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2013-06-24 08:59:11 AM  
*crickets*
 
2013-06-24 09:01:03 AM  
*more, slightly louder crickets*
 
2013-06-24 09:02:20 AM  
Who cares? The man's a coward who's running around to America's enemies selling secrets while people in this country call him a hero. It's amazing about pathetic both are.
 
2013-06-24 09:02:43 AM  
*a great upswelling of crickets*
 
2013-06-24 09:03:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: Who cares? The man's a coward who's running around to America's enemies selling secrets while people in this country call him a hero. It's amazing about pathetic both are.


U mad.
 
2013-06-24 09:08:40 AM  

WTF Indeed: Who cares? The man's a coward who's running around to America's enemies selling secrets while people in this country call him a hero. It's amazing about pathetic both are.


The UK Guardian is an enemy of America?

That I didn't know.
 
2013-06-24 09:08:52 AM  
Since China provided the money to buy the computers and pay for the workers in the US, one could argue they technically own all that as the bill has not been paid.....just a thought.
 
2013-06-24 09:11:02 AM  
Ecuador is a strange choice, it's literally what the US would consider backyard. Seems like he wants to get caught.

/personal knowledge of US embassy personal in Ecuador being complete dufuses
 
2013-06-24 09:11:19 AM  

WTF Indeed: Who cares? The man's a coward who's running around to America's enemies selling secrets while people in this country call him a hero. It's amazing about pathetic both are.


Yep, he's a real coward, risking a lifetime in prison to do what he believes is right. He's not a super heroic patriot like you.
 
2013-06-24 09:12:43 AM  

WTF Indeed: Who cares? The man's a coward who's running around to America's enemies selling secrets while people in this country call him a hero. It's amazing about pathetic both are.


Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?
 
2013-06-24 09:14:14 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, he's a real coward, risking a lifetime in prison to do what he believes is right. He's not a super heroic patriot like you.


I believe I should be able to punch 'bros' in the face for being douchey without being charged with anything, but I'm pretty sure the law says otherwise.
 
2013-06-24 09:16:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?


Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.
 
2013-06-24 09:18:50 AM  

WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.


Who said he's offering secrets? They might be giving him free passage because he's giving them great entertainment by exposing America's leadership for the assholes they are.
 
2013-06-24 09:18:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.


So he did all this for free air fare. That's a theory.
 
2013-06-24 09:19:43 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, he's a real coward, risking a lifetime in prison to do what he believes is right. He's not a super heroic patriot like you.

I believe I should be able to punch 'bros' in the face for being douchey without being charged with anything, but I'm pretty sure the law says otherwise.


He has been charged.
 
2013-06-24 09:19:49 AM  
When did Yahoo's comment section become derpier than free republic?
 
2013-06-24 09:19:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, he's a real coward, risking a lifetime in prison to do what he believes is right. He's not a super heroic patriot like you.

I believe I should be able to punch 'bros' in the face for being douchey without being charged with anything, but I'm pretty sure the law says otherwise.


And some people, unlike you, are willing to take the risks that breaking the law entails to to combat what they believe to be a moral or ethical wrong.
 
2013-06-24 09:25:32 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: When did Yahoo's comment section become derpier than free republic?


People dumb enough to continue using yahoo, etc etc.
 
2013-06-24 09:26:47 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: And some people, unlike you, are willing to take the risks that breaking the law entails to to combat what they believe to be a moral or ethical wrong.


Fighting Jim Crow laws = Fighting a moral and ethical wrong

Fighting for Marriage Equality = Fighting a moral and ethical wrong

Releasing classified documents and then running like a little b*tch= NOT Fighting a moral and ethical wrong
 
2013-06-24 09:27:20 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: When did Yahoo's comment section become derpier than free republic?


It's always been bad, but I noticed a remarkable decrease in quality when Fox News shut down the comments on their site. I guess even Fox couldn't handle the derp their comments created, and everyone migrated over to Yahoo.
 
2013-06-24 09:27:28 AM  
"We are a pretty stubborn country and so is the United States. Both are mighty countries, so I would say this has a good potential to turn into a big fuss in bilateral relations," said Ina Sosna, manager of a Moscow cleaning company.

dafuq?
 
2013-06-24 09:27:55 AM  
the newest derping point is that people put stuff on facebook so it should be no big deal if the government spies on everyone without warrants
 
2013-06-24 09:29:00 AM  
Question.

What would happen if Obama pardoned Snowden? It won't happen and it has no possibility of happening, but what if he did? What would that kind of bucking the "we HAVE to do this to save face" bullshiat do to foreign relations and the perception of this country?
 
2013-06-24 09:29:06 AM  

MithrandirBooga: Almost Everybody Poops: When did Yahoo's comment section become derpier than free republic?

It's always been bad, but I noticed a remarkable decrease in quality when Fox News shut down the comments on their site. I guess even Fox couldn't handle the derp their comments created, and everyone migrated over to Yahoo.


Huh, I noticed fox news doesn't have comments.  Any specific article that caused them to do that?

Oh, and keeping on topic, I heard that he's in an area of the Moscow airport where he doesn't have to go through customs, thus avoiding going onto Russian territory.
 
2013-06-24 09:30:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.

So he did all this for free air fare. That's a theory.


It's a pretty dumb one.  He's a political hot potato; countries are happy to see the back of him.

hinten: Ecuador is a strange choice, it's literally what the US would consider backyard. Seems like he wants to get caught.

/personal knowledge of US embassy personal in Ecuador being complete dufuses


Funny thing about international law: distnance doesn't matter.  It would be easier for us to extradite someone from Japan than Switzerland, as we have closer relations with the Japanese.

You have to actually be insane to live in Iceland, and Switzerland will only take you if you have a boatload of cash.  Ecuador has a nice climate, stable government, and plenty of American ex-pats.
 
2013-06-24 09:30:36 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: And some people, unlike you, are willing to take the risks that breaking the law entails to to combat what they believe to be a moral or ethical wrong.

Fighting Jim Crow laws = Fighting a moral and ethical wrong

Fighting for Marriage Equality = Fighting a moral and ethical wrong

Releasing classified documents and then running like a little b*tch= NOT Fighting a moral and ethical wrong


I didn't realize you were the universal authority on morals and ethics.

Tell us, as the universal authority on morals and ethics, where does misleading the American people about massive gathering of data on citizens by the Government fall?
 
2013-06-24 09:33:20 AM  

Bloody William: Question.

What would happen if Obama pardoned Snowden? It won't happen and it has no possibility of happening, but what if he did? What would that kind of bucking the "we HAVE to do this to save face" bullshiat do to foreign relations and the perception of this country?


It would be a shiatstorm if he does it now.  A storm of epic proportions for no other reason than the GOP will make it one.  It would also be a confession that what the NSA has been doing is wrong.

Now, if Obama pardons him on the way out of office, it will be an entirely different situation.
 
2013-06-24 09:37:19 AM  
He'll be in Ecuador by the end of the month.
 
2013-06-24 09:38:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Bloody William: Question.

What would happen if Obama pardoned Snowden? It won't happen and it has no possibility of happening, but what if he did? What would that kind of bucking the "we HAVE to do this to save face" bullshiat do to foreign relations and the perception of this country?

It would be a shiatstorm if he does it now.  A storm of epic proportions for no other reason than the GOP will make it one.  It would also be a confession that what the NSA has been doing is wrong.

Now, if Obama pardons him on the way out of office, it will be an entirely different situation.


I'd like to see a shiatstorm. Instead of the constant dance of people doing "what they have to" based on political situations, let's see some bucking of what's expected. I'm pissed that things are like they are and that Obama has allowed and even encouraged it, but considering how bizarrely deterministic politics is I wonder how much "choice" he had. I'd love to see some flipping of the script.
 
2013-06-24 09:38:44 AM  

Bloody William: Question.

What would happen if Obama pardoned Snowden? It won't happen and it has no possibility of happening, but what if he did? What would that kind of bucking the "we HAVE to do this to save face" bullshiat do to foreign relations and the perception of this country?


It would show that this whole thing is the giant farce it truly is.
 
2013-06-24 09:42:06 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.

So he did all this for free air fare. That's a theory.

It's a pretty dumb one.  He's a political hot potato; countries are happy to see the back of him.

hinten: Ecuador is a strange choice, it's literally what the US would consider backyard. Seems like he wants to get caught.

/personal knowledge of US embassy personal in Ecuador being complete dufuses

Funny thing about international law: distnance doesn't matter.  It would be easier for us to extradite someone from Japan than Switzerland, as we have closer relations with the Japanese.

You have to actually be insane to live in Iceland, and Switzerland will only take you if you have a boatload of cash.  Ecuador has a nice climate, stable government, and plenty of American ex-pats.


I didn't mean backyard because of distance but backyard because the US treats most SA countries as its own plantation and oil field.
 
2013-06-24 09:42:39 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.

So he did all this for free air fare. That's a theory.


Fugitive globetrotting.  It's in his bucket list.
 
2013-06-24 09:43:18 AM  

Bloody William: I'd like to see a shiatstorm. Instead of the constant dance of people doing "what they have to" based on political situations, let's see some bucking of what's expected. I'm pissed that things are like they are and that Obama has allowed and even encouraged it, but considering how bizarrely deterministic politics is I wonder how much "choice" he had. I'd love to see some flipping of the script.


The problem would be that NOTHING would get accomplished between now and 2016.  You think the last few years have been bad, with Congress focused on nothing but repealing Obamacare?  If they have something like this to rally round, it would be likely that they would even manage to pass a budget to keep the lights on between now and the end of Obama's term.
 
2013-06-24 09:44:23 AM  

WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: Where has it been reported that he's selling anything?

Purchasing free passage through nations by offering secrets is still considered selling.


sooo which of those countries he past thru is our enemy??
     or if not one of those....  then who??
 
2013-06-24 09:45:41 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Bloody William: I'd like to see a shiatstorm. Instead of the constant dance of people doing "what they have to" based on political situations, let's see some bucking of what's expected. I'm pissed that things are like they are and that Obama has allowed and even encouraged it, but considering how bizarrely deterministic politics is I wonder how much "choice" he had. I'd love to see some flipping of the script.

The problem would be that NOTHING would get accomplished between now and 2016.  You think the last few years have been bad, with Congress focused on nothing but repealing Obamacare?  If they have something like this to rally round, it would be likely that they would even manage to pass a budget to keep the lights on between now and the end of Obama's term.


When the opposition says "no" to everything anyway, what disincentive could there be? Are they going to say "no" louder? They say "no" to their own ideas if the president supports him. Why should he try to appease them when there is nothing to gain from it?
 
2013-06-24 09:46:15 AM  
I think most of the world is supporting of Snowden's actions both in releasing the information that governments are spying relentlessly on their citizens in without warrants or oversight and his running away from the USA because everyone knows that the US has effectively tortured Bradley Manning leaving him in solitary confinement for a year.
 
2013-06-24 09:51:29 AM  

CPennypacker: When the opposition says "no" to everything anyway, what disincentive could there be? Are they going to say "no" louder? They say "no" to their own ideas if the president supports him. Why should he try to appease them when there is nothing to gain from it?


DO you remember the amount of bullshiat that went on over Clinton's pardons, after he left office?  Then multiple that by a million.

hinten: I didn't mean backyard because of distance but backyard because the US treats most SA countries as its own plantation and oil field.


Then you really haven't been paying attention to the shift in the balance of things in the last twenty years.

Faddy: US has effectively tortured Bradley Manning leaving him in solitary confinement for a year.


oh fer fark's sake.
 
2013-06-24 09:57:21 AM  

Faddy: the US has effectively tortured Bradley Manning leaving him in solitary confinement for a year.


Consider for a second what would happen to a slight statured gay man accused of betraying America in a general prison population.
 
2013-06-24 09:59:17 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: CPennypacker: When the opposition says "no" to everything anyway, what disincentive could there be? Are they going to say "no" louder? They say "no" to their own ideas if the president supports him. Why should he try to appease them when there is nothing to gain from it?

DO you remember the amount of bullshiat that went on over Clinton's pardons, after he left office?  Then multiple that by a million.


I don't have to imagine it, I can watch it on CSPAN right now
 
2013-06-24 10:02:17 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Faddy: the US has effectively tortured Bradley Manning leaving him in solitary confinement for a year.

Consider for a second what would happen to a slight statured gay man accused of betraying America in a general prison population.


Gen pop in a military prison, where there are likely people who'd kill Manning just for the notarity,
 
2013-06-24 10:05:36 AM  
Those sure are some scary, defiant Russians. I mean, look at those biatches, with their walkies talkies!

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-24 10:08:55 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Then you really haven't been paying attention to the shift in the balance of things in the last twenty years.


WTF are you talking about? Anyway, doesn't matter, he's going to Cuba.
 
2013-06-24 10:09:13 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Yep, he's a real coward, risking a lifetime in prison to do what he believes is right. He's not a super heroic patriot like you.

I believe I should be able to punch 'bros' in the face for being douchey without being charged with anything, but I'm pretty sure the law says otherwise.


Exposing secret wiretapping/datamining programs that are a result of an alarming interpretation of a bad law (Patriot Act) is not a crime.  We have become the kind of country that we were taught we weren't.  The exposure of this program has not hurt our national security, the people who actually try to harm us already use tradecraft and stay off of most forms of electronic communication (and even then, will speak in code), the only thing the exposure of this abortion does is bruise the president's ego and make it harder for the powers that be to conduct it without any meaningful oversight.
 
2013-06-24 10:13:37 AM  

hinten: Dwight_Yeast: Then you really haven't been paying attention to the shift in the balance of things in the last twenty years.

WTF are you talking about? Anyway, doesn't matter, he's going to Cuba.


You pretty much just proved his point about having not payed attention to it.
 
2013-06-24 10:15:34 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Faddy: the US has effectively tortured Bradley Manning leaving him in solitary confinement for a year.

Consider for a second what would happen to a slight statured gay man accused of betraying America in a general prison population.


If I was put in prison for some reason, I would request to be put in solitary (with a stack of books).  And, I'm am not slight, gay, nor accused of betraying the USA.  I'm just sensibly afraid of what happens in general population.
 
2013-06-24 10:19:09 AM  

DeArmondVI: hinten: Dwight_Yeast: Then you really haven't been paying attention to the shift in the balance of things in the last twenty years.

WTF are you talking about? Anyway, doesn't matter, he's going to Cuba.

You pretty much just proved his point about having not payed attention to it.


Thank you.
 
2013-06-24 10:19:37 AM  

theknuckler_33: "We are a pretty stubborn country and so is the United States. Both are mighty countries, so I would say this has a good potential to turn into a big fuss in bilateral relations," said Ina Sosna, manager of a Moscow cleaning company.

dafuq?


BTFY
 
2013-06-24 10:48:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: *crickets*


Dwight_Yeast: *more, slightly louder crickets*


It's as if the media and Washington have their collective heads firmly stuck up their ass so they can't see or hear that the American people AND MOST OF THE WORLD are pissed off at both.
 
2013-06-24 10:51:05 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: DeArmondVI: hinten: Dwight_Yeast: Then you really haven't been paying attention to the shift in the balance of things in the last twenty years.

WTF are you talking about? Anyway, doesn't matter, he's going to Cuba.

You pretty much just proved his point about having not payed attention to it.

Thank you.


That's some awesome backslapping there. I thought we could move on since he is not flying to Ecuador but why don't you provide one metric that shows that US - Ecuadorian has soured over the last twenty years.
There certainly was the Assange issue but anything else, economic, political or social factors would indicate that the relationship between the two countries is actually closer. And the Assange brouhaha wasn't even about Assange himself but about leaking cables on that topic.
to give another metric, twenty years ago, privatization of an American company or the thread of was common in Ecuador. That hasn't happened in years.
 
2013-06-24 10:51:51 AM  

verbaltoxin: Bloody William: Question.

What would happen if Obama pardoned Snowden? It won't happen and it has no possibility of happening, but what if he did? What would that kind of bucking the "we HAVE to do this to save face" bullshiat do to foreign relations and the perception of this country?

It would show that this whole thing is the giant farce it truly is.


Washington would be in a tizzy about it; but then again Americans are POed that Washington not giving much of a fark about it to begin with.
 
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