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(Daily Mail)   Owners of Welsh pub in NYC fined $2,500 for race discrimination after posting ads for bartenders with knowledge of British culture. HOW DARE THEY FIND SOMEONE TO HELP THEM SUCCEED   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 217
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2013-06-23 03:09:36 PM
I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.
 
2013-06-23 03:29:48 PM
Well, they didn't advertise for someone with "knowledge of British culture."  They advertised a preference for British people.  Whatever your opinion about that, there is at least a difference between those things.
 
2013-06-23 04:00:17 PM

poot_rootbeer: I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.


img.fark.net
More like a conspiracy.
 
2013-06-23 04:02:48 PM
Since it's the daily mail I"m going to assume what actually happened was as follows:

Bartender at Irish pub in New Jersey fined 250 dollars for gender discrimination after posting ad for plumber with own tools.
 
2013-06-23 05:27:02 PM
Since when is 'British' a race?
 
2013-06-23 05:44:15 PM

Relatively Obscure: Well, they didn't advertise for someone with "knowledge of British culture."  They advertised a preference for British people.  Whatever your opinion about that, there is at least a difference between those things.


Yeah, there is a difference between advertising for someone with knowledge of British culture and for advertising for a preference of someone who is British.

Of course, unless someone has been living in a cave, it is pretty obvious that being British in 2013 does not mean being of any particular race. You certainly don't have to be a white to be British, so neither is advertising for any particular race. If you can't prefer any one nationality over another in a job search, that is a different game than race or knowledge of the culture.
 
2013-06-23 05:57:49 PM

WorldCitizen: Relatively Obscure: Well, they didn't advertise for someone with "knowledge of British culture."  They advertised a preference for British people.  Whatever your opinion about that, there is at least a difference between those things.

Yeah, there is a difference between advertising for someone with knowledge of British culture and for advertising for a preference of someone who is British.

Of course, unless someone has been living in a cave, it is pretty obvious that being British in 2013 does not mean being of any particular race. You certainly don't have to be a white to be British, so neither is advertising for any particular race. If you can't prefer any one nationality over another in a job search, that is a different game than race or knowledge of the culture.


You say that, but lots of non-white British folk still get asked "Where are you from? No, where are you really from? No, like where are you from?" You don't have to be white to be British, but there's still an underlying assumption that you have to be white to be actually British because we still live in a pretty racist culture. An ad looking for someone who is British is going to be seen as looking for someone who is white. Ignoring racism and pretending it has somehow magically ended and we should interpret everything without any of the context of human history is absurd.
 
2013-06-23 06:02:16 PM

Kyosuke: Since when is 'British' a race?


WorldCitizen: Relatively Obscure: Well, they didn't advertise for someone with "knowledge of British culture."  They advertised a preference for British people.  Whatever your opinion about that, there is at least a difference between those things.

Yeah, there is a difference between advertising for someone with knowledge of British culture and for advertising for a preference of someone who is British.

Of course, unless someone has been living in a cave, it is pretty obvious that being British in 2013 does not mean being of any particular race. You certainly don't have to be a white to be British, so neither is advertising for any particular race. If you can't prefer any one nationality over another in a job search, that is a different game than race or knowledge of the culture.


Yeah, I think the article screwed up calling it "race" based discrimination.  It does seem on the surface to be "national origin" based discrimination, though, which is also protected against I believe.
 
2013-06-23 06:24:36 PM

Relatively Obscure: Yeah, I think the article screwed up calling it "race" based discrimination. It does seem on the surface to be "national origin" based discrimination, though, which is also protected against I believe.


"...without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin..."

So, yeah.
 
2013-06-23 08:04:57 PM
 
2013-06-23 08:07:44 PM
I wonder who complained.
 
2013-06-23 08:09:54 PM
Oh please. Fark would be up in arms if a white business owner wanted to only hire white people. Lib much, submitter?
 
2013-06-23 08:10:32 PM

Red Shirt Blues: poot_rootbeer: I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.


More like a conspiracy.


I cant belive we actually live in a day and age where mr. Dale gribble is actually a role model for so many in our society and a pillar in our community.

terms like racism and sexism get tossed around so much these days that They seem to have lost all meaning.
 
2013-06-23 08:10:35 PM
Stuff like this makes me wonder how lawn care companies get away with discrinsting against African Americans. Seriously, when was the last time you saw an African American out doing landscape work? If anything needs to be investigated, it's those lawn companies.
 
2013-06-23 08:12:31 PM
If they'd known more about American culture they would have done their discriminating during the interview process and not in the written advertisement. That's the American Way.
 
2013-06-23 08:13:18 PM

show me: Relatively Obscure: Yeah, I think the article screwed up calling it "race" based discrimination. It does seem on the surface to be "national origin" based discrimination, though, which is also protected against I believe.

"...without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin..."

So, yeah.


Still, most conservatives disagree with non-discrimination law in general.
 
2013-06-23 08:13:35 PM

TheOmni: WorldCitizen: Relatively Obscure: Well, they didn't advertise for someone with "knowledge of British culture."  They advertised a preference for British people.  Whatever your opinion about that, there is at least a difference between those things.

Yeah, there is a difference between advertising for someone with knowledge of British culture and for advertising for a preference of someone who is British.

Of course, unless someone has been living in a cave, it is pretty obvious that being British in 2013 does not mean being of any particular race. You certainly don't have to be a white to be British, so neither is advertising for any particular race. If you can't prefer any one nationality over another in a job search, that is a different game than race or knowledge of the culture.

You say that, but lots of non-white British folk still get asked "Where are you from? No, where are you really from? No, like where are you from?" You don't have to be white to be British, but there's still an underlying assumption that you have to be white to be actually British because we still live in a pretty racist culture. An ad looking for someone who is British is going to be seen as looking for someone who is white. Ignoring racism and pretending it has somehow magically ended and we should interpret everything without any of the context of human history is absurd.



I think that's precisely how we overcome racism and knee jerk reactions to things people perceive to be racist. If a British person who was black saw that ad, would they assume it meant "whites only"? I doubt it. But you have other people's reaction to it which injects racism where there was previously no indication it existed. So I say a big part of getting rid of racism is for people not to be on the lookout for it anywhere and everywhere.
 
2013-06-23 08:14:02 PM
Whale Oil Beef Hooked
 
2013-06-23 08:14:28 PM
So, if I post a help wanted ad that sounds possibly that I am looking for white people, that's bad.  But, a mexican restaurant can advertise an all Latin staff, and no one says a thing.  I worked for a company where the VP of HR said in an annual company conference that there were enough white people working for corporate,  so she was only going to be considering applicants from minorities and then explained a new leadership program to put bottom rung employees onto the fast track to management positions.  Minorities only.  The only people who clapped at my table were the two blacks.  No one else did because it was a minority wanting to discriminate against white people.
 
2013-06-23 08:14:38 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Red Shirt Blues: poot_rootbeer: I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.


More like a conspiracy.

I cant belive we actually live in a day and age where mr. Dale gribble is actually a role model for so many in our society and a pillar in our community.

terms like racism and sexism get tossed around so much these days that They

seem to have lost all meaning.

It's too late.
 
2013-06-23 08:15:49 PM

TheOmni: You say that, but lots of non-white British folk still get asked "Where are you from? No, where are you really from? No, like where are you from?" You don't have to be white to be British, but there's still an underlying assumption that you have to be white to be actually British because we still live in a pretty racist culture. An ad looking for someone who is British is going to be seen as looking for someone who is white. Ignoring racism and pretending it has somehow magically ended and we should interpret everything without any of the context of human history is absurd.


That's a thorny issue to broach. I've been out with girls who I know are "British", but whose ancestors came from "the subcontinent", and I've had to try to figure out which side, since both Hindus and Muslims live on either side, and if you guess based on religion and get it wrong you will be in worse trouble than if you didn't guess at all... It's helpful to know, for when you meet friends and family. So "where are you from?" isn't a bad question to ask, it's just a lazy way of phrasing it. There's no malice or prejudice in it. It's just lazy.
 
2013-06-23 08:16:02 PM
Hexk, I 'm thrilled that Welsh and British are considered the same thing by either group. PROGRESS!
 
2013-06-23 08:16:26 PM
They should have written the ad in Welsh.
 
2013-06-23 08:16:56 PM
$2,500 or $25,000,000 what difference does it make because of course they're going to welsh on paying the fine.  Or they could just gyp the city out of  whatever they wanted.
 
2013-06-23 08:17:51 PM

fireclown: Hexk, I 'm thrilled that Welsh and British are considered the same thing by either group. PROGRESS!


What group never considered those two the same?
 
2013-06-23 08:17:58 PM
They wouldn't hire me as a brain surgeon down at the local hospital!

I bet its because I'm 1/8 Jewish ... or maybe its the 1/16 Cherokee ...

In any case, farking haters ... I DESERVE MONEY!
 
2013-06-23 08:18:07 PM

BalugaJoe: I wonder who complained.


New York? Probably an actor or artist who spent a month in London.
 
2013-06-23 08:18:26 PM
Welsh is a race?
 
2013-06-23 08:19:24 PM
Half of the Daily Fail articles have the tone of "look what you get for being in America!"  I don't really believe most of the articles' details, but go for the gist of the article.  In this instance, I'll put it this way:
Sometimes, it's not what you say, but how you say it.
 
2013-06-23 08:21:11 PM

Red Shirt Blues: poot_rootbeer: I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.

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More like a conspiracy.


the mirror conspiracy

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2013-06-23 08:22:18 PM
The mistake being, of course, that it was in the ad.

Make people waste their time, and reject anyone who applies but doesn't have the requisite knowledge, and it's all good.

This all assumes, however, that this is a legitimate story and not just the shiat this rag normally serves up.
 
2013-06-23 08:22:33 PM

vudukungfu: Welsh is a race?


Oh yes, the Welsh have a strong tradition... of... people from Wales. Heros the size of Wales. Very ancient culture, untouched by modern society or comprehensible speech.
 
2013-06-23 08:22:46 PM
Seems kinda silly to fine them just for that advertisement.  Couldn't they just warn the shiat out of them first?
 
2013-06-23 08:23:12 PM

The DBS: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Red Shirt Blues: poot_rootbeer: I knew it was bullshiat when they didn't hire me to be a server at Hooters just because I'm an overweight ugly male.


More like a conspiracy.

I cant belive we actually live in a day and age where mr. Dale gribble is actually a role model for so many in our society and a pillar in our community.

terms like racism and sexism get tossed around so much these days that They seem to have lost all meaning.

It's too late.


I stand corrected
 
2013-06-23 08:23:15 PM
It's their business, they can hire anyone the fark they want to hire. Case closed.
 
2013-06-23 08:23:45 PM

vudukungfu: Welsh is a race?


A pretty poor one, but a race none the less.

Ahaha.

I'm sorry, I'm just making good use of the fact that the Welsh are the only people left it's okay to be racist about.

I recently learned I have Welsh ancestors, so it's okay.
 
2013-06-23 08:24:15 PM

Slaxl: fireclown: Hexk, I 'm thrilled that Welsh and British are considered the same thing by either group. PROGRESS!

What group never considered those two the same?


Do ho ho ho ho. Oh you.
 
2013-06-23 08:24:27 PM
WorldCitizen:
Of course, unless someone has been living in a cave, it is pretty obvious that being British in 2013 does not mean being of any particular race. You certainly don't have to be a white to be British, so neither is advertising for any particular race. If you can't prefer any one nationality over another in a job search, that is a different game than race or knowledge of the culture.

The British people exist, just as Germans or Swedes.
The British are not African, Chinese or Middle Eastern. They're British.
 
2013-06-23 08:24:38 PM

FedExPope: I think that's precisely how we overcome racism and knee jerk reactions to things people perceive to be racist. If a British person who was black saw that ad, would they assume it meant "whites only"? I doubt it. But you have other people's reaction to it which injects racism where there was previously no indication it existed. So I say a big part of getting rid of racism is for people not to be on the lookout for it anywhere and everywhere.


We live in a strongly racist society. There are a tremendous number of examples from all aspects of society. It's become much less accepted to be overtly racist (but still not completely unacceptable), but that's a pretty minor part of it. There's still huge inequalities, institutional racism and discrimination. The "color blind" approach to racism manages to ignore the existing problems and works to strengthen the status quo, which is racist. It's not looking out for it anywhere or everywhere, because it already is happening anywhere and everywhere. So we need to acknowledge that it is happening and work to fix it.
 
2013-06-23 08:24:54 PM
I like this comment under the article: "This in a city with hundreds, if not thousands, of Chinese restaurants that have 100% Chinese staffs."
 
2013-06-23 08:25:23 PM

UsikFark: vudukungfu: Welsh is a race?

Oh yes, the Welsh have a strong tradition... of... people from Wales. Heros the size of Wales. Very ancient culture, untouched by modern society or comprehensible speech.


are those the people that make grape soda???
 
2013-06-23 08:27:13 PM

Slaxl: fireclown: Hexk, I 'm thrilled that Welsh and British are considered the same thing by either group. PROGRESS!

What group never considered those two the same?


The English
 
2013-06-23 08:28:23 PM

kortex: Oh please. Fark would be up in arms if a white business owner wanted to only hire white people. Lib much, submitter?


No. Go visit the "Atlanta mugger shot dead by person waiting in line to buy sneaker" thread. Going by a lot of the comments there, I doubt a white business owner only wanting to hire a white person would bring on the outrage.

But I didn't think asking for someone with knowledge of British Culture was discriminatory.
 
2013-06-23 08:28:32 PM

TheOmni: FedExPope: I think that's precisely how we overcome racism and knee jerk reactions to things people perceive to be racist. If a British person who was black saw that ad, would they assume it meant "whites only"? I doubt it. But you have other people's reaction to it which injects racism where there was previously no indication it existed. So I say a big part of getting rid of racism is for people not to be on the lookout for it anywhere and everywhere.

We live in a strongly racist society. There are a tremendous number of examples from all aspects of society. It's become much less accepted to be overtly racist (but still not completely unacceptable), but that's a pretty minor part of it. There's still huge inequalities, institutional racism and discrimination. The "color blind" approach to racism manages to ignore the existing problems and works to strengthen the status quo, which is racist. It's not looking out for it anywhere or everywhere, because it already is happening anywhere and everywhere. So we need to acknowledge that it is happening and work to fix it.



We need to just relax and allow that race exists. It always has and always will. That doesn't mean you automatically hate people of other races.
 
2013-06-23 08:28:44 PM

Pardon Me Sultan: The mistake being, of course, that it was in the ad.

Make people waste their time, and reject anyone who applies but doesn't have the requisite knowledge, and it's all good.

This all assumes, however, that this is a legitimate story and not just the shiat this rag normally serves up.


Hiring someone for your open position:

1) Ask your friends and coworkers if they know someone.
2) Have them send in a resume.
3) Glance over it for keywords or felonies.
4) Post the job description.
5) Receive hundreds or resumes
6) Select ten candidates for phone interviews.
7) Meet your friend's friend for lunch.
8) Have an airhead from sales conduct phone interviews, promise to follow up.
9) Give your Friend's friend a tour and have them meet with HR for the paperwork.
10) Call everyone back and tell them you selected another candidate.
 
2013-06-23 08:29:23 PM
One race, human race, so say we all, etc etc.

The color of ones skin and the shape of ones eyes used to give you a general idea of the person's <b>culture</b>: how they'd act, what they were familiar with in terms of food, religion, etc.  Times have changed -- stereotypes don't apply anymore.  My New England white brother grew up listening to hip hop, rap, playing basketball (and getting into a fight every 25 seconds on the court about something or other), and calling his girlfriend his biatch.  That's a <b>culture</b> I shake my head at, but I'm not going to pick on all the white folk about changing their impolite ways.

As different groups of people (not even sure what to call it) become more diversified in their culture, you'll find Indians making better fish and chips than a person with 1000 years of family history in England.  Mexican food, like any food, has people claiming it is more authentic if so-and-so makes it but you know what: it has a recipe, and there are a damn lot of people who make really good Mexican food and they aren't from Mexico.  Same with Italian, Chinese, Thai, etc.

So it's dump stereotyping by race.  Better to single out people by how they act.  Obviously.
 
2013-06-23 08:29:27 PM
a ydych yn ddig?
 
2013-06-23 08:30:19 PM

Vectron: TheOmni: FedExPope: I think that's precisely how we overcome racism and knee jerk reactions to things people perceive to be racist. If a British person who was black saw that ad, would they assume it meant "whites only"? I doubt it. But you have other people's reaction to it which injects racism where there was previously no indication it existed. So I say a big part of getting rid of racism is for people not to be on the lookout for it anywhere and everywhere.

We live in a strongly racist society. There are a tremendous number of examples from all aspects of society. It's become much less accepted to be overtly racist (but still not completely unacceptable), but that's a pretty minor part of it. There's still huge inequalities, institutional racism and discrimination. The "color blind" approach to racism manages to ignore the existing problems and works to strengthen the status quo, which is racist. It's not looking out for it anywhere or everywhere, because it already is happening anywhere and everywhere. So we need to acknowledge that it is happening and work to fix it.


We need to just relax and allow that race exists. It always has and always will. That doesn't mean you automatically hate people of other races.


yeah nobody is the NOID.  that racist son of a biatch

myrottingbrain.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-23 08:30:58 PM
Because they couldn't afford a classified ad that said "Only hiring people from:

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 08:31:08 PM
I have wondered how Chinese restaurants get away with hiring Asian staff, Italians in Italian restaurants and Greek restaurants hiring Greeks, and I'm not talking about hiring the family, the big Lettuce Entertain You restaurant chain does that.

If figured that they hire and not hire who they want without saying why.
 
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