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2013-06-23 05:54:16 PM
Borowitz...this is attempted satire or humor or something, right?
 
2013-06-23 06:10:08 PM
Well, corporations  are people.
 
2013-06-23 06:21:06 PM
Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.
 
2013-06-23 06:26:24 PM

DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.


Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"
 
2013-06-23 06:26:43 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Borowitz...this is attempted satire or humor or something, right?


Yes.

Also, nothing else in the New Yorker is ever that short. NOTHING
 
2013-06-23 07:43:07 PM
The charges that are still sealed and considered secret? Those charges?
 
2013-06-23 08:04:46 PM

DamnYankees: It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.


Pointing out treason is treason. Prepare for your punishment!
 
2013-06-23 08:07:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"




But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.
 
2013-06-23 08:20:47 PM

Darth_Lukecash: But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legalso far unchallenged and approved by the congress.


FTFY
 
2013-06-23 08:56:54 PM
Darth_Lukecash: But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.


So, all those people in the government who supported the policy that led to the government spying on all of us are labeling him a "traitor" for telling all of us that the government has been spying on us, and you agree that he is a traitor for telling citizens what the government has been doing to us behind our backs? How do those boots taste?
 
2013-06-23 09:01:17 PM

Darth_Lukecash: But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.


So were the contents of the Pentagon Papers.
 
2013-06-23 09:02:21 PM

El Pachuco: Darth_Lukecash: But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

So were the contents of the Pentagon Papers.


Actually, if it was unconstitutional it wasn't legal, even if it complied with statute.
 
2013-06-23 09:03:59 PM
"These charges send a clear message," the spokesman said. "In the United States, you can't spy on people."

And somewhere off in the hinterlands of Canada Alanis Morrissette's head is heard exploding scanners style.
 
2013-06-23 09:04:56 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"

But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.


Snowden is no more a traitor than George Washington was.
 
2013-06-23 09:09:31 PM
Is he a criminal? Most certainly, just based on the letter of the laws that he violated.

Would bringing him to stand trial be justice? I'm more iffy on that. I have a hard time believing that Americans are worse off because they're now aware that the government is spying on literally everything they put online or on their phones.

Honestly, I don't really see a reason to spend resources trying to get him, beyond the usual American government posturing and fist-shaking.

He's not a hero, but he's also not farking Bin Laden, either. No one was made less safe by his admissions (unless you somehow believe terrorists weren't already concerned about electronic surveillance.) He can only be a traitor if the enemy that received comfort is the American people.
 
2013-06-23 09:09:36 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information


No, he's not.  He's a *criminal* by revealing this information.  Blames of traitor/treason are a bit over done.
 
2013-06-23 09:09:56 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Borowitz...this is attempted satire or humor or something, right?


Bad satire.  Almost as bad as their cartoons.
 
2013-06-23 09:10:28 PM
all things being equal and quotation marks not withstanding i really hope a spokesman for my government didn't say those things.

this is enough of a clusterfark as it is without adding "the stupidity, it burns".
 
2013-06-23 09:10:32 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"



But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.


Congress cannot make it legal to violate the constitution.
 
2013-06-23 09:11:26 PM
 
2013-06-23 09:24:38 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information


No, he's not. He broke the law of disclosing classified information. That's an entirely separate law from treason. The whole point is that we need to stop militarizing everything as a "crime against the people!" and calm the fark down.
 
2013-06-23 09:29:53 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Darth_Lukecash: Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

No, he's not.  He's a *criminal* by revealing this information.  Blames of traitor/treason are a bit over done.


Pretty much. He's just a common criminal and should be dealt with as such.
 
2013-06-23 09:32:04 PM
It's all been downhill since

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 09:33:21 PM
Jason Bourne,an American, beat all this shiat. Pussies, all of you.
 
2013-06-23 09:33:46 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Borowitz...this is attempted satire or humor or something, right?


NSA and Jew: If you ever needed a sign that Jews feel fully integrated and accepted by society, consider this: Not one major Jewish group made a peep over the revelations of National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance.
We, who throughout the modern era have been followed, spied on, singled out, labeled, rounded up, tortured and killed at the hands of the state, are officially just fine with our government tracking our every word.


A bit of hyperbole there to be sure but is shows that Jews feel government spying on individuals serves their interests now. Dominant in every field (ivy league academia, media, finance, government, etc.), do Jews feel secure that the government is there to protect them from the rest of the public?
 
2013-06-23 09:34:29 PM
The Borowitz Report is satire.
 
2013-06-23 09:36:18 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"

But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.


If the government does it, it's legal?  What about the Japanese internment during WW2?  Didn't the Army intentionally infect some people with viruses?

Government spying on its citizens is wrong.
 
2013-06-23 09:38:37 PM
I know one thing: that guy ever comes around a card table you probably should get out of the game, cause a man with a poker face like that will pretty much leave you wearing a barrel.
 
2013-06-23 09:38:55 PM
wheres the source?  i want to see these actual spokesperson quotes
 
2013-06-23 09:43:48 PM

Bathia_Mapes: The Borowitz Report is satire.


Says the supposed admin.
 
2013-06-23 09:44:01 PM

Biological Ali: Satanic_Hamster: Darth_Lukecash: Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

No, he's not.  He's a *criminal* by revealing this information.  Blames of traitor/treason are a bit over done.

Pretty much. He's just a common criminal and should be dealt with as such.


"Common criminals" generally commit crimes of opportunity for their own benefit, usually monetary. What did Snowden possibly have to gain for himself knowing full well that his actions would result I either lengthy incarceration or fleeing for his home county leaving behind his friends and family perhaps forever? Yes, I get that you think the rest of us have no right to know what our government is doing to us because our government is infallible, and knows what is best for us and we have no right to criticize, for we are it humbleservants of the almighty state, but what did behave to gain by this?
 
2013-06-23 09:45:58 PM

AeAe: Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"

But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.

If the government does it, it's legal?  What about the Japanese internment during WW2?  Didn't the Army intentionally infect some people with viruses?

Government spying on its citizens is wrong.


Yes.  All that was legal.  Perfectly on the up and up.  And if anyone involved had revealed classified information in an effort to derail those programs they would have been breaking the law, breaking their pledges to keep the information secret.  They would have been traitors according to most people around here.

A lot of f*cking FARKers would call them bad guys.

What a sad, sad state of affairs.

One of the things I love(d) about FARK was that a lot of folks saw the difference between "legal" and "ethical."  I thought.
 
2013-06-23 09:49:37 PM

Nabb1: "Common criminals" generally commit crimes of opportunity for their own benefit, usually monetary. What did Snowden possibly have to gain for himself knowing full well that his actions would result I either lengthy incarceration or fleeing for his home county leaving behind his friends and family perhaps forever? Yes, I get that you think the rest of us have no right to know what our government is doing to us because our government is infallible, and knows what is best for us and we have no right to criticize, for we are it humbleservants of the almighty state, but what did behave to gain by this?


So if you commit a crime that's not to your benefit, it's not a crime?
 
2013-06-23 09:50:42 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Nabb1: "Common criminals" generally commit crimes of opportunity for their own benefit, usually monetary. What did Snowden possibly have to gain for himself knowing full well that his actions would result I either lengthy incarceration or fleeing for his home county leaving behind his friends and family perhaps forever? Yes, I get that you think the rest of us have no right to know what our government is doing to us because our government is infallible, and knows what is best for us and we have no right to criticize, for we are it humbleservants of the almighty state, but what did behave to gain by this?

So if you commit a crime that's not to your benefit, it's not a crime?


No, he said Snowden was a "common criminal." He may very well be a criminal.
 
2013-06-23 09:50:58 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"

But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.


This may shock you, but Congress, an institution with single-digit approval ratings, can sometimes be wrong. Courts can't effectively check the constitutionality of secret acts if they give undue deference to the state secrets privilege or the Catch-22 that secrecy obscures who may have standing to sue, because one or both of those show stoppers prevent lawsuits from being decided on the merits.
 
2013-06-23 09:51:31 PM
The three charges against Snowden are:

"theft of government property"
"unauthorized communication of national defense information"
"willful communication of classified communications of intelligence information to an unauthorized person"

The last two are from the 1917 Espionage Act.
Nothing about Treason, for you frothy-mouthed sieg-heil'ers in this thread.
 
2013-06-23 09:53:13 PM
This is why, kids, if any law enforcement agents ask you about anything, no matter how little you know about it, you tell them to fark off and come back with a subpoena.
 
2013-06-23 09:54:23 PM

Nabb1: No, he said Snowden was a "common criminal." He may very well be a criminal.


And some criminals are heroes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
 
2013-06-23 09:56:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: AeAe: Darth_Lukecash: Lionel Mandrake: DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.

Mr. A:  "I think the government is violating the Constitution with increasing regularity and to a frightening extent"

Mr B:  "Well...that pisses me off...fk the government"

Mr. A:  "Hey, look, this guy released information proving my claim!"

Mr. B:  "F*CK THAT GUY!  HANG HIM!!  F*CKING TRAITOR!!1!"

But here's the real issue: what the NSA did was legal and approved by the congress.

Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

Note:no one in congress is surprised by the NSA actions or calling this a scandal. Everyone is saying Snowden being a traitor.

If the government does it, it's legal?  What about the Japanese internment during WW2?  Didn't the Army intentionally infect some people with viruses?

Government spying on its citizens is wrong.

Yes.  All that was legal.  Perfectly on the up and up.  And if anyone involved had revealed classified information in an effort to derail those programs they would have been breaking the law, breaking their pledges to keep the information secret.  They would have been traitors according to most people around here.

A lot of f*cking FARKers would call them bad guys.

What a sad, sad state of affairs.

One of the things I love(d) about FARK was that a lot of folks saw the difference between "legal" and "ethical."  I thought.



Sometimes I am shocked at the people here who are such willing subjects of the state. I suppose one can rationalize it as serving a greater good. i.e. the state takes care of "the poor" (whoever the fock they are).  I can't do that. And don't start on the transgressions of the sainted Mr. Lincoln. Too late people realize once you piss away your rights too serve a great good......

img.fark.net

....you find out ITS A COOKBOOK.
 
2013-06-23 09:56:33 PM
The United States government charged former intelligence analyst Edward Snowden with spying on Friday, apparently unaware that in doing so it had created a situation dripping with irony.

Why yes, the irony is quite delicious. *nasal snort*
 
2013-06-23 10:00:45 PM

Lionel Mandrake: One of the things I love(d) about FARK was that a lot of folks saw the difference between "legal" and "ethical." I thought.


I know that feel, bro.

Our country was founded by traitors.  And that's good.
 
2013-06-23 10:03:18 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Nabb1: "Common criminals" generally commit crimes of opportunity for their own benefit, usually monetary. What did Snowden possibly have to gain for himself knowing full well that his actions would result I either lengthy incarceration or fleeing for his home county leaving behind his friends and family perhaps forever? Yes, I get that you think the rest of us have no right to know what our government is doing to us because our government is infallible, and knows what is best for us and we have no right to criticize, for we are it humbleservants of the almighty state, but what did behave to gain by this?

So if you commit a crime that's not to your benefit, it's not a crime?


Goes to motive.

And some laws need to be broken for the good of everyone.
 
2013-06-23 10:04:27 PM

DamnYankees: Aside from the horrible satire here, the charges are farking comical. It's only a hop skip and jump from totalitarian 'law' where the very idea of doing something illegal (i.e. against the government) is treason.


Well, that's what a lot of people seem to think. Even here on Fark.
 
2013-06-23 10:05:33 PM
What is the big secret that Snowden shockingly revealed?  That the NSA has been electronically eavesdropping on all of us?  That has not been a secret for many years now.
 
2013-06-23 10:06:08 PM

DamnYankees: Darth_Lukecash: Snowden is a traitor by revealing this information

No, he's not. He broke the law of disclosing classified information. That's an entirely separate law from treason. The whole point is that we need to stop militarizing everything as a "crime against the people!" and calm the fark down.


Crimes against the state are crimes against the people.  Said every statist ever.
 
2013-06-23 10:07:57 PM
Biological Ali
Pretty much. He's just a common criminal and should be dealt with as such.

The concept of whistleblowing no longer exists, apparently. Just like the concept that there's anything wrong with entrapment has gone out the window.


Lionel Mandrake
One of the things I love(d) about FARK was that a lot of folks saw the difference between "legal" and "ethical." I thought.

Ooh! Ohh! Hey! *waves arm frantically*
 
2013-06-23 10:10:18 PM

Bathia_Mapes: The Borowitz Report is satire.


Shhhh! You'll spoil all the fun!
 
2013-06-23 10:10:21 PM
The Emperor's New Clothes:  "But he has nothing on at all," said a little child at last.
 
2013-06-23 10:12:34 PM

sendtodave: Our country was founded by traitors. And that's good.





Our country was founded by traitors. And that's good.


There seems to be a lot of Americans - of all political stripes - who would gleefully string those traitorous bastards up.
 
2013-06-23 10:17:27 PM
At the end of this do we become a country worth bombing?
 
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