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(Huffington Post)   David Gregory of Meet the Press asks Glenn Greenwald why he shouldn't be charged with a crime for reporting on NSA surveillance. Glenn Greenwald, in turn, asks David Gregory why he's such a terrible journalist   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 172
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2013-06-23 01:45:29 PM
Good for you, Glenn.

F*ck off, David.
 
2013-06-23 01:57:54 PM
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2013-06-23 02:03:55 PM
Why does David Gregory hate America?  why does David Gregory hate freedom?  Why does David Gregory insist on gobbling government cock?

We're just asking question here.
 
2013-06-23 02:13:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Why does David Gregory hate America?  why does David Gregory hate freedom?  Why does David Gregory insist on gobbling government cock?

We're just asking question here.


Did he know and associate with Glenn Beck in 1990?  If not, why hasn't he denied it?
 
2013-06-23 02:28:04 PM
Greenwald is a jerk.  As Gregory knows, journalism is when you ask politicians what is happening and report what they say verbatim.
 
2013-06-23 02:42:00 PM
This whole scenario is making me sad.
 
2013-06-23 02:45:29 PM
Can't we just say that both Greenwald and Gregory are asshats?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-23 02:48:29 PM
They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.
 
2013-06-23 03:10:58 PM

vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.


It's been clearly established that outing an undercover CIA agent is not a crime.
 
2013-06-23 03:28:33 PM

make me some tea: This whole scenario is making me sad.


Don't fight - it's Earth Day!!
 
2013-06-23 03:36:27 PM

mikemoto: Can't we just say that both Greenwald and Gregory are asshats?


I normally halfway like both of them, but right about now I'd like to kick their insufferable attention-whoring douchebag asses. David Gregory is clearly overly compliant with most of his sources, and Greenwald isn't a journalist at all. He's an essayist who only writes leftist op-ed pieces. NTTAWWT but writing political essays doesn't make you a journalist. Alexander Cockburn wasn't a journalist any more than Norman Podhoretz was.
 
2013-06-23 03:43:02 PM
So basically, Gregory wants to outlaw a free press.
 
2013-06-23 03:47:08 PM

gimmegimme: Greenwald is a jerk.  As Gregory knows, journalism is when you ask politicians what is happening and report what they say verbatim.


"Mr President, is it true that you authorized data collection without a warrant?"

"It was wall good and legal."

"So, that's a no...cool.  See you at the party tonight, dude."

Journalism!
 
2013-06-23 03:52:15 PM

gimmegimme: Greenwald is a jerk.  As Gregory knows, journalism is when you ask politicians what is happening and report what they say verbatim.


Not to defend Gregory, he is a terrible journalist. But Greenwald is a jerk.
 
2013-06-23 03:57:41 PM

propasaurus: gimmegimme: Greenwald is a jerk.  As Gregory knows, journalism is when you ask politicians what is happening and report what they say verbatim.

Not to defend Gregory, he is a terrible journalist. But Greenwald is a jerk.


How so?

I mean, he might be a jerk, but how is his personal pleasantness relevant?
 
2013-06-23 04:02:56 PM
Also, you'd think a journalist would understand New York Times Co. v. United States 1971
 
2013-06-23 04:24:31 PM

vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.


No, they aren't. It's not a journalist's responsibility to do the government's job for it no matter how much you and the Obama Administration think it is.
 
2013-06-23 04:26:37 PM

Nabb1: vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.

No, they aren't. It's not a journalist's responsibility to do the government's job for it no matter how much you and the Obama

every Presidential Administration think it is.

ftfy
 
2013-06-23 04:28:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Nabb1: vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.

No, they aren't. It's not a journalist's responsibility to do the government's job for it no matter how much you and the Obama every Presidential Administration think it is.

ftfy


Okay. So? That makes it okay or something?
 
2013-06-23 04:40:00 PM

Nabb1: vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.

No, they aren't. It's not a journalist's responsibility to do the government's job for it no matter how much you and the Obama Administration think it is.


What does what you said have to do with what vpb said?
 
2013-06-23 04:42:27 PM

Aarontology: So basically, Gregory wants to outlaw a free press.


That's what he's implying, yes. Hence my "sad" comment, because this shiat's going off the rails.
 
2013-06-23 04:44:08 PM
Gah. "Reporting on" classified information is not a crime. Having a "security clearance" and revealing classified information to those without a clearance is the crime.
 
2013-06-23 04:45:31 PM
Biological Ali:

What does what you said have to do with what vpb said?

Greenwald is not "full of crap."  vpbhas just been echoing the Administration's position on this since day one.
 
2013-06-23 04:46:33 PM
[David Gregory said] was merely posing a question others have asked, and not "embracing anything."

Some people say that David Gregory is ignorant of all applicable laws, did no research, and is brainlessly parroting talking points fed to him by a producer.
 
2013-06-23 04:47:01 PM

make me some tea: Aarontology: So basically, Gregory wants to outlaw a free press.

That's what he's implying, yes. Hence my "sad" comment, because this shiat's going off the rails.


That's what's so troubling about this. It's gone far beyond the government spying on the American people.
 
2013-06-23 04:49:34 PM

gimmegimme: It's been clearly established that outing an undercover CIA agent is not a crime


if you're a Republican
 
2013-06-23 04:51:04 PM

Nabb1: Biological Ali:

What does what you said have to do with what vpb said?

Greenwald is not "full of crap."  vpbhas just been echoing the Administration's position on this since day one.


"Since day one"? So, are you responding what vpb actually said in this thread, or are you just continuing an unrelated argument from some previous thread?
 
2013-06-23 04:54:14 PM
The only bias the media has is a pro-media bias.

Lock up suspects permanently with no hope of a trial and nobody cares, a Faux News reporter has his phone tapped and everyone loses their minds.
 
2013-06-23 04:55:37 PM

Aarontology: make me some tea: Aarontology: So basically, Gregory wants to outlaw a free press.

That's what he's implying, yes. Hence my "sad" comment, because this shiat's going off the rails.

That's what's so troubling about this. It's gone far beyond the government spying on the American people.


And, it seems, many in the media would rather be collaborators than watchdogs.
 
2013-06-23 04:57:40 PM
Freedom of the Press is not immunity.  If someone (Snowden) commits a crime and you report on what they give you, you have not committed a crime.  If you incite someone like him to commit a crime to get you information for your story, you *have* committed a crime.  (I'm not saying that this happened here, but the idea that a journalist cannot have committed a crime in writing a story is ridiculous.)
 
2013-06-23 04:59:33 PM
Note:  I think Snowden should spend the rest of his life in jail.

And David Gregory is an idiot who should be fired for incompetence for even asking that question.
 
2013-06-23 05:00:02 PM

Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: Nabb1: vpb: They are both full of crap.  Reporting on a leak isn't aiding and abetting.

On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?

They are both pretty extreme.

No, they aren't. It's not a journalist's responsibility to do the government's job for it no matter how much you and the Obama every Presidential Administration think it is.

ftfy

Okay. So? That makes it okay or something?


Yeah, dude...that's what I meant.  Have a drink...sit down and think nice thoughts for a while.

I meant to point out that this is not an "Obama" thing, it's a "President" thing.

DO YOU DISAGAREE??!?  WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!  [INDISCRIMINATE OUTRAGE]!!!
 
2013-06-23 05:01:31 PM

Larry Mahnken: Freedom of the Press is not immunity.  If someone (Snowden) commits a crime and you report on what they give you, you have not committed a crime.  If you incite someone like him to commit a crime to get you information for your story, you *have* committed a crime.  (I'm not saying that this happened here, but the idea that a journalist cannot have committed a crime in writing a story is ridiculous.)


The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).
 
2013-06-23 05:03:21 PM

Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).


Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.
 
2013-06-23 05:04:29 PM

Nabb1: And, it seems, many in the media would rather be collaborators than watchdogs.


Except when it happened to them.
 
2013-06-23 05:07:12 PM

StopLurkListen: Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).

Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.


Before I can give a specific answer, I need to know what exactly you're confused about. Do you think that merely writing the story would be a crime (in the US at least), or that it's legal to solicit specific criminal actions from others?
 
2013-06-23 05:09:14 PM

Nabb1: Aarontology: make me some tea: Aarontology: So basically, Gregory wants to outlaw a free press.

That's what he's implying, yes. Hence my "sad" comment, because this shiat's going off the rails.

That's what's so troubling about this. It's gone far beyond the government spying on the American people.

And, it seems, many in the media would rather be collaborators than watchdogs.


The cancer has metastasized.
 
2013-06-23 05:13:16 PM

Biological Ali: StopLurkListen: Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).

Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.

Before I can give a specific answer, I need to know what exactly you're confused about. Do you think that merely writing the story would be a crime (in the US at least), or that it's legal to solicit specific criminal actions from others?


How do you define "solicit"?
 
2013-06-23 05:13:36 PM
He is not a journalist.  He's a corporate/state media shill. A gatekeeper.
 
2013-06-23 05:18:42 PM

Biological Ali: StopLurkListen: Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).

Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.

Before I can give a specific answer, I need to know what exactly you're confused about. Do you think that merely writing the story would be a crime (in the US at least), or that it's legal to solicit specific criminal actions from others?


Don't be obtuse. You wrote "the crime would be [...] in soliciting", which means you are claiming there exists a law to indict and convict Greenwald.

Please cite this law.
 
2013-06-23 05:21:42 PM

StopLurkListen: Don't be obtuse. You wrote "the crime would be [...] in soliciting", which means you are claiming there exists a law to indict and convict Greenwald.


Calm the fark down, re-read my comment AND the post I was responding to, and ask yourself if you still think that's what I was "claiming".
 
2013-06-23 05:24:31 PM

Biological Ali: StopLurkListen: Don't be obtuse. You wrote "the crime would be [...] in soliciting", which means you are claiming there exists a law to indict and convict Greenwald.

Calm the fark down, re-read my comment AND the post I was responding to, and ask yourself if you still think that's what I was "claiming".


Biological Ali: "The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak)."

It's pretty clear what you're saying.
 
2013-06-23 05:25:13 PM
Well, that was depressing.
 
2013-06-23 05:25:48 PM
Here is an artist's rendition of what just went down:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-23 05:26:02 PM
I'm pretty sure Glenn Greenwald is a self-satisfied jerk, but at least he's trying to do some actual journalism.

If I were a CNN shill, I'd make a strong effort to avoid any direct comparisons between myself and the real deal...
 
2013-06-23 05:27:27 PM

Nabb1: Biological Ali: StopLurkListen: Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).

Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.

Before I can give a specific answer, I need to know what exactly you're confused about. Do you think that merely writing the story would be a crime (in the US at least), or that it's legal to solicit specific criminal actions from others?

How do you define "solicit"?


Well, I would define it in this context as knowingly trying to get somebody to commit a specific crime, that one can reasonably believe wouldn't have been committed without your intervention.
 
2013-06-23 05:28:34 PM
Whether Gregory is "gatekeeper" or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Greenwald weren't subpoenaed--if they even get around to arresting Snowden.
 
2013-06-23 05:29:53 PM

vpb: On the other hand, Greenwald thinks that a reporter who reveals the existence of a CIA source in North Korea and possibly got someone killed shouldn't be investigated?


The CIA has assets in Russia.

I hope that my expose there didn't cause too much of an issue.

David Gregory needs to stop whistling past the graveyard on illegality since he committed a felony on film and only got away with it due to prosecutorial discretion.
 
2013-06-23 05:29:58 PM

Biological Ali: Nabb1:

How do you define "solicit"?

Well, I would define it in this context as knowingly trying to get somebody to commit a specific crime, that one can reasonably believe wouldn't have been committed without your intervention.


So, d you think journalists who ask sources for information are soliciting?
 
2013-06-23 05:30:36 PM

Biological Ali: Nabb1: Biological Ali: StopLurkListen: Biological Ali: The crime would not be in writing the story, but in soliciting the original criminal actions (in this case, the leak).

Citation needed. No, really. Cite the law.

Before I can give a specific answer, I need to know what exactly you're confused about. Do you think that merely writing the story would be a crime (in the US at least), or that it's legal to solicit specific criminal actions from others?

How do you define "solicit"?

Well, I would define it in this context as knowingly trying to get somebody to commit a specific crime, that one can reasonably believe wouldn't have been committed without your intervention.


So every law enforcement sting operation is not only invalid, but every law enforcement officer involved in them should be brought up on charges of [insert citation of law]
 
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