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(Guardian)   Even though research shows the experts can't tell the difference between cheap and expensive wines, you should buy the expensive stuff, because it shows you care   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 190
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2013-06-24 11:34:02 AM
www.blackmarketwine.info
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.
 
2013-06-24 11:35:03 AM
Champagne socialist Gardian strikes again: liberate the vintnertariat!
 
2013-06-24 11:35:06 AM
Price doesn't necessarily correspond to quality but there's still better and worse as with anything.
 
2013-06-24 11:35:15 AM
But you can tell the difference between good wine and bad wine, and there are more cheap bad wines than there are bad expensive wines.

/Anything from Chateau Elan is a bad wine, don't believe the "Awards"
 
2013-06-24 11:36:22 AM

willfullyobscure: [www.blackmarketwine.info image 405x405]
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.


That is the best 55 gallon drum wine I've ever had.
 
2013-06-24 11:36:26 AM
Meh, who drinks wine anyway? Pretentious hipsters I guess, real people drink whiskey.
 
2013-06-24 11:36:41 AM
Define "cheap" and "expensive." There's a gulf of difference between a $4 bottle of wine and a $25 bottle of wine, but there might not be as stark of a difference between a $50 and $150 bottle. If you're interested in bankrolling some hands-on research, don't hesitate to contact me...

When you're looking at a $10 bottle, it matters whether it's from the USA or overseas. It costs, ballpark, about $4 to get a bottle of European wine over here, so the general quality is lower than the same-priced wine made in the USA. That is, of course, when $4 amounts to a significant amount of a wine's total price. $9 American can beat $9 European, but the difference dissolves at higher price points.

I wonder if this thread is going to turn entirely into "stop liking things I don't like."
 
2013-06-24 11:36:49 AM
In other news: taste is subjective, dollars are not.
 
2013-06-24 11:36:51 AM

willfullyobscure: [www.blackmarketwine.info image 405x405]
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.


That stuff is plain terrible at any price.
 
2013-06-24 11:36:59 AM
www.temptationgifts.com
 
2013-06-24 11:37:51 AM
And people complain about beer snobs on here all the time. Wine snobs are the worst of all
 
2013-06-24 11:38:29 AM

Tom_Slick: But you can tell the difference between good wine and bad wine, and there are more cheap bad wines than there are bad expensive wines.

/Anything from Chateau Elan is a bad wine, don't believe the "Awards"


I can tell you've been on The Night Train.  I have.  Never again.
 
2013-06-24 11:40:11 AM
Giving a moment of thought to the wine you're picking is also caring, and it doesn't cost you anything. No need to analyze the individual flavors in a wine, but it helps to have at least a basic idea what you're going for.
 
2013-06-24 11:40:11 AM
i keep wine in the house.. but only to cook with..  the stuff tastes like crap to drink.. but makes great sauces

give me my beer

;>)
 
2013-06-24 11:40:48 AM
Hubby and I go through a bottle of wine a day.  *We like our wine*   That said, we try to not buy anything over $10.99.

I'll be the first to admit that I hardly notice the differences between wines.   They tend to taste the same to me.   Some more dry than others but the taste remains the same.
 
2013-06-24 11:41:30 AM
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2013-06-24 11:41:59 AM
I'm happy with Gato Negro for some things. On the other hand I've never found a good moscato for under $18 a bottle.
 
2013-06-24 11:42:04 AM
Stick with two buck chuck.
 
2013-06-24 11:42:50 AM
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2013-06-24 11:42:57 AM
Wine! For when you want to drink in public and look classy!
 
2013-06-24 11:43:11 AM
Tell wine drinkers you like pussie footsie. It never gets old.
 
2013-06-24 11:44:22 AM
When I was younger, I thought that a mature adult drank wine and listened to jazz. I've reached the point, however, where I am willing to admit that I don't care for either of them.
 
2013-06-24 11:44:29 AM
White win, fark yeah!
 
2013-06-24 11:45:14 AM
I make my own wine.

It's not the absolute best stuff I've ever tasted, mainly since I don't do a good job of aging it. But when I'm paying the equivalent of $0.57 for a bottle of wine, "Just OK" is pretty damned good.
 
2013-06-24 11:45:58 AM
It all tastes like bitter garbage to me. Seriously, there's no wine or beer that doesn't taste like crap.
 
2013-06-24 11:46:06 AM
I have NEVER gotten a complaint about Andre when celebrating. Only the hangover.
 
2013-06-24 11:46:17 AM

PizzaJedi81: White win, fark yeah!


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2013-06-24 11:47:16 AM
For me, I tend to like cheaper wines (particularly Australian and South African ones) but that Three Buck Chuck stuff shouldn't be allowed to be sold for human consumption.

I can generally find more enjoyment out of a $25 bottle of wine than a $10 bottle; or a $10 bottle over a $6 bottle.  Anything more than around $25?  You're just wasting your money on me.
 
2013-06-24 11:47:32 AM

tricycleracer: willfullyobscure: [www.blackmarketwine.info image 405x405]
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.

That stuff is plain terrible at any price.


bet you money you can't tell the difference between that and any other burgundy if you don't see the bottles.
 
2013-06-24 11:47:41 AM
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2013-06-24 11:47:45 AM

servlet: PizzaJedi81: White win, fark yeah!

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Well, now that's a hell of a typo.

Should have been White Wine, fark yeah!
 
2013-06-24 11:47:49 AM

LeroyBourne: Tom_Slick: But you can tell the difference between good wine and bad wine, and there are more cheap bad wines than there are bad expensive wines.

/Anything from Chateau Elan is a bad wine, don't believe the "Awards"

I can tell you've been on The Night Train.  I have.  Never again.


That Night Train is a mean wine - Jake Blues

/Chug a Luga Chug a Luga - RALPH
 
2013-06-24 11:47:59 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Meh, who drinks wine anyway? Pretentious hipsters I guess, real people drink whiskey.


Whiskey was my drink of choice until I finally became sick of the infamous 'whiskey hangovers'.

/Tall glasses of good, clean vodak or gin are the ways to go.
 
2013-06-24 11:48:21 AM
I had a bottle of Minervois and a bottle of Chilean red this weekend. Both estate bottled.

I could certainly tell the difference.  A blind, rabid monkey hepped up on speedballs could tell the difference.
 
2013-06-24 11:48:27 AM
No, subby, that's not what the research showed at all. It showed that ONLY experts could consistently tell between cheap and expensive stuff, because you need a trained palate to recognize the elements of flavor in expensive wines that are missing in cheap wines. What it also said was that experts can't tell good wine from great wine, and that wine contests are twaddle, if the stuff is all of comparable quality. Even the most trained palate has a +/- 5 error rate in doing numerical ratings of the same wine on different occasions.

In 2008 a study in the  Journal of Wine Economics found a positive link between the price of wine and the amount people enjoyed it. But the link only existed for people trained to detect the elements of wine that make them expensive.

I drink a lot of wine, and I guarantee you I can tell the difference between a $25 bottle of red wine and Three Buck Chuck. Not that Three Buck Chuck isn't perfectly drinkable, but it's a different sort of flavor. I don't claim to be able to recognize vintages or nonsense like that, but I know the difference in flavor between American chardonnay and New Zealand sauvignon blanc.
 
2013-06-24 11:48:53 AM
I have some of this, waiting for the right occasion:

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The right occasion possibly being "I'm thirsty."
 
2013-06-24 11:49:43 AM
This wine is fruity, yet arrogant - just like our waiter.
 
2013-06-24 11:49:52 AM

ajgeek: It all tastes like bitter garbage to me. Seriously, there's no wine or beer that doesn't taste like crap.


You came into this thread to say you don't like the taste of alcohol?
 
2013-06-24 11:51:05 AM

dryknife: This wine is fruity, yet arrogant - just like our waiter.


I remember hearing that you can get away with describing a wine like a job candidate. "Promising, yes, a little young, but shows great ambition."
 
2013-06-24 11:51:23 AM
Like other consumer goods it's not just about price. If you're celebrating your wedding anniversary or your dad's 60th, do you crack open a bottle of Asda cava? It might taste better than some cheap champagnes. Your dad might not be able to tell the difference - but he might. And you want to show that you value him enough to pay more than £5 a bottle to drink to his health. Same with trainers. You can buy serviceable ones from Primark, but many would buy Nike.

TFA just might be the saddest defense of conspicuous consumption I've read in a while.
 
2013-06-24 11:51:32 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Meh, who drinks wine anyway? Pretentious hipsters I guess, real people drink whiskey.


I like whiskey, but it is a before or after dinner drink, during dinner to quote the Godfather, "Hey Paulie! Bring us some wine!"
 
2013-06-24 11:51:41 AM

SmellsLikePoo: ajgeek: It all tastes like bitter garbage to me. Seriously, there's no wine or beer that doesn't taste like crap.

You came into this thread to say you don't like the taste of alcohol?


Probably one of those high-falutin' types what only drink gen-yoo-ine liquor.

If it's scotch, it's vile.
 
2013-06-24 11:52:21 AM
I like wine, but it took walking into a lumber mill that was cutting oak for me to finally figure out why I don't like merlot, as well as bourbon, or anything that has touched an oak cask or had oak chips added to it at some point.

The smell of the oak being cut turned my stomach.

//Don't remember if it was white or red oak being cut that day.
 
2013-06-24 11:55:02 AM
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That being said:
Generally, the more you pay the better the wine.  However, it's a bit of a logarithmic scale.  The increase in quality vs. price paid drops down FAST.  As others have pointed out, there will be a good bit of difference in 5 and 15 dollar wines (not to say you can't find some damn good under 10 dollar wines).  But as you pay more, odds of getting a crap wine tend to drop.

Personally, I tend to buy between 8 and 30 dollar bottles.
 
2013-06-24 11:55:46 AM

willfullyobscure: tricycleracer: willfullyobscure: [www.blackmarketwine.info image 405x405]
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.

That stuff is plain terrible at any price.

bet you money you can't tell the difference between that and any other burgundy if you don't see the bottles.


Yeah, no. I can tell. Jug wine and box wine have their places, but good wine is a totally different thing. And Burgundy is a region in France where they make a distinctive wine from pinot noir grapes. The stuff in the jug is named after the color.

/Best wine with hot dogs? I've read Beaujolais Nouveau, but I kind of think Merlot.
 
2013-06-24 11:57:00 AM

Tom_Slick: willfullyobscure: [www.blackmarketwine.info image 405x405]
Put it in a decanter; its a fact people can't tell how much it costs.

That is the best 55 gallon drum wine I've ever had.


Wine barrels are, in fact, 55 gallons, and have been for millennia, and it is from that metric that we get the modern barrel sizes. So all wine is from 55 gallon drums, if you want to be pedantic about it.

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2013-06-24 11:58:12 AM
The best part of learning about wine is drinking lots of wine.

If you say you don't like wine, it's possible you just haven't tried the right kind.

Protip: Red wine in a mug will pass for coffee under most indoor lighting.
 
2013-06-24 12:00:57 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: I have some of this, waiting for the right occasion:

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The right occasion possibly being "I'm thirsty."


How long are you supposed to age that? I know Cabs take longer, but I don't know about non-Cab blends.

meat0918: I like wine, but it took walking into a lumber mill that was cutting oak for me to finally figure out why I don't like merlot, as well as bourbon, or anything that has touched an oak cask or had oak chips added to it at some point.

The smell of the oak being cut turned my stomach.

//Don't remember if it was white or red oak being cut that day.


Red oak. The sap smells like puke. They make booze barrels out of white oak, which doesn't smell bad. It contributes the buttery flavor in chardonnay. Charred oak puts the smokey taste in whiskey.

/Grew up in a house heated with wood; HATED when we cut up a red oak. But you get a hell of a lot of wood from one, and it burns forever. Doesn't smell bad when burned.
 
2013-06-24 12:01:13 PM
A wine expert will think white wine is red wine if you just add a bit of food colouring. It has to do with expectations and how that affects the senses. Same goes for the cost of the wine. Take the best wine in the world and put it in a bottle with a ten dollar price tag and the experts will practically spit it out saying it tastes like dog piss.
 
2013-06-24 12:01:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Personally, I tend to buy between 8 and 30 dollar bottles.


I expect to pay more for a nice Chablis or a Bordeaux, but I won't go over $30 a bottle.  It's just not worth it.
 
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