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(Huffington Post UK)   Irish Roman Catholic priests: The reason the Irish people have become pagans has nothing to do with Catholic church. Have become?   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 104
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2013-06-24 11:33:56 AM
Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.
 
2013-06-24 11:39:51 AM

Cythraul: Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.



I saw a group of pagans out at the park for the solstice the other night. It could have been a photoshoot for People of Walmart.
 
2013-06-24 12:00:08 PM
The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan. And they believe that 'evangelisation' is the answer."

Um, excuse me? Pagan spirituality is just as valid as christian spirituality. Many pagans reject consumer culture and consumerism and hate corporate culture.
 
2013-06-24 12:01:53 PM

Sybarite: Cythraul: Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.


I saw a group of pagans out at the park for the solstice the other night. It could have been a photoshoot for People of Walmart.


I held my ritual in a private location and not in public. Most pagans will keep their rituals quiet and out of sight. I said most...some like to freak the mundanes. It's just a different style is all.
 
2013-06-24 12:35:57 PM
Are atheists considered pagan?

My Irish part of me wants to know.

The Welsh, Scottish and Danish parts of me look disdainfully on the Irish part of me.
 
2013-06-24 12:41:27 PM
I think more people are turning to pagan beliefs because Christianity is mostly populated with greedy vain authoritarians who demand mindless obedience even in the face of their corruption. Pagans are more along the lines of "do good, harm none, have sex, don't feel guilty about it".
 
2013-06-24 12:43:28 PM
Maybe they would give a sh*t about the church more if it wasn't for the decades, nay, centuries of priests basically ruling over people in small villages like tyrants.

SecretAgentWoman: Are atheists considered pagan?

My Irish part of me wants to know.

The Welsh, Scottish and Danish parts of me look disdainfully on the Irish part of me.


I'm Scotch-Irish, Welsh, German, and Flemish.

Assuming that you're an atheist, what do you care what label other people are trying to place on you?
 
2013-06-24 12:51:39 PM
They say that like its a bad thing
 
2013-06-24 12:53:28 PM
Having just become the Fylkir of the Reformed Norse faith (and Emperor of Britannia), I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies.
 
2013-06-24 12:53:38 PM
I wish we could still call it "Happy Pagan Sex Day" instead of "Easter".

Thanks, Christians. o_o
 
2013-06-24 12:55:37 PM
Strange, my Gran used to call me a "wee pagan" when I was a kid. I wonder if the priests are using it the way that she did- meaning unruly and disrespectful.
 
2013-06-24 12:57:12 PM
I work witha bible thumper, Ive shared a few stories about her here. If anyone has driven me further from the church it's her. She has gotten better after everyone told her to STFU. She did go to the boss and told that we "mocked" her and her religion. The boss asked me about it I told her that we did but only after she wouldnt can it with her preaching. Sometimes I wish the wiccan guy still worked her he was pretty cool and knew a lot and really could verbally tear up a fundie if they got in his face. It was a beautiful sight to see. I really hope she goes back to ole Liberty U......SOON!
 
2013-06-24 12:57:51 PM
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the decades of effort you put into covering up any case of a priest sexually abusing someone.

Hard to trust someone who lied to you like that.

No...it's really society's fault.
 
2013-06-24 12:57:59 PM

Weaver95: I think more people are turning to pagan beliefs because Christianity is mostly populated with greedy vain authoritarians who demand mindless obedience even in the face of their corruption. Pagans are more along the lines of "do good, harm none, have sex, don't feel guilty about it".


At least until they become popular. Then you are going to see the push for compulsory birch bark loin cloths.
 
2013-06-24 12:58:12 PM
I'll take paganism over any other organized spirituality... At least, they acknowledge the natural world as it is and don't live for some mythical afterlife. Plus, they're usually not nearly as uptight and closed-minded as the average bible thumper.
 
2013-06-24 12:58:19 PM
FTA: ...not due to any difficulties in the Church or with the priesthood, but are caused by a lack of faith in the people.

So, Mr. Bishopy Dude... the Church has been doing a bang-up job?
 
2013-06-24 12:58:59 PM
about 90% of the Pagans I know of one flavor or another, and I know lots of 'em, are ex-Roman Catholics.  I figure it all has to do with missing the ritual and pageantry they've been trained to associate with a "religious" experience.
 
2013-06-24 01:01:12 PM

Cythraul: Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.


www.heyuguys.co.uk
 
2013-06-24 01:05:34 PM

Weaver95: The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan. And they believe that 'evangelisation' is the answer."

Um, excuse me? Pagan spirituality is just as valid as christian spirituality. Many pagans reject consumer culture and consumerism and hate corporate culture.


You think Catholic priests actually know what paganism is? It's just a general insult for them, meaning "non-church-goer."

Wow, the tone of that report was amazingly negative and resigned. They seemed to basically be saying, "Stick a fork in the Irish church, it's done. Our priests are burnt out, the people don't care about us, and we have no ideas for how to fix either of those things except maybe ordaining married ex-priests."

What they need is a good potato famine; disaster always drives people back into the arms of their imaginary protectors.
 
2013-06-24 01:06:09 PM
Good. All the fat chicks are in the back. But isn't that a Welsh dragon on the caped one during the mime training.

i.huffpost.com
 
2013-06-24 01:07:21 PM

nmemkha: Cythraul: Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.

[www.heyuguys.co.uk image 640x360]


While entirely suck, that movie was worth the punch to a woman's face while wearing a bear suit
 
2013-06-24 01:07:33 PM
FTFA: "The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan

No, it sounds more like they bought into "capitalism". Fret not because to many in the U.S., it is a fundamental part of being a "Christian".
 
2013-06-24 01:07:57 PM
FTA:  The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan.

Sounds like the Catholic Church has confused secular with pagan.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:22 PM

nmemkha: Cythraul: Are they going to bring back pagan sex rituals? Giggity.

[www.heyuguys.co.uk image 640x360]


I'd never noticed before that apparently the bee girl from the Blind Melon video is standing around in the crowd in that shot. That's kind of funny.
 
2013-06-24 01:08:59 PM
This has nothing to do with "paganism as religion" and more to do with "paganism as lack of Christianity." What it boils down to is these guys getting pissy because they're not in charge like they used to be.
 
2013-06-24 01:10:04 PM

groppet: She has gotten better after everyone told her to STFU. She did go to the boss and told that we "mocked" her and her religion. The boss asked me about it I told her that we did but only after she wouldnt can it with her preaching.


This part reminded me of a woman I used to work with at a company 10 years ago. I haven't thought about it in so long, and it made me laugh. She was very religious and outspoken about her faith. When she started working at the company she noticed the manufacturing workers would have their lunch separate from the main office workers. This was simply because they were hourly employees, assigned a lunch time, and our office lunch room was tiny. But being new and not knowing this, she determined this was because they were mostly Hispanic and Asian, and everyone else was white. So she would loudly announce that she was going to eat lunch with them every day in an effort to be more Christian, bridge the cultural gaps, and bring more unity to the company. After a week of forced socialization during their lunch break, the manufacturing employees filed a complaint with HR asking to keep her out of the damn lunch room during their breaks.
 
2013-06-24 01:11:26 PM

BitwiseShift: Good. All the fat chicks are in the back. But isn't that a Welsh dragon on the caped one during the mime training.

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No, that's a griffin. And they're not in Ireland. The dolmens in the back may give you a hint as to location.
 
2013-06-24 01:12:57 PM

ms_lara_croft: FTA:  The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan.

Sounds like the Catholic Church has confused secular with pagan.


I believe "pagan" is just Irish slang for "unbeliever." Because the pre-Christian Irish WERE pagans.
 
2013-06-24 01:13:36 PM

Facetious_Speciest: This has nothing to do with "paganism as religion" and more to do with "paganism as lack of Christianity." What it boils down to is these guys getting pissy because they're not in charge like they used to be.


The aricle seems to imply that the church assumed everyone not them was an immoral pleasure seeking sinner doomed to the fiery pits of hell. The fact that the church has serious issues seems to not have occurred to them yet.
 
2013-06-24 01:13:49 PM
A woman died in Ireland because she was willfully denied an abortion by Irish Catholic Dogma.
 
2013-06-24 01:14:28 PM
Pagan spirituality is just as valid as Christian spirituality.

Sure, Except for the part where pagans burn in hell for all eternity.
 
2013-06-24 01:15:21 PM
I'm actually pretty careful to stay in the broom closet at work. I don't make an issue out of the fact that I'm pagan.
 
2013-06-24 01:16:39 PM

Weaver95: I think more people are turning to pagan beliefs because Christianity is mostly populated with greedy vain authoritarians who demand mindless obedience even in the face of their corruption. Pagans are more along the lines of "do good, harm none, have sex, don't feel guilty about it".


i've never really understood the notion of shopping for a belief structure based on the ethics.  the ethics, in my opinion, or born from the metaphysics. there may be a lot of religions whose ethics are nice, but I can't just rewrite my belief in the fundamental nature of existence and laws of nature.  I can, however, re-write the ethics within my metaphysic.  because it's pretty easy to make mistakes in determining how one should live from inconsiderate determinations of natural and supernatural fact.

but, the evil of someone else who happens to have the same metaphysical beliefs as me in no way offends those metaphysics.  it just means, that dude's an asshole.  the fact that there are more assholes than good people, still doesn't alter the metaphysics.  it just means, the majority of people are assholes.
 
2013-06-24 01:16:57 PM

Z1P2: Pagan spirituality is just as valid as Christian spirituality.

Sure, Except for the part where pagans burn in hell for all eternity.


That only happens to Christians. Pagans reincarnate until they've learned all we need to learn. Then we move on.
 
2013-06-24 01:17:07 PM

BitwiseShift: Good. All the fat chicks are in the back. But isn't that a Welsh dragon on the caped one during the mime training.

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That's a Gryphon. Y Ddraig Goch looks a bit different.
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2013-06-24 01:17:13 PM
From TFA: "There seems to be a substantial number of bishops, and some priests, who believe that the problems we are facing are not due to any difficulties in the Church or with the priesthood, but are caused by a lack of faith in the people. The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan."

Yep, that's Catholic Church logic for you. In its eyes, people losing faith in Catholic religion to practice another one is the same thing as materialism and consumerism. It's like when people accuse Obama of being a Communist and a Fascist in the same sentence but not understanding how Communism and Fascism are the opposite of each other. Then again, this accusation by the Catholic Church of Ireland's so-called paganism is probably sour grapes over Ireland's closure of the Vatican embassy back in 2011, an embassy that I'm pretty sure is still closed: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-vatican-ireland-idUSTRE7A 33D120111104">http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-vatican-ir eland-idUSTRE7A 33D120111104.
 
2013-06-24 01:18:14 PM

Weaver95: That only happens to Christians. Pagans reincarnate until they've learned all we need to learn. Then we move on.


If reincarnation is real, and say karma is a real thing

What the fark did I do to someone or someones to end up living in this shiathole state Indiana?
 
2013-06-24 01:18:23 PM
Gimme that olde tyme religion ...
 
2013-06-24 01:19:55 PM

ms_lara_croft: FTA:  The people, they told us, have bought into the evils of materialism and consumerism, and don't have time or interest in faith any more. They have, to all intents and purposes, become pagan.

Sounds like the Catholic Church has confused secular with pagan.


Just add it to the list of shiat The Church Is Confused About. Good thing we moved it to an electronic version. The printing costs were eating us alive.
 
2013-06-24 01:20:03 PM
Makes me wish I'd gotten Irish citizenship when I had the opportunity. Too late now.
 
2013-06-24 01:20:40 PM
pute kisses like a man

i've never really understood the notion of shopping for a belief structure based on the ethics.

I can, in certain circumstances. I.e., assume for a moment that Judeolamanity is correct, that there's one god, he set everything into motion, he knows all. That means he set up all these trials and tribulations and hoops to jump through for no real reason. Assuming I believe that, it seems my moral duty as a sapient being is to resist his tyranny at every turn. Maybe Lucifer will help me out...

/not a Luciferian or anything
 
2013-06-24 01:20:52 PM
Sergeant Neil Howie: But what of the true God, to whose Glory, churches and monasteries have been built on these islands for generations past? Now sir, what of Him?
Lord Summerisle: He's dead. He can't complain. He had His chance and in modern parlance, "blew it."
 
2013-06-24 01:23:07 PM
Weaver95

Pagans reincarnate until they've learned all we need to learn. Then we move on.

That depends entirely on what you're defining as "paganism." Some of us go somewhere else, never to return. Some of us reincarnate. Some of us wink out. Some of us come together like waves upon a shore, to dissolve into a million molecules that come together to form another wave (sorta reincarnation).

There is no Pagan religion. There are a lot of religions that are pagan(ish).
 
2013-06-24 01:28:15 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Weaver95

Pagans reincarnate until they've learned all we need to learn. Then we move on.

That depends entirely on what you're defining as "paganism." Some of us go somewhere else, never to return. Some of us reincarnate. Some of us wink out. Some of us come together like waves upon a shore, to dissolve into a million molecules that come together to form another wave (sorta reincarnation).

There is no Pagan religion. There are a lot of religions that are pagan(ish).


Funny, you don't look paganish.
 
2013-06-24 01:31:18 PM

Facetious_Speciest: This has nothing to do with "paganism as religion" and more to do with "paganism as lack of Christianity." What it boils down to is these guys getting pissy because they're not in charge like they used to be.



They actually get into trouble for abusing children these days.
 
2013-06-24 01:32:27 PM

Facetious_Speciest: That means he set up all these trials and tribulations and hoops to jump through for no real reason. Assuming I believe that, it seems my moral duty


you based the ethic on the assumption that there is one god who set up all these trials and tribulations, etc.  the assumption is your metaphysical.  if you believed in that, then your moral duty is to do whatever.

if you went to another religion, you would have to deny the metaphysic that there is one god who set up all these trials and tribulations, etc.... if you just switch the ethics without the belief, that's like saying you don't actually believe in anything, you just want some ethics.
 
2013-06-24 01:35:30 PM
Agree that Irish Catholics are pagans:
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2013-06-24 01:36:01 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Weaver95

Pagans reincarnate until they've learned all we need to learn. Then we move on.

That depends entirely on what you're defining as "paganism." Some of us go somewhere else, never to return. Some of us reincarnate. Some of us wink out. Some of us come together like waves upon a shore, to dissolve into a million molecules that come together to form another wave (sorta reincarnation).

There is no Pagan religion. There are a lot of religions that are pagan(ish).


Tre enough. Ask 3 pagans what being pagan means and you'll get 7 different answers. But going to the Christian hell isn't going to be one of them. That's not our fate.
 
2013-06-24 01:38:10 PM
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Feckin' nationalistic stereotypes? Let's get a wee midget in here ta dance a jig!
 
2013-06-24 01:40:34 PM
pute kisses like a man

if you went to another religion, you would have to deny the metaphysic that there is one god who set up all these trials and tribulations, etc....

In my example, the metaphysics are the same; ethical considerations force a change in affiliation. You would still believe in the one-god, you just think he's a dick, so you go to another religion that recognises he's a dick, in line with your beliefs.

Though I suppose you could argue that various theistic Satanists and the like are just denominations of Christianity, which is another can of worms. The example was extremely limited, as I said.
 
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