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(WTOP)   Good news, rich Virginians. Now not only do you get to enjoy your own taxpayer-funded express lanes to bypass traffic, but you get to drive faster in them than normal people, too   (wtop.com) divider line 79
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2013-06-24 03:17:17 PM
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/Appropriate
 
2013-06-24 03:31:32 PM
So, wait. If they're "taxpayer funded," then how are they for "rich Virginians"?
 
2013-06-24 03:57:55 PM
Motorcycles and cars with 3 or more occupants pay nothing to use the express lanes.
 
2013-06-24 04:02:12 PM
those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.
 
2013-06-24 04:08:54 PM

Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.


Those farking HOT lanes are going to go from the 395/95 split to Garrisonville within the next couple of years.

And they've destroyed traffic in Stafford to make sure you can pay for the pleasure.
 
2013-06-24 04:13:45 PM
Virginia People Problems.....

/Try building infrastructure you doofuses. Only 2 major highways in and out of DC and little beyond that is your OWN FARKING FAULT.
/"COMMON"wealth indeed.
 
2013-06-24 04:14:09 PM

Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.


It wouldn't be necessary if DC residents didn't shut down construction of the inner loop in the 60s and 70s.
 
2013-06-24 04:15:16 PM
I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

/that's bs, and my state is refunding 1.2b to taxpayers this year.  Yet there's one highway where some obscure foreign company is making a profit on your travels.
 
2013-06-24 04:15:45 PM

jigger: Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.

It wouldn't be necessary if DC residents didn't shut down construction of the inner loop in the 60s and 70s.


Yeah, wasn't 95 supposed to go through DC instead of around it?
 
2013-06-24 04:16:58 PM
Are those lanes generally not available to people just passing though / require pre-registration for the toll booth scanner or something? That headline is just painful to parse. Haven't been through there in 5 years or so.
 
2013-06-24 04:17:00 PM
In related news, it's hilarious how empty the ICC is at rush hour.
 
2013-06-24 04:18:03 PM

ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.


My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.
 
2013-06-24 04:18:14 PM
Wow.  65mph for the express lanes.

That's like the normal posted speed for most highways in our state - and 70mph for some.

I guess you guys in Virginia aren't in a rush to get anywhere.
 
2013-06-24 04:21:28 PM

kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.


I pay way more than $2 and I rarely get more than 5 minutes.

/though that might be more my fault
 
2013-06-24 04:21:45 PM
The 85mph road near me laughs and passes this in the right hand lane.
 
2013-06-24 04:21:52 PM
You miss the point subby... the point of the express lanes is to encourage carpooling and motorcycle use while still allowing other people to access the lanes if they pay to do so. Think of it like HOV than you can pay to use if you don't have enough people.
 
2013-06-24 04:22:18 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.

Those farking HOT lanes are going to go from the 395/95 split to Garrisonville within the next couple of years.

And they've destroyed traffic in Stafford to make sure you can pay for the pleasure.


I grew up in Stafford and it was the highlight of my life to see it in the rearview mirror.
You all can keep NOVA.
 
2013-06-24 04:23:30 PM

FirstNationalBastard: jigger: Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.

It wouldn't be necessary if DC residents didn't shut down construction of the inner loop in the 60s and 70s.

Yeah, wasn't 95 supposed to go through DC instead of around it?


It was supposed to go around it, through it, over it, at odd angles, etc. There were originally going to be two loops and a kind of criss cross through the middle. Now, 395 kinda just ends at New York Ave. and that's it. That 295 spur was supposed to be part of the inner loop but now it's just a connector.
 
2013-06-24 04:24:12 PM

SirEattonHogg: Wow.  65mph for the express lanes.

That's like the normal posted speed for most highways in our state - and 70mph for some.

I guess you guys in Virginia aren't in a rush to get anywhere.


must be nice having roads that aren't clogged with commuters and idiot tourists.
 
2013-06-24 04:25:47 PM
California has a similar HOV/toll lane on I-15. Dynamically priced based on demand. Free for 2 or more occupants. It's usually just a buck to go from 78 all the way to 163. Most I've ever paid was $8 one way, and still worth it.

I use it even when there's no need to, since its lightly used and blocked off from the rest of the highway. And CHP generally looks the other way if you keep it below 80.
 
2013-06-24 04:28:24 PM

kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.


That is pretty nice/convenient for her, but could you detail her carbon footprint?  And also be sure to include the construction cost of said highway.  And the persons employed by the highway and their travel costs/meetings/training, etc.  What about the loss of usage for the rest of the population?  Isn't that highway pretty much empty?  What about the costs associated with upgrading other by-ways?
/seriously, $1-2/day might not seem like much to you but it's food to someone else.
 
2013-06-24 04:30:35 PM

ski9600: kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.

That is pretty nice/convenient for her, but could you detail her carbon footprint?  And also be sure to include the construction cost of said highway.  And the persons employed by the highway and their travel costs/meetings/training, etc.  What about the loss of usage for the rest of the population?  Isn't that highway pretty much empty?  What about the costs associated with upgrading other by-ways?
/seriously, $1-2/day might not seem like much to you but it's food to someone else.


I can get at least one thing off of the dollar menu, maybe two, depending on how this all plays out.
 
2013-06-24 04:33:13 PM

ski9600: kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.

That is pretty nice/convenient for her, but could you detail her carbon footprint?  And also be sure to include the construction cost of said highway.  And the persons employed by the highway and their travel costs/meetings/training, etc.  What about the loss of usage for the rest of the population?  Isn't that highway pretty much empty?  What about the costs associated with upgrading other by-ways?
/seriously, $1-2/day might not seem like much to you but it's food to someone else.


+2
 
2013-06-24 04:35:14 PM

ComicBookGuy: In related news, it's hilarious how empty the ICC is at rush hour.


The ICC is beautiful.  Decorative concrete sound walls, well maintained, it cost an absolute fortune.  It would be nice if the people were actually able to use it after paying so much for it.

Maryland and Virginia - the "fark you, pay me" states.
 
2013-06-24 04:36:15 PM
But you still can have only 12 items or less.
 
2013-06-24 04:42:30 PM

ComicBookGuy: In related news, it's hilarious how empty the ICC is at rush hour.


Yeah it is a ghost town. For years they biatch about how they need it and months before it opens they say it will be a toll road. I took it the week it was free it was fun got me to work 30 min faster, but not worth the $4. Ill take 198 TYVM
 
2013-06-24 04:43:10 PM
The express lanes are a colossal boondoggle and remain largely unused. They gum up the traffic at the on/off ramps. It is of little or no use unless you want to get from Burke to Tyson's Corner. If people were using it, they wouldn't need to advertise it so heavily on the radio.

Plus VDOT completely dicked up the 495/66 interchange. The new design has both the 66E and 66W sharing the same ramp. Since 66W is gridlocked in the evenings, that backs up the shared ramp so you're stuck in traffic to get on to 66E even when 66E is wide open. It can back up for a mile or more. And that whole project is "complete" so this farked up situation is how it will be for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-06-24 04:44:29 PM
I like the tolled express lanes on 95 in Miami. Southbound from Golden Glades to just past 112/195, we can easily (and always seem to) go 30+ mph faster than the mainline.

Now, if only they extended it northward to, oh, let's say Port St Lucie...
 
2013-06-24 04:46:35 PM
The_Original_Roxtar:   65mph for the express lanes.

That's like the normal posted speed for most highways in our state - and 70mph for some.

I guess you guys in Virginia aren't in a rush to get anywhere.


must be nice having roads that aren't clogged with commuters and idiot tourists.

Not exactly. Our highways get somewhat clogged (just a little).

I think it doesn't help that your local Dept of Transportation posts speeds at 55mph, which many major metropolitan areas have dispensed with.
 
2013-06-24 04:48:07 PM

Kellner21: I like the tolled express lanes on 95 in Miami. Southbound from Golden Glades to just past 112/195, we can easily (and always seem to) go 30+ mph faster than the mainline.

Now, if only they extended it northward to, oh, let's say Port St Lucie...


Though it is funny when there's an accident on the express lanes and they end up being slower than the free lanes.

The express lanes in Miami, FWIW, are not only generally faster than the regular lanes, but they've also made the regular lanes themselves faster. Win/win. Hoping the same thing happens when they're finished on I-595 in Fort Lauderdale.
 
2013-06-24 04:48:21 PM

ski9600: kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.

That is pretty nice/convenient for her, but could you detail her carbon footprint?  And also be sure to include the construction cost of said highway.  And the persons employed by the highway and their travel costs/meetings/training, etc.  What about the loss of usage for the rest of the population?  Isn't that highway pretty much empty?  What about the costs associated with upgrading other by-ways?
/seriously, $1-2/day might not seem like much to you but it's food to someone else.


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Maybe borrow money from your parents if you want to take the toll road!
 
2013-06-24 04:49:43 PM

uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.


But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?
 
2013-06-24 04:50:59 PM

offacue: uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.

But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?


Are they for your dog or the girl tied up in the basement?
 
2013-06-24 04:53:47 PM

ski9600: kronicfeld: ski9600: I will not vote for any bill that results in tolls.

My wife pays an extra dollar or two per day to shave 20 minutes or more each way off what used to be a 60-90 minute commute. That's a hell of a good deal.

That is pretty nice/convenient for her, but could you detail her carbon footprint?  And also be sure to include the construction cost of said highway.  And the persons employed by the highway and their travel costs/meetings/training, etc.  What about the loss of usage for the rest of the population?  Isn't that highway pretty much empty?  What about the costs associated with upgrading other by-ways?
/seriously, $1-2/day might not seem like much to you but it's food to someone else.


In general, I would think that the people to whom $1-$2 a day makes a difference in food survival are not living in the suburbs and commuting 60-90 minutes.
 
2013-06-24 04:54:03 PM
If all lanes do not have equally distributed traffic, total throughput is reduced causing more traffic. (The carpooling upswing is negligible)

Y'all trolls driving in a troll lane
 
2013-06-24 04:55:25 PM
Also good news for non-rich Virginians.
 
2013-06-24 04:56:14 PM
Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning.  Strangely enough, when you take away money from road maintenance, the roads fall into disrepair.  Who knew?
 
2013-06-24 04:56:17 PM

offacue: uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.

But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?


People love me when I point out that their box of eggs is 12 items.
 
2013-06-24 04:57:13 PM

groppet: got me to work 30 min faster, but not worth the $4


You don't make $8/hour? Do you live in Burkina Faso?
 
2013-06-24 04:59:09 PM

Frankentots: Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning.  Strangely enough, when you take away money from road maintenance, the roads fall into disrepair.  Who knew?


The biggest problem with toll roads is that they are promised as a cost that will eventually disappear but never do.
 
2013-06-24 05:00:03 PM

Frankentots: Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning.


You don't have to do that. You could kill yourself today.
 
2013-06-24 05:02:18 PM

redmid17: Frankentots: Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning.  Strangely enough, when you take away money from road maintenance, the roads fall into disrepair.  Who knew?

The biggest problem with toll roads is that they are promised as a cost that will eventually disappear but never do.


They did in Kentucky.  For now...   There's a current robust law forcing them to be eliminated when construction bonds are payed.  But we'll see if it survives all the big issues with all the Ohio River bridges.
 
2013-06-24 05:02:33 PM
I pay it to get home, I just started using it last week, still gotta figure out if its worth it, half hour early as opposed to an hour.
 
2013-06-24 05:03:15 PM

12349876: redmid17: Frankentots: Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning.  Strangely enough, when you take away money from road maintenance, the roads fall into disrepair.  Who knew?

The biggest problem with toll roads is that they are promised as a cost that will eventually disappear but never do.

They did in Kentucky.  For now...   There's a current robust law forcing them to be eliminated when construction bonds are payed.  But we'll see if it survives all the big issues with all the Ohio River bridges.


You're lucky. Illinois never saw a source of revenue it didn't like.
 
2013-06-24 05:06:04 PM

catpuncher: Maryland and Virginia - the "fark you, pay me" states.


Holy shiat, true. I lived in VA from 85-99, and if you owned a car, this is how it went:

Pay your yearly tags (like everyone else does)

Pay "personal property tax" on your car to the city you live in

Pay the city an additional $50 for a sticker that shows you paid your tax, so the cops won't pull you over

Pay $35/yr to get your car "inspected", most of these guys wouldn't check out anything if your car looked OK, just collect the money

That's just if you owned a car...
 
2013-06-24 05:08:18 PM

12349876: The biggest problem with toll roads is that they are promised as a cost that will eventually disappear but never do.


i was shocked when they stopped collecting tolls on the Coronado bridge when it was paid off....

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2013-06-24 05:16:14 PM

uncleacid: offacue: uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.

But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?

People love me when I point out that their box of eggs is 12 items.


That means your case of beer is 24 items.
 
2013-06-24 05:26:02 PM

Cewley: those lanes are owned and maintained by australian company transurban. anything to speed up traffic around washington, or any other traffic-jammed area, is ok by me. paying for this convenience is the what we'll  see more of in the future.

BMFPitt: Also good news for non-rich Virginians.


Except that it does nothing for those outside the Zil lanes.  The only good measure is to kill the Zil lane with fire and extend the normal highway onto it with the higher limit.


Frankentots: Anti-toll assholes are the reason why I have to drive on the crater-filled minefield that's the I-264 every morning. Strangely enough, when you take away money from road maintenance, the roads fall into disrepair. Who knew?


The Zil lanes are why you don't have that maintenance.  Get rid of them all and there will be enough money for maintaining the road.
 
2013-06-24 05:31:10 PM

offacue: uncleacid: offacue: uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.

But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?

People love me when I point out that their box of eggs is 12 items.

That means your case of beer is 24 items.


My big bag of hersheys kisses is like ninety eight items.
 
2013-06-24 05:31:22 PM

uncleacid: offacue: uncleacid: But you still can have only 12 items or less.

But the 7 cans of dog food count as 1.  Right?

People love me when I point out that their box of eggs is 12 items.


1 item = 1 barcode

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