine. You don't have to be a fan, or even pay attention to his music. Honestly, I don't much. Its a free country after all.

But don't pretend no one else is. It just makes it look like you're the one living under a rock.


So you disagree with my premise?  You think most people are talking about this guy because of his music and not because of his mouth, his outbursts, his farking Kim Kardashian, his comments about George W Bush not caring about black people, his Taylor Swift interruption etc?

Really?

See, I don't care if you are a fan, and if you do pay attention to the music.

But don't pretend like everyone else is also.  Most people know about Kanye West because of the asshole things he does, not because of his records.
 
2013-06-24 08:46:57 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: gilgigamesh: Which is fine. You don't have to be a fan, or even pay attention to his music. Honestly, I don't much. Its a free country after all.

But don't pretend no one else is. It just makes it look like you're the one living under a rock.

So you disagree with my premise?  You think most people are talking about this guy because of his music and not because of his mouth, his outbursts, his farking Kim Kardashian, his comments about George W Bush not caring about black people, his Taylor Swift interruption etc?

Really?

See, I don't care if you are a fan, and if you do pay attention to the music.

But don't pretend like everyone else is also.  Most people know about Kanye West because of the asshole things he does, not because of his records.


Not necessarily. But the thread is about whether he is a rock star.

Most people back in the day knew Ozzy for biting the head off a bat. Does that make him any less a rock star?
 
2013-06-24 09:01:15 PM  

gilgigamesh: Most people back in the day knew Ozzy for biting the head off a bat. Does that make him any less a rock star?


Ozzy actually played rock music, for one.

And he was known for Black Sabbath for over ten years before the dove incident.

Finally, if someone were to say they had never heard any of Ozzy's music, and they only knew him from the dove thing, then I would accept that.

I would not accept that most people only knew Ozzy for that.  And a lot of that is today's media.  I wouldn't know anything about Kanye if it wasn't for the internet.  If he had been back in Ozzy's heyday, before the internet, then he would probably only be known for his records.

But I think it is silly to say that he is mostly known for his music, when most people (I would wager 7 out of 10 average Americans) couldn't name a single song of his.)

Not that it matters, really.  He is an asshole, and that is pretty undeniable, even if you like hie records.
 
2013-06-24 09:09:44 PM  
That would be Maynard James Keenan.
 
2013-06-24 09:14:33 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: gilgigamesh: Most people back in the day knew Ozzy for biting the head off a bat. Does that make him any less a rock star?

Ozzy actually played rock music, for one.

And he was known for Black Sabbath for over ten years before the dove incident.


A distinction without a difference. As I said upthread, "He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music." And in sense of being a musician he is more of one than Ozzy is. He is the sole creative force behind his records.

AdolfOliverPanties:Finally, if someone were to say they had never heard any of Ozzy's music, and they only knew him from the dove thing, then I would accept that.

I would not accept that most people only knew Ozzy for that.  And a lot of that is today's media.  I wouldn't know anything about Kanye if it wasn't for the internet.  If he had been back in Ozzy's heyday, before the internet, then he would probably only be known for his records.

But I think it is silly to say that he is mostly known for his music, when most people (I would wager 7 out of 10 average Americans) couldn't name a single song of his.)


I wouldn't say that either, but only because most people don't pay attention to music. Music critics take him seriously, and not because of his persona.

AdolfOliverPanties:Not that it matters, really.  He is an asshole, and that is pretty undeniable, even if you like hie records.

Of course its deniable. That's his public persona, which I suspect is designed to sell records. In other words, its an act, and one that works. For all you know he's the nicest guy in the world. Unless you've met him.

Have you met him?
 
2013-06-24 09:15:24 PM  

djkutch: That would be Maynard James Keenan.


Is it 1998 again? Awesome! So long, manboobs!
 
2013-06-24 09:20:48 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I would not accept that most people only knew Ozzy for that


Oh and btw, I would beg to differ with you on that. At the time, I bet most people who had heard of Ozzy knew him for that. No way to prove it either way of course.

Today I suspect most people only know him from the Osbornes.

And btw, Black Sabbath's new album is farking terrific. Not that anyone will care or know unless he bites the head off a new small animal. Perhaps a squirrel, or a young goose.
 
2013-06-24 09:27:17 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Is there a particular track that would be revelatory to me?


Through the Wire
All of the Lights
Gone (the last verse is pretty damn awesome)
Homecoming

My favorite is "Lost in the World" (feat Bon Iver) just because it is different and crazy.
 
2013-06-24 09:39:00 PM  

gilgigamesh: djkutch: That would be Maynard James Keenan.

Is it 1998 again? Awesome! So long, manboobs!


gilgigamesh: djkutch: That would be Maynard James Keenan.

Is it 1998 again? Awesome! So long, manboobs!


?
 
2013-06-24 10:00:20 PM  
STFU, N00b.
 
2013-06-24 10:05:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music.

In that sense, he is undeniably correct.


No, they talk about HIM.  His "music?"  Not so much.
 
2013-06-24 10:06:34 PM  
Does he like fishsticks?
 
2013-06-24 10:27:30 PM  

djkutch: That would be Maynard James Keenan.


Check this out.
 
2013-06-24 10:33:22 PM  
Imma let you finish, something something.
 
2013-06-24 10:40:46 PM  
Kanye West might be a grade A attention whore and something of an asshole but there are some demons within that won't let him be happy no matter how much booty and bling his money brings him. I was actually surprised with how good "Black Skinhead" is.
 
2013-06-24 10:45:42 PM  
If you have to tell it to people, you're not.
 
2013-06-24 10:47:40 PM  
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2013-06-24 10:48:03 PM  
What NBA team is he on again?
 
2013-06-24 10:51:12 PM  
All hat no cattle.
 
2013-06-24 10:51:43 PM  

gilgigamesh: AdolfOliverPanties: gilgigamesh: Most people back in the day knew Ozzy for biting the head off a bat. Does that make him any less a rock star?

Ozzy actually played rock music, for one.

And he was known for Black Sabbath for over ten years before the dove incident.

A distinction without a difference. As I said upthread, "He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music." And in sense of being a musician he is more of one than Ozzy is. He is the sole creative force behind his records.

AdolfOliverPanties:Finally, if someone were to say they had never heard any of Ozzy's music, and they only knew him from the dove thing, then I would accept that.

I would not accept that most people only knew Ozzy for that.  And a lot of that is today's media.  I wouldn't know anything about Kanye if it wasn't for the internet.  If he had been back in Ozzy's heyday, before the internet, then he would probably only be known for his records.

But I think it is silly to say that he is mostly known for his music, when most people (I would wager 7 out of 10 average Americans) couldn't name a single song of his.)

I wouldn't say that either, but only because most people don't pay attention to music. Music critics take him seriously, and not because of his persona.

AdolfOliverPanties:Not that it matters, really.  He is an asshole, and that is pretty undeniable, even if you like hie records.

Of course its deniable. That's his public persona, which I suspect is designed to sell records. In other words, its an act, and one that works. For all you know he's the nicest guy in the world. Unless you've met him.

Have you met him?


Eventually, there comes a point where detecting douchebaggery and assholish tendencies no longer requires a face-to-face.

Kanye West rocketed past that point a long time ago, and the only thing keeping him from reaching Bieber on the Douchebag Scale is that, unlike Bieber, his music doesn't always suck. When that (arguable) talent fades, so will he, because NO ONE is going to put up with his bullshiat then.
 
2013-06-24 10:56:19 PM  

gilgigamesh: I wouldn't say that either, but only because most people don't pay attention to music. Music critics take him seriously, and not because of his persona.


Oh, good, people with their finger on the pulse of America.
 
2013-06-24 10:59:07 PM  
Maybe he was just quoting Paul McCartney
 
2013-06-24 10:59:12 PM  

gilgigamesh: AdolfOliverPanties: I don't think of him as a musician at all, having not heard any of his music.  I can't comment on if he is pushing musical boundaries, but he definitely pushes buttons.

His new album is being described, generally, as ground breaking. That it is revitalizing hip hop, which has rightly long been considered a flagging music genre creatively speaking. From what I have heard of it, that is generally true. I've never heard anything like it. Its very industrial, which is something new in hip hop.



This new "revolutionary" gritty album was done in 2007 by Saul Williams and it was called "Niggy Tardust." Kayne essentially ripped off Saul and put out his own pile of trash and now he's trying to sell it down the river. There is some amazing hip hop rap out there right now and for people to say the genre is flagging is completely and utterly wrong. Sure main stream stuff is as weak as it has ever been but in the right areas you can find pure gold.
 
2013-06-24 11:00:28 PM  
I don't know a single song he has done. At least I don't think I do.
 
2013-06-24 11:01:54 PM  
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2013-06-24 11:02:32 PM  

gilgigamesh: He didn't mean it in the sense of a guy with long hair who plays guitar. He meant it in the sense of a guy who makes music, pushes boundaries and gets people talking about him and his music.

In that sense, he is undeniably correct.


Right...and as someone who mainly listens to people with long hair that play guitars I ask of you, who?
 
2013-06-24 11:06:29 PM  

LectertheChef: All hat no cattle.


All n*BONG* no sheriff
 
2013-06-24 11:07:38 PM  
Kanye's #1 in Rock the way Robert Plant's #1 in classical music.
 
2013-06-24 11:07:40 PM  

ShadowWolf: If you have to tell it to people, you're not.


What would also rule out the god of the bible. He can't stop reminding people.
 
2013-06-24 11:11:59 PM  
Kanye, like Metallica, has risen to a level of douchebaggery that demands I ignore him, irrespective of talent.
 
2013-06-24 11:13:35 PM  
so Amanda Bynes needs to be forced into rehab but THIS pos is allowed to run the streets?
 
2013-06-24 11:14:29 PM  
You know who else is prone to hourly haughty proclamations and exaggerated preening on social media sites?

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2013-06-24 11:14:37 PM  
Isn't this the guy who just got done complaining about how black people (especially rich black people like him) are still slaves?
 
2013-06-24 11:23:17 PM  
No wonder he's banging a Kardashian - there isn't anyone else out there that can take that much ego.
 
2013-06-24 11:23:41 PM  

"hey kayne I'll give you the one oh nine!"

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What happens when you dump out 'new' music continuously?

It ends up being garbage.

/kayne west can suck my f*ckin dick
 
2013-06-24 11:35:31 PM  
My only complaint about Kanye West - his trolling has no finesse. He's too obvious. Trolling must be subtle and sneaky to really be effective. He needs to take a few lessons from Gwyneth Paltrow. If you've ever read a Goop thread, that woman infuriates people like no other.
 
2013-06-24 11:38:30 PM  
"I made that song because I am a god," he later said with a laugh. "I don't think there's much more explanation. I'm not going to sit here and defend shiat. That shiat is rock & roll, man. That shiat is rap music. I am a god. Now what?"

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Choose one.
 
2013-06-24 11:43:01 PM  
"You can't say that you love music and then say that Kanye West can't come to your show! To even think they could tell me where I could and couldn't go is just ludicrous.

Can someone tell me what the f*ck he's talking about?
 
2013-06-24 11:46:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: AdolfOliverPanties: I don't think of him as a musician at all, having not heard any of his music.  I can't comment on if he is pushing musical boundaries, but he definitely pushes buttons.

I think he gets people talking about him far more than they talk about his music.

If it was his intention for that talk to include mainly the words "asshole, jackass, dickhead, prick, douchebag, farkhead and cocksucker" then he is getting the notoriety he wants.

Then you aren't looking.

Which is fine. You don't have to be a fan, or even pay attention to his music. Honestly, I don't much. Its a free country after all.

But don't pretend no one else is. It just makes it look like you're the one living under a rock.

His new album is being described, generally, as ground breaking. That it is revitalizing hip hop, which has rightly long been considered a flagging music genre creatively speaking. From what I have heard of it, that is generally true. I've never heard anything like it. Its very industrial, which is something new in hip hop.


Yo Gilgigamesh, I'm really happy for you, I'm going to let you finish, but Kanye has one of the best new albums of all time.

Or not
 
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