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2013-06-24 11:37:20 AM  
Given the cost to retro-fit an airplane with the smaller seats and 1" less leg room.  Is it really worthwhile to dump the money into an airplane on the chance of selling 5 more seats?
 
2013-06-24 11:38:17 AM  
Fat people problems.
 
2013-06-24 11:43:02 AM  
Why don't they just stack us on shelves or in drawers?
 
2013-06-24 11:55:40 AM  

BizarreMan: Given the cost to retro-fit an airplane with the smaller seats and 1" less leg room.  Is it really worthwhile to dump the money into an airplane on the chance of selling 5 more seats?


This is more about new airliners. And why in the fark are airlines trying to make flying more shiatty? It's almost like they want to go out of business.
 
2013-06-24 11:57:57 AM  
And Leon's getting larger
 
2013-06-24 12:11:33 PM  

dj_bigbird: And why in the fark are airlines trying to make flying more shiatty?


What are you going to do, take a train to Los Angeles? Maybe a zepplin? Just squish back and "enjoy" your flight already, fatty.
 
2013-06-24 01:14:01 PM  
Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.
 
2013-06-24 01:39:39 PM  

xynix: Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.


I don't fly as often as you, but it sounds like I'm roughly your size and don't remember having any particular difficulty when I've flown.  Maybe it varies a lot, I'd have to defer to you on that.
 
2013-06-24 01:40:47 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dj_bigbird: And why in the fark are airlines trying to make flying more shiatty?

What are you going to do, take a train to Los Angeles? Maybe a zepplin? Just squish back and "enjoy" your flight already, fatty.


It's not me that I worry about so much as the fatty that's going to take up half my seat.
 
2013-06-24 01:43:35 PM  

BizarreMan: Given the cost to retro-fit an airplane with the smaller seats and 1" less leg room.  Is it really worthwhile to dump the money into an airplane on the chance of selling 5 more seats?


That was more about the new Airbus, who is slightly wider than the 787.  Airbus is saying that with the extra wideness, plus dropping seats from 18" to 17" wide, you can fit in an extra row and that's why airlines should buy their new plane instead of the 787.
 
2013-06-24 01:44:56 PM  

xynix: Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.


Surely, they'll have to stagger the seats. According to the Internet, the average man is 5'10" and has 18 1/4" shoulders. That seems pretty wimpy; I'm thinking the average has got to be  at least 19". But it doesn't matter; already, two average men can't sit next to each other without someone leaning over.
Of course, staggering seats doesn't solve the problem for people who are just plain fat. In fact, for the "two seat" crowd, that makes things worse.
 
2013-06-24 01:47:54 PM  
Hey greedy airline morans, people are getting fatter, not skinnier. It's bad enough as it is when I have gross sweaty fat people's fat pouring into my seat and their blubber takes up half my seat. A fix to this issue would be to have a solid partition under the armrest so their fat can't get thru.
 
2013-06-24 01:58:38 PM  
Oh, and this isn't just for new jets. American Airlines is adding seats to it's fleet of 737's and MD80's.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/13/191375752/american-ai rl ines-to-add-more-seats-to-737s-md-80s

i.dailymail.co.uk
Caption: American Airlines executives Donald Carty (left) Michael Gunn demonstrate the current coach seating in American jet


There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.
It looks more like this:
static2.businessinsider.com Caption: American Airlines International Economy Class. Flight time: 9 hours.
 
2013-06-24 01:59:38 PM  
i162.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-24 02:09:52 PM  

Walker: There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.


TIL American Airlines Executives are all required to be midgets.
 
2013-06-24 02:23:25 PM  
seriously.. i'm a normal sized guy. 5'10"ish, 185lbs, i hike every freaking weekend, i work out, i'm fit - and airplane seats are already farking cramped.
 
2013-06-24 02:24:21 PM  
www.travelsnitch.org

/oblig
 
2013-06-24 02:36:35 PM  

Kazan: seriously.. i'm a normal sized guy. 5'10"ish, 185lbs, i hike every freaking weekend, i work out, i'm fit - and airplane seats are already farking cramped.


Two weeks ago, I was wedged into an AirBus seat for a 2 1/2 hour flight. Three weeks later, my back is still hurting.
 
2013-06-24 02:37:11 PM  
Dominatrices worldwide look at airlines and say "too far."
 
2013-06-24 02:38:33 PM  

Relatively Obscure: xynix: Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.

I don't fly as often as you, but it sounds like I'm roughly your size and don't remember having any particular difficulty when I've flown.  Maybe it varies a lot, I'd have to defer to you on that.


I'm a broad (as in size, not woman) 6' 250# and while it's a tight-ish fit, I'm definitely not stuffed into my seat, nor spilling onto the aisle or other people. Methinks the 160 guy was exaggerating a bit.
 
2013-06-24 02:40:08 PM  

Walker: Oh, and this isn't just for new jets. American Airlines is adding seats to it's fleet of 737's and MD80's.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/13/191375752/american-ai rl ines-to-add-more-seats-to-737s-md-80s

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x286]
Caption: American Airlines executives Donald Carty (left) Michael Gunn demonstrate the current coach seating in American jet


There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.
It looks more like this:
[static2.businessinsider.com image 850x637] Caption: American Airlines International Economy Class. Flight time: 9 hours.


Seriously.  Are those guys 5'2" or something?  I'm 6-foot and my knees are ALWAYS squished against the seat in front of me.  God help me if the person in front puts his seat back--then I'm really screwed.

/Cheap-ass company I work for won't pay for any upgrades
//Unless it's a quick flight from Philly to Newark, I'll fork over the cash.  Emergency exit row, behind the bulkhead--anywhere I don't come away with bruises on my knees that I have to explain to my husband.
 
2013-06-24 02:45:01 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Kazan: seriously.. i'm a normal sized guy. 5'10"ish, 185lbs, i hike every freaking weekend, i work out, i'm fit - and airplane seats are already farking cramped.

Two weeks ago, I was wedged into an AirBus seat for a 2 1/2 hour flight. Three weeks later, my back is still hurting.


have you tried twist popping your back? arch stretching (touch your toes, push your back up)?
 
2013-06-24 03:06:15 PM  
"This seat is really tight."

/that's what she said
 
2013-06-24 03:07:41 PM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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2013-06-24 03:08:49 PM  

Walker: A fix to this issue would be to have a solid partition under the armrest so their fat can't get thru.


I like that.
 
2013-06-24 03:08:53 PM  
Maybe the asses are just getting larger.
 
2013-06-24 03:09:25 PM  

Relatively Obscure: xynix: Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.

I don't fly as often as you, but it sounds like I'm roughly your size and don't remember having any particular difficulty when I've flown.  Maybe it varies a lot, I'd have to defer to you on that.


The seats are small and uncomfortable but somehow I'm able to fit my 230 pound ass into it without spilling into my neighbor's seat.
 
2013-06-24 03:11:26 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Kazan: seriously.. i'm a normal sized guy. 5'10"ish, 185lbs, i hike every freaking weekend, i work out, i'm fit - and airplane seats are already farking cramped.

Two weeks ago, I was wedged into an AirBus seat for a 2 1/2 hour flight. Three weeks later, my back is still hurting.


How are you ever going to get to Mars with that kind of body? Sounds like we need a much better understanding of biology and the technology to fix it, hm?
 
2013-06-24 03:12:40 PM  
Finally a reason to be greatful for my almost non-existent shiny white arse.
 
2013-06-24 03:13:06 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: What are you going to do, take a train to Los Angeles?


Why not? If it's within 15 hours, I already drive rather than fly. Any further, I'll weigh the options of car vs. train.

I hated flying when i was skinny pre-9/11. Now that I'm tall, fat, and treated like a terrorist just for being in the airport? fark them. That's one industry that should never have been bailed out; maybe the few survivors would have been worth using.

If someone demands that I fly somewhere, they can also "demand" that I fly comfortably and upgrade me.
 
2013-06-24 03:13:35 PM  

sethen320: Maybe the asses are just getting larger.


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2013-06-24 03:13:54 PM  

Kazan: seriously.. i'm a normal sized guy. 5'10"ish, 185lbs, i hike every freaking weekend, i work out, i'm fit - and airplane seats are already farking cramped.


Only in America could 185 lbs while being only 5'10" be "normal sized".
 
2013-06-24 03:13:59 PM  
Walker:
There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.
It looks more like this:


Maybe if you didn't stuff an entire section worth of snacks from Hudson News in the seat back pocket it might feel a little better.
 
2013-06-24 03:14:54 PM  

meanmutton: Relatively Obscure: xynix: Not sure how much smaller they can get. I'm an average 5'11" at 160 pounds and barely have enough room as it is. I travel a lot though so get upgraded usually and don't have to put up with steerage compartments in most cases.

I don't fly as often as you, but it sounds like I'm roughly your size and don't remember having any particular difficulty when I've flown.  Maybe it varies a lot, I'd have to defer to you on that.

The seats are small and uncomfortable but somehow I'm able to fit my 230 pound ass into it without spilling into my neighbor's seat.


I don't doubt that you believe that. Unless you are a lean 230 lbs, you're over there. If you are lean, then your shoulders are probably over the line.
 
2013-06-24 03:15:16 PM  

BizarreMan: Given the cost to retro-fit an airplane with the smaller seats and 1" less leg room.  Is it really worthwhile to dump the money into an airplane on the chance of selling 5 more seats?


Let's do the math!

Let's say retrofitting costs $10,000 per plane. Let's say that adds 1 seat per row and one row per airplane. Let's say that adds 30 seats per plane. At $400 per seat per flight. That's approximately $12,000 additional dollars per flight. Let's say that plane does one flight per day for 20 years. That's approximately 7,300 total flights; bringing the total, per plane, to approximately $86 million; over the life of the plane.

/ assuming the majority of flights are full
 
2013-06-24 03:15:51 PM  
FTFA: "One inch in your seat does make a difference," says Emerson.
Yes, as demonstrated by the waistband of my jeans.

It's also possibly less noticeable than reduced legroom.
I promise you, it won't be. As the petite person who manages to always get the middle seat on every business trip, I PROMISE I will miss that 1". I already miss the 3-4" of my seat space that is generally taken by the people on either side of me because they seem to think because they're broader in the shoulder or wider in the middle, they can each have my armrest(s) and the couple of inches inside of that.
 
2013-06-24 03:16:15 PM  
"So every time you put more seats in the airplane the cost per seat mile goes down," says Arvai.
As a result, airlines also make more profit. So is Airbus's extra seat is a threat to Boeing's new Dreamliner?


While the thought of stepping into the hold of a flying slave ship is tantalizing, I suspect this plan will ultimately prove unfeasible.
 
2013-06-24 03:17:02 PM  

BunkoSquad: And Leon's getting larger


And that is where the thread became like Fire Island after labor day.

(fabulous voice) OveR!
 
2013-06-24 03:17:04 PM  

LessO2: Walker:
There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.
It looks more like this:

Maybe if you didn't stuff an entire section worth of snacks from Hudson News in the seat back pocket it might feel a little better.


If it's a 9 hour flight and your stuck in the window seat and you're flying American you better have a ton of snacks in your seat back or you'll starve.
 
2013-06-24 03:17:12 PM  
"More narrow"? Is that like "narrower"?
 
2013-06-24 03:19:06 PM  
5'10"
170

I fly a fair bit.  Maybe 8 to 10 airline trips per year.

I wouldn't call an airplane seat "comfortable", in the same way I'd describe my sofa at home, but they're not that bad.

Only time I ever had a real problem fitting into my seat was when I was in the middle seat wedged between two fatty fatty fats, both needing seat-belt extenders.  Full flight, couldn't be moved to another seat.  Endured 3 hours from LA to YVR with sweaty polyester-draped folds of flab intruding into my space from left and right.

(my fault for not doing my seat selection the night before the flight)

Other than that?  Meh.  Organize your stuff so it's within reach, plan ahead with snacks/drinks, bring a book, watch the movie and endure the mild discomfort for a few hours.  The people who are always oh-so-uncomfortable and make a fuss like they're being put in a cattle car to Auschwitz must be fatter than whales or they just don't have enough in their lives to complain about.
 
2013-06-24 03:19:25 PM  

BizarreMan: Given the cost to retro-fit an airplane with the smaller seats and 1" less leg room.  Is it really worthwhile to dump the money into an airplane on the chance of selling 5 more seats?


Re-configuring planes is easier and more common than you might think.

Airlines shrink seats, offer extra legroom for a fee
 
2013-06-24 03:20:21 PM  
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Throw some wings on it.
 
2013-06-24 03:21:40 PM  

bluenovaman: Finally a reason to be grateful for my almost non-existent shiny white arse.


why is it shiny .... never mind, I don't want to know

as a fellow thin person, I have to say that this is not the best thing ever.  While being able to fit into the seat is fine, we will have the added problem of fitting next to the persons who are not as svelt as we are.  Add to that, I am not a short person ... by a long shot, so any future flying experiences will more than likely be painful.  As someone else said, what else are you going to do, ride the train or get of a zepplin?  No, but alternative means of travel should soon be in production, once they are out of prototype stages and are not bought up by the airline industry to keep their monopolistic rapid transportation system at the top of the transport pyramid.
 
2013-06-24 03:22:10 PM  
You just know the airlines wont be happy until we're flying like this.

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2013-06-24 03:22:18 PM  

Walker: LessO2: Walker:
There's no F*CKING way that's how much legroom you get in current coach seating on American.
It looks more like this:

Maybe if you didn't stuff an entire section worth of snacks from Hudson News in the seat back pocket it might feel a little better.

If it's a 9 hour flight and your stuck in the window seat and you're flying American you better have a ton of snacks in your seat back or you'll starve.


Quit over-exaggerating.   If you're going to sit there for NINE HOURS and just feed your face, you're going to be like that dude in Sybarite's photo.

You know they feed you in economy for free on nine-hour international flights.

Airlines are stupid for cramming people in even more, but you don't need to embellish and mislead to make the point.
 
2013-06-24 03:22:23 PM  
Put the luggage in you seat and fly baggage.
 
2013-06-24 03:22:58 PM  
From the other airline seat thread -

media.treehugger.com
 
2013-06-24 03:25:35 PM  
Without trying to be snarky, how are they going to do this with so many Americans who are obese? With the current widths it's already a tight fit for moderately overweight people.
 
2013-06-24 03:25:52 PM  
I'm a thin enough guy, I don't mind narrower seats, but can we increase the gap between seats.

// or at least, sell the big folks some more expensive/wider seats, or put up some sort of partition so that they can't ooze into someone else's seat.
 
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