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(International Business Times)   It takes balls to be an Olympic winner. And here's the proof - four top female athletes turn out to have hidden testicles and XY chromosomes, making them considerably less female than they thought they were   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 44
    More: Strange, International Association of Athletics Federations, Caster Semenya, female athletes, gender test, sex-change operations, olympics  
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2013-06-23 01:27:11 PM  
I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.
 
2013-06-23 01:41:28 PM  
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2013-06-23 01:46:25 PM  

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Done in two.

/all hail Robonia, a country I didn't make up
 
2013-06-23 01:52:39 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.


But then women wouldn't be able to compete in most professional sports. So by treating everyone equally you would be limiting the opportunities for females to compete. For most sports it wouldn't matter much. However for sports like beach volleyball you would be doing a great injustice.
 
2013-06-23 01:56:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.


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2013-06-23 02:06:07 PM  
thats nuts
 
2013-06-23 02:09:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.


That's a great idea. Just shut out biological women from all sports and competitions where strength is a factor.

//all people are created 100% equal and must be treated as such!
 
2013-06-23 02:57:45 PM  

elysive: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

That's a great idea. Just shut out biological women from all sports and competitions where strength is a factor.

//all people are created 100% equal and must be treated as such!


That's pretty much how we look at the military, police, and fire now.
 
2013-06-23 04:16:30 PM  

elysive: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

That's a great idea. Just shut out biological women from all sports and competitions where strength is a factor.


They'd be free to compete. If you're in the Olympics just to win, you're missing the point of the Games:
 
2013-06-23 04:35:56 PM  
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2013-06-23 04:46:37 PM  
So does this mean that sensitive men get to compete in women's sports?
 
2013-06-23 04:55:20 PM  
Question is, did any of these women actually perform better than expected? From the sound of things they all grew up as female so there's not exactly any trickery going on here. And if they aren't performing better than expected, nothing really to worry about.
 
2013-06-23 04:57:33 PM  
Juwanna Mann was a documentary.

/and that's why it wasn't funny
 
2013-06-23 04:59:46 PM  
Hey,  if the social just-est movement has told me anything, it's that you're female if you say you are.
 
2013-06-23 05:01:26 PM  
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2013-06-23 05:16:57 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed.


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2013-06-23 05:18:51 PM  

NickelP: elysive: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

That's a great idea. Just shut out biological women from all sports and competitions where strength is a factor.

//all people are created 100% equal and must be treated as such!

That's pretty much how we look at the military, police, and fire now.


Those aren't competitions.
 
2013-06-23 05:19:31 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Question is, did any of these women actually perform better than expected? From the sound of things they all grew up as female so there's not exactly any trickery going on here. And if they aren't performing better than expected, nothing really to worry about.


I don't think anyone is accusing them of purposefully becoming XY, so nothing they did would lead to unexpected increases in performances.

Gender genetics and sports are very tough. Science gives a lot of facts on the issue, but no answers.
 
2013-06-23 05:21:21 PM  
You know, it's one thing that there is a controversy over people who have gender reassignment surgery, but this sounds to me like a big pile of bullshiat. So what you have here is someone borna woman, has all of the right plumbing, and a nice natural set of knockers, but due to a genetic disorder, suddenly they are disqualified, even though they aren't trying to deceive anyone, and haven't done anything to alter their body, whether chemically or surgically.

I be these women would get bocked from competing as men, too. Like I said, total bullshiat.
 
2013-06-23 05:29:21 PM  
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Really? It took this long to post this?
 
2013-06-23 05:31:02 PM  

Mikey1969: You know, it's one thing that there is a controversy over people who have gender reassignment surgery, but this sounds to me like a big pile of bullshiat. So what you have here is someone borna woman, has all of the right plumbing, and a nice natural set of knockers, but due to a genetic disorder, suddenly they are disqualified, even though they aren't trying to deceive anyone, and haven't done anything to alter their body, whether chemically or surgically.

I be these women would get bocked from competing as men, too. Like I said, total bullshiat.


I say we have a third div. Call it open class. Let everything go!
 
2013-06-23 05:34:22 PM  

basemetal: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

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When your arms have 3 testicles each, you know you've dun farked up your body with performance-enhancers.
 
2013-06-23 05:49:39 PM  
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2013-06-23 06:24:50 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.


Uh, males are bigger, stronger and faster than females after the age of 14 and the disparity grows as the genders enter adulthood . We still want to have women's sports.

Women remain at the level of 14-15 year old boys for strength/speed.
 
2013-06-23 06:41:13 PM  
6.4/10. Would bang.
 
2013-06-23 06:52:25 PM  
Lance Armstrong is jelly.
 
2013-06-23 06:54:11 PM  

octopied: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

Uh, males are bigger, stronger and faster than females after the age of 14 and the disparity grows as the genders enter adulthood . We still want to have women's sports.


Do we?

/WNBA
 
2013-06-23 07:05:19 PM  
FTFA:
"The competitors, who remain anonymous, were found to have XY chromosomes, which genetically define men, rather than the female XX.
"Too much testosterone in a genetically female (XX) foetus may lead to the 'masculinisation' of the external genitalia."

This article is retarded. If the women are XY, then how are they also XX? The author conflated two different gender disorders. It is possible for a "woman" to have XY chromosomes and to have underdeveloped male genitals, including undescended testes in place of ovaries. It is also possible for a completely different "woman" to have XX chromosomes and to develop male genitals due to excess fetal testosterone.
 
2013-06-23 07:39:01 PM  
7th Son of a 7th Son:
i>www.worldtennismagazine.com

SO.MUCH.THIS
 
2013-06-23 07:46:15 PM  

MyEnamine: FTFA:
"The competitors, who remain anonymous, were found to have XY chromosomes, which genetically define men, rather than the female XX.
"Too much testosterone in a genetically female (XX) foetus may lead to the 'masculinisation' of the external genitalia."

This article is retarded. If the women are XY, then how are they also XX? The author conflated two different gender disorders. It is possible for a "woman" to have XY chromosomes and to have underdeveloped male genitals, including undescended testes in place of ovaries. It is also possible for a completely different "woman" to have XX chromosomes and to develop male genitals due to excess fetal testosterone.


basically, we are defining women as we do racial minorities: If there is any variance from the norm (in this case, what we define "men" to be) then they are women, but if they are at variance from the female norm they are banned from doing what women are allowed to do. The specifics about genetics and neonatal hormonal environments just rationalize banning them from competition.

Do we really need to introduce more bias into the system against new classes of people who heretofore were not identified and discriminated against?

This sort of thing is the reason that we should not accept wholesale DNA testing. I remember some very deep discussions about this in my Bioanthropology Laboratory Methodologies, Applied Anthropology and Anthropology of Human Nature classes in my undergrad. We don't need to classify people like this, it has no useful societal function and the only people impacted will be those who have genetic heritages that upset them. For example, the 1/4 of people who have different fathers than they have been told they have. Screen for things that could be problems in the future if you must and leave it at that.

And I personally don't consider competition to be a good enough reason to discriminate like this. If their identities are disclosed, in the US that would be a HIPPA violation, medical privacy was established to protect genetic privacy in anticipation of widespread testing that would reveal information that could be used to discriminate against individuals.
 
2013-06-23 08:02:55 PM  

elysive: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

That's a great idea. Just shut out biological women from all sports and competitions where strength is a factor.

//all people are created 100% equal and must be treated as such!


I am shocked. Such an obvious and lame troll gets so many bites. Women have as much place competing with men in sports as men have competing with special olympians.

equal but different. No amount of policy can change biology.

however I am intrigued by the idea of a steroid olympics.
 
2013-06-23 08:02:57 PM  
 
2013-06-23 08:10:16 PM  

octopied: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

Uh, males are bigger, stronger and faster than females after the age of 14 and the disparity grows as the genders enter adulthood . We still want to have women's sports.

Women remain at the level of 14-15 year old boys for strength/speed.


So, we're banging 14-15 year old boys trapped in the body of grown women?
 
2013-06-23 09:41:53 PM  

MyEnamine: FTFA:
"The competitors, who remain anonymous, were found to have XY chromosomes, which genetically define men, rather than the female XX.
"Too much testosterone in a genetically female (XX) foetus may lead to the 'masculinisation' of the external genitalia."

This article is retarded. If the women are XY, then how are they also XX? The author conflated two different gender disorders. It is possible for a "woman" to have XY chromosomes and to have underdeveloped male genitals, including undescended testes in place of ovaries. It is also possible for a completely different "woman" to have XX chromosomes and to develop male genitals due to excess fetal testosterone.


Which is science giving facts, but not answers.

The issue is conflated by some really poor medical practices in rural third world countries. Read up on the Indian 800 meter runner and the hell she was put through because she was born in a low caste and didn't get basic medical tests some at birth.
 
2013-06-23 10:34:45 PM  

basemetal: BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.

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That's synthol, not performance enhancement.  He can't lift shiat, he had the male equivalent of a boob implant.
 
2013-06-23 11:23:37 PM  

Mikey1969: You know, it's one thing that there is a controversy over people who have gender reassignment surgery, but this sounds to me like a big pile of bullshiat. So what you have here is someone borna woman, has all of the right plumbing, and a nice natural set of knockers, but due to a genetic disorder, suddenly they are disqualified, even though they aren't trying to deceive anyone, and haven't done anything to alter their body, whether chemically or surgically.

I be these women would get bocked from competing as men, too. Like I said, total bullshiat.


The whole disorder stems from the fact that their androgen receptors dont work, so their external genitalia, which develop per the presence or absence of testosterone, end up female. The testes are quite atrophied and internal, also called streak ovaries even. So yeah, they have tons of testosterone, but no receptors for it to act on. The quote from the hormone expert is confusing, as it implies that there is some recepor function after all. Or maybe these particular cases are like that, but not all. Perhaps the fact that they excelled in womens sports selected for this particular type of partially functioning androgen receptor. I will have to read up on this...interesting stuff.
 
2013-06-23 11:50:02 PM  
I hope this doesn't mean Michael Phelps has to give back her medals.
 
2013-06-24 12:48:09 AM  
Clenis

/Got nothin'.
 
2013-06-24 02:00:53 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I would really like to see all restrictions on performance-enhancement lifted.  Let's see how far the human body can be pushed. As for gender segregation, we should be past that stage by now.


Wow. Done in one.
 
2013-06-24 06:53:20 AM  
I should have been more on the ball yesterday, and mention these women can't be too surprised as they would have never menstruated as teenagers. If you don't bleed by the time you are 17, something is wrong. Any doctor could tell by feel they didn't have a uterus.Probe/ultrasound would confirm it.
 
2013-06-24 08:58:36 AM  
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2013-06-24 11:31:54 AM  
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 She's a FRAUD!
 
2013-06-24 03:08:32 PM  
If believe you are a woman, then you are a woman. Quit bringing up factual inconveniences like testicles and chromosomes.  Didn't you get the PC memo?
 
2013-06-24 04:56:18 PM  

octopied: I should have been more on the ball yesterday, and mention these women can't be too surprised as they would have never menstruated as teenagers. If you don't bleed by the time you are 17, something is wrong. Any doctor could tell by feel they didn't have a uterus.Probe/ultrasound would confirm it.


You say that like everyone has access to ultrasounds...
 
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