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(Sporting News)   Vancouver Farkin' Canucks set a farkin' press conference today to name Johnny Farkin' Tortor-farkin-ella is the new head farkin' coach. And you can kiss my ass. Write that farkin' DOWN. Did you even ask a farkin' question?   (sportingnews.com) divider line 24
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2013-06-24 04:36:16 PM  
I can see the Vigneault-to-NYR move working out. There's a lot of offensive talent on the Rangers that will have a little more freedom now. Not really sure about Torts-to-VAN though
 
2013-06-24 04:41:49 PM  
Bettman is the suckiest suck who ever sucked, but at least his teams can trade coaches.
 
2013-06-24 04:47:04 PM  
There are only 4 ways to win the cup.

1) suck hard for long enough and accumulate draft picks like the hawks,pens (but not too long like Edmonton)
2) trade free agents for some other teams' draft picks, and hope that they stink (bruins)
3) great goalie and trap defence (this usually get you into the finals, only to lose)
4) be Detroit

strangely, I think this years hawks are following the #4 strategy.
 
2013-06-24 04:47:51 PM  
This is gonna be the best year ever.

I'm getting a dumptruck full of popcorn.


/no, I'm not here for the hockey
 
2013-06-24 04:48:16 PM  
Lee Elia loved your farking headline.
 
2013-06-24 04:50:57 PM  

Vance Uppercut: 1) suck hard for long enough and accumulate draft picks like the hawks,pens (but not too long like Edmonton)


That's because Edmonton did it backwards.

If you have no assets and you must build from the draft, you start from the net out. Get a decent keeper (may be superfluous now) and a defensive core. Then get your snipers. The Hawks and Pens did this. Edmonton simply got the BPA every year with no consideration for team cohesion, needs vs wants, specialists and game situations, and ego management/locker room chemistry. That is why they fail.
 
2013-06-24 04:57:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: Lee Elia loved your farking headline.


holy crap....i never realized that before.....Johnny Torts really is Lee Elia!

/"rogers arena is a playground for assholes....85% of the farkin' world is out there earning a living, the other 15% spend all farkin' day here.  DON'T RIP THOSE farkIN' GUYS!  you wanna rip someone, rip my farkin' ass!"
//the unspoken beauty of his rant is, aside from the sheer level or rage and venom, it happens in April.  April!  not in september after gagging away the division, but in April.what are we talkin' 'bout, man?  Not September, the month I go out and die for every season, but, April?  How silly is that?  April?  C'mon, man, I know I'm the manager, I'm sposed-a set the example, but....April?  April!  We talkin' about April, man!
 
2013-06-24 04:59:09 PM  
 
2013-06-24 05:02:09 PM  
I can't claim to know a ton about Tortorella, but If his normal schtick from that Bruins series of not forechecking or contesting any predictable passes coming out of the zone...ever...and also not having any kind of momentum taking the puck into the Bruins zone - just kind of hanging out at the blue line and hoping the guy with the puck can carry it in through 2 or 4 guys, not winning any battles in the corners, not challenging any shots or passes from the defensemen...no strategy or discipline.  Yet I know they had the best record in the East the prior year.  'sup with this guy?
 
2013-06-24 05:15:34 PM  
Now we just need to trade Tony G for Brooksie.
 
2013-06-24 05:29:43 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Luongo Approves!


The dude is awesome - I'm sorry to see him go now.
 
2013-06-24 05:34:44 PM  
John Toretteserella is a joke. Learn how to hand a press conference and behave like a dignified human being like any other coach, you ass.
 
2013-06-24 05:43:40 PM  

octopied: Learn how to hand a press conference and behave like a dignified human being like any other coach, you ass.


it wasn't as vitriolic as Johnny Torts pressers got, but Pops had some great ones the last few weeks.  "what did you see on that final play in the 4th quarter, coach?"  "They made the winning basket".  "how are you going to get your players ready to take the court in Game 7?" "we're gonna get on the bus at the hotel, drive here, park the bus, walk off the bus, walk into the locker room, get dressed, and walk onto the court.  that's how we're getting ready to take the court in game 7."  "how great was tim duncan's performance tonight?"  "it was great.  i'm not trying to be  a wiseguy.  what do you want me to say? it was very great?  super great?  average great?"
 
2013-06-24 05:57:35 PM  
And Vancouver wept.
 
2013-06-24 06:08:51 PM  

Ishkur: If you have no assets and you must build from the draft, you start from the net out. Get a decent keeper (may be superfluous now) and a defensive core. Then get your snipers. The Hawks and Pens did this. Edmonton simply got the BPA every year with no consideration for team cohesion, needs vs wants, specialists and game situations, and ego management/locker room chemistry. That is why they fail.


Eh, I think if the Hawks have shown anything, it's that you don't worry THAT much about a goalie if you stack your team everywhere else and have the right system in place.  The 2010 team's goalie was signed as an undrafted free agent in his mid-20s.  On this year's squad, the goalie was drafted 10 years ago and only became the starter when they let the 2010 guy go in free agency.

Yeah, they stunk badly enough for a couple years to be at the very top of the draft and managed to get the best players in two consecutive drafts (picking #3 and #1) but they did actually pick those guys over others, and they did nicely get Keith (2nd round) and Seabrook in back to back drafts a decade ago, but they've also made hay in some utter robberies of trades, doing a great job of identifying young talent elsewhere and targeting it (the most obvious one being Sharp).  Add in some smart signings and you have the 2013 team.  Add in "ah, screw the salary cap in future years, let's go Cup or bust this year" and you have the 2010 team.
 
2013-06-24 06:09:17 PM  

octopied: John Toretteserella is a joke. Learn how to hand a press conference and behave like a dignified human being like any other coach, you ass.


Why do you hate comedy gold?
 
2013-06-24 06:35:42 PM  

GQueue: Eh, I think if the Hawks have shown anything, it's that you don't worry THAT much about a goalie


I agree. I think the system in front of him is more important, and if you have to choose between a Vezina-level goalie or a Norris-level defensemen, pick the D-man every time.

This argument's been brought up before, so let me just cutnpaste what I said last time:

If you're building a team from the draft, you start with an A-list d-man (or two) and a goaltender (which may or may not be necessary), then you get your snipers (and trade for your role-players. Never waste top 3 round picks on defensive forwards or face-off specialists. But always draft speed). It should take about 7 or 8 years to get the core pieces. If you get them in this order, all of them -- goalie, defense, forwards -- will hit their peak at relatively the same time. Then you go on a Cup run or two.

Edmonton seems to be doing it backwards: They get the ridiculously talented forwards first, no puck support or role-players, no defence, mediocre goaltending. Observe:

Chicago's first round picks (unless specified):

In '02 they got Duncan Keith (d) in the 2nd round (interestingly, the D-man they picked in the first round -- Anton Babchuk -- didn't pan out. He took off for the KHL). In '03 they got Seabrook (d) in the first round and Crawford (g) in the second round. Core defense secured: Goalie and two A-list defensemen (also Bufflejuice (d-f) in the 8th round but let's call that a fluke). In '04 Cam Barker (d), who was actually excellent his first few seasons before he just fell off the face of the Earth, and Bolland (c) in the second round. 05 was a bust, 06 was Toews (c), 07 was Kane (c-r). The core is established. Pick up some role-players along the way (Versteeg (r), Ladd (l)), some secondary scoring (Sharp (r), Hossa (l)), and depth on defense (Campbell) and goal (Niemi), and three years later: Stanley Cup, right on time when everyone's peaking. And now they're on the verge of doing it again.

Pittsburgh did the same thing:

They drafted Orpik (d), Whitney (d) (who turned into Kunitz (d) -- more on that later), and Fleury (g) in the first rounds 01-03, respectively. They also signed veterans like Gonchar (d), Sydor (d) and Gill (d) to help ease the young Ds into the game and that's probably the most crucial aspect of a D-man's development: The mentorship. Then they got Crosby (c), Malkin (c) and Staal (c) in the first rounds 05-07 (respectively) after the lockout (along with 3rd round Letang (d)). There is your Stanley Cup core right there. All of them are still with the team except for Whitney who has chronic injury issues and is not the same, so they traded him for Kunitz. In an ironic twist, Whitney is now with Edmonton, although almost as injury-prone as Salo and a shadow of his former self..

Now let's look at Edmonton's BPA strategy:

They have picked forwards in the first round six straight years in a row (Gagne, Eberle, MPS, Hall, RNH, Yakupov, in that order) -- that's six straight years of front-loading and not addressing weaknesses. It's like a golfer with a terrible putting game practicing by going to the driving range every day.

I don't believe in the BPA strategy (for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is it gives your scouting staff a free pass). Take a hint from Herb Brooks: Don't get the best players, get the RIGHT players. A team of 12 Stamkoses will not win the Cup. Last year was a defencemen bonanza - 13 Ds selected in the first round. Edmonton passed on all of them. The year before was even better: 11 Ds selected including Adam Larrson, Dougie Hamilton and Jonas Brodin all getting major ice time right out of the gate. In the years before that Edmonton passed on Ryan Ellis, John Carlson, P.K. Subban... in 2008 they had a chance at (Calder winning) Tyler Myers or Erik Karlsson but they traded their pick away (for Dustin Penner) and got Eberle. They had three first round picks in 2007 and two of them have a combined 47 NHL games played (the other was Gagne), although to their credit one was an actual defensemen. That's just bad drafting. Their future should have started that year.

They actually got a decent netminder in Dubnyk (drafted in 04), who is perfect because he's rounding into form at the right time but he's not getting any support. They have to shore up their defense, but it's too late for that. It's something they should have addressed 6 years ago.
 
2013-06-24 07:05:45 PM  

PowerSlacker: Bettman is the suckiest suck who ever sucked, but at least his teams can trade coaches.


This wasn't a trade AFAIK
 
2013-06-24 10:27:08 PM  

Ishkur: interestingly, the D-man they picked in the first round -- Anton Babchuk -- didn't pan out. He took off for the KHL)


Except that he stayed in North America, occasionally showing signs of the skill that got him picked that high, but usually being held back by attitude issues. Early, he played mostly in the AHL, then got traded to the Canes, where he went between the NHL and AHL, got pissed at an AHL demotion, went to the RSL briefly, came back, went to the KHL, came back, got traded to the Flames, went to a different team in the KHL during the lockout, and came back to the Flames and played 7 games this season.

He's had an... interesting career.
 
2013-06-24 10:57:39 PM  

Ishkur: I don't believe in the BPA strategy (for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is it gives your scouting staff a free pass). Take a hint from Herb Brooks: Don't get the best players, get the RIGHT players. A team of 12 Stamkoses will not win the Cup. Last year was a defencemen bonanza - 13 Ds selected in the first round. Edmonton passed on all of them. The year before was even better: 11 Ds selected including Adam Larrson, Dougie Hamilton and Jonas Brodin all getting major ice time right out of the gate. In the years before that Edmonton passed on Ryan Ellis, John Carlson, P.K. Subban... in 2008 they had a chance at (Calder winning) Tyler Myers or Erik Karlsson but they traded their pick away (for Dustin Penner) and got Eberle. They had three first round picks in 2007 and two of them have a combined 47 NHL games played (the other was Gagne), although to their credit one was an actual defensemen. That's just bad drafting. Their future should have started that year.


Last years draft made me shake my head.  As of May that year 30 of the top 90 prospects were defensemen and Edmonton waited until the 4th round to take one.
 
2013-06-24 11:50:14 PM  
Enjoy the cancer, Vancouver. Couldn't happen to a better fanbase.

//rags fan
 
2013-06-25 02:01:33 AM  

octopied: John Toretteserella is a joke. Learn how to hand a press conference and behave like a dignified human being like any other coach, you ass.


I fully concur with this statement.
 
2013-06-25 10:56:58 AM  
I wanted Lindy. Not too sure about Torts.

If the team is truly being blown up, it'll nearly certainly lead to a poor season ahead. With the pressure cooker media of Vancouver, torts is certain to lose his shiat more than once. At least there will be comedy between showings of failure.
 
2013-06-25 07:12:00 PM  
Torts can say the right things all he dang well pleases (or have the words put into his mouth by ownership/management), but it means nothing unless it sinks in with the team and players, and the long-suffering fans of Canuck Nation (of which I am proudly one) finally see our team hoist the Stanley Cup and raise the corresponding banner to the rafters.

Needless to say the next few months will be interesting, as we have the draft and free agency. I am quite surprised that Philly is the only team that has used both of their Compliance Buyouts already, as I would have thought most teams would have jumped at the chance to cut the fat from their teams without affecting the salary cap (including the Canucks with Ballard and Booth).

Hopefully the Canucks draft well this year and actually keep the good prospects and get the best player available, as there is a history with this team of them not picking the clearly best player available or trading or our drafted players for less than market value. If they can change THAT mindset, then there will be great years ahead.
 
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