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(NPR)   Even by the most conservative estimates, rising sea levels will wipe Miami off the map by the end of the century, and there is nothing that can be done about it except live in denial. Well, good   (npr.org) divider line 299
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2013-06-24 01:15:53 PM  
One good result is that if Miami floods due to global warming, Republicans will be able to make it a red state and not a swing state.
 
2013-06-24 01:17:04 PM  

Cyno01: The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain.


That fact is wll known by people with more than half a brain.

Climate change is like evolution. You don't believe in evolution. You understand evolution.
 
2013-06-24 01:17:52 PM  
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

Learn to swim.
 
2013-06-24 01:18:03 PM  
wipe Miami off the map.  don't mind if i do
now where's that exist to Albequerque

completeoutrageredux.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-24 01:18:31 PM  
 
2013-06-24 01:18:38 PM  
In 1995, Carl Sagan was in the same room as Richard Dawkins at the University of Bern.

The meeting generated a super-charged plasma ball of incandescent smarmy douche that could power a city the size of Doncaster for two weeks.
 
2013-06-24 01:19:07 PM  
I'll just stay right here in the Lost City of Atlanta.

/It's not just a Delta hub.
 
2013-06-24 01:19:45 PM  

Cyno01: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...


Not sure if serious...
 
2013-06-24 01:20:18 PM  
Can the President please fark off with the "God's creation" cliche? Who is he targeting with that kind of language? And in what way does he think it bears any relevance to the problem of anthropogenic climate change, or even to the current state of science?
 
2013-06-24 01:20:46 PM  
By 'most conservative' estimates I presume they are still only taking estimates from left wing extremists? That's what I thought.
 
2013-06-24 01:22:00 PM  

cman: You want to talk about climate change? Fine. Get it out of the political arena.


We will have to take large-scale action to mitigate the effects of climate change (we're pretty much past the point of preventing it). That means political solutions.

cman: Climate change is a problem. If you don't believe me, then believe Carl Sagan, who was a political socialist, and he advocated the use of nuclear power as a way to help ease climate change. Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.


The concept of using nuclear reactors to generate power isn't really a left-right issue among people who seriously discuss these things. The left-right breakdown seems to come when you ask questions like "how should we regulate this potentially dangerous activity?". I'd have no problem at all with the radical expansion of nuclear energy, but first I'd like regulatory agencies that aren't subsidiaries of the companies they supposedly oversee, and I'd also like some sort of comprehensive permanent solution as to how we're going to store radioactive waste.
 
2013-06-24 01:22:41 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?


I was thinking about that just this morning.  This is Ahalanui Park:
i105.photobucket.com
A concrete wall separates this pond from the ocean.  The wall is low enough that waves crash above it at high tide; that and rainfall keep the pond replenished.  The water is constantly warmed to about 90 degrees F, and is the most relaxing natural hot pond I have ever visited.

A rise in sea level will drown this place, and that will be a tragic loss.
 
2013-06-24 01:22:44 PM  
A huge crock of shiat.
 
2013-06-24 01:22:53 PM  

MoonPirate: Denial is in Egypt but yeah, very similar conditions.


Damn you...
 
2013-06-24 01:22:57 PM  
Favorite quote:  "When it rains, there's a lot of water."

Sea levels rise and fall.  Britain used to be connected to continental europe.  The Mediterranean has flooded and dried up a number of times.  Central US used to be a shallow sea.  Climate warms and cools.  People complain.  So why should I be concerned?
 
2013-06-24 01:23:03 PM  

Cyno01: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...


That's because you're only worried about the ice that's already expanded...there's more of this "frozen water" above the "rim" of this glass to worry about as well...hence, this issue...
 
2013-06-24 01:23:04 PM  

Cyno01: You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?


Now, put a big pile of ice on top of a solid surface.  Fill the glass with water, then dump the melting ice from the solid surface into the glass.  Watch it overflow.

(Then, account for thermal expansion for oceans that are much, much deeper than your stupid glass analogy.)

But hey, I'm sure you felt smart while you were writing that.  You can fool a few third-graders with that level of "thought".
 
2013-06-24 01:23:13 PM  

Aarontology: Even the sea is sick of LeBron.


There is only one thing that ever made me happy was ball players. And that's why I bade the red bull to bring me all of them, all there were. So I can be young again, like that first morning I saw Byrd versus Jordan. And so every wave brings them to shore, but they DARE NOT, for fear of the Red.Bull.
But your eyes are dull, as dull as any eyes that never beheld Phi Jamma Slamma.
 
2013-06-24 01:23:34 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The scuba diving is going to be amazing.

Looking forward to it myself:

[www.monstershack.net image 512x288]


You cant park a sub ther! You will get a ticket!
 
2013-06-24 01:23:44 PM  

I was actually hoping it was going to be sooner than that. My hopes were that the #1 climate change denier, Rush Limbaugh, would be an eyewitness to his beach-front compound in Florida sinking into the ocean.


//Schadenfreude at it's finest, my friend.

 
2013-06-24 01:23:58 PM  

vpb: cman:
Climate change is a problem. If you don't believe me, then believe Carl Sagan, who was a political socialist, and he advocated the use of nuclear power as a way to help ease climate change. Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.

So did James Lovelock and others.


Best worst option. And I don't think either of them would have really defended "clean and safe" so much as "cleaner and safer given the current problem of excessive GHG emissions and their short and long-term effects."
 
2013-06-24 01:24:36 PM  

FloydA: A concrete wall separates this pond from the ocean. The wall is low enough that waves crash above it at high tide; that and rainfall keep the pond replenished. The water is constantly warmed to about 90 degrees F, and is the most relaxing natural hot pond I have ever visited.


Precisely how natural is a pond that owes its existence to a concrete wall?
 
2013-06-24 01:24:48 PM  

Shostie: New Orleans didn't "build below sea level," so much as the city is actively sinking. Because cities weigh a lot.


Especially cities populated with Louisianans.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Wouldn't it be ironic if science made it so we could live so long that we can see the results of our fark ups?


One of the actively debated solutions during the 2008-09 meltdown was (I kid you not) how to artificially prop up the real estate market.

As far as seeing the results of our fark-ups is concerned, getting us to live long enough is not the issue.
 
2013-06-24 01:25:27 PM  
I, for one, will miss mainland Cuba.
 
2013-06-24 01:25:38 PM  
Cyno01:

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...


If you can find a way to make sure that only sea ice melts, and the glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica don't, please let me know.  It's the ice on land melting and running into the sea that is the problem.
 
2013-06-24 01:26:22 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-24 01:26:37 PM  

zulius: Cyno01: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...

That's because you're only worried about the ice that's already expanded...there's more of this "frozen water" above the "rim" of this glass to worry about as well...hence, this issue...


You mean there's a SOUTH pole?
 
2013-06-24 01:26:48 PM  

NuttierThanEver: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 720x480]

We'll just have to establish new cities further inland for our ports and coastal luxury resorts like Marina Del Lexe or Otisburg


Otisburg?
 
2013-06-24 01:26:49 PM  

Andromeda: Shostie: AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?

First off, New Orleans didn't "build below sea level," so much as the city is actively sinking. Because cities weigh a lot. And from what I understand they've been tapping into natural gas reserves below the city which hasn't been helping much.

Second, Miami is AT sea level. If a hurricane goes through, there's virtually nothing to cushion the blow.

IRC the last time a category 5 hurricane hit Miami in the 1930s it took like two decades to recover.  So we have that to look forward to someday sooner instead of later I'm sure...


you may have missed hurricane Andrew in 1992 which leveled a pretty good sized portion of south Florida
 
2013-06-24 01:26:53 PM  
So just build a 15ft seawall around the entire Florida coastline. Problem solved.
 
2013-06-24 01:26:54 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Precisely how natural is a pond that owes its existence to a concrete wall?


A difference of construction material, mostly.
forum.gon.com
 
2013-06-24 01:26:57 PM  

FormlessOne: Notice most of the climate change denier threadshiatters haven't showed up yet.


The Green Wall of Paste tends to only appear after discussion has died down.  Part of the system.
 
2013-06-24 01:27:52 PM  

BitwiseShift: I, for one, will miss mainland Cuba.


There'll be plenty of Cuba left.  It just won't be 90 miles from Key West anymore.
 
2013-06-24 01:28:31 PM  
NPR = National People's Radio.  Keep listening Comrade...or else.
 
2013-06-24 01:28:42 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: OldManDownDRoad: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The scuba diving is going to be amazing.

Looking forward to it myself:

[www.monstershack.net image 512x288]

I can't wait for the recreational boating

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x213]


He sees what you did there:

www.bravotv.com
 
2013-06-24 01:29:08 PM  

bdub77: Wrong, wrong. Denial has crocodiles, Miami has alligators.


I am pretty sure they have crocodiles too.

But they don't have chocodiles.

/man those things are/were disgustingly delicious...
 
2013-06-24 01:29:36 PM  
Turn it into a landfill. The entire state.
 
2013-06-24 01:29:43 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: FloydA: A concrete wall separates this pond from the ocean. The wall is low enough that waves crash above it at high tide; that and rainfall keep the pond replenished. The water is constantly warmed to about 90 degrees F, and is the most relaxing natural hot pond I have ever visited.

Precisely how natural is a pond that owes its existence to a concrete wall?



Um... Not very.  Apparently I'm missing your point.    Could you explain to me why that is relevant?
 
2013-06-24 01:29:48 PM  

gameshowhost: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

I guess my feeling on this now is: Fine, deny global warming. Whatever. The earth will still spin around the sun and life will go on. However, it's going to be a more miserable, expensive, and bleaker world for humans, so if that's OK with you, party on. If you'd rather not have to worry about things like water rationing, epic storm damage, fires, droughts, food scarcity, floods, and the loss of plant and animal life, you'd might consider a less nihilistic view of life.

It's got to be more than that. The deniers will have to start paying* for their egregious stupidity, one way or another, or else there's no incentive for them to cease being egregiously stupid, both now and in the future.

*paying = paying a whole bunch more than the average share. whole. bunch. more.


So they will have to pay money for not espousing views that you like?  Sounds healthy.

How about we just pay based on consumption?  Wouldn't that be a little more rational?
 
2013-06-24 01:29:53 PM  

FormlessOne: Notice most of the climate change denier threadshiatters haven't showed up yet.


I noticed this thread had a much higher funny post to whargabl ratio than usual.
 
2013-06-24 01:30:11 PM  
It's so cutesy wootsey how the left is still blathering on about global warming. Have Al Gore whip up another Power Point slide presentation and give him another Nobel prize and Oscar while you're at it. I'm sure that the New Yorkers and Miamians will have no trouble sprouting gills when necessary even though it's a bunch of rungs up the evolutionary ladder for them.
 
2013-06-24 01:30:26 PM  

Cyno01: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...


That only applies to ice that is already floating on water.

Think of this:
The ice in all the glaciers around the world melts. The ice that feeds the rivers that water the crops and provide all the fresh water we drink. All that ice runs downhill into the sea and the rivers all become something equivalent to the Colorado at the point where it tools through Southern California.


The Amazon, the Columbia, the Mississippi, the Ohio, The Ganges, the Danube, the Nile, the Congo, the Yangtze, all drain major mountain ranges and require annual replenishment of snowfall to keep flowing at their volumes all year round.

No more rivers, no more crops, no more nice beach houses in The Carolinas or Florida. It's been estimated that a six foot increase in the ocean level would displace about 3.5 billion people. And it can happen very quickly, in the space of months. Couple that with the massive floods that would follow all that glacial melting, then follow that with the water drying up and the rivers down to 4% - 5% of what they were. Thats if the average world temperature is up by 10 degrees from what it was at the beginning of the 20th century. We're already at 4.
 
2013-06-24 01:30:49 PM  

dragonchild: Galloping Galoshes: Precisely how natural is a pond that owes its existence to a concrete wall?

A difference of construction material, mostly.
[forum.gon.com image 700x594]


That's a mighty fine beaver you got there, ma'am.  (slap)
 
2013-06-24 01:31:02 PM  

chimp_ninja: Smeggy Smurf: How is this possible? The unbiased data shows global warming stopped 16 years ago. If anything the overall temperature is going down.

16.  Huh.  what an unusual number to choose.

[www.skepticalscience.net image 500x340]


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020430140457717153183842 1 366.html

Yup.  16 years of no warming.  It must suck to see that you've been lied to for so long.
 
2013-06-24 01:31:08 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-24 01:31:56 PM  

Shostie: WHERE WILL YOU RUN TO, NOW, MICHAEL WESTON?!?!


Well-played.
 
2013-06-24 01:32:37 PM  
nothing can be done about it except live in de nile biscayne bay

FTFY (geography nazi)

/where the cuban gentlemen sleep all day
 
2013-06-24 01:32:40 PM  
The article pointed something important about Miami and South Florida

The bedrock in the area is porous limestone.   They can build all the seawalls they want, but the water will infiltrate under the walls and still flood the area.   They can compensate with huge pumps to pump water continuously faster than it can infiltrate, but if the pumps ever fail......
 
2013-06-24 01:32:52 PM  

Cyno01: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.

You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?


Oh good lord tell me you're not serious
 
2013-06-24 01:32:55 PM  
The Miami Dolphins should feel right at home.

Fano: Aarontology: Even the sea is sick of LeBron.

There is only one thing that ever made me happy was ball players. And that's why I bade the red bull to bring me all of them, all there were. So I can be young again, like that first morning I saw Byrd versus Jordan. And so every wave brings them to shore, but they DARE NOT, for fear of the Red.Bull.
But your eyes are dull, as dull as any eyes that never beheld Phi Jamma Slamma.


Yeah, good luck with that.
/Bird
 
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