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2013-06-24 04:34:16 PM
Ok, I going to throw out the spoiler warning now. 'cause I need to vent a little.

1) That the hell was Pa Kent doing going back for the damn dog?! At this point they know the tornado can't hurt Clark.

2) you can kind of tell that heat vision really takes it out of Clark, however why didn't Clark just end Zod at the dust up in Kansas? There he is on his knees and Clark had the shoot and didn't take it.

3) and damn wasn't that female Kryptonian hot!!
 
2013-06-24 04:52:30 PM
Good rant.
 
2013-06-24 04:56:58 PM
Recall when Hollywood made dramas for adults and cartoons were on TV.
 
2013-06-24 04:56:59 PM
This hits every single note I brought up on the way home from this flick.

Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."
 
2013-06-24 05:01:35 PM

GreenAdder: Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."


I have no idea who the villain will be, because honestly Man of Steel doesn't set itself up for sequels. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Man of Steel isn't *ABOUT* anything. Like, it has no theme. Every movie needs a theme, especially superhero movies. The Batman movies are about the nature of crime and justice, and the life of a city. The Iron Man movies are about personal redemption and fixing past mistakes. The Spiderman movies are about fathers and sons and crap like that.

What the hell is Man of Steel about? What's the theme. What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel? I honestly can't think of anything, since there's no meaning to continue. I feel like the next superman movie (which will be made), will basically have no connection to Man of Steel other than the cast staying the same.
 
2013-06-24 05:06:44 PM

GreenAdder: Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."


I'd have to know who is playing Gizbie before I sign off on it.

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She has some room in her schedule now.
 
2013-06-24 05:10:02 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ok, I going to throw out the spoiler warning now. 'cause I need to vent a little.

1) That the hell was Pa Kent doing going back for the damn dog?! At this point they know the tornado can't hurt Clark.

2) you can kind of tell that heat vision really takes it out of Clark, however why didn't Clark just end Zod at the dust up in Kansas? There he is on his knees and Clark had the shoot and didn't take it.

3) and damn wasn't that female Kryptonian hot!!


1) because there were too many witnesses. And not Smallville witnesses. Smallville would protect their own. These were strangers. Clark might have done something superhuman and then shiat would hit the fan. Seeing how the government did treat him later in the movie pretty much proved Pas point

And Pa Kent just handed Clark a baby

2) could be the other backup kryptonians stopped him?

3) very, very hot.
 
2013-06-24 05:10:03 PM
I didn't understand the ship in the ice.  It was a 'seed' ship?  Why was it on earth for thousands and thousands of years?  How did superman's dad ensure that his 'S' key would work in a ship that old?
 
2013-06-24 05:12:06 PM
Just from the trailers I saw that there was way too much destruction, as if each new effects-laden movie is trying to top its predecessor with property damage numbers.  Avengers, then Star Trek Into Darkness and now this. I can only imagine what Pacific Rim is going to do.  I am getting bored with the spectacle.

They need to spend more time on characters and have smaller but more impactful moments.  Civilian body counts and rampant destruction through ridiculous amounts of CGI are boring.
 
2013-06-24 05:16:15 PM

DamnYankees: What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel?



"Wow... maybe I need to reign this shiat in when it comes to fighting in populated areas."
 
2013-06-24 05:18:53 PM
just a couple of minutes in to his rant and I have a couple of points to bring up. Does this guy know Superman? I mean really?

Yes, his parents /did/ have to die. His whole race died.

Yes he was stranded on an island, it is called Earth.

Ok he wasn't raised by Amazonians, but he was raised by an alien race of people so it is pretty much the same thing.

He isn't some guy from Kansas. He is from Krypton.


It also sounds like he is really describing Captain America instead of Superman.
 
2013-06-24 05:19:36 PM

2wolves: Recall when Hollywood made dramas for adults and cartoons were on TV.


Never.

Mass-market cinema has always been a lowest-common-denominator enterprise, with a few diamonds in the rough. It's easy to assume everything in the past was all "Citizen Kane," "Casablanca," "Five Easy Pieces," and so on. For every major studio film full of pathos and intrigue, you bet your bottom dollar the same major studio also churned out seven or eight exploitative genre-driven films.

For every "Citizen Kane" there's a film like "A Yank in the RAF" or "Honky Tonk," all released in 1941. In fact, "Citizen Kane" doesn't even show up on the top-grossing films of 1941. But Kane stood the test of time. Those other two might get shown at 1 A.M. on some basic cable channel.

Check out the 20 highest-grossing films of any year. You'll come to ultimately the same conclusion.

So as much as we'd like to imagine that cinema was once the sole domain of people looking for a cathartic or introspective experience, it's quite the opposite. Escapism has generally been part and parcel of the motion picture industry and the movie-going audience.

I'm no different. My DVD collection has Israeli drama "Lemon Tree" right next to "Leprechaun" in alphabetical order. And that's fine.

But "Man of Steel" wasn't fine. And that's what we're here to discuss.
 
2013-06-24 05:20:20 PM
dear subby,

what is meant by, "take a pull off an inhaler?"
 
2013-06-24 05:21:40 PM

Darth_Lukecash: because there were too many witnesses. And not Smallville witnesses. Smallville would protect their own. These were strangers. Clark might have done something superhuman and then shiat would hit the fan. Seeing how the government did treat him later in the movie pretty much proved Pas point

And Pa Kent just handed Clark a baby



Pa could have just kept running with the kid. No problems there. And there was nothing but fields past the cars. Well other than the tornado. He could have just gotten the dog and when that way. I know that the trendy thing is to kill of Pa Kent but it was just stupid the way they did it.

Darth_Lukecash: could be the other backup kryptonians stopped him?


The reinforcements hadn't gotten there yet. They others never mastered flight, so Clark had Zod all to himself for a while there. Zod was just there and Clark didn't take the shot.


Darth_Lukecash: 3) very, very hot.


my sweet lord, I welcome our new overlords.....
 
2013-06-24 05:25:05 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Just from the trailers I saw that there was way too much destruction, as if each new effects-laden movie is trying to top its predecessor with property damage numbers.  Avengers, then Star Trek Into Darkness and now this. I can only imagine what Pacific Rim is going to do.  I am getting bored with the spectacle.

They need to spend more time on characters and have smaller but more impactful moments.  Civilian body counts and rampant destruction through ridiculous amounts of CGI are boring.


I agree. I had a discussion with a buddy after we left the movie about whether the fight sequences, say, in Superman II, were more meaningful.  In Sup II, Ursa realizes that Superman's weakness is that he cares for people, then they try to increase the civilian body count as a tactic to use against him. Granted, they couldn't do then what they can do now, but mindlessly slamming each other back and forth through buildings is pretty empty.

This isn't to say I didn't enjoy the movie. I saw the theme of this one his wrestling with his dual nature - how to embrace the best in both parts of his heritage. Was it a competition between his two fathers, or were they both pushing him toward the same ultimate goal? Killing Zod was, in a sense, a personal sacrifice by Superman.

And there was lots of dumb fun in it. Emotional and intellectual depth were not strong points.
 
2013-06-24 05:32:04 PM

Darth_Lukecash: 3) very, very hot.


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She is even hotter with longer hair
 
2013-06-24 05:39:06 PM

DamnYankees: GreenAdder: Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."

I have no idea who the villain will be, because honestly Man of Steel doesn't set itself up for sequels. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Man of Steel isn't *ABOUT* anything. Like, it has no theme. Every movie needs a theme, especially superhero movies. The Batman movies are about the nature of crime and justice, and the life of a city. The Iron Man movies are about personal redemption and fixing past mistakes. The Spiderman movies are about fathers and sons and crap like that.

What the hell is Man of Steel about? What's the theme. What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel? I honestly can't think of anything, since there's no meaning to continue. I feel like the next superman movie (which will be made), will basically have no connection to Man of Steel other than the cast staying the same.


The movies had the theme about trust. Trusting the advice of your parents. Trusting that your kids will do the right thing. But most of all, trusting in yourself. Embracing your past, present and your future.
 
2013-06-24 05:47:42 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The movies had the theme about trust. Trusting the advice of your parents. Trusting that your kids will do the right thing. But most of all, trusting in yourself. Embracing your past, present and your future.


Ok, I can accept that. How's that a story which goes into the future? That's a one movie story. The theme has been completed. What's next? What villain ties into this?
 
2013-06-24 05:53:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Darth_Lukecash: because there were too many witnesses. And not Smallville witnesses. Smallville would protect their own. These were strangers. Clark might have done something superhuman and then shiat would hit the fan. Seeing how the government did treat him later in the movie pretty much proved Pas point

And Pa Kent just handed Clark a baby


Pa could have just kept running with the kid. No problems there. And there was nothing but fields past the cars. Well other than the tornado. He could have just gotten the dog and when that way. I know that the trendy thing is to kill of Pa Kent but it was just stupid the way they did it.

Darth_Lukecash: could be the other backup kryptonians stopped him?

The reinforcements hadn't gotten there yet. They others never mastered flight, so Clark had Zod all to himself for a while there. Zod was just there and Clark didn't take the shot.


Darth_Lukecash: 3) very, very hot.

my sweet lord, I welcome our new overlords.....


Pa Kent was doomed to die. Its his big moment in his life. His death was the catalyst for Clark to move on secrecy, to have a private life- so that people would not fear him. Or worse worship him as a god.

As far as Zod, at that point, Superman wasn't planning to kill him. He was trying to stop him. And the Kryptonians had a ship that could fly... And they could jump. So it didn't take them that long to get there.

Plus Monologuing works both way.
 
2013-06-24 05:57:00 PM

Darth_Lukecash: As far as Zod, at that point, Superman wasn't planning to kill him. He was trying to stop him. And the Kryptonians had a ship that could fly... And they could jump. So it didn't take them that long to get there.


Never said he had all day to do it. But he had the chance.


Darth_Lukecash: Plus Monologuing works both way.


I think that's the true answer.
 
2013-06-24 05:57:43 PM

netizencain: I didn't understand the ship in the ice.  It was a 'seed' ship?  Why was it on earth for thousands and thousands of years?  How did superman's dad ensure that his 'S' key would work in a ship that old?


In the brief history Jor El showed Kal el, the explorers were from the house of El. My theory is that Jor El and Lara had access to the historical time of the spacefiights and based everything off that technology.

In fact, that's how they found earth, the planned trajectory of one of the scout ships
 
2013-06-24 06:00:49 PM

DamnYankees: Darth_Lukecash: The movies had the theme about trust. Trusting the advice of your parents. Trusting that your kids will do the right thing. But most of all, trusting in yourself. Embracing your past, present and your future.

Ok, I can accept that. How's that a story which goes into the future? That's a one movie story. The theme has been completed. What's next? What villain ties into this?


The one man who can break that trust by reminding everyone who lead kryptonians here. The man who would take the destruction in Metropolis to heart.

Lex Luthor.
 
2013-06-24 06:04:04 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Darth_Lukecash: As far as Zod, at that point, Superman wasn't planning to kill him. He was trying to stop him. And the Kryptonians had a ship that could fly... And they could jump. So it didn't take them that long to get there.

Never said he had all day to do it. But he had the chance.


Darth_Lukecash: Plus Monologuing works both way.

I think that's the true answer.


They also had a scene where Zod grabs him by the cape.

Really, superman should have watched the Incredibles.

/and as a pre emotive strike.. So should the makers of Man of Steel
 
2013-06-24 06:06:58 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The one man who can break that trust by reminding everyone who lead kryptonians here. The man who would take the destruction in Metropolis to heart.

Lex Luthor.


Nah. Just nah. Everyone thinks they want to see Lex Luthor show up, but the idea of Luthor is much better than the reality. If Superman has do deal with Lex, it can only go a few different ways.
-Lex tries to ruin Superman's reputation. Superman exposes Lex as a phony. Wow. Shocker.
-Lex puts on a Kryptonite suit like in that one comic book. Superman is saved by some cunning and a  deus ex machina. No thanks.
-Lex has some hare-brained real estate scam. We've seen that twice.
-Lex teams up with a real villain. The whole thing plays off like a Star Wars prequel.

Nah, man. Just nah.

You want Superman to take on a villain that can hold Superman's interest? You bring in Mr. Mxyzptlk. Here's a guy with the power to change reality at will. Here's a guy who rules time and space. And he's an annoying little imp, so you know that's going to sell some toys.

Superman can't heat-vision him, he can't punch him, and he can't fly away. The only thing he can do is trick that little SOB into saying his own name backwards.
 
2013-06-24 06:08:15 PM

Darth_Lukecash: In the brief history Jor El showed Kal el, the explorers were from the house of El. My theory is that Jor El and Lara had access to the historical time of the spacefiights and based everything off that technology.

In fact, that's how they found earth, the planned trajectory of one of the scout ships



If you remember Zod's key worked too. And Jor El talks about how Kryptonians grew stagnant, maybe they got to thump drives and just stopped there. Zod's key did override Jor El's and gave him control of the craft.

I need someone to throw "Spoilers" on this for me!
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2013-06-24 06:09:21 PM
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And Zod looks too much like this guy.
 
2013-06-24 06:12:28 PM
I was surprised at my more or less positive reaction to Chronicle.
 
2013-06-24 06:35:02 PM
Was the big guy in Zod's crew  CGI?
 
2013-06-24 06:54:49 PM

DamnYankees: Darth_Lukecash: The movies had the theme about trust. Trusting the advice of your parents. Trusting that your kids will do the right thing. But most of all, trusting in yourself. Embracing your past, present and your future.

Ok, I can accept that. How's that a story which goes into the future? That's a one movie story. The theme has been completed. What's next? What villain ties into this?


Luthor. Like the Joker, all he needs to do is show superman that he has the power to save people, he just can't be everywhere at once. Crush his godlike soul. If luthor is untouchable by law, super can't do anything to him. You could even toss in the psychological trauma of a) having seen/been personally responsible for the extinction of your race (a second time); b) having been responsible for all the damage done to earth; and c)the fact that he had to kill a being whose only crime was to do what he was created to do, save krypton or avenge it.

Dear god leave magic and shait out of it. Good thing nolan's got this IP; he'll keep it reasonable and grounded.
 
2013-06-24 06:56:51 PM

ThreadSinger: Luthor. Like the Joker, all he needs to do is show superman that he has the power to save people, he just can't be everywhere at once. Crush his godlike soul. If luthor is untouchable by law, super can't do anything to him. You could even toss in the psychological trauma of a) having seen/been personally responsible for the extinction of your race (a second time); b) having been responsible for all the damage done to earth; and c)the fact that he had to kill a being whose only crime was to do what he was created to do, save krypton or avenge it.


So something like Luthor gets elected President on the platform of protecting us from aliens?

I've read that comic, it a good story
 
2013-06-24 06:57:54 PM
Saw it this past weekend. Enjoyed it enough.

Two things:

1) Zod's and Jor's fights scenes were very much the product of a dude in his late 30's fighting a dude in his late 40's.

2) I wanted to shoot the cinematographer after the 20th snap zoom. Twice per movie is enough.
 
2013-06-24 06:58:07 PM

Blues_X: DamnYankees: What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel?


"Wow... maybe I need to reign this shiat in when it comes to fighting in populated areas."


With a healthy dose of Lex being more than a little pissed off that one of his fuel tankers was destroyed, taking a large chunk of the city block with it.
 
2013-06-24 07:02:43 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: They need to spend more time on characters and have smaller but more impactful moments.  Civilian body counts and rampant destruction through ridiculous amounts of CGI are boring.


You're obviously never going to get a movie produced anytime soon.

And by anytime soon, I mean before the imminent implosion of Hollywood because everything is either Action Killer 7 or Room with a View with a Staircase and a Pond.

We don't have room for The Graduate anymore, or All The President's Men, or Goodfellas, or The Goonies or WarGames.  Movies that aren't special effects blockbusters, but can't be made on a shoestring budget.  I hope those sorts of films come back, but there's no telling what will happen when film goes through its nadir.
 
2013-06-24 07:08:09 PM

Nexzus: 1) Zod's and Jor's fights scenes were very much the product of a dude in his late 30's fighting a dude in his late 40's.


The melodious sounds of popping tendons accompany the delicate ripping of ligaments, panting, heavy breathing and covered in sweat?
 
2013-06-24 07:15:29 PM
Why didn't Superman just put his hand over Zod's eyes to block his heat vision?
 
2013-06-24 07:25:59 PM

cannotsuggestaname: just a couple of minutes in to his rant and I have a couple of points to bring up. Does this guy know Superman? I mean really?

Yes, his parents /did/ have to die. His whole race died.

Yes he was stranded on an island, it is called Earth.

Ok he wasn't raised by Amazonians, but he was raised by an alien race of people so it is pretty much the same thing.

He isn't some guy from Kansas. He is from Krypton.


It also sounds like he is really describing Captain America instead of Superman.


You missed his point. The story of Superman was that he was raised as a simple farm boy from Kansas. Superman was Captain America before there was a Captain America. Superman didn't know any of the above until he was a young man.The reason for Superman being so good was that he was raised on simple American values.
 
2013-06-24 07:31:52 PM

Nexzus: Saw it this past weekend. Enjoyed it enough.

Two things:

1) Zod's and Jor's fights scenes were very much the product of a dude in his late 30's fighting a dude in his late 40's.

2) I wanted to shoot the cinematographer after the 20th snap zoom. Twice per movie is enough.


It wouldn't have been so bad if there weren't back-to-back snap zoom shots.  What's even more amazing to me is that when I asked my friends about it, none of them noticed.  At least it didn't do the out of focus bit after the zoom.  The movie was hard enough to watch with the shaky cam...
 
2013-06-24 07:34:34 PM
Like I give a fark what the screen writer of chronicle has to say. That was a terrible movie and he should feel bad for writing it.
 
2013-06-24 07:43:51 PM

GreenAdder: Darth_Lukecash: The one man who can break that trust by reminding everyone who lead kryptonians here. The man who would take the destruction in Metropolis to heart.

Lex Luthor.

Nah. Just nah. Everyone thinks they want to see Lex Luthor show up, but the idea of Luthor is much better than the reality. If Superman has do deal with Lex, it can only go a few different ways.
-Lex tries to ruin Superman's reputation. Superman exposes Lex as a phony. Wow. Shocker.
-Lex puts on a Kryptonite suit like in that one comic book. Superman is saved by some cunning and a  deus ex machina. No thanks.
-Lex has some hare-brained real estate scam. We've seen that twice.
-Lex teams up with a real villain. The whole thing plays off like a Star Wars prequel.

Nah, man. Just nah.

You want Superman to take on a villain that can hold Superman's interest? You bring in Mr. Mxyzptlk. Here's a guy with the power to change reality at will. Here's a guy who rules time and space. And he's an annoying little imp, so you know that's going to sell some toys.

Superman can't heat-vision him, he can't punch him, and he can't fly away. The only thing he can do is trick that little SOB into saying his own name backwards.


Also, I hear that Gilbert Gottfied has a pretty open schedule these days.
 
2013-06-24 07:44:02 PM

2wolves: Recall when Hollywood made dramas for adults and cartoons were on TV.


What? Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Commando Cody's rocket pack.
 
2013-06-24 07:44:51 PM

Fano: Also, I hear that Gilbert Gottfied has a pretty open schedule these days.


My thoughts exactly. If he's not available, DeVito. If DeVito won't do it, get Arnold. They look alike anyway.
 
2013-06-24 07:49:55 PM

carnifex2005: cannotsuggestaname: just a couple of minutes in to his rant and I have a couple of points to bring up. Does this guy know Superman? I mean really?

Yes, his parents /did/ have to die. His whole race died.

Yes he was stranded on an island, it is called Earth.

Ok he wasn't raised by Amazonians, but he was raised by an alien race of people so it is pretty much the same thing.

He isn't some guy from Kansas. He is from Krypton.


It also sounds like he is really describing Captain America instead of Superman.

You missed his point. The story of Superman was that he was raised as a simple farm boy from Kansas. Superman was Captain America before there was a Captain America. Superman didn't know any of the above until he was a young man.The reason for Superman being so good was that he was raised on simple American values.


Proof: Every other Kryptonian in the last 70 years of comics, other than Kara and whatever backstory Power Girl has going on right now, is a total and utter dick. I don't know if Jor-el was some sort of window licker mutant spengbab type, but I've yet to see "Kryptonian ideals" that don't AT BEST, treat humanity the way we treat that sludge behind the refrigerator.
 
kab
2013-06-24 07:54:54 PM
Pretty good rant. I still won't see the flick till it hits Netflix, primarily because Superman tends to be boring as fark as far as 'superheroes' go, but still... good rant.
 
2013-06-24 08:06:32 PM

DamnYankees: GreenAdder: Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."

I have no idea who the villain will be, because honestly Man of Steel doesn't set itself up for sequels. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Man of Steel isn't *ABOUT* anything. Like, it has no theme. Every movie needs a theme, especially superhero movies. The Batman movies are about the nature of crime and justice, and the life of a city. The Iron Man movies are about personal redemption and fixing past mistakes. The Spiderman movies are about fathers and sons and crap like that.

What the hell is Man of Steel about? What's the theme. What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel? I honestly can't think of anything, since there's no meaning to continue. I feel like the next superman movie (which will be made), will basically have no connection to Man of Steel other than the cast staying the same.


What the fark are you talking about? The theme is Choice vs. Destiny and how which of those two views you have shapes what you are capable of doing or accepting.
 
2013-06-24 08:16:48 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Just from the trailers I saw that there was way too much destruction, as if each new effects-laden movie is trying to top its predecessor with property damage numbers.  Avengers, then Star Trek Into Darkness and now this. I can only imagine what Pacific Rim is going to do.  I am getting bored with the spectacle.

They need to spend more time on characters and have smaller but more impactful moments.  Civilian body counts and rampant destruction through ridiculous amounts of CGI are boring.


Don't forget the Transformers movies. "Hey, let's take the big fight out of the desert and into the big city!"
But yeah, the utter destruction was pretty much glossed over.

I've read the argument that Superman tried to take the fight out of Metropolis but Zod drew it back. I saw it as Superman really not having a chance to do anything much more than defend himself. But don't be surprised if the next movies make a point to showcase him doing everything he can to defend and protect people.

DamnYankees: Darth_Lukecash: The movies had the theme about trust. Trusting the advice of your parents. Trusting that your kids will do the right thing. But most of all, trusting in yourself. Embracing your past, present and your future.

Ok, I can accept that. How's that a story which goes into the future? That's a one movie story. The theme has been completed. What's next? What villain ties into this?


Lex Luther setting himself up as a defender of Earth is one that makes sense, as a lot of folks have pointed out. If they want to tie anything more back to Krypton, then Brainiac would make a good choice. If they want to SMASH! more cities, then another super powered foe like Darkseid or even Doomsday. I'm not sure if they can up the ante any more on destroying stuff than they did in this movie, though. The level of destruction in this movie is so great, it'd be hard to go so much bigger as they would probably think they needed for a JLA movie.

Speaking of trust, I found it interesting that Jor El appeared to trust humanity more than Pa Kent did.
 
2013-06-24 08:17:07 PM

wildsnowllama: DamnYankees: GreenAdder: Even the thing about Mr. Mxyzptlk, strangely, who I still insist is the only logical villain for "Man of Steel 2."

I have no idea who the villain will be, because honestly Man of Steel doesn't set itself up for sequels. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Man of Steel isn't *ABOUT* anything. Like, it has no theme. Every movie needs a theme, especially superhero movies. The Batman movies are about the nature of crime and justice, and the life of a city. The Iron Man movies are about personal redemption and fixing past mistakes. The Spiderman movies are about fathers and sons and crap like that.

What the hell is Man of Steel about? What's the theme. What story could be told which would continue the 'meaning' of Man of Steel? I honestly can't think of anything, since there's no meaning to continue. I feel like the next superman movie (which will be made), will basically have no connection to Man of Steel other than the cast staying the same.

What the fark are you talking about? The theme is Choice vs. Destiny and how which of those two views you have shapes what you are capable of doing or accepting.


This.

I liked it a good bit, while there were a few letdowns... but I'll readily admit I'm partial to Nolan's storytelling style. I prefer some dose of believability to my superheroes, and have never liked the camp factor.

I thought the fights between the Kryptonians were finally accurate as to how "supermen" would just totally wreck shiat around them... and the female one gave my lower abdomen superpowers.
 
2013-06-24 08:18:14 PM
Another presumed adult who has the mind of a child. Tell us how you feel about eating your peas, and your Dick and Jane books. Sharpen your crayons.
 
2013-06-24 08:18:18 PM
What I get from this rant is that Superman should be like The Doctor.
 
2013-06-24 08:21:51 PM
Seraphym:

I thought the fights between the Kryptonians were finally accurate as to how "supermen" would just totally wreck shiat around them... and the female one gave my lower abdomen superpowers.

That wasn't her, it was the chili dog you ate before the movie.
 
2013-06-24 08:22:43 PM

GreenAdder: Darth_Lukecash: The one man who can break that trust by reminding everyone who lead kryptonians here. The man who would take the destruction in Metropolis to heart.

Lex Luthor.

Nah. Just nah. Everyone thinks they want to see Lex Luthor show up, but the idea of Luthor is much better than the reality. If Superman has do deal with Lex, it can only go a few different ways.
-Lex tries to ruin Superman's reputation. Superman exposes Lex as a phony. Wow. Shocker.
-Lex puts on a Kryptonite suit like in that one comic book. Superman is saved by some cunning and a  deus ex machina. No thanks.
-Lex has some hare-brained real estate scam. We've seen that twice.
-Lex teams up with a real villain. The whole thing plays off like a Star Wars prequel.

Nah, man. Just nah.

You want Superman to take on a villain that can hold Superman's interest? You bring in Mr. Mxyzptlk. Here's a guy with the power to change reality at will. Here's a guy who rules time and space. And he's an annoying little imp, so you know that's going to sell some toys.

Superman can't heat-vision him, he can't punch him, and he can't fly away. The only thing he can do is trick that little SOB into saying his own name backwards.


If only there were decades of proof that Lex Luthor makes an appealing villain for Superman. Too bad the Superman animated series and JLA/JLU showed Lex Luthor as the lame, unthreatening joke he always will be.

/sarcasm

You came up with four lame ways Lex can be an antagonist for Superman. Superman and Justice League writers have been doing it for decades. All it takes is a writer who has more imagination than a snail in a shoebox. But let's look at your ideas:

-Lex tries to ruin Superman's reputation. Superman exposes Lex as a phony. Wow. Shocker.
How, exactly? Lex Luthor is a corporate citizen, and Superman is an alien whose last battle just wiped out Metropolis. Unmanned drones take out terrorism targets from time to time, but the people see them as a threat that might not be worth supporting because of the damage they do and the unchecked power they represent. Lex Luthor saying, "Superman might not be the best thing for us right now" isn't even phony, from a certain (very reasonable) set of perspectives. How does Superman take down a man he can't punch, because one punch will make him a murderer (again) and prove that Lex was right all along?

-Lex puts on a Kryptonite suit like in that one comic book. Superman is saved by some cunning and a  deus ex machina. No thanks.
 Did you see the movie? There's no Kryptonite. Lex could put on essentially an Iron Man suit, or have employees who do it for him, or turn the military against Superman, or whatever. And lots of heroes "are saved by some cunning", that's part of the heroic journey. See also: Odysseus, Jason, Perseus, Batman, Iron Man, Han Solo, and yeah, even Superman.

Clearly you didn't see the movie, but I feel the need to give an 8th-grade story seminar anyway, so we'll continue.

-Lex has some hare-brained real estate scam. We've seen that twice.
The fact that Man of Steel is as polarizing and different as it is tells me that they know better than to have a bumbling oaf of a Lex Luthor in a sequel, just like The Dark Knight's Joker wasn't as pastiche of Jack Nicholson. Zod could have been wearing a black pirate-shirt and telling people to Kneel while conquering Planet Houston in Man of Steel, but he wasn't. Real Estate isn't a cornerstone of Lex Luthor's master plan for decades now. I suggest looking at any comics involving Lex Luthor since Byrne rebooted Superman in the '80s.

-Lex teams up with a real villain. The whole thing plays off like a Star Wars prequel.
Not sure why Lex hiring a villain makes it a Star Wars prequel, but whatever. Lex could hire Parasite or Doomsday or build Bizarro or recreate Brainiac, and it would only make him a more powerful villain in and of himself. Because then, not only can't Superman just punch him to death, but he's also got a real threat that Superman can't ignore. And then Brainiac can show up as the "real" villain in JLA/Man of Steel 3.

But again, if you think Lex Luthor isn't a real villain, then you're in luck, because there's a lot of good, recent media to the contrary for you to consume in your own time.

Mxyzptlk won't come within a hundred yards of this franchise, as long as Nolan's involved. There's a lot of good Superman to get through before the imp arrives from the 5th dimension. I think Zod, Lex, Brainiac is a good progression, especially since Zod made him reveal his true power (and potential threat to mankind) by destroying Metropolis and killing Zod, Lex can force him to grow by turning mankind against him and forcing Superman to defeat him in a way that shows mankind he is NOT a threat, and Brainiac can bring Krypton back into the equation and threaten Earth in an interesting way that makes Supes choose between the people of Earth and the one, final hope of seeing the Kryptonian race live again (Kandor, or some other version of Kryptonian tech/DNA/souls in Brainiac's collection).

The themes are carried throughout: Are you a man or a god? Will people fear you, study you, imprison you, or worship you? Are you human, or Kryptonian? Now that you see what your full power can do, how far will you go next time?

Interestingly, Pa Kent's warnings turn out to be true for real-life audiences. Clark showed us what he's truly capable of, and he made a decision to use his strength to save humanity. And it shocked and appalled us, and made many of us think, "That's not the Superman I want." That's exactly what Pa Kent was warning against, and I think Clark realizes that he was right, judging from his anguished scream at the end.

It should be an interesting sequel, if they keep that realization in mind and show how Clark handles it.
 
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