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(CNN)   Apparently repackaging someone else's free open hardware project under your own brand is worth $400 million USD. Isn't capitalism great?   (money.cnn.com) divider line 53
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2013-06-23 02:37:03 PM
Thats a very large number for a less than spectacular product.  Sonofabiatch.  Guess they wanted the name more than anything.

/I bet Quantum Apostrophe is going to be pissed one way or another.
 
2013-06-23 02:39:03 PM
Someone else's? Wasn't it Makerbot who open sourced it in the first place? If they choose to make subsequent models proprietary, that's their business.
 
2013-06-23 02:39:51 PM
Oh, and the rep rap guy's gotta be slitting his wrists right now.
 
2013-06-23 02:42:20 PM

jjorsett: Someone else's? Wasn't it Makerbot who open sourced it in the first place? If they choose to make subsequent models proprietary, that's their business.


No... Bre Pettis got himself a rep rap, went "oh snap, this is awesome" and started markbot to sell kits, basically.
 
2013-06-23 02:42:54 PM
Good subby.  He really seems to care.

www.dvdizzy.com

About what I have no idea.
 
2013-06-23 02:45:23 PM
*pre-emptively leaves a football-field-sized three foot deep puddle of used beer in here*
 
2013-06-23 02:50:05 PM

Kittypie070: *pre-emptively leaves a football-field-sized three foot deep puddle of used beer in here*


I thought this thread would have blown up by now.
 
2013-06-23 02:53:53 PM
Repolicator?

img.fark.net

Repulsificator!
 
2013-06-23 03:00:06 PM
You know what the joke is, right ?

Open Source is out there to shift the 'cost' from the cost of software to the cost of labor.

i.e. this is a cool idea, but I can't get anyone to pay me to build it.

... so I'll build the core, and then 'open source' it,

Eventually, someone will need it actually implemented, and they'll pay me - the expert in the open source project - to implement its full form for them.
 
2013-06-23 03:08:13 PM

rubi_con_man: Open Source is out there to shift the 'cost' from the cost of software to the cost of labor.


There's a lot of open source that falls into the category of: "I needed to write this module to deliver the software I wanted to build. This module is useful, but is not something worth putting out as its own product, especially when I already have a product. I'll open source it, and now my  actual product can benefit from improvements the community makes to this module. Now I can focus on my actual product."

Alonjar: Oh, and the rep rap guy's gotta be slitting his wrists right now.


Nah. For starters, it's not "a guy", it's a core team with a pile of contributors. Regardless, RepRap has never been about building a marketable product. It's been about building a cheap 3D printer that can build copies of itself. There really isn't a RepRap  product.Commercial vendors have taken the RepRap and used its design to build actual products which can be sold on the market.
 
2013-06-23 03:22:46 PM

Alonjar: Thats a very large number for a less than spectacular product.  Sonofabiatch.  Guess they wanted the name more than anything.

/I bet Quantum Apostrophe is going to be pissed one way or another.


Not as pissed as you techno-utopians will be when the future won't happen.

In ten years, no one will drive in a 3D printed car, no one will eat 3D printed food on a 3D printed space station.

In ten years, maybe I'll buy a 3D printer if it makes tiny plastic parts to decorate my quadcopter.
 
2013-06-23 03:30:06 PM

rubi_con_man: You know what the joke is, right ?

Open Source is out there to shift the 'cost' from the cost of software to the cost of labor.

i.e. this is a cool idea, but I can't get anyone to pay me to build it.

... so I'll build the core, and then 'open source' it,

Eventually, someone will need it actually implemented, and they'll pay me - the expert in the open source project - to implement its full form for them.


The real joke is that by making it an 'open source' project they were able to develop several iterations of their product with next to no R&D budget thanks to the eager community of enthusiastic users. Most of the innovations and improvements to the device came from the input of that community. Last year they announced that the new version would not be open source- thanks for all your help and support, now fark off. This buy out is no surprise.
Here's the real punchline- 3D printing is the virtual reality of the 20teens. Remember back in the 90's when VR was going to be the next big breakout technology? Where is it now? Sure we have the Occulus Rift but it will never be a common household item. 3D printers will never fill a need in the average American household, in spite of all the Star Trek replicator hype from the boosters. Paper printers caught on because people had things they needed to print on a regular basis- letters, documents, coupons, photos, school work, etc. Are there similar 3D items we need on a regular basis? After you print a few toys and curiosities,that Makerbot will end up in a closet collecting dust right next to your Nintendo Virtual Boy, your beer making kit and your tomogachi and Bre Pettis will be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2013-06-23 03:33:34 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Alonjar: Thats a very large number for a less than spectacular product.  Sonofabiatch.  Guess they wanted the name more than anything.

/I bet Quantum Apostrophe is going to be pissed one way or another.

Not as pissed as you techno-utopians will be when the future won't happen.

In ten years, no one will drive in a 3D printed car, no one will eat 3D printed food on a 3D printed space station.

In ten years, maybe I'll buy a 3D printer if it makes tiny plastic parts to decorate my quadcopter.


Arguably some of your car parts from major manufacturers might be 3D printed, the major parts will always be molded because that's way way cheaper, but walk into an auto parts store, and order a part, half the time unless its super common, they will just 3D print it for you.

Now 3D printed space stations? Maybe, its hard to say, way more than 10 years out for sure, but I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.
 
2013-06-23 03:37:29 PM

redsquid: Remember back in the 90's when VR was going to be the next big breakout technology? Where is it now? Sure we have the Occulus Rift but it will never be a common household item. 3D printers will never fill a need in the average American household, in spite of all the Star Trek replicator hype from the boosters.


Careful, you'll now be blacklisted by all the pale, shaking nerds and never be invited to the Annual Delusional Beliefs About Technology conference. Don't you know the first computer at Kitty Hawk only had 1 horsepower of memory, therefore anything is possible?

redsquid: After you print a few toys and curiosities,


After days and weeks of tweaking and progressive disillusion...

redsquid: Makerbot will end up in a closet collecting dust right next to your Nintendo Virtual Boy, your beer making kit and your tomogachi and Bre Pettis will be laughing all the way to the bank.


Could never stomach that little turd. He just radiates deceit.
 
2013-06-23 03:39:00 PM

MindStalker: I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.


I can imagine short, stumpy workout chicks doing my bidding, and ...?

You are referring to "technologies" that are so far from anything that's possible it's just pure fantasy.
 
2013-06-23 04:00:12 PM

redsquid: rubi_con_man: You know what the joke is, right ?

Open Source is out there to shift the 'cost' from the cost of software to the cost of labor.

i.e. this is a cool idea, but I can't get anyone to pay me to build it.

... so I'll build the core, and then 'open source' it,

Eventually, someone will need it actually implemented, and they'll pay me - the expert in the open source project - to implement its full form for them.

The real joke is that by making it an 'open source' project they were able to develop several iterations of their product with next to no R&D budget thanks to the eager community of enthusiastic users. Most of the innovations and improvements to the device came from the input of that community. Last year they announced that the new version would not be open source- thanks for all your help and support, now fark off. This buy out is no surprise.
Here's the real punchline- 3D printing is the virtual reality of the 20teens. Remember back in the 90's when VR was going to be the next big breakout technology? Where is it now? Sure we have the Occulus Rift but it will never be a common household item. 3D printers will never fill a need in the average American household, in spite of all the Star Trek replicator hype from the boosters. Paper printers caught on because people had things they needed to print on a regular basis- letters, documents, coupons, photos, school work, etc. Are there similar 3D items we need on a regular basis? After you print a few toys and curiosities,that Makerbot will end up in a closet collecting dust right next to your Nintendo Virtual Boy, your beer making kit and your tomogachi and Bre Pettis will be laughing all the way to the bank.

3D printing will destroy the container ship industry and put a kink in China's manufacturing industry.

In the not to distant future you will buy your 3D plans and pop over to the convenience store to pick up,your widget.
 
2013-06-23 04:02:46 PM
For some reason I thought this would be about Android or Redhat.
 
2013-06-23 04:11:50 PM
How is Bre Pettis going to keep pretending he's the Steve Jobs of 3D printing?  Jobs didn't succeed by arranging for Apple to be bought out by IBM...

Jobs also didn't have a face like Mike Nesmith playing Hugh Jackman as Wolverine:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-23 04:24:00 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Alonjar: Thats a very large number for a less than spectacular product.  Sonofabiatch.  Guess they wanted the name more than anything.

/I bet Quantum Apostrophe is going to be pissed one way or another.

Not as pissed as you techno-utopians will be when the future won't happen.

In ten years, no one will drive in a 3D printed car, no one will eat 3D printed food on a 3D printed space station.

In ten years, maybe I'll buy a 3D printer if it makes tiny plastic parts to decorate my quadcopter.


All I want to know is in 10 years are we going to be farking 3D printed pussy?
 
2013-06-23 04:24:53 PM
Apple is worth way more than $400 million.
 
2013-06-23 04:32:13 PM

HempHead: 3D printing will destroy the container ship industry and put a kink in China's manufacturing industry.

In the not to distant future you will buy your 3D plans and pop over to the convenience store to pick up,your widget.


I read that William Gibson novel too. The powers that be will not allow that to happen. There is too much money riding on the status quo.
I wish it wasn't so but it is. VHS cassettes and file sharing have not destroyed the entertainment industry. Electric cars, biodiesel and ethanol have not destroyed the oil industry. PETA and all the vegetarians in the world have not destroyed the meat industry. That utopian Star Trek future of replicators and equality is a pipe dream to keep us placid and hopeful. Money always wins.
 
2013-06-23 04:34:29 PM

ongbok: Quantum Apostrophe: Alonjar: Thats a very large number for a less than spectacular product.  Sonofabiatch.  Guess they wanted the name more than anything.

/I bet Quantum Apostrophe is going to be pissed one way or another.

Not as pissed as you techno-utopians will be when the future won't happen.

In ten years, no one will drive in a 3D printed car, no one will eat 3D printed food on a 3D printed space station.

In ten years, maybe I'll buy a 3D printer if it makes tiny plastic parts to decorate my quadcopter.

All I want to know is in 10 years are we going to be farking 3D printed pussy?


Yes and they'll be molded from Becky Stearns and Limor Fried. The future is a dark, dark place.
 
2013-06-23 04:39:26 PM

scalpod: Repolicator?

[img.fark.net image 320x240]

Repulsificator!


Nice, I used to love that game. Hours of hilariously sadistic entertainment. I should download a copy of that...
 
2013-06-23 05:34:21 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: MindStalker: I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.

I can imagine short, stumpy workout chicks doing my bidding, and ...?

You are referring to "technologies" that are so far from anything that's possible it's just pure fantasy.


I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.
 
2013-06-23 05:40:37 PM

MindStalker: Quantum Apostrophe: MindStalker: I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.

I can imagine short, stumpy workout chicks doing my bidding, and ...?

You are referring to "technologies" that are so far from anything that's possible it's just pure fantasy.

I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.


Stop talking to that thing.
 
2013-06-23 05:47:38 PM

redsquid: 3D printers will never fill a need in the average American household, in spite of all the Star Trek replicator hype from the boosters.


That's really not what they're for. Unlike VR, additive manufacturing has serious industrial applications. Everybody from medical firms to NASA is doing it, and they're seeing serious benefits. The barrier to entry for some forms of additive manufacturing are surprisingly low, making it ideal for rapid prototyping and making components for your eventual production scale-up, as well as making bespoke parts affordable.

The American household has no use for these, any more than the average American household needs a lathe or a router.

ongbok: All I want to know is in 10 years are we going to be farking 3D printed pussy?


Yeah, that's totally doable, but there are probably better ways to produce bespoke sex toys. Reconfigurable molds are probably a better choice.

redsquid: The powers that be will not allow that to happen. There is too much money riding on the status quo.


I think you underestimate the interest that the powers-that-be have in reducing costs and increasing production. They won't mind that you're 3D printing stuff at the local shop- when you've licensed the model for $19.95. And don't worry, that local shop won't print unlicensed files.
 
2013-06-23 06:06:32 PM

MindStalker: Quantum Apostrophe: MindStalker: I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.

I can imagine short, stumpy workout chicks doing my bidding, and ...?

You are referring to "technologies" that are so far from anything that's possible it's just pure fantasy.

I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.


In which case, anything can be "possible", right?

lewismarktwo: MindStalker: Quantum Apostrophe: MindStalker: I can imagine automated processes that take apart an asteroid and build a space station from it.

I can imagine short, stumpy workout chicks doing my bidding, and ...?

You are referring to "technologies" that are so far from anything that's possible it's just pure fantasy.

I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.

Stop talking to that thing.


Aw shucks, someone's cranky today. 3D printer ran out of filament?
 
2013-06-23 06:18:03 PM
If you're good at something, never do it for free.
 
2013-06-23 07:01:42 PM

MindStalker: I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.


Don't engage him.  He was raped by Buzz Aldrin with a 3D printed dildo while playing with his Virtua Boy as a child.  His views on certain subjects have all gone downhill from that point.
 
2013-06-23 07:03:15 PM

Farker Soze: MindStalker: I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.

Don't engage him.  He was raped by Buzz Aldrin with a 3D printed dildo while playing with his Virtua Boy as a child.  His views on certain subjects have all gone downhill from that point.


I know, right? Pointing out that space is empty and hostile is woo-woo nuts!
 
kab
2013-06-23 07:07:20 PM

HempHead: In the not to distant future you will buy your 3D plans and pop over to the convenience store to pick up,your widget.


What's not too distant to you... 50 years?
 
2013-06-23 07:19:31 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Farker Soze: MindStalker: I was referring to far future, not anything close to today.

Don't engage him.  He was raped by Buzz Aldrin with a 3D printed dildo while playing with his Virtua Boy as a child.  His views on certain subjects have all gone downhill from that point.

I know, right? Pointing out that space is empty and hostile is woo-woo nuts!


Yep, there's that nihilism you'd expect from a survivor of such a traumatic incident.  Thank God ol' Buzz wasn't wearing clown makeup and Croks, who knows how worse off you'd have turned out.
 
2013-06-23 07:40:09 PM
In space no one can hear you 3D print.

/because you can't 3D print in space actually
//think of the layering of the plastic dust, without gravity you would get dust flying everywhere
 
2013-06-23 07:41:15 PM

kab: HempHead: In the not to distant future you will buy your 3D plans and pop over to the convenience store to pick up,your widget.

What's not too distant to you... 50 years?




10 years.
 
2013-06-23 08:00:34 PM

kab: HempHead: In the not to distant future you will buy your 3D plans and pop over to the convenience store to pick up,your widget.

What's not too distant to you... 50 years?


Next Sunday, AD.
 
2013-06-23 08:13:10 PM
Servo motors and hot glue guns are now "technology"
 
2013-06-23 08:28:26 PM

assjuice: Servo motors and hot glue guns are now "technology"


Well yes, actually they ARE  technology, just not terribly complex or  new.
 
2013-06-23 08:37:43 PM
Just the other day I was looking at Makerbot and thinking their design was looking pretty dated now. An excellent move all around, IMO.

The Makerbot founders and shareholders get money to go do their next thing.
Stratasys gets a "mature technology" reliable 3D printer, and has the money to build them in a real factory, and sell them at Best Buy for $599.

Personally, I'm still waiting. The Formlabs Form-1 is pretty much what I want, but I wasn't confident enough they could pull it off to do the Kickstarter. Maybe after they're caught-up on orders, or maybe I'll wait for their next generation. It's not like I actually need one; it's just going to be another new toy.
 
2013-06-23 08:48:53 PM
Stealing free ideas and making cash off them in this age started with MSDOS.  Not sure how we can make it more fair, but we could if we decided to be more of a society and less of a selfish cesspool.
 
2013-06-23 09:02:42 PM
As a player in the 3D printing & scanning world (my lab has 3, and I'm speaking at a national conference on the subject this summer, so shut up), I can say that I'm very troubled by Stratasys' moves recently. They are buying up all the cool technology, locking up all the resins and materials in proprietary formulations and software, and then shoving it up the ass of the end-users who have no choice but to buy from a sole source. Stratasys used to just make cool gear, but now they're becoming the evil Micro$oft of the 3D printing world. Does a 1kg bottle of UV sensitive resin really need to cost US$150? This shiat is ludicrous.
 
kab
2013-06-23 10:24:38 PM
HempHead:

10 years.

Good luck.
 
2013-06-23 11:10:04 PM

kab: HempHead:

10 years.

Good luck.




It will be the Amazon.com of manufacturing.
 
2013-06-23 11:13:16 PM

Macular Degenerate: As a player in the 3D printing & scanning world (my lab has 3, and I'm speaking at a national conference on the subject this summer, so shut up), I can say that I'm very troubled by Stratasys' moves recently. They are buying up all the cool technology, locking up all the resins and materials in proprietary formulations and software, and then shoving it up the ass of the end-users who have no choice but to buy from a sole source. Stratasys used to just make cool gear, but now they're becoming the evil Micro$oft of the 3D printing world. Does a 1kg bottle of UV sensitive resin really need to cost US$150? This shiat is ludicrous.


If they aren't careful, they could betamax themselves.
 
2013-06-23 11:33:07 PM
I'm just surprised Autodesk didn't purchase them

Wonder if Autodesk will still have a dell with Statysys makerbot, when it's all said and done, and can I get an Not for Resale Version
 
2013-06-23 11:37:37 PM

Macular Degenerate: As a player in the 3D printing & scanning world (my lab has 3, and I'm speaking at a national conference on the subject this summer, so shut up), I can say that I'm very troubled by Stratasys' moves recently. They are buying up all the cool technology, locking up all the resins and materials in proprietary formulations and software, and then shoving it up the ass of the end-users who have no choice but to buy from a sole source. Stratasys used to just make cool gear, but now they're becoming the evil Micro$oft of the 3D printing world. Does a 1kg bottle of UV sensitive resin really need to cost US$150? This shiat is ludicrous.


They are a bit annoying, my comapny was in talks with objet about the time they got bought, and that went out the frikkin window

I was looking forward to having an objet at the office for demonstration purposes
 
2013-06-24 12:34:46 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: no one will eat 3D printed food


I bet in less than 5yrs you'll be able to send 3D chocolate renderings of your kids to your Mom on mother's day.
 
2013-06-24 02:42:15 AM
Capitalism. The non-sexual rape.
 
2013-06-24 03:29:49 AM

Aureliano_Buendia: Capitalism. The non-sexual rape.


Prostitution, really. People get farked, and money changes hands.

/and it's always the pimps who keep the money
 
2013-06-24 04:59:09 AM

SteakMan: I bet in less than 5yrs you'll be able to send 3D chocolate renderings of your kids to your Mom on mother's day.


You can buy a printer for about $5K.

But still, none of this is going to end up in consumers hands. Look at the greeting card market - at one time, people were being sold on "print your own greeting cards" from their printers, but you compare the cost and quality with the cost and quality of the ones you can order online and people have stopped doing it because a specialist doing it kicks your ass.

You'll get someone doing 3d chocolate online. You upload a png, put in someone's address and they'll print it and send it. And you'll pay maybe $20 for the service.
 
2013-06-24 07:19:17 AM

SteakMan: Quantum Apostrophe: no one will eat 3D printed food

I bet in less than 5yrs you'll be able to send 3D chocolate renderings of your kids to your Mom on mother's day.


Wait, are you saying we can send mom copies of our chocolate salty balls?
 
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