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(Salon)   NFL player Chris Kluwe finally got around to reading Atlas Shrugged. He didn't seem to like it   (salon.com) divider line 270
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2013-06-23 02:30:26 PM  
Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.
 
2013-06-23 02:33:13 PM  
FTA:  In reality, hurricanes hit coastlines, earthquakes knock down buildings, people crash cars or trip over rocks or get sick and miss work

In reality, special teams linebackers run into punters and cause brain injuries too.
 
2013-06-23 02:49:10 PM  
So, do you just hate punters or are you a nitwit?
 
2013-06-23 03:00:58 PM  

bulldg4life: So, do you just hate punters or are you a nitwit?


Both.
 
2013-06-23 03:02:12 PM  
If Kluwe understood Atlas Shrugged is meant to be read by teenagers, no literate person thinks of it as good writing or having a worthwhile premise. The same reason children like Poe, Rand is suited to brains that are undergoing change with wild swings in thinking, desire and understanding or just do not work right. If after reading Rand as a child it causes a person to explore humanists and talented writers like Umberto Eco and the idea of open textthan a good did come out of a bad read. If person read Rand as a blueprint for their life there is better than 50% chance they believe the earth is 6,000 years old as well...
 
2013-06-23 03:03:30 PM  

eurotrader: If Kluwe understood Atlas Shrugged is meant to be read by teenagers, no literate person thinks of it as good writing or having a worthwhile premise. The same reason children like Poe, Rand is suited to brains that are undergoing change with wild swings in thinking, desire and understanding or just do not work right. If after reading Rand as a child it causes a person to explore humanists and talented writers like Umberto Eco and the idea of open textthan a good did come out of a bad read. If person read Rand as a blueprint for their life there is better than 50% chance they believe the earth is 6,000 years old as well...


Come on now, let's not sully the name of Poe by associating him with Rand.
 
2013-06-23 03:29:17 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: eurotrader: If Kluwe understood Atlas Shrugged is meant to be read by teenagers, no literate person thinks of it as good writing or having a worthwhile premise. The same reason children like Poe, Rand is suited to brains that are undergoing change with wild swings in thinking, desire and understanding or just do not work right. If after reading Rand as a child it causes a person to explore humanists and talented writers like Umberto Eco and the idea of open textthan a good did come out of a bad read. If person read Rand as a blueprint for their life there is better than 50% chance they believe the earth is 6,000 years old as well...

Come on now, let's not sully the name of Poe by associating him with Rand.


Here here. Edgar actually wrote things that were both well written and worth reading. Ayn Rand could only hope to write something a decent as "The Cask of Amontillado" while cashing her social security checks and buying groceries with food stamps.
 
2013-06-23 03:48:02 PM  
Punters are vastly underrated in terms of their role on the team. Would his comments be more valid if he were Drew Brees? Because I keep hearing "He's just a kicker" every time he expresses himself on the interwebs.

He's a smart, sarcastic, and potty-mouthed guy...in other words the perfect Farker. I enjoy his rants not just because I tend to agree with him, but because he has the nerve to do it while trying to maintain a career in the NFL, where such things are generally frowned upon.
 
2013-06-23 03:51:58 PM  
I thought it was a solid, well reasoned article.
 
2013-06-23 03:59:01 PM  
Ayn Rand is just awful.

It's like someone took the rantings of a spoiled tweenager and thought that was a great way to organize a society.
 
2013-06-23 04:14:52 PM  

mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.


Not sure what is driving the anger...but if it makes a difference he was released by the Vikes and picked up, I think, but the Raiders

/you look like a dallas cowgirl fan
 
2013-06-23 04:18:08 PM  
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
-- paul krugman
 
2013-06-23 04:29:16 PM  
I believe Kluwe got cut, so it should read former NFL player. When put in that context we should all be proud. A former NFL player was able to read a book without pictures, and managed not to soak his bib with drool. Those new safety measures are working. USA USA
 
2013-06-23 04:29:53 PM  

mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.


Point of fact, Kluwe is no longer a Viking.
 
2013-06-23 04:54:52 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.

Point of fact, Kluwe is no longer a Viking.


Point of fact: Subby can't spell reading properly.
 
2013-06-23 04:55:01 PM  

rabidarmadillo24: I believe Kluwe got cut, so it should read former NFL player. When put in that context we should all be proud. A former NFL player was able to read a book without pictures, and managed not to soak his bib with drool. Those new safety measures are working. USA USA


He signed with the Raiders last month.

(And I just pre-ordered his book.)
 
2013-06-23 05:19:13 PM  
"All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

  -- Ben Franklin, on taxes
 
2013-06-23 05:20:40 PM  

FlashHarry: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
-- paul krugman


Awesome.
 
2013-06-23 05:51:12 PM  

rabidarmadillo24: I believe Kluwe got cut, so it should read former NFL player. When put in that context we should all be proud. A former NFL player was able to read a book without pictures, and managed not to soak his bib with drool. Those new safety measures are working. USA USA


You do realize that even though not all NFL players are articulate, it takes a lot a mental focus to succeed so that they'll be in that interview you'll mock? The Dumb Jock thing is from your high school. These guys actually know what they're doing.

/former jock with a degree in philosophy
 
2013-06-23 06:20:30 PM  
This belongs in the politics tab.  Kluwe's performance as a punter is not germane to his views on Ayn Rand.

Yeah, he's not a professor of politics or anything, but having heard him speak on many occasions, I have come to appreciate that he has a good head on his shoulders, and he is articulate and engaging.  None of this is relevant to his ability to kick an oblongball, and his ability to kick said ball has farkall to do with his views of Rand.   I mean, other than the fact that people who wouldn't listen to his political views if he weren't a jock might listen to him because he is.

But this is a case where a guy from a totally unrelated discipline actually proves himself worthy of the attention.

Ayn Rand is a piece of shiat, and Kluwe does a good job of explaining why.  And if his jock status allows him to reach hitherto unreachable audiences, then good.  Good for everyone.
 
2013-06-23 06:41:41 PM  

mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.


Yes, because reading books reviews or political writing means you don't think for yourself. Why are you posting? I can think for myself, I dont need to read what you're writing.
 
2013-06-23 06:56:37 PM  

DamnYankees: mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.

Yes, because reading books reviews or political writing means you don't think for yourself. Why are you posting? I can think for myself, I dont need to read what you're writing.


Threadshiatting apparently doesn't need a reason. It IS its own reason.
 
2013-06-23 06:58:46 PM  
I was expecting to roll my eyes at that but I was pleasantly surprised.

*hastily puts subby-smacking-stick behind back*

Great opener.

So I forced myself to read "Atlas Shrugged." Apparently I harbor masochistic tendencies; it was a long, hard slog, and by the end I felt as if Ayn Rand had violently beaten me about the head and shoulders with words.

[ILOL'd]

This part gave me pause..

However, John Galt is also very close to greatness. The only thing he is missing, the only thing Ayn Rand forgot to take into account when writing "Atlas Shrugged," is empathy.

Forgot? Um, Rand kinda idolized a serial killer specifically because of his total lack of empathy.

To Ayn "Crazy Eyes" Rand that's not a bug that's a feature.
 
2013-06-23 06:58:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Come on now, let's not sully the name of Poe by associating him with Rand.


Man, I freaking love Poe.  Now that her legal messes are over, I really hope she puts another album out.  Or does a full Conjure One album.

Regarding Atlas Shrugged:  Best part?  The hypocritical hateful biatch was on all sorts of public assistance before she died.
 
2013-06-23 07:00:31 PM  
Attention whoring: it's OK if we agree with you.
 
2013-06-23 07:01:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: This belongs in the politics tab.  Kluwe's performance as a punter is not germane to his views on Ayn Rand.


It's on both tabs, actually.
 
2013-06-23 07:01:13 PM  

Speaker2Animals: "All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

  -- Ben Franklin, on taxes


"It's like the more money we come across, The more problems we see..."

 - Christopher George Latore Wallace, on the merits of progressive taxation
 
2013-06-23 07:01:17 PM  

DamnYankees: mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.

Yes, because reading books reviews or political writing means you don't think for yourself. Why are you posting? I can think for myself, I dont need to read what you're writing.


Look, I'm a busy man.  I've got lots of things to deal with as a small business owner, and I don't have a lot of time to read stuff and think about it.

That's why I depend upon others whose opinions I trust to read things and present them to me in a format that's easy to read and doesn't require a lot of effort on my part to comprehend and mentally digest.

If you were a successful businessman like me, you'd know that captains of industry use "executive summaries" all the time.

That's what Fox News and World Net Daily do for me - executive summaries of the complex political issues of the day, from persons I trust based upon character and popularity.

What? Haven't heard of the wisdom of crowds?  Fifty million Rush Limbaugh listeners can't be wrong!
 
2013-06-23 07:01:18 PM  

rabidarmadillo24: I believe Kluwe got cut, so it should read former NFL player. When put in that context we should all be proud. A former NFL player was able to read a book without pictures, and managed not to soak his bib with drool. Those new safety measures are working. USA USA


He was signed by the Raiders right after being cut. Plenty of drool opportunity left.
 
2013-06-23 07:01:44 PM  
Smartest, most intellectual player in the NFL? Most likely. I don't much care for football, but this guy... I like this guy.
 
2013-06-23 07:03:33 PM  

dickfreckle: rabidarmadillo24: I believe Kluwe got cut, so it should read former NFL player. When put in that context we should all be proud. A former NFL player was able to read a book without pictures, and managed not to soak his bib with drool. Those new safety measures are working. USA USA

You do realize that even though not all NFL players are articulate, it takes a lot a mental focus to succeed so that they'll be in that interview you'll mock? The Dumb Jock thing is from your high school. These guys actually know what they're doing.

/former jock with a degree in philosophy


I think you are completely missing the point he was trying to make, which isn't to do with how intelligent/articulate they are before/during their careers (hint, "former NFL player" is one of the key parts, as is "safety measures").
 
2013-06-23 07:03:46 PM  

ariseatex: Lionel Mandrake: This belongs in the politics tab.  Kluwe's performance as a punter is not germane to his views on Ayn Rand.

It's on both tabs, actually.


It's like Rush was brought back to analyze football again!!!!!
 
2013-06-23 07:03:51 PM  
"I give people Ayn Rand with trappings"

~Anton LaVey
 
2013-06-23 07:03:51 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: This belongs in the politics tab.  Kluwe's performance as a punter is not germane to his views on Ayn Rand.

Yeah, he's not a professor of politics or anything, but having heard him speak on many occasions, I have come to appreciate that he has a good head on his shoulders, and he is articulate and engaging.  None of this is relevant to his ability to kick an oblongball, and his ability to kick said ball has farkall to do with his views of Rand.   I mean, other than the fact that people who wouldn't listen to his political views if he weren't a jock might listen to him because he is.

But this is a case where a guy from a totally unrelated discipline actually proves himself worthy of the attention.

Ayn Rand is a piece of shiat, and Kluwe does a good job of explaining why.  And if his jock status allows him to reach hitherto unreachable audiences, then good.  Good for everyone.


Yeah, I looked and it said "Sports"? WTF? Actually, I think it belongs on Main, and your analysis is spot on. I had never heard of this dude before, but I think I would like to have some beers or smoke a doob with him.
 
2013-06-23 07:04:25 PM  
Probably has the most romantic rape scene ever put on page.
 
2013-06-23 07:04:53 PM  

FlashHarry: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
-- paul krugman John Rogers


http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2009/03/ephemera-2009-7.html
 
2013-06-23 07:05:16 PM  
My grandpa got some junk in the mail by some asshole who was explaining that the country was going to go belly up in the next year or two when he and his friends, who are the "only ones rich enough to pay taxes" are going to "go Galt" by moving to some place up in the Andes where the weather is really nice and you can hire servants for next to nothing. He noted that his readers were probably not rich enough to move to the Andes, but they could "weather the storm" by buying stock tips or something from him.

Farking assholes.
 
2013-06-23 07:05:45 PM  

mikemoto: Thanks subby. I can't think for myself and often base my beliefs on what the punter for the Minnesota Vikings has to say.
/sarcasm off.


That's okay some people can't think for themselves and have their beliefs dictated by a dead hack writer.
 
2013-06-23 07:05:53 PM  
Aarontology: Ayn Rand is just awful.

It's like someone took the rantings of a spoiled tweenager on a temper tantrum and thought that was a great way to organize a society.

Added that for you.  Each of the "protagonists" pretty much throws a fit that would have them in jail or worse.  Ellis Wyatt decides to set a farking oil well afire (which clearly has no environmental consequences to anybody in the immediate vicinity).  Hank Rearden refused to defend himself and got off because Ayn Rand can't distinguish between having a right to a defense and being "compelled" to present one.  And John Galt misappropriates a private company's assets because the private sector is always right (unless they decide to show any shred of humanity in which case the self-entitled nits have the right to steal from it).
 
2013-06-23 07:07:16 PM  

Aarontology: Ayn Rand is just awful.

It's like someone took the rantings of a spoiled tweenager and thought that was a great way to organize a society.


I don't get really get the ire for Rand as an author.  I don't agree with her philosophy (and I honestly skipped all the ridiculous rants in her book, especially one thirty page one in particular), but from what I've read, she spent a ton of time actually researching the railroad industry to put that book together, and as a work of fiction I actually thought it was really good.

That said, when I hear people talking about her, it's obvious to me they didn't actually read 'Atlas Shrugged,' or they at least didn't really understand it completely.

Maybe the ire needs to be redirected towards people who proselytize her philosophy without understanding her.  They tend to be the same people who think that Jesus said, "God helps those who help themselves," in the Bible.
 
2013-06-23 07:08:05 PM  
The thing that bothered me the most about Atlas Shrugged is the scene where they run across the guy who is trying to find a safe haven for his extended family. Dagny notes that he is smart and had the potential to be a "maker," but essentially writes him off as in idiot for trying to make sure his family is okay.

That's all I ever needed to know about the Randians.
 
2013-06-23 07:08:30 PM  
What if we're wrong? What if Ayn Rand is just the world's most masterful Poe's Law troll?
 
2013-06-23 07:10:40 PM  

balki1867: I don't get really get the ire for Rand as an author. I don't agree with her philosophy (and I honestly skipped all the ridiculous rants in her book, especially one thirty page one in particular), but from what I've read, she spent a ton of time actually researching the railroad industry to put that book together, and as a work of fiction I actually thought it was really good.


Well, usually when an author decides to go with the "Rape?  Pish posh; it's just suprise sex!"  people kinda don't take kindly to the other things that she said.
And I don't know what she spent time "researching", but clearly it was well away from American Law, economics, justice system, engineering. . .we can go on.
 
2013-06-23 07:11:16 PM  
I've always wanted to know what a football player thinks of a hack writer. Quick! Someone find me an architect to critique Justin Beiber's music!
 
2013-06-23 07:11:31 PM  

Serious Black: What if we're wrong? What if Ayn Rand is just the world's most masterful Poe's Law troll?


could be.  After all she did end up on social security and medicare to deal with her chain smoking.
 
2013-06-23 07:11:58 PM  

balki1867: I don't get really get the ire for Rand as an author.  I don't agree with her philosophy (and I honestly skipped all the ridiculous rants in her book, especially one thirty page one in particular), but from what I've read, she spent a ton of time actually researching the railroad industry to put that book together, and as a work of fiction I actually thought it was really good.


I'm not sure you're being serious with this comment? What's the connection between her research of the railroad industry and her ability to write books? My brother has spent years studying to be a surgeon, but I wouldn't read a novel he wrote about it.
 
2013-06-23 07:12:12 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Probably has the most romantic rape scene ever put on page.


Is there a rape scene in Atlas Shrugged, I know there was one in The Fountain Head because that is where I stopped reading.
 
2013-06-23 07:12:31 PM  
That was better written and more interesting than anything Ayn Rand ever wrote.
 
2013-06-23 07:12:37 PM  

fusillade762: I've always wanted to know what a football player thinks of a hack writer. Quick! Someone find me an architect to critique Justin Beiber's music!


well, if a WoW player thinks your being a little too much of a dick maybe a little bit of reconsideration is in order.
 
2013-06-23 07:13:58 PM  
has anyone else been following along with the Atlas Shrugged movie series? In the second one, Diedrich Bader is the world's greatest scientist. lol.
 
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