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2013-06-23 12:54:32 PM
No, more like human bondage.
 
2013-06-23 12:56:06 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-23 12:57:17 PM
It will be.... 20 minutes into the future
 
2013-06-23 12:59:42 PM
Only if you watch Fox News and avoid MSNBC.
 
2013-06-23 01:00:44 PM
I am sure Obama-tvs are coming.
 
2013-06-23 01:00:46 PM
No.
 
2013-06-23 01:00:53 PM
If you're in Georgia and you can't watch the Braves, then something ain't right.


/ notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-06-23 01:01:08 PM
Nope, it's a human wrong.
 
2013-06-23 01:01:10 PM
Nope.  If it requires the labor of others to provide it to you, it's probably not a "right".
 
2013-06-23 01:02:25 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 01:04:39 PM
how else will he learn about the importance of math

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yd3tA4wMPI
 
2013-06-23 01:04:40 PM
FTFA: "In Germany's southern Bavarian region, for example, prisoners have been granted the right to drink beer."

I believe that Germany is now the leading civilization on the planet.
 
2013-06-23 01:04:43 PM
If it is, humanity is doomed and probably not worth saving.
 
2013-06-23 01:05:29 PM
There are no human rights.

The idea of such a thing is a feel good fabrication, as much as Heaven and Allah are.

/ no TV for you
 
2013-06-23 01:05:36 PM
No, there are no human rights, basic or otherwise. All we have is a fragile reality that is based on a shared perception of multiple consciousnesses bound together with trust, distrust and runny farking omelettes.
 
2013-06-23 01:05:48 PM
Television? Hell, if I were in jail I'd rather have internet access than television. Though I think the constant clacking of the keyboard would make my cell mate yell at me, "Biatch, cut that out before I shiv you!"
 
2013-06-23 01:06:56 PM
Watching Idiocracy
 
2013-06-23 01:07:40 PM
Apparently marriage is now a human "right" - so I don't see why TV wouldn't be.
 
2013-06-23 01:08:12 PM
Depends on what's on.
 
2013-06-23 01:08:16 PM
FREE Cable TV!
 
2013-06-23 01:08:18 PM

KenShabby: Nope.  If it requires the labor of others to provide it to you, it's probably not a "right".


So gun ownership for 99% of people isn't a right?

And I assume he is arguing about not being isolated - that people do not deal well mentally without stimulation, i.e. that long stretches without something to entertain/engage you leads not to the Great Georgian Novel, but the Unibomber Manifesto.  TV is a means to an end, not the end itself - an HP printer is a means to free press, not the free press itself
 
2013-06-23 01:08:33 PM

kukukupo: Apparently marriage is now a human "right" - so I don't see why TV wouldn't be.


i wanna get married.  how do i rape somebody?
 
2013-06-23 01:09:31 PM
No.
 
2013-06-23 01:12:24 PM
Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.

Your computer will run windows 95 and miss three keys: Alt, ctrl and delete.

Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

Your cell phone is a payphone... in your cell. And you only get one phone call.

You can hire hookers, but they're not shaved and weigh 340 pounds.

You can have shoes, but they're crocs.

Music consists of Nickelback and Kanye West.

Video games: Fishing for Xbox and ET for the Attari 2600
 
2013-06-23 01:13:08 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Yes - as is bottles of Heineken.
 
2013-06-23 01:14:43 PM

KenShabby: Nope.  If it requires the labor of others to provide it to you, it's probably not a "right".


I'm not sure how prisoners are supposed to get food and water without the labor of others.
 
2013-06-23 01:15:11 PM

EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.

Your computer will run windows 95 and miss three keys: Alt, ctrl and delete.

Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

Your cell phone is a payphone... in your cell. And you only get one phone call.

You can hire hookers, but they're not shaved and weigh 340 pounds.

You can have shoes, but they're crocs.

Music consists of Nickelback and Kanye West.

Video games: Fishing for Xbox and ET for the Attari 2600


You sir have just won the internet :D
 
2013-06-23 01:15:21 PM

KarmicDisaster: Depends on what's on.


This.

Culture and access to arts is a human right, imo. And if certain expressions or messages can only be expressed through the medium of television, and if those are vital to cultural growth, then maybe it should be a human right to have access to that message. I don't know though, I am not talking about Philip Glass and that insufferable opera he did for television in the 70s ... but maybe? Some people thought that was culturally important.
 
2013-06-23 01:20:55 PM
Nope. I looked here and couldn't find it, so no.
 
2013-06-23 01:21:31 PM

12349876: KenShabby: Nope.  If it requires the labor of others to provide it to you, it's probably not a "right".

I'm not sure how prisoners are supposed to get food and water without the labor of others.


Or legal representation.
 
2013-06-23 01:23:48 PM

Nappy Imus: EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.

Your computer will run windows 95 and miss three keys: Alt, ctrl and delete.

Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

Your cell phone is a payphone... in your cell. And you only get one phone call.

You can hire hookers, but they're not shaved and weigh 340 pounds.

You can have shoes, but they're crocs.

Music consists of Nickelback and Kanye West.

Video games: Fishing for Xbox and ET for the Attari 2600

You sir have just won the internet :D


and super mario world for the SNES am i rite
 
2013-06-23 01:25:58 PM

EkimProx: Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.


Given that my TV is tuned into PBS 90% of the time it's on, I don't see how that's bad.
 
2013-06-23 01:26:56 PM
Is this going to be one of those threads where everyone says its lame to watch crap on a real tv, but its all hip and shiat to stream the exact same stuff on your PC?
 
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2013-06-23 01:28:19 PM
 
2013-06-23 01:30:33 PM

EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.


Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV Channel, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.


3 squares a day, no job, no responsibilities, and I get to watch Holly and Win, errr, I mean Golf Channel all day long? Sign me up!

/and btw, ftfy
 
2013-06-23 01:32:12 PM

I Like Shiny Things: EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.


Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV Channel, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

3 squares a day, no job, no responsibilities, and I get to watch Holly and Win, errr, I mean Golf Channel all day long? Sign me up!

/and btw, ftfy


isn't that how it's already
 
2013-06-23 01:36:08 PM
Yes. Now go exercise your rights.

/works in TV.
 
2013-06-23 01:36:48 PM
I am 62 and have NEVER owned a TV,

For those who are slow to understand, I dont have a TV because I DONT WANT ONE
 
2013-06-23 01:38:15 PM
No.  It's an electronics system that feeds video with a synced audio soundtrack to a display device.
 
2013-06-23 01:38:51 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: I Like Shiny Things: EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.


Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV Channel, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

3 squares a day, no job, no responsibilities, and I get to watch Holly and Win, errr, I mean Golf Channel all day long? Sign me up!

/and btw, ftfy

isn't that how it's already


No. I have to clean the pool like every other day this time of year. farking sucks.
 
2013-06-23 01:39:36 PM

brewswane: I am 62 and have NEVER owned a TV,

For those who are slow to understand, I dont have a TV because I DONT WANT ONE


HAVE YOU TRIED TEH INTERNET?
 
2013-06-23 01:40:51 PM
I would say "media" is a human right, not necessarily television itself; it would be better to say "information" is a human right, and you're not likely to get that from a television.
 
2013-06-23 01:41:52 PM

EkimProx: Since it's jail, there should be little things that remind you that crime doesn't pay.

Your computer will run windows 95 and miss three keys: Alt, ctrl and delete.

Your TV is always on very low volume and your choices of channels are limited to The Aquarium Channel, Golf TV, TLC, PBS and Spanish news.

Your cell phone is a payphone... in your cell. And you only get one phone call.

You can hire hookers, but they're not shaved and weigh 340 pounds.

You can have shoes, but they're crocs.

Music consists of Nickelback and Kanye West.

Video games: Fishing for Xbox and ET for the Attari 2600

danm i'm in jail
 
2013-06-23 01:42:47 PM
Access to information could be a human right, insofar as such a concept exists. Whether television can fulfill that right is debatable but I'm leaning toward "no," not given the TV programs I am familiar with.
 
2013-06-23 01:43:04 PM
no

You shoot a woman in the head and rape her as she's dying like the scum you are and you deserve nothing.
 
2013-06-23 01:43:17 PM

brewswane: I am 62 and have NEVER owned a TV,

For those who are slow to understand, I dont have a TV because I DONT WANT ONE


He ws a hipster before it was mainstream.
 
2013-06-23 01:44:32 PM
I've noticed that whenever you see pictures of floods in Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries on Earth, where people emit more CO2 by breathing than by cooking or heating, you always see a Bangladeshi guy carrying a TV on his head

He is never carrying a dishwasher, or oven, or washer-dryer. Well, naturally those things are too big to carry through flood waters, but even so, I believe that most poor people will buy a cellphone or a TV before they get indoor plumbing or an electrical appliance such as a stove or refigerator.

This is 1) because TVs can be had for about $100 (B&W, cathode ray tube) while all of the greater comforts and amenities of life cost a lot more than the real poor can afford. They would buy a washer-dryer combo if they could afford them and if women made the decisions. Washing clothes is one of the most back-breaking jobs there is besides splitting wood. The washing machine is high on the list of life-saving and life-affirming technology. Also, primitive clothes-washing technology, such as the wash board, is hard on cloth and buttons.

But a case could truely be made that a TV is more of a necessity of life than a bathroom. Many boarding houses still have shared facilities--bathrooms, kitchens, etc., but many of the boarders have their own TV set.

In short, human behaviour and custom determine what is a luxury, a necessity and a human right.

Adam Smith understood this and pointed out that in England, even the poorest people needed to have a linen shirt, while in much of the world this would have been a luxury. He defined poverty as the lack of those articles which the custom of the country required even the poorest people to have or be disgraced. Those $300 basketball shoes? Your children get them or they get beaten up and ostracized at school. Those are a necessity of life because you can not decently do without them. A toilet that works? a refigerator that keeps food safely cold? Not so much.

Conservatives like to define poverty away by claiming it is absolute destitution. Liberals (even the Father of Liberal Economics), recognize a certaiin role of culture, society, politics and even religion in deciding what is a sin, what is a luxury, what is a necessity, and what is a right.

So yes, a TV might very well be a human right. There was a time when there was no such thing as human rights. There was only money, might and status. But we are living in a more democratic and liberal world. And it is a better world because it saves even the poorest people from a lot of waste, violence, stupidity, cruelty, and wanton selfishness on the part of us richer people.

Not all, of course. We still dump on the poor. The nuclear power plants and waste sites are not built in the "good neighbourhoods". The rich stay upwind and uphill from the worst that Nature and Man flings at the poorer classes. They can always migrate to tony spas and posh gated communities when things get too nasty as the result of their surviving waste, violence, stupidity, cruelty and wanton selfishness.

But all in all, I do still have plenty of entertainment but do not have a dish washer despite the fact that I hate washing dishes more than almost any other household chore.
 
2013-06-23 01:46:23 PM

brewswane: I am 62 and have NEVER owned a TV,

For those who are slow to understand, I dont have a TV because I DONT WANT ONE


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 01:46:43 PM
Short answer, no, long answer, noooooooooooooooooo.
 
2013-06-23 01:47:49 PM

vudukungfu: no

You shoot a woman in the head and rape her as she's dying like the scum you are and you deserve nothing.


that's how i likes it.  now where's my victrola

i21.photobucket.com
 
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