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2013-06-24 04:20:20 PM
I can has quietly stops? Were they caught sayof?
 
2013-06-24 04:42:42 PM
I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.
 
2013-06-24 05:14:29 PM

Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.


This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.
 
2013-06-24 05:46:39 PM
White people problems
 
2013-06-24 05:56:54 PM
I like to pay for commercials because I don't like money.
 
2013-06-24 05:57:50 PM
...and nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-06-24 05:59:25 PM

Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.


I think you're going to have more bandwidth issues from people tryuing to stream, having it buffer, hang up, restart, crash, etc... With downloads, they may slow down and speed up, but they don't annoy the users as much, resulting in them hitting "download" over and over trying to get it to either resume, or wake up and start playing.

Fark Apple, I hate streaming, because I have yet to see why people get major wood over it. I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues, or have the thing skip a few times. It's not a lot, but I don't see how it is supposed to herald the end of being able to pop in a disk and have it play perfectly.
 
2013-06-24 06:01:35 PM
Oh no! We must protect ads for movies!
 
2013-06-24 06:07:39 PM
Personally I've always felt that someone needed to nuke QuickTime from orbit. It's terrible technology, I'd put it right up there with RealPlayer as in "Yeah, it served it's purpose, but the world has moved on."

So yeah, really nothing was lost.
 
2013-06-24 06:08:13 PM
Why would someone download a commercial?  Fark, send me money if you're just looking to throw it away....
 
2013-06-24 06:12:10 PM

Mikey1969: Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.

I think you're going to have more bandwidth issues from people tryuing to stream, having it buffer, hang up, restart, crash, etc... With downloads, they may slow down and speed up, but they don't annoy the users as much, resulting in them hitting "download" over and over trying to get it to either resume, or wake up and start playing.

Fark Apple, I hate streaming, because I have yet to see why people get major wood over it. I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues, or have the thing skip a few times. It's not a lot, but I don't see how it is supposed to herald the end of being able to pop in a disk and have it play perfectly.


I stream to Apple TV and never seem to have problems.  10 second of buffering after pressing "play" then all is well.  That is less time than a DVD spooling up and going thru the FBI anti-piracy page, then the previews that can not be skipped, and maybe and advertisement or two.
 
2013-06-24 06:14:50 PM
So you have to go download them from YouTube instead? Not sure what the big deal is here.
 
2013-06-24 06:24:24 PM

Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.


If somebody wants to voluntarily copy and repost the commercial for a movie before it comes out, they're just helping the marketing department do their job.   Studios have encouraged downloading and reposting movie trailers since day one.  (Uploading complete sections of the movie itself... different story)

This is apparently a change in policy with all new trailers - which suggests it's an Apple thing, not a studio/copyright thing.
 
2013-06-24 06:24:33 PM
That can only mean one thing....Invasion.
 
2013-06-24 06:25:40 PM

TwistedFark: Personally I've always felt that someone needed to nuke QuickTime from orbit. It's terrible technology, I'd put it right up there with RealPlayer as in "Yeah, it served it's its purpose, but the world has moved on."

So yeah, really nothing was lost.

 
2013-06-24 06:29:53 PM

Mikey1969: I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues


No you don't.
 
2013-06-24 06:41:10 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: Mikey1969: I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues

No you don't.


Actually you can have all that but if the youtube or apple or whoever has a shiatty-ass content proxy in your area that isn't caching the stuff you want then you will get buffering buffering buffering.  Its an interesting phenomenon but it pretty much boils down to there isn't some cray-class computer and one big phat pipe at google headquarters that's serving up every video everywhere, but rather hundreds of sometimes awesome and sometimes limited ones all over the place.  Its the only sane way to do it at that scale but the side effect is less popular content served in less popular areas gets inherently shafted at times.

themoreyouknow.jpg :)
 
2013-06-24 06:41:36 PM
It would make sense if very few people were downloading any more. I know, too logical.
 
2013-06-24 06:47:41 PM
"Quietly?"
 
2013-06-24 06:48:12 PM

BumpInTheNight: Lars The Canadian Viking: Mikey1969: I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues

No you don't.

Actually you can have all that but if the youtube or apple or whoever has a shiatty-ass content proxy in your area that isn't caching the stuff you want then you will get buffering buffering buffering.  Its an interesting phenomenon but it pretty much boils down to there isn't some cray-class computer and one big phat pipe at google headquarters that's serving up every video everywhere, but rather hundreds of sometimes awesome and sometimes limited ones all over the place.  Its the only sane way to do it at that scale but the side effect is less popular content served in less popular areas gets inherently shafted at times.

themoreyouknow.jpg :)


Hah, yup, Shaw's Calgary YT proxies were total crap for a long while until a gigantic mound of customer complaints finally prompted them to upgrade them,
 
2013-06-24 06:48:46 PM
Complaint #537 about purchasing media legitimately: having to watch trailers.  If I'm gonna watch it, I'm gonna watch it; I don't need the whole damn plot given away first.

/see also Complaint #6435 about watching a movie in the theater.
 
2013-06-24 06:58:48 PM

dirty_bird18: That can only mean one thing....Invasion.


I'm not sure if this was a deliberate reference to the SWEP1 trailer making the Apple trailers site (relatively) popular.  If so, I applaud you...
 
2013-06-24 06:59:44 PM

Broktun: Mikey1969: Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.

I think you're going to have more bandwidth issues from people tryuing to stream, having it buffer, hang up, restart, crash, etc... With downloads, they may slow down and speed up, but they don't annoy the users as much, resulting in them hitting "download" over and over trying to get it to either resume, or wake up and start playing.

Fark Apple, I hate streaming, because I have yet to see why people get major wood over it. I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues, or have the thing skip a few times. It's not a lot, but I don't see how it is supposed to herald the end of being able to pop in a disk and have it play perfectly.

I stream to Apple TV and never seem to have problems.  10 second of buffering after pressing "play" then all is well.  That is less time than a DVD spooling up and going thru the FBI anti-piracy page, then the previews that can not be skipped, and maybe and advertisement or two.


Yeah, I really resentment previews that I can't skip. Only Disney is doing that right now, I believe. One thing to try is Stop-Stop-Play-Play, it's a hidden easter egg thing that works most of the time.

The DVD software I use when I decide to burn a movie will stop the FBI warning as well as let me select just the main video if I want, it's very handy.
 
2013-06-24 07:04:27 PM

znapel: dirty_bird18: That can only mean one thing....Invasion.

I'm not sure if this was a deliberate reference to the SWEP1 trailer making the Apple trailers site (relatively) popular.  If so, I applaud you...


I am not nearly that clever.
 
2013-06-24 07:04:29 PM
Quicktime and iTunes are in the same boat for me. It's isn't worth it to download and install either software. It's just too bloated and at work where Quicktime was installed the software was always nagging to be updated.
 
2013-06-24 07:10:51 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: Mikey1969: I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues

No you don't.


I don't either.  And yet one of the pirate tv sites I watch streams pretty well flawlessly at okay-ish quality, where-as even youtube runs like crap nowadays.
 
2013-06-24 07:18:42 PM
What was the difference anyway? Was "downloading" giving you a higher bit rate or something?

It's all just bits anyway. Once they get to your computer, you're free to do with them as you please.

Downloading. Streaming. All pretty much the same.
 
2013-06-24 07:31:05 PM

chevydeuce: Why would someone download a commercial?  Fark, send me money if you're just looking to throw it away....


Because THIS. IS. CAKETOWN.
 
2013-06-24 08:19:20 PM
Quietly?

It was announced more than 2 weeks ago on one of the main Mac news sites.

Subby, do a little research first.
 
2013-06-24 08:20:03 PM
What a f*cking whiner.
 
2013-06-24 08:23:43 PM

cxjohn: Quietly?

It was announced more than 2 weeks ago on one of the main Mac news sites.

Subby, do a little research first.


You don't research Apple headlines. B*tch first, ask questions never.
 
2013-06-24 09:16:44 PM

Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.


Streaming and downloading video uses the same amount of bandwidth, assuming of course that they're the same quality. I guess they might save some if they have a lot of people who stream a video and then download it as well.
 
2013-06-24 09:38:55 PM

ReapTheChaos: Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.

Streaming and downloading video uses the same amount of bandwidth, assuming of course that they're the same quality. I guess they might save some if they have a lot of people who stream a video and then download it as well.


Yes, but now "watches trailer ten times" guy is going to use 10x the bandwidth. If I had to guess, they probably just had enough idiot phone users trying to download media they couldn't play they just went 100% streaming.
 
2013-06-24 09:56:44 PM

23FPB23: White people problems


I'll take it one step further.  I run my computer (and games) on a 60" LCD 1080p with a 5 speaker BOSE surround sound.  When I want to watch a really good trailer (TDKR, MoS, Star Trek, whatever) it's nice to download it because a 1080 trailer allows me to use up my entire 60".  With Apple's streaming, I use up half.  Now I know, most don't have the size I do, but come on...it was harmless to allow me to watch a trailer 6 times if I got the chills every single time.

But yes, white people problems...or people problems who enjoy their toys and work hard, whatever.  Bioshock Infinite on this rig caused my brother to stay at my house for 4 days (much to the shagrin of my wife).

The room came at a cost, though...I have to buy my wife a brand new Forester this fall :/.
 
2013-06-24 10:04:08 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-24 10:14:06 PM

Broktun: Mikey1969: Etchy333: Triumph: I don't know what the author is puzzled about. It's all about control of content. With the quicktime format, people grab trailers and re-edit them all sorts of ways.

This is probably the main reason for the change, but it could also benefit them in simplifying the content delivery network.  One less thing for them to test on the site, and probably a big chunk of bandwidth usage eliminated.

I think you're going to have more bandwidth issues from people tryuing to stream, having it buffer, hang up, restart, crash, etc... With downloads, they may slow down and speed up, but they don't annoy the users as much, resulting in them hitting "download" over and over trying to get it to either resume, or wake up and start playing.

Fark Apple, I hate streaming, because I have yet to see why people get major wood over it. I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues, or have the thing skip a few times. It's not a lot, but I don't see how it is supposed to herald the end of being able to pop in a disk and have it play perfectly.

I stream to Apple TV and never seem to have problems.  10 second of buffering after pressing "play" then all is well.  That is less time than a DVD spooling up and going thru the FBI anti-piracy page, then the previews that can not be skipped, and maybe and advertisement or two.


Ten seconds? Is Apple TV that crappy? Netflix is three or four seconds tops.
 
2013-06-24 10:19:21 PM
Fark Apple
 
2013-06-24 10:30:15 PM
My first thought is that Quicktime might eventually go away.  Fark me, right?
 
2013-06-24 11:16:25 PM
eh, it's not like there aren't browser addons that can download .FLV videos
 
2013-06-24 11:22:07 PM
Ten minutes ago I downloaded a trailer from Apple and played it at 1080p on a Windows box.  This author does know that all the trailers are available via iTunes right?  Right?  No?  Then the author is a douche.
 
2013-06-24 11:32:53 PM

gingerjet: Ten minutes ago I downloaded a trailer from Apple and played it at 1080p on a Windows box.  This author does know that all the trailers are available via iTunes right?  Right?  No?  Then the author is a douche.


Back in the dark ages, we would have been appalled to think that we'd have to download and install a proprietary piece of software to access something that could easily be offered to anyone, using any browser.

My, how times have improved.
 
2013-06-24 11:57:23 PM
I haven't been to the Apple trailer site since - I don't know... 2003-2004?

Everything I'd want to see is on YouTube.

Hell, everything I'd probably need to see will be link TO Youtube from Fark.

HELL! I think I once saw a subby link to an Apple trailer instead of YouTube a couple of years ago and got booed off Fark. (Might be another site, can't really recall, but let's just say it was Fark.)
 
2013-06-24 11:58:33 PM

BumpInTheNight: Lars The Canadian Viking: Mikey1969: I have a good connection, a fast computer, a decent router, and I still have yet to watch any two streaming items in a row without having buffering issues

No you don't.

Actually you can have all that but if the youtube or apple or whoever has a shiatty-ass content proxy in your area that isn't caching the stuff you want then you will get buffering buffering buffering.  Its an interesting phenomenon but it pretty much boils down to there isn't some cray-class computer and one big phat pipe at google headquarters that's serving up every video everywhere, but rather hundreds of sometimes awesome and sometimes limited ones all over the place.  Its the only sane way to do it at that scale but the side effect is less popular content served in less popular areas gets inherently shafted at times.

themoreyouknow.jpg :)


Huh, wonder if there is a way to bypass the local CDN.
 
2013-06-25 01:14:44 AM

mat catastrophe: gingerjet: Ten minutes ago I downloaded a trailer from Apple and played it at 1080p on a Windows box.  This author does know that all the trailers are available via iTunes right?  Right?  No?  Then the author is a douche.

Back in the dark ages, we would have been appalled to think that we'd have to download and install a proprietary piece of software to access something that could easily be offered to anyone, using any browser.

My, how times have improved.


How is it not viewable to anyone on any browser?
 
2013-06-25 01:59:53 AM
Oh no! Apple won't let me download movie trailers! The world as we know it has ended!
 
2013-06-25 04:17:47 AM

Surool: mat catastrophe: gingerjet: Ten minutes ago I downloaded a trailer from Apple and played it at 1080p on a Windows box.  This author does know that all the trailers are available via iTunes right?  Right?  No?  Then the author is a douche.

Back in the dark ages, we would have been appalled to think that we'd have to download and install a proprietary piece of software to access something that could easily be offered to anyone, using any browser.

My, how times have improved.

How is it not viewable to anyone on any browser?


Please post a screenshot of you viewing it from within Lynx.
 
2013-06-25 04:37:33 AM

untaken_name: Surool: mat catastrophe: gingerjet: Ten minutes ago I downloaded a trailer from Apple and played it at 1080p on a Windows box.  This author does know that all the trailers are available via iTunes right?  Right?  No?  Then the author is a douche.

Back in the dark ages, we would have been appalled to think that we'd have to download and install a proprietary piece of software to access something that could easily be offered to anyone, using any browser.

My, how times have improved.

How is it not viewable to anyone on any browser?

Please post a screenshot of you viewing it from within Lynx.


Haha, Lynx! You should be used to not having everything work by now.
 
2013-06-25 05:00:06 AM

Surool: Haha, Lynx! You should be used to not having everything work by now.


Well, it all depends on your definition of "work". I've never received a pop-up, underpop, overpop, or clickunder advertisement while using Lynx.
 
2013-06-25 06:08:45 AM

untaken_name: Surool: Haha, Lynx! You should be used to not having everything work by now.

Well, it all depends on your definition of "work". I've never received a pop-up, underpop, overpop, or clickunder advertisement while using Lynx.


...And now you can't download movie previews.

Adblock works great BTW.
 
2013-06-25 07:37:29 AM
It's for the marketing people. If you download a trailer and watch it 10 times, the marketing people don't know that other than 1 download. If you have to stream it 10 times, they get to count each time and make a graph out of it.

/what's my prize for the right answer?
//can't think of someone in marketing who's actions weren't making the world and worse place.
 
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