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2013-06-24 12:30:30 PM
Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?
 
2013-06-24 12:45:02 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


Copper/scrap metal thieves should be shot on site.
 
2013-06-24 12:45:13 PM
DO NOT BECOME MENTALLY ILL IN ARIZONA.

If you are convicted of a crime, mental illness is not a defense and you will be sentenced to the state mental hospital until such time as you are cured. At which point you will be imprisoned or jailed to serve the rest of your sentence.

If the cops don't shoot and kill you instead of arresting you.

DO NOT BECOME MENTALLY ILL IN ARIZONA.

/come for the sun, run away
 
2013-06-24 12:46:16 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


short answer: yes
 
2013-06-24 12:46:40 PM
If you are a fleeing felon you may be shot... FTFA
 
2013-06-24 12:47:58 PM
FTA: the officer opened fire on the suspect as he turned back toward the officer.

If there isn't more to the story than that, I hope the officer is charged with capital murder and his training officer fired from duty.
 
2013-06-24 12:49:48 PM

jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA


The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.
 
2013-06-24 12:51:30 PM
They handcuffed him and placed a guard at the door for copper theft?  Really?  Where did he steal it - from Obama's ass?

Jebus, what a buncha asshats!
 
2013-06-24 12:51:49 PM

Dinjiin: FTA: the officer opened fire on the suspect as he turned back toward the officer.

If there isn't more to the story than that, I hope the officer is charged with capital murder and his training officer fired from duty.


No, that's pretty much all it takes to make a good shoot. If this ever happens to you, just tell the cops the unarmed subject, "made a sudden motion, as if reaching for a weapon." That's a get out of jail free card, in the South anyway.
 
2013-06-24 12:52:05 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: If you are convicted of a crime, mental illness is not a defense and you will be sentenced to the state mental hospital until such time as you are cured. At which point you will be imprisoned or jailed to serve the rest of your sentence.


AFAIK that's every state in the Union.

Also, why should MI be a defense? If I were raped and his defense was MI you're darned-tootin' I'd want the SOB to be treated then sentenced.
 
2013-06-24 12:52:36 PM

mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.


Tfa says that he had a felony warrant as well, no just the whole copper thing.
 
2013-06-24 12:53:05 PM
Thanks for saving the government money!
 
2013-06-24 12:53:30 PM

Satanic_Hamster: SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?

Copper/scrap metal thieves should be shot on site.


this.
 
2013-06-24 12:54:07 PM

Dinobot: mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.

Tfa says that he had a felony warrant as well, no just the whole copper thing.


Again, felony warrant is an accusation. Now, if he had a felony parole violation, then you can consider him a convict and treat accordingly.
 
2013-06-24 12:55:09 PM

Dinobot: Satanic_Hamster: SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?

Copper/scrap metal thieves should be shot on site.

this.


On site, or on sight? I mean, if you just spot one, you can shoot him, or do you have to catch them copper-handed?
 
2013-06-24 12:55:39 PM

mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.


Did you even read TFA?
 
2013-06-24 12:58:08 PM

Spanky McStupid: They handcuffed him and placed a guard at the door for copper theft?  Really?  Where did he steal it - from Obama's ass?

Jebus, what a buncha asshats!


Once arrested the individual must remain in the custody of the arresting officer or his designated relief until the individual is cleared to be released to the jail.  It's not a "guard" matter so much as maintaining a chain of custody.  If the arrested subject requests EMS, and EMS determines there is cause to transport to the hospital, the police must remain with him regardless of what that cause may be.

This is true for any one arrested for a crime, be it a misdemeanor or murder.
 
2013-06-24 12:58:17 PM

Civil_War2_Time: mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.

Did you even read TFA?


Y-e-e-e-s-s-s. Would it help if I typed more slowly?

Police said the suspect was recently arrested at a shopping center for copper theft. He was wanted for at least one felony warrant.

Being wanted on a felony warrant means you have been arrested and charged with a felony. You don't become a felon until you're convicted of a felony.
 
2013-06-24 01:01:35 PM

mbillips: You don't become a felon until you're convicted of a felony.


And you cannot become one if they shoot you dead before your trial.
 
2013-06-24 01:02:29 PM

mbillips: That's a get out of jail free card, in the South anyway.


That's a fine excuse for a private citizen, but police should be armed with less than lethal weapons such as mace, batons or Tasers.

Even with his sidearm, did he even try to incapacitate the suspect (shot to the leg or shoulder), or did he shoot center mass?
 
2013-06-24 01:02:48 PM

mbillips: Dinjiin: FTA: the officer opened fire on the suspect as he turned back toward the officer.

If there isn't more to the story than that, I hope the officer is charged with capital murder and his training officer fired from duty.

No, that's pretty much all it takes to make a good shoot. If this ever happens to you, just tell the cops the unarmed subject, "made a sudden motion, as if reaching for a weapon." That's a get out of jail free card, in the South anyway.


HE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!

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2013-06-24 01:03:27 PM

mbillips: Civil_War2_Time: mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.

Did you even read TFA?

Y-e-e-e-s-s-s. Would it help if I typed more slowly?

Police said the suspect was recently arrested at a shopping center for copper theft. He was wanted for at least one felony warrant.

Being wanted on a felony warrant means you have been arrested and charged with a felony. You don't become a felon until you're convicted of a felony.


Escaping police capture is an immediate felony in Texas, punishable by death if the chasing officer feels he/she may be in harm's way.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:27 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


he was in danger of getting the gays from seeing man ass
 
2013-06-24 01:09:20 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Escaping police capture is an immediate felony in Texas, punishable by death if the chasing officer feels he/she may be in harm's way.


Escape from Custody, the charge you're referring to, is a Class-A misdemeanor.  It can be elevated to a felony if he is escaping from a prison/mental health facility or causes bodily injury/death while escaping.  Neither of which occurred in the article.
 
2013-06-24 01:09:47 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


Why will you weep for the dead tweeker, in the end this was a homicide in the public interest.


//have seen way too many tweekers and my give a damn is busted, i reserve my feelings for the kids caought in the middle of the drug wars.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:03 PM

Spanky McStupid: They handcuffed him and placed a guard at the door for copper theft?  Really?  Where did he steal it - from Obama's ass?

Jebus, what a buncha asshats!


What would you propose they should have done? Drop him off at the hospital and make him promise to report to the police station when his boo-boos got better? The guy committed a crime. Up until the point when they shot him, there was no problem here.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:03 PM

mbillips: jeffowl: If you are a fleeing felon criminal suspectyou may be shot... FTFA

The guy had been arrested, not convicted. It's not like a prison break.


point of order, he was in custody, so this was an escape from jail,

//suicide or shot while attempting escape
check box 2 please move along nothing to see here
 
2013-06-24 01:12:15 PM
While I have no respect for thieves, this seems ridiculous.  Was the guy even armed with something?  If he was, I can understand that.  Why not shoot him in the leg or something?  I think that officer is going to be in trouble soon.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:32 PM

mbillips: On site, or on sight? I mean, if you just spot one, you can shoot him, or do you have to catch them copper-handed?


On the site where you catch them.

Obviously, the officer was wrong to shoot him coming out of the hospital.  They should have shot him immediately on the site where they caught him stealing copper.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:36 PM
So a wanted felon get injured while committing another crime, gets arrested and taken to the hospital by the cops, attempts to escape police custody, and then gets shot. To be honest I'm with the cops on this one.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:56 PM
The story you are about to see is true .Only the
names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Joe Friday: "This is the city. Los Angeles,
California. I work here... I'm a cop."

"It was Tuesday, February 9. It was raining in
Los Angeles. We were working robbery.
Some people rob for pleasure. Some people rob
because it's there. You never know.
I was working the day watch out of robbery when
I got a call from the Acme School Bell Company."

Victim: "There's been a robbery."

Friday: "Yes sir! What was it?"

Victim: "My clappers!"

Friday: "Your clappers?"

Victim: "Yeah, you know those things
inside a bell that makes them clang."

Friday: "The clangers?"

Victim: "That's right! We call them
the clappers in the business."

Friday: "A clapper caper."

Victim: "What's that?"

Friday: "Nothing sir! Now can I have the facts?
What kinds of clappers were stolen on this clapper caper?"

Victim: "They were copper clappers!"

Friday: "And where were they kept?"

Victim:" In the closet!"

Friday: "Uh huh, do you have
any ideas who might have taken your
copper clappers from the closet?"

Victim: "Well , I fired a
man and he swore he'd get even!"

Friday: "What was his name?"

Victim: "Claude Cooper!"

Friday: "You think it was him then?"

Victim: " That's right! I think Claude Cooper
copped my copper Clapper kept in a closet."

Friday: " You know where this Claude Cooper is from?"

Victim: "Yep! Cleveland."

Friday: "That figures!"

Victim: "What makes it worse is that they were clean!"

Friday: "Clean copper clappers? Why do you think
that Claude Cooper would cop your clean
copper clappers kept in your closet?"

Victim: "Only one reason!"

Friday: "What's that?"

Victim: "He's a kleptomaniac."

Friday: "Who first discovered the

copper clappers were copped?"

Victim: "My cleaning woman Clara Clifford!"

Friday: "That figures! Now let me see

if I got the facts straight here?

Cleaning woman Clara Clifford discovered

your clean copper clappers

kept in a closet were copped by Claude Cooper

a kleptomaniac from Cleveland. Now is that about it?"

Victim: "One more thing. If I ever catch kleptomaniac

Claude Cooper from Cleveland who copped my

clean copper clappers from the closet...."

Friday: "Yes?"

Victim: "I'll clobber him!"

Breaking news....Breaking news....

"We are reporting live from the county jail.

Claude Cooper the kleptomaniac from

Cleveland has been arrested and charged

with the copper clapper caper. He has

been put in a cell."

Update:

Claude Cooper, the criminal from Cleveland,
has been sentenced to six years for
the copper clapper caper.

Remember....crime doesn't pay!
 
2013-06-24 01:13:44 PM
In Michigan they had a law that allowed hospitals to restrain you even if you were coherent.
I told the nurse that if she didn't bring in a psychiatrist and have me declared as coherent that I was gonna sue the fark out of them, William Beaumont R.O.
They wont tie you down any longer unless you try to kill the nurse. Not sure when the law changed.
 
2013-06-24 01:15:07 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


that's exactly what he is going to claim which is why this sentence is int he article:
According to police, the officer opened fire on the suspect as he turned back toward the officer

see, the US Supreme Court has long ago said that deadly force can be used on a fleeing suspect ONLY to prevent danger to the officer or the public or to prevent the commission of a felony.  That's why they have to say that the suspect who was running flat out away from the cops suddenly and inexlicably turned on them.   Otherwise you don't have a valid delf-defense motive for the shooting and it was an unrighteous shoot.

This is what is known as "tesitilyng" and it's entirely too common
 
2013-06-24 01:16:35 PM
fat boy:

Remember....crime doesn't pay!

//Well if you are a Banker........
 
2013-06-24 01:18:48 PM

Maus III: TheShavingofOccam123: If you are convicted of a crime, mental illness is not a defense and you will be sentenced to the state mental hospital until such time as you are cured. At which point you will be imprisoned or jailed to serve the rest of your sentence.

AFAIK that's every state in the Union.

Also, why should MI be a defense? If I were raped and his defense was MI you're darned-tootin' I'd want the SOB to be treated then sentenced.


You have to understand that mental illness per se is not a defense insanity is.  And Insanity is a legal tem not a pyschological one.   The legal defintion of which is being unable to tell right from wrong when you committed the criminal act.  The common evidence test for this given to juries is "Would you believe the person would have committed the exact same act if a police officer had been standing right next to them?"

IF the answer is no, then the person must have some awareness that what they are doing is wrong, and are therefore not, "Insane" no matter how mentally disturbed they may be
 
2013-06-24 01:21:16 PM

Dinjiin: FTA: the officer opened fire on the suspect as he turned back toward the officer.

If there isn't more to the story than that, I hope the officer is charged with capital murder and his training officer fired from duty.


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2013-06-24 01:23:45 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Civil_War2_Time: Escaping police capture is an immediate felony in Texas, punishable by death if the chasing officer feels he/she may be in harm's way.

Escape from Custody, the charge you're referring to, is a Class-A misdemeanor.  It can be elevated to a felony if he is escaping from a prison/mental health facility or causes bodily injury/death while escaping.  Neither of which occurred in the article.



SB 844:

Code, are amended to read as follows:

7 (a) A person commits an offense if the personescapes

from custody when the person is:

(1) under arrest for, lawfully detained for, charged

with, or convicted of an offense;

(2) in custody pursuant to a lawful order of a court;

(3) detained in a secure detention facility, as that

term is defined by Section 51. 02, Family Code; or

(4) in the custody of a juvenile probation officer for

violating an order imposed by the juvenile court under Section

52.01, Family Code.

(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third

degree if the actor:

(1) is under arrest for, charged with, or convicted of

a felony; is confined or lawfully detained in a secure

correctional facility or law enforcement facility; or

(3) is committed to or lawfully detained in a secure

correctional facility,
as defined by Section 51.02, Family Code
 
2013-06-24 01:25:21 PM

Satanic_Hamster: SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?

Copper/scrap metal thieves should be shot on site.


Yeah, they are the coyotes of the criminal world. Seems to me the cops were just finishing the job Darwin started, anyway.

Barely a notch above carjackers, who should be treated the same way horsethieves were treated in the old west.
 
2013-06-24 01:31:12 PM
An ex cop family friend had a story about setting his police dog loose on a guy trying to escape by swimming away. Apparently the dog caught the guy out in the water and all you could hear was him screaming and trying not to drown while getting chewed up. The cops were too busy laughing to call the dog off.
 
2013-06-24 01:32:26 PM

kortex: While I have no respect for thieves, this seems ridiculous.  Was the guy even armed with something?  If he was, I can understand that.  Why not shoot him in the leg or something?  I think that officer is going to be in trouble soon.


This comment doesn't even deserve an insult.  Please go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.
 
2013-06-24 01:37:46 PM
I was going to let this one slide but then I found myself cursing you out under my breath. I've seen my share of the damage addiction brings. Fark you for dehumanizing victims to help you deal with it. You stopped caring, I can understand, but don't take it to the point you discourage others by being incredulous that someone would weep for the death of a drug addict.

Again ... From the parent of an addict ... Fark you.
 
2013-06-24 01:39:37 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Death penalty for petty theft - yep, that's Texas.

Seriously, is this cop going to claim he was in danger of an unarmed man running around with his ass hanging out of a hospital gown?


Did the suspect adopt a fighting stance?
 
2013-06-24 01:41:40 PM

Magorn: see, the US Supreme Court has long ago said that deadly force can be used on a fleeing suspect ONLY to prevent danger to the officer or the public or to prevent the commission of a felony.  That's why they have to say that the suspect who was running flat out away from the cops suddenly and inexlicably turned on them.   Otherwise you don't have a valid delf-defense motive for the shooting and it was an unrighteous shoot.


Once again, for all of you in the thread defending the police. Hopefully a little shame creeps up on you, though I doubt it.

Just so you know, we do have due process in this country and the life of anyone should be held in high regard. Your ability to classify deaths as "undeserved" and "deserved" upon your own arbitration is laughably arrogant and frankly mentally ill.
 
2013-06-24 01:42:31 PM

Babboonrash: kortex: While I have no respect for thieves, this seems ridiculous.  Was the guy even armed with something?  If he was, I can understand that.  Why not shoot him in the leg or something?  I think that officer is going to be in trouble soon.

This comment doesn't even deserve an insult.  Please go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.


What's wrong with shooting a turdball thief in the leg?  If he stole from me, in my house, he would have list his life.  He's lucky to get away with only a leg shooting.
 
2013-06-24 01:46:37 PM
Copper thieves are a scurge and I'm okay with this.

Stop breaking the law a$$hole!
 
2013-06-24 01:48:00 PM

kortex: What's wrong with shooting a turdball thief in the leg?  If he stole from me, in my house, he would have list his life.  He's lucky to get away with only a leg shooting


Except he was in a public facility, under the custody of public police, and as far as I can tell, was threatening no one in his hospital gown. Aren't you able to see how shooting him in cold blood is not the way the "defenders of the public" should act? His wasn't even a violent crime. Or are you unable to see the color grey?
 
2013-06-24 01:49:38 PM

yellowmattercustard: I'm okay with this.


Let's just be thankful it was no one you cared about enough to hope they got a fair trial.
 
2013-06-24 01:50:33 PM

Babboonrash: kortex: While I have no respect for thieves, this seems ridiculous.  Was the guy even armed with something?  If he was, I can understand that.  Why not shoot him in the leg or something?  I think that officer is going to be in trouble soon.

This comment doesn't even deserve an insult.  Please go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.


Won't someone please think of the criminals?
 
2013-06-24 01:53:35 PM

Greylight: I was going to let this one slide but then I found myself cursing you out under my breath. I've seen my share of the damage addiction brings. Fark you for dehumanizing victims to help you deal with it. You stopped caring, I can understand, but don't take it to the point you discourage others by being incredulous that someone would weep for the death of a drug addict.

Again ... From the parent of an addict ... Fark you.



The deceased was a obviously a junkie that financed his addiction with theft.
Practically nobody else steals copper.
People like that commit multiple felonies EVERY DAY and are a huge drain on the community.
There person they once were is gone.
Now they do nothing but harm to themselves and others.
So, good riddance to bad rubbish.
Too bad about your kid though.
At least you can remember the child they once were.
Some of the salmon are eaten by bears before they get a chance to spawn.
Its the circle of life.
www.alaska-in-pictures.com
 
2013-06-24 01:53:40 PM

the_foo: Won't someone please think of the criminals?


There's a large vagueness to that word. Are we talking of rapists, murderers? No, this is about a copper thief, someone who was so poor they risked death for money to take metal from someone else. A non-violent crime and possibly suicidal. Did he have an addiction? You can assume, but you know what that does. It has no bearing on the crime itself though, it was non-violent. He didn't deserve the death penalty even in his attempt to evade custody. He was in a hospital gown, literally nothing else.
 
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