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2013-06-24 03:21:17 PM
I don't worry, I hope they keep running their selfish xenophobic asses into obscurity with a big grin on my face.

/no clicky. Screw you if you have a problem with it being a commented thread now.
 
2013-06-24 03:22:11 PM
I wish the Republican party offered sober, sane and cogent policies.

They don't.
 
2013-06-24 03:24:07 PM
What, me worry?

grdurand.com
 
2013-06-24 03:24:09 PM
Worried in the same way as we worry about the future of Lindsay Lohan.
 
2013-06-24 03:24:52 PM
Despite what you may believe democrats (and liberals) believe, we don't like the idea of a one party system. It doesn't work and leaves nothing to argue a counter point. We do need a viable Republican party, if for no other reason than to counter our arguments and have thoughtful, logical, and reasonable discussions about the issues at hand. We don't like where the GOP is going. We don't like the hate and froth that comes froth from your frontmen. We look back at the days when being a Republican meant something more....noble than it does now. When you were the party of Lincoln, who freed the slaves and united the country once more, or the party of Roosevelt, who saved our most precious resources, our forests and wildlife, while also ushering in an age of American dominance that we have seen dwindle under more recent Republican presidencies. We look to a time where it was not shameful to call yourself a republican or a democrat. Where we did not completely demonize the other side because they were a different party.

What we miss most of all, is that the logic that freed the slaves is now the hate that tries to put them back in chains, to put anyone who can't buy our ways out back in chains
 
2013-06-24 03:26:01 PM
worry? fark that; i'm enjoying the schadenfreude.
 
2013-06-24 03:31:03 PM
Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.
 
2013-06-24 03:31:45 PM
What, me, worry?
 
2013-06-24 03:32:44 PM
Sometimes I think that becoming a Republican and voting for the most hard-right candidates is the best plan. Then we can ensure the collapse of the nation comes as quickly as possible.

Other times I think that becoming a Republican and voting for the most moderate/lefty candidates is the best plan. Then we can try and push the GOP to become a respectable party that doesn't parrot big money's talking points.
 
2013-06-24 03:33:06 PM
Democrats do worry about the future of the Republican party; without them moving the Overton Window right the Dems might actually have to court voters instead of just saying, "well, we're the Never Make Things Better party but the Republicans are the Always Make Things Worse party, better vote for us!"
 
2013-06-24 03:34:52 PM
lulz
 
2013-06-24 03:35:15 PM

Serious Black: Sometimes I think that becoming a Republican and voting for the most hard-right candidates is the best plan. Then we can ensure the collapse of the nation comes as quickly as possible.

Other times I think that becoming a Republican and voting for the most moderate/lefty candidates is the best plan. Then we can try and push the GOP to become a respectable party that doesn't parrot big money's talking points.



I think this is the same argument Germany's communists made with regard to the National Socialists winning a few seats.  "That will shock the German people back to their senses, and freedom and equality will be right around the corner!"
 
2013-06-24 03:36:05 PM
Tears of laughter, maybe
 
2013-06-24 03:36:34 PM

DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.


I tried arguing with a guy who considers property rights to be sacred about why he should support letting same-sex couples get married, and I focused on how it deprives those couples of property rights. His response was that I was a disingenuous whore because I was making arguments that he thought I wouldn't agree with the week prior.
 
2013-06-24 03:37:05 PM

FlashHarry: worry? fark that; i'm enjoying the schadenfreude.


Yep. My tears are tears of joy.
 
2013-06-24 03:37:14 PM

CSM101: Tears of laughter, maybe


I was thinking joy, but laughter works too.
 
2013-06-24 03:37:41 PM
Sadly, if the Republican party disintegrates, the farking Tea Party will swoop in to fill the void.  Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum.
 
2013-06-24 03:37:54 PM

Lurking Fear: I hope they keep running their selfish xenophobic asses into obscurity


I'll have an order of that, with fries on the side.
 
2013-06-24 03:37:56 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Democrats do worry about the future of the Republican party; without them moving the Overton Window right the Dems might actually have to court voters instead of just saying, "well, we're the Never Make Things Better party but the Republicans are the Always Make Things Worse party, better vote for us!"


I suppose you're okay with the New America Foundation's plan to wildly expand Social Security and Nick Hanauer's plan to double the minimum wage?
 
2013-06-24 03:38:14 PM

DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.


Perhaps. But Rangel is not wrong. The Southern Strategy already lost blacks for the GOP, and their immigration stance is losing Hispanics for them. If they insist on alienating the fastest-growing demographics, their future does not look bright.
 
2013-06-24 03:38:37 PM
Dems set the deck. Get the populace hooked on freebies and not having to work, then suddenly grow the population and offer even more freebies.

Republicans don't stand a chance.
 
2013-06-24 03:38:59 PM
I worry considerably, that they will die a slow, agonizing, torturous death instead of the quick, agonizing, torturous death they deserve.
 
2013-06-24 03:39:42 PM

somedude210: Despite what you may believe democrats (and liberals) believe, we don't like the idea of a one party system. It doesn't work and leaves nothing to argue a counter point. We do need a viable Republican party, if for no other reason than to counter our arguments and have thoughtful, logical, and reasonable discussions about the issues at hand. We don't like where the GOP is going. We don't like the hate and froth that comes froth from your frontmen. We look back at the days when being a Republican meant something more....noble than it does now. When you were the party of Lincoln, who freed the slaves and united the country once more, or the party of Roosevelt, who saved our most precious resources, our forests and wildlife, while also ushering in an age of American dominance that we have seen dwindle under more recent Republican presidencies. We look to a time where it was not shameful to call yourself a republican or a democrat. Where we did not completely demonize the other side because they were a different party.

What we miss most of all, is that the logic that freed the slaves is now the hate that tries to put them back in chains, to put anyone who can't buy our ways out back in chains


One of my favorite Teddy Roosevelt quotes is from one of his state of the union addresses, in which he talks about the need for Federal laws against child labor in the South.  There's no way he'd be welcome in today's Republican Party.
 
2013-06-24 03:40:09 PM
I hope the GOP implodes quicker. I don't think it's going to fix itself until things get really bad for them. The teatards think everyone else is the problem and the few sane Republicans that haven't bailed already are too afraid to tell the teatards to shut the fark up.

Maybe if the GOP nominates some nutball like Palin or Santorum and they only get like 30ish% of the vote then they will do some real soul searching. Until then they won't. They are not reality based people who think things through logically. If they can come up with a BS rationalization they will.
 
2013-06-24 03:40:14 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Dems set the deck. Get the populace hooked on freebies and not having to work, then suddenly grow the population and offer even more freebies.

Republicans don't stand a chance.


1/10.  You didn't earn the 1 point, but apparently you like freebies, so there you go.
 
2013-06-24 03:40:27 PM

Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Democrats do worry about the future of the Republican party; without them moving the Overton Window right the Dems might actually have to court voters instead of just saying, "well, we're the Never Make Things Better party but the Republicans are the Always Make Things Worse party, better vote for us!"

I suppose you're okay with the New America Foundation's plan to wildly expand Social Security and Nick Hanauer's plan to double the minimum wage?


They're good starts.
 
2013-06-24 03:40:30 PM
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sterilization is the only answer. the party must become pure.
 
2013-06-24 03:41:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

Perhaps. But Rangel is not wrong. The Southern Strategy already lost blacks for the GOP, and their immigration stance is losing Hispanics for them. If they insist on alienating the fastest-growing demographics, their future does not look bright.


But at least the Republicans let blacks off the plantation!
 
2013-06-24 03:41:23 PM

Serious Black: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

I tried arguing with a guy who considers property rights to be sacred about why he should support letting same-sex couples get married, and I focused on how it deprives those couples of property rights. His response was that I was a disingenuous whore because I was making arguments that he thought I wouldn't agree with the week prior.


So him being inconsistent with his beliefs is ok because you don't agree with them? Huh?
 
2013-06-24 03:41:26 PM

HeartBurnKid: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

Perhaps. But Rangel is not wrong. The Southern Strategy already lost blacks for the GOP, and their immigration stance is losing Hispanics for them. If they insist on alienating the fastest-growing demographics, their future does not look bright.


Well, their future matches their members then.
 
2013-06-24 03:41:41 PM

coeyagi: I worry considerably, that they will die a slow, agonizing, torturous death instead of the quick, agonizing, torturous death they deserve.


"Please select mode of death: quick and painless, or slow and horrible."

pool.theinfosphere.org
 
2013-06-24 03:42:01 PM
Well based on the comment section, they still aren't getting it.

The GOP is reactionary, thinking short term and most of their members don't give a shiat about the party anymore. They don't need the party for fundraising, they don't need the party to get things passed (because they don't want anything passed), and they're not going anywhere because they're in safe districts.

They're going to be left with a bunch of "independent" republicans representing backwoods retards, because even the rich can only stomach so much. There will be no viable national party, because they've found out that attacking each other to prove who is more right wing shores up their base more than attacking democrats. The base is of course rapidly dying. Once the math ceases to make sense the last crew of hucksters in the room will cash out and turn off the lights.
 
2013-06-24 03:42:31 PM
Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the Republican Party saying, "Closed to non-white people." And we had never heard of a party closed to non-whites before, and with tears in our eyes, we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put our votes.

We didn't find one.
 
2013-06-24 03:42:43 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Dems set the deck. Get the populace hooked on freebies and not having to work, then suddenly grow the population and offer even more freebies.

Republicans don't stand a chance.


And things like tax cuts are not "Freebies" how exactly?

Actually Obama has cut the deficit from the large deficit passed by Bush.
 
2013-06-24 03:43:44 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Dems set the deck. Get the populace hooked on freebies and not having to work, then suddenly grow the population and offer even more freebies.

Republicans don't stand a chance.


Some people might think you are serious. To those people, I say: WTF, y'all?
 
2013-06-24 03:44:07 PM

DarnoKonrad: I think this is the same argument Germany's communists made with regard to the National Socialists winning a few seats.  "That will shock the German people back to their senses, and freedom and equality will be right around the corner!"


They were right. Of course, one of the first things Hitler did once he took power was to round up the Communists and shoot all their leaders, so when the Germans came around, there were no Communists left.
 
2013-06-24 03:44:34 PM

Corvus: Serious Black: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

I tried arguing with a guy who considers property rights to be sacred about why he should support letting same-sex couples get married, and I focused on how it deprives those couples of property rights. His response was that I was a disingenuous whore because I was making arguments that he thought I wouldn't agree with the week prior.

So him being inconsistent with his beliefs is ok because you don't agree with them? Huh?


I believe his argument was that I was inconsistent on property rights so he shouldn't listen to me whatsoever because only consistent people are worth listening to.
 
2013-06-24 03:45:01 PM
As long as their are ignorant people who don't realize they are voting against their own best interests the Republican party will be able to hang around.  Unfortunately, I don't see this changing anytime soon.
 
2013-06-24 03:45:11 PM

Corvus: Kangaroo_Ralph: Dems set the deck. Get the populace hooked on freebies and not having to work, then suddenly grow the population and offer even more freebies.

Republicans don't stand a chance.

And things like tax cuts are not "Freebies" how exactly?

Actually Obama has cut the deficit from the large deficit passed by Bush.


But we were told that Fartbillabong was the spendiest spender ever to fart from the Fortress of Derpitude in Mombassa!
 
2013-06-24 03:46:01 PM

Serious Black: Corvus: Serious Black: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

I tried arguing with a guy who considers property rights to be sacred about why he should support letting same-sex couples get married, and I focused on how it deprives those couples of property rights. His response was that I was a disingenuous whore because I was making arguments that he thought I wouldn't agree with the week prior.

So him being inconsistent with his beliefs is ok because you don't agree with them? Huh?

I believe his argument was that I was inconsistent on property rights so he shouldn't listen to me whatsoever because only consistent people are worth listening to.


But that has nothing to do with him being inconsistent with his own beliefs. You believing something has no baring on that. Sounds to me that he was just looking for a cop-out to not have to defend his inconsistencies.
 
2013-06-24 03:47:24 PM
The GOP's a lost cause... We need a true Liberal/Center Left party to emerge and let the Democrats continue to control the Center Right.

Having said that, the GOP isn't going anywhere, unfortunately. There will always be a demand for a regressive, right wing party for the xenophobes, racists, plutocrats, regressive morons, and religious ideologues to cling to.
 
2013-06-24 03:47:43 PM

Pincy: As long as their are ignorant people who don't realize they are voting against their own best interests the Republican party will be able to hang around.  Unfortunately, I don't see this changing anytime soon.


Just keep shouting out "Obama's going to take your guns" and "Abortion" so they will not pay attention to that.
 
2013-06-24 03:49:18 PM
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2013-06-24 03:49:45 PM

Arkanaut: HeartBurnKid: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

Perhaps. But Rangel is not wrong. The Southern Strategy already lost blacks for the GOP, and their immigration stance is losing Hispanics for them. If they insist on alienating the fastest-growing demographics, their future does not look bright.

But at least the Republicans let blacks off the plantation!


You know, you'd think that'd be a wake-up call, wouldn't you? 90% or so of blacks wouldn't piss on the GOP if they were on fire, despite the fact that the GOP's first president ever freed them from slavery. Shouldn't that be an indicator that the GOP has gone horribly wrong somewhere?
 
2013-06-24 03:49:50 PM

Corvus: Serious Black: Corvus: Serious Black: DamnYankees: Democrats want to pass the bill, so they are trying to make any argument they can. Big deal.

I tried arguing with a guy who considers property rights to be sacred about why he should support letting same-sex couples get married, and I focused on how it deprives those couples of property rights. His response was that I was a disingenuous whore because I was making arguments that he thought I wouldn't agree with the week prior.

So him being inconsistent with his beliefs is ok because you don't agree with them? Huh?

I believe his argument was that I was inconsistent on property rights so he shouldn't listen to me whatsoever because only consistent people are worth listening to.

But that has nothing to do with him being inconsistent with his own beliefs. You believing something has no baring on that. Sounds to me that he was just looking for a cop-out to not have to defend his inconsistencies.


Oh, I know you're right on that front.
 
2013-06-24 03:50:29 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Democrats do worry about the future of the Republican party; without them moving the Overton Window right the Dems might actually have to court voters instead of just saying, "well, we're the Never Make Things Better party but the Republicans are the Always Make Things Worse party, better vote for us!"

I suppose you're okay with the New America Foundation's plan to wildly expand Social Security and Nick Hanauer's plan to double the minimum wage?

They're good starts.


Good starts meaning what? They should do more to ratchet the Overton window back to the left?
 
2013-06-24 03:50:40 PM
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2013-06-24 03:51:58 PM
When Fox News is the most trusted (and also least trusted) news channel, 22% of Americans get their news from Fox News and has been proven in 7 studies to produce the least informed viewers, your democracy might be in danger of having an electorate as ill-informed to cast a ballot as Sarah Palin is to lead a seminar at CERN.
 
2013-06-24 03:54:00 PM

bloobeary: Lurking Fear: I hope they keep running their selfish xenophobic asses into obscurity

I'll have an order of that, with Freedom fries on the side.


Republicanized that for you.
 
2013-06-24 03:54:50 PM

Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Democrats do worry about the future of the Republican party; without them moving the Overton Window right the Dems might actually have to court voters instead of just saying, "well, we're the Never Make Things Better party but the Republicans are the Always Make Things Worse party, better vote for us!"

I suppose you're okay with the New America Foundation's plan to wildly expand Social Security and Nick Hanauer's plan to double the minimum wage?

They're good starts.

Good starts meaning what? They should do more to ratchet the Overton window back to the left?


...yes? They're good starts, that is what I am saying. I am also noting that there is conspicuously no actual Democratic support for these policy measures. I have a plan to reshape the entire economy along socialist lines; so farking what?
 
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