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(NPR)   Even by the most conservative estimates, rising sea levels will wipe Miami off the map by the end of the century, and there is nothing that can be done about it except live in denial. Well, good   (npr.org) divider line 299
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2013-06-24 11:21:02 AM
Even the sea is sick of LeBron.
 
2013-06-24 11:22:42 AM
I'm sure there's a downside as well.
 
2013-06-24 11:33:54 AM
All the sun tan oil washed into the sea will kill millions of birds.
 
2013-06-24 11:33:54 AM
WHERE WILL YOU RUN TO, NOW, MICHAEL WESTON?!?!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-24 11:35:52 AM
Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.
 
2013-06-24 11:39:29 AM
Denial is in Egypt but yeah, very similar conditions.
 
2013-06-24 11:41:43 AM

vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.


I guess my feeling on this now is: Fine, deny global warming. Whatever. The earth will still spin around the sun and life will go on. However, it's going to be a more miserable, expensive, and bleaker world for humans, so if that's OK with you, party on. If you'd rather not have to worry about things like water rationing, epic storm damage, fires, droughts, food scarcity, floods, and the loss of plant and animal life, you'd might consider a less nihilistic view of life.
 
2013-06-24 11:48:28 AM
Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?
 
2013-06-24 11:50:05 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?


It's basically built on sea level and it's built on porous limestone, so any time the tide comes in, sea water bubbles up into the city.
 
2013-06-24 11:50:52 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

I guess my feeling on this now is: Fine, deny global warming. Whatever. The earth will still spin around the sun and life will go on. However, it's going to be a more miserable, expensive, and bleaker world for humans, so if that's OK with you, party on. If you'd rather not have to worry about things like water rationing, epic storm damage, fires, droughts, food scarcity, floods, and the loss of plant and animal life, you'd might consider a less nihilistic view of life.


It's got to be more than that. The deniers will have to start paying* for their egregious stupidity, one way or another, or else there's no incentive for them to cease being egregiously stupid, both now and in the future.

*paying = paying a whole bunch more than the average share. whole. bunch. more.
 
2013-06-24 11:52:30 AM
Better visit the Keys while they are still there  :  (
 
2013-06-24 11:55:45 AM
Bienvenidos al mar, muchachos!
 
2013-06-24 11:56:18 AM
I guess Miami is going to have to find a way to keep the Biscayne---

*sunglasses*

---at bay.

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH H HHHHHHHHH
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-24 12:00:16 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

I guess my feeling on this now is: Fine, deny global warming. Whatever. The earth will still spin around the sun and life will go on. However, it's going to be a more miserable, expensive, and bleaker world for humans, so if that's OK with you, party on. If you'd rather not have to worry about things like water rationing, epic storm damage, fires, droughts, food scarcity, floods, and the loss of plant and animal life, you'd might consider a less nihilistic view of life.


Well, I will be dead by then so no biggie.
 
2013-06-24 12:04:05 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?


First off, New Orleans didn't "build below sea level," so much as the city is actively sinking. Because cities weigh a lot. And from what I understand they've been tapping into natural gas reserves below the city which hasn't been helping much.

Second, Miami is AT sea level. If a hurricane goes through, there's virtually nothing to cushion the blow.
 
2013-06-24 12:10:24 PM

Shostie: AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?

First off, New Orleans didn't "build below sea level," so much as the city is actively sinking. Because cities weigh a lot. And from what I understand they've been tapping into natural gas reserves below the city which hasn't been helping much.

Second, Miami is AT sea level. If a hurricane goes through, there's virtually nothing to cushion the blow.


IRC the last time a category 5 hurricane hit Miami in the 1930s it took like two decades to recover.  So we have that to look forward to someday sooner instead of later I'm sure...

I live in Amsterdam these days which is of course famously below sea level (they built my institute just outside of the big door they can automatically shut in the event of flooding in the barrier, so hooray I am left to die).  I'm sure a lot of the flooding protections they have in this country are going to seem commonplace in the lot of the USA as well sooner instead of later, it's just the Dutch have a few hundred year head start on a lot of these things.
 
2013-06-24 12:14:27 PM
The problem is that politics is extremely intertwined with science.


You want to talk about climate change? Fine. Get it out of the political arena.


Climate change is a problem. If you don't believe me, then believe Carl Sagan, who was a political socialist, and he advocated the use of nuclear power as a way to help ease climate change. Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.
 
2013-06-24 12:18:10 PM

vpb: Well, I will be dead by then so no biggie.


Wouldn't it be ironic if science made it so we could live so long that we can see the results of our fark ups?
 
2013-06-24 12:19:07 PM

gameshowhost: It's got to be more than that. The deniers will have to start paying* for their egregious stupidity, one way or another, or else there's no incentive for them to cease being egregiously stupid, both now and in the future.


Well, we already have the Florida Tag, so that's a start.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-24 12:20:16 PM
cman:
Climate change is a problem. If you don't believe me, then believe Carl Sagan, who was a political socialist, and he advocated the use of nuclear power as a way to help ease climate change. Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.

So did James Lovelock and others.
 
2013-06-24 12:22:30 PM

cman: The problem is that politics is extremely intertwined with science.


You want to talk about climate change? Fine. Get it out of the political arena.


Climate change is a problem. If you don't believe me, then believe Carl Sagan, who was a political socialist, and he advocated the use of nuclear power as a way to help ease climate change. Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.


I don't see nuclear power as a right vs left debate as much as a pragmatic vs NIMBY debate.  I'm pretty darn liberal, and I'm all for nuclear power.  We should keep investing in solar, wind, hydroelectric, etc, as well, but right now nuclear is a hell of a lot better than most of our power generation infrastructure.
 
2013-06-24 12:22:44 PM

Andromeda: Shostie: AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?

First off, New Orleans didn't "build below sea level," so much as the city is actively sinking. Because cities weigh a lot. And from what I understand they've been tapping into natural gas reserves below the city which hasn't been helping much.

Second, Miami is AT sea level. If a hurricane goes through, there's virtually nothing to cushion the blow.

IRC the last time a category 5 hurricane hit Miami in the 1930s it took like two decades to recover.  So we have that to look forward to someday sooner instead of later I'm sure...

I live in Amsterdam these days which is of course famously below sea level (they built my institute just outside of the big door they can automatically shut in the event of flooding in the barrier, so hooray I am left to die).  I'm sure a lot of the flooding protections they have in this country are going to seem commonplace in the lot of the USA as well sooner instead of later, it's just the Dutch have a few hundred year head start on a lot of these things.


Er, Hurricane Andrew was a Cat 5.
 
2013-06-24 12:25:07 PM
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We'll just have to establish new cities further inland for our ports and coastal luxury resorts like Marina Del Lexe or Otisburg
 
2013-06-24 12:30:56 PM
I am serious, fellow righties.

Embracing the reality of climate change means that we can get what we want, nuclear power.

This is what all of us wanted. It is here for our taking. Grab it.
 
2013-06-24 12:36:03 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-24 12:46:56 PM
Hey, but there's a bright spot to Miami going underwater...you can turn it into the Venice of Florida.

As opposed to Venice, FL.

...or something.
 
2013-06-24 12:53:04 PM
Wrong, wrong. Denial has crocodiles, Miami has alligators.
 
2013-06-24 01:04:43 PM
I am still rooting for the alligators to take over Florida, so this is good news.
 
2013-06-24 01:07:54 PM

cman: Yes, Mr Super-duper-left Carl Sagan said that nuclear power was clean and safe.


Cleaner and safer than burning things to get energy.

Not cleaner and safer than other technologies that don't require burning things to get energy.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:12 PM
The scuba diving is going to be amazing.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:42 PM
I can do a coupla things.

1) Not move to MIA

2) Die before the end of this century.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:55 PM
Ok, but how are they going to move the whole city of Miami to Egypt?
 
2013-06-24 01:09:39 PM
How is this possible?  The unbiased data shows global warming stopped 16 years ago.  If anything the overall temperature is going down.  During the ice ages the sea levels dropped hundreds of feet.
 
2013-06-24 01:10:45 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Why is Miami considered the biggest vulnerability?  What will this do to Hawaii, or the Bahama?  Is Miami one of those dumbass cities that is built below sea level, like New Orleans?


Hawaii is geologically young - the land has very steep contours.  The famous Haleakela crater in Maui is 2 miles up and only 6 miles from the coast.
 
2013-06-24 01:10:52 PM

vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.


You know what else is an observable property? The solid phase of water being LESS dense than the liquid. If all the ice melted the sea level would probably go down a little bit. This whole rising sea level chicken little attitude doesnt make any sense to anyone with half a brain. Go get a glass, put some ice in it, fill it to the top with water , and wait for the ice to melt. Did the glass overflow?

Damn scientists just looking for grant money...
 
2013-06-24 01:11:08 PM
Having seen Miami, if it fell into the sea, not much would be lost.  Hopefully, it'll take Pitbull, too.
 
2013-06-24 01:11:19 PM

vpb: Denying global warming is like denying that water is wet.

Really.  The liquid phase of water is an observable physical property of water just as the fact that carbon dioxide is opaque to infrared light and transparent to visible light is are observable physical properties.


Sure, ok, fine.  What are you DOING about it?  I've planted 10,000 trees, and installed 10KW of solar panels.  Are you doing anything about it, or just talking about it?

/more panels as I can afford them
//6 year payback
 
2013-06-24 01:11:33 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The scuba diving is going to be amazing.


Looking forward to it myself:

www.monstershack.net
 
2013-06-24 01:11:35 PM
So all the Cuban ex-pats are going to go back to Cuba.???
 
2013-06-24 01:11:58 PM
We will have to evolve back to being amphibians.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:25 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat


Wouldn't it be ironic if science made it so we could live so long that we can see the results of our fark ups?


Go home, Alanis, you're drunk.
 
2013-06-24 01:13:06 PM
Time to buy some beachfront in the southern states.
 
2013-06-24 01:13:17 PM
If they thought Katrina was bad...
 
2013-06-24 01:13:25 PM

Infernalist: Having seen Miami, if it fell into the sea, not much would be lost.  Hopefully, it'll take Pitbull, too.


I'd miss the topless girls around the pool at the Delano . . .

Won't miss those $18 beers, though.
 
2013-06-24 01:14:21 PM

Smeggy Smurf: How is this possible? The unbiased data shows global warming stopped 16 years ago. If anything the overall temperature is going down.


16.  Huh.  what an unusual number to choose.

www.skepticalscience.net
 
2013-06-24 01:14:51 PM
Notice most of the climate change denier threadshiatters haven't showed up yet.
 
2013-06-24 01:15:14 PM

OldManDownDRoad: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The scuba diving is going to be amazing.

Looking forward to it myself:

[www.monstershack.net image 512x288]


I can't wait for the recreational boating

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-24 01:15:18 PM

NuttierThanEver: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 720x480]

We'll just have to establish new cities further inland for our ports and coastal luxury resorts like Marina Del Lexe or Otisburg


Knock yourself out. I, for one, plan to plant myself firmly between the beautiful Tessmacher Peaks.
 
2013-06-24 01:15:28 PM
We'll finally be able to normalize relations with Cuba.
 
2013-06-24 01:15:52 PM
So the Nile's not going to be flooded?  I thought it did that every year.
 
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