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(Augusta Chronicle)   Georgia sheriff says you're guilty of speeding if you exceed what the officer thinks the speed limit is, even if he's wrong   (chronicle.augusta.com) divider line 125
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2013-06-23 01:50:35 PM
The officer explained that he was standing behind the 45 mph speed limit sign when he clocked her going 62.
"I said, 'No, I'm pretty sure it is 55 here,' " she said. "I still didn't believe him. I never saw the sign."


Seen something like this before, and in the words of the cop, you were still speeding.

/60 in a 50
//could have sworn it was a 55
///sent my money in, I don't have big titties to show cleavage
////and crying just don't work for guys
 
2013-06-23 02:24:01 PM
Proof that the South is evolving: that used to be just a black people crime.
 
2013-06-23 02:24:06 PM

basemetal: The officer explained that he was standing behind the 45 mph speed limit sign when he clocked her going 62.
"I said, 'No, I'm pretty sure it is 55 here,' " she said. "I still didn't believe him. I never saw the sign."

Seen something like this before, and in the words of the cop, you were still speeding.

/60 in a 50
//could have sworn it was a 55
///sent my money in, I don't have big titties to show cleavage
////and crying just don't work for guys

It's possible her ticket may cost less if she was going 7 miles over versus 17 in which case it would still be worth fighting ($341 for going 7 over the limit? Yikes). Probably depends on local laws.
 
2013-06-23 02:41:31 PM
America, the land of "shut the fark up and do as you are told."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-23 03:01:06 PM
Augusta Traffic Engineer Steve Cassell said the lower speed limit was posted by a contractor working on improvements to the Augusta Canal tow path.
Cassell said the contractor in charge of the project had authorization to reduce the speed limit from 55 mph to 45 mph, but only during specific hours and under certain conditions.


So the 45 mph speed limit was posted, but should have been 55 and she was going 62.  So obviously she is a victim here.
 
2013-06-23 03:22:12 PM
"Basic Speed Law" FTW.

DNRTFA.
 
2013-06-23 04:09:28 PM
Only if the officer is also a certified civil engineer employed by the FDOT or GDOT.  Otherwise it is a false traffic stop and will cost the sherriff $20,000.00 plus court fees.
 
2013-06-23 04:10:21 PM
Regressive Road Tax.  HAHA you're poor.
 
2013-06-23 04:11:04 PM

JerkyMeat: America, the land of "shut the fark up and do as you are told."


I'd try and move to Canada at this point, but whats the difference really?
 
2013-06-23 04:11:46 PM
Just fork over the $300 or whatever and get on with your life.

People who cry about the fines associated with traffic citations really have no business owning a car. You are more suited to the bus.
 
2013-06-23 04:12:39 PM
It's called going to fast for conditions.

/Professional driver
//No tickets, no accidents
 
2013-06-23 04:13:25 PM
Ticketing people for exceeding the posted speed limit?

ZOMG!!
 
2013-06-23 04:15:32 PM
even if the sign is wrong, the sign is still there... and you're supposed to abide by the posted limit.
 
2013-06-23 04:15:35 PM

prjindigo: Only if the officer is also a certified civil engineer employed by the FDOT or GDOT.  Otherwise it is a false traffic stop and will cost the sherriff $20,000.00 plus court fees.


Good luck with that in front of Judge Cletus T. Peckerwood.  Appeal, you say?  Well, you can pay $300.00, or you can "Fight that thing all the way to the Supreme Court!" for 6-7 figures over several years.  Your choice.
 
2013-06-23 04:16:46 PM
The only way to deal with a corrupt Georgia sheriff.

www.imcdb.org

/good movie, too.
 
2013-06-23 04:16:59 PM
So she was still exceeding the actual speed limit of 55 and is still complaining?
 
2013-06-23 04:17:38 PM
The speed limit is whatever is posted by the department that has jurisdiction over the roadway, and the department's authorized contractors.

Law enforcement cites based on what's posted, end of story.
 
2013-06-23 04:19:56 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Good luck with that in front of Judge Cletus T. Peckerwood.  Appeal, you say?  Well, you can pay $300.00, or you can "Fight that thing all the way to the Supreme Court!" for 6-7 figures over several years.  Your choice.


Principle, man, principle.

I got mine thrown out just by showing up and pointing out at what point the cop decided to light me up, and the fact it was a mile outside of their jurisdiction - in another town -  where he had no authority to issue a ticket.
 
2013-06-23 04:20:08 PM

Tat'dGreaser: So she was still exceeding the actual speed limit of 55 and is still complaining?


If I'm going five over I slow down. This is not Star Trek, and Scotty isn't given her all she's got.
 
2013-06-23 04:21:13 PM

vpb: Augusta Traffic Engineer Steve Cassell said the lower speed limit was posted by a contractor working on improvements to the Augusta Canal tow path.
Cassell said the contractor in charge of the project had authorization to reduce the speed limit from 55 mph to 45 mph, but only during specific hours and under certain conditions.

So the 45 mph speed limit was posted, but should have been 55 and she was going 62.  So obviously she is a victim here.


And she's a stupid coont -- quite possibly texting away as she blew past the cop.
 
2013-06-23 04:23:55 PM
Not sure how it works in Georgia, but if the officer wrote the wrong speed limit on the ticket, would that not be grounds for the judge to throw it out?
 
2013-06-23 04:25:50 PM

Tat'dGreaser: So she was still exceeding the actual speed limit of 55 and is still complaining?


Don't know about your neck of the woods, but around here the difference between going 7mph over vs. 17mph over is a goodchunk of change. Plus 17mph over will result in points on your license, but 7mph won't.

She was still speeding, but when the difference in the severity is probably $100+ and not having your insurance rates go up I'd fight it too. Especially if there was a royal paperwork cockup like this one that caused it.
 
2013-06-23 04:27:38 PM
College said she thinks that if the speed limit was wrong, then she was ticketed incorrectly. Court officials told her the fine would be $341.

$350 for 17 over.  Isn't that excessive?

/Not arguing the time of day argument, which should have a 'when lights are flashing' sign.
 
2013-06-23 04:28:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The speed limit is whatever is posted by the department that has jurisdiction over the roadway, and the department's authorized contractors.


Yeah, they're called speed traps. Jesus there are a lot of cop fellators around here.
 
2013-06-23 04:29:11 PM

hardinparamedic: The only way to deal with a corrupt Georgia sheriff.

[www.imcdb.org image 666x500]

/good movie, too.


What movie is it?
 
2013-06-23 04:31:03 PM

meyerkev: What movie is it?


Tank!, made in 1984.

It's available on Netflix if you have an account, and it's really entertaining.
 
2013-06-23 04:31:38 PM

hardinparamedic: The only way to deal with a corrupt Georgia sheriff.



/good movie, too.


James Garner is awesome. Finding that movie on Netflix made my month. Growing up in the 80s we had like 15 movies recorded from HBO on videotape and 'Tank' was one of my favorites.
 
2013-06-23 04:31:49 PM
For all those claiming she was speeding so it does not matter whether it actually 7 over the limit or 17.  Here is why it matters in Georgia:

§ 40-14-8.  When case may be made and conviction had

   (a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

Georgia had to pass this law years ago to stop corrupt locals from from running illegal speed traps.
 
2013-06-23 04:31:51 PM

hardinparamedic: The only way to deal with a corrupt Georgia sheriff.


img.fark.net

/  Knows another way.
 
2013-06-23 04:32:38 PM

meyerkev: hardinparamedic: The only way to deal with a corrupt Georgia sheriff.

[www.imcdb.org image 666x500]

/good movie, too.

What movie is it?


Tank with James Garner maybe?
 
2013-06-23 04:35:14 PM
On parts of the freeway in Seattle, we have digital back-lit displays that can show a different speed limit sign for each lane. There is one freeway running North/South for Seattle proper, and if you want to take an alternate route you're going to need to drive a bit out of your way and over at least one bridge. The signs change depending on traffic conditions, typically the level of congestion up ahead. Hopefully one day it will read 65,536 MPH
 
2013-06-23 04:38:23 PM
Disgusta?
I'm on the speed limit signs, like piss on a bum's shoes.
 
2013-06-23 04:41:10 PM
In general traffic courts already have everything stacked in their favor. Will it kill them to capitulate more often?

/won a couple cases in my time
// I've had a judge pull me in to a empty courtroom when he knew my testimony would cause a stir.
 
2013-06-23 04:41:27 PM
img.fark.net

Also, just because . . .

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/DNRTFA
 
2013-06-23 04:41:56 PM

UsikFark: On parts of the freeway in Seattle, we have digital back-lit displays that can show a different speed limit sign for each lane. There is one freeway running North/South for Seattle proper, and if you want to take an alternate route you're going to need to drive a bit out of your way and over at least one bridge. The signs change depending on traffic conditions, typically the level of congestion up ahead. Hopefully one day it will read 65,536 MPH


I love those signs for that reason: you can't avoid the traffic at all. So what's the point of dynamically telling me the speed? I can see the cars in front of me. Big waste of money.
 
2013-06-23 04:44:45 PM

Electrify: Not sure how it works in Georgia, but if the officer wrote the wrong speed limit on the ticket, would that not be grounds for the judge to throw it out?


Don't ever believe the courts will rule against a money-generating fine.
 
2013-06-23 04:46:48 PM

Mugato: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The speed limit is whatever is posted by the department that has jurisdiction over the roadway, and the department's authorized contractors.

Yeah, they're called speed traps. Jesus there are a lot of cop fellators around here.


lol at you implying that I'm a "cop fellator."
 
2013-06-23 04:46:56 PM

Mugato: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The speed limit is whatever is posted by the department that has jurisdiction over the roadway, and the department's authorized contractors.

Yeah, they're called speed traps. Jesus there are a lot of cop fellators around here.


CSB time
I was chased from Texas into New Mexico on I 40 I stop at the weigh station on the Navajo reservation and the Texas state trooper was really pissed at this point the cop in the weigh station is from the Navajo police force as well as a New Mexico State cop he only cares about one thing do I have a New Mexico fuel card. We I show him the card and he tells the Texas trooper to drag his sorry ass back to Texas.

// stayed out of Texas for sometime after that.
 
2013-06-23 04:48:18 PM

SevenizGud: Just fork over the $300 or whatever and get on with your life.

People who cry about the fines associated with traffic citations really have no business owning a car. You are more suited to the bus.


 300 hundred is nothing. I had a 500 dollar parking ticket once...

The street was deserted and I just happened to park on the only 10foot  section of street that was no parking. if I'd backed up 5 feet I would have been free. sign was missing so I didnt notice that it was a different zone, a handicap bus zone. They probably took the sign out on purpose just to fark with people.
 
2013-06-23 04:51:02 PM

lelio: UsikFark: On parts of the freeway in Seattle, we have digital back-lit displays that can show a different speed limit sign for each lane. There is one freeway running North/South for Seattle proper, and if you want to take an alternate route you're going to need to drive a bit out of your way and over at least one bridge. The signs change depending on traffic conditions, typically the level of congestion up ahead. Hopefully one day it will read 65,536 MPH

I love those signs for that reason: you can't avoid the traffic at all. So what's the point of dynamically telling me the speed? I can see the cars in front of me. Big waste of money.


Traffic jams can be caused by people hitting the extremes of speed- the fastest they can go, then braking to a stop to avoid colliding with the cars ahead. If you can keep traffic moving at an in-between speed (like 35 in a 60) no one has to do stop-and-go which brings all traffic behind them to a stop. If the car in front is going 40, and you are going 50, you're going to have to slow down not to hit them, and if they are slowing down from forty while you are going 50 you'll damn near have to stomp on the brakes, causing anyone behind you to slow down even more to avoid hitting you. That's how you create a traffic jam.
 
2013-06-23 04:53:52 PM

Enemabag Jones: College said she thinks that if the speed limit was wrong, then she was ticketed incorrectly. Court officials told her the fine would be $341.

$350 for 17 over.  Isn't that excessive?

/Not arguing the time of day argument, which should have a 'when lights are flashing' sign.


17 over is meaningless, 17 over in a 15mph school zone, or 17 over on a 65mph freeway, big difference. I know in WI going double the speed limit (whatever it is) is an arrest for reckless endangerment.
 
2013-06-23 04:55:03 PM

Spanky McStupid: Electrify: Not sure how it works in Georgia, but if the officer wrote the wrong speed limit on the ticket, would that not be grounds for the judge to throw it out?

Don't ever believe the courts will rule against a money-generating fine.


It used to be quite common in PA. All the info had to be filled out, and filled out correctly or it would get thrown out.

Not sure about it anymore but I would guess not...
 
2013-06-23 04:56:58 PM
did anyone look up prima facie laws in georgia
most states have this
if the officer thinks you are above a safe speed you can get a ticket
usually reserved for bad weather but does not have to be
if the road is crowded and you are faster than the rest and doing the limit or less this could be seen as unsafe
 
2013-06-23 04:57:34 PM

Cyno01: Enemabag Jones: College said she thinks that if the speed limit was wrong, then she was ticketed incorrectly. Court officials told her the fine would be $341.

$350 for 17 over.  Isn't that excessive?

/Not arguing the time of day argument, which should have a 'when lights are flashing' sign.

17 over is meaningless, 17 over in a 15mph school zone, or 17 over on a 65mph freeway, big difference. I know in WI going double the speed limit (whatever it is) is an arrest for reckless endangerment.


More than 15 over shows up against your license in Georgia.  It also has to be reported to your insurance company, resulting in an excuse for a premium hike.  Result:  It's WAY better to have the ticket under 15.
 
2013-06-23 04:57:43 PM
Very happy to not live in Augusta anymore.
That place is a hole.
 
2013-06-23 04:57:56 PM

basemetal: The officer explained that he was standing behind the 45 mph speed limit sign when he clocked her going 62.
"I said, 'No, I'm pretty sure it is 55 here,' " she said. "I still didn't believe him. I never saw the sign."

Seen something like this before, and in the words of the cop, you were still speeding.

/60 in a 50
//could have sworn it was a 55
///sent my money in, I don't have big titties to show cleavage
////and crying just don't work for guys


Maybe two years ago I got ticked for going 45 in a 30 zone, despite the fact that it was actually a 40 mph zone.
 
2013-06-23 04:58:45 PM

elysive: basemetal: The officer explained that he was standing behind the 45 mph speed limit sign when he clocked her going 62.
"I said, 'No, I'm pretty sure it is 55 here,' " she said. "I still didn't believe him. I never saw the sign."

Seen something like this before, and in the words of the cop, you were still speeding.

/60 in a 50
//could have sworn it was a 55
///sent my money in, I don't have big titties to show cleavage
////and crying just don't work for guysIt's possible her ticket may cost less if she was going 7 miles over versus 17 in which case it would still be worth fighting ($341 for going 7 over the limit? Yikes). Probably depends on local laws.


In Indiana (and I think Illinois, the two states I've lived and had to take written tests) 15 MPH over is reckless driving, not speeding, and a much different animal. So that is definitely worth fighting in some places.
 
2013-06-23 05:00:56 PM
If you don't at least show up to traffic court and negotiate, you are a moron (or rich). Your insurance rates go up if you get a ticket. So, unless you live somewhere where the judge and/or prosecutor are real dicks, you can just show up and pay the fine without it showing up on your record (usually you can't get a ticket for a year then).

I have taken a 3 to court.

/Lost the first one. I should have won. Cop lied in court. Prosecutor even agreed that I should not get the ticket, then laughed and said "...but that would set a bad precedent".
//Second one was in a small town, and they didn't negotiate beforehand. Judge decided to not put it on my record, if I paid the fine.
///Third, scum bag cop didn't show up cause he knew he was in the wrong. Absolutely loved the disgusted look on the Prosecutors face when she said, "Cop is a no show. Your case is dismissed, you can go."
 
2013-06-23 05:07:06 PM

Mugato: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The speed limit is whatever is posted by the department that has jurisdiction over the roadway, and the department's authorized contractors.

Yeah, they're called speed traps. Jesus there are a lot of cop fellators around here.


Right, because not everyone subscribes to Fark's insane hatred of all cops, they are "fellators", whatever that is.
DURP.
 
2013-06-23 05:07:11 PM
Cassell said the contractor in charge of the project had authorization to reduce the speed limit from 55 mph to 45 mph, but only during specific hours and under certain conditions.

/So, only on tuesdays between ten in the morning to ten oh five, except during jewish holidays and groundhog day, when it's 46. Oh, and if we mark it wrong, and you speed according to the incorrect sign, its not our fault. Pay up.''

/what a ass tool.  Why are you running radar in a area that has the speed marked incorrectly anyway?  I guess if you fixed it, it would stop your cash cow.
 
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