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(BBC)   China's Xinhua news agency condemns US 'cyber-attacks' "They demonstrate that the United States, which has long been trying to play innocent as a victim of cyber-attacks, has turned out to be the biggest villain in our age"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 118
    More: Followup, Xinhua News Agency, United States, Xi Jinping, Chinese leaders  
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2013-06-23 08:18:14 AM  
Wait, you mean the NSA only makes it look like the constant stream of attacks on my servers are coming from China? Those bastards.
 
2013-06-23 09:53:51 AM  
The Pentagon's elite neckbeard brigade will keep the nation's internets safe.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-23 10:04:37 AM  
Well, they would say that wouldn't they.  I suspect that every country does it.
 
2013-06-23 10:16:44 AM  
The world has changed dramatically in the last 20 years because of electronics, and the spy game has to keep up. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't doing it. The solution is not public rhetoric, but to get the smart folks together and let them brainstorm ways to intercept and prevent attacks.  Pay them well and let them wear jeans and tee shirts to work and you might achieve something.
 
2013-06-23 10:31:41 AM  

flucto: Wait, you mean the NSA only makes it look like the constant stream of attacks on my servers are coming from China? Those bastards.


They're very sneaky like that.

Cruise downtown DC searching for open wireless networks and house odds say the majority are PRC fronts. This isn't something new.
 
2013-06-23 11:52:13 AM  
"They have no problem spotting their cyber-targets, what with their BIG AMERICAN EYES!!!!"
 
2013-06-23 11:58:09 AM  
Future James Bond movies will show some guy tapping away at a keyboard and then getting a cup of coffee
 
2013-06-23 12:01:03 PM  
And, since our moral standing in the world is basically nonexistent at this point, they have a credible argument.
 
2013-06-23 12:09:42 PM  
The US government is spying on its citizens.  I'm surprised some people here are ok with it.
 
2013-06-23 12:14:00 PM  

Notabunny: Future James Bond movies will show some guy tapping away at a keyboard and then getting a cup of coffee


I sat down with a cup of coffee to refuel my keyboard-tapping and immediately saw this comment, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-06-23 12:15:01 PM  
Next you'll tell me the US is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world and the leader in promoting terrorism.
 
2013-06-23 12:15:03 PM  

Notabunny: Future James Bond movies will show some guy tapping away at a keyboard and then getting a cup of coffee

Mountain Dew and some Cheetos
 
2013-06-23 12:15:58 PM  
I'm pretty certain both sides have played a role in cyber attacks against eachother.
 
2013-06-23 12:28:10 PM  

AeAe: The US government is spying on its citizens.  I'm surprised some people here are ok with it.


It's not like Uncle Sam is Facebook or something...
 
2013-06-23 12:30:21 PM  

Dagrin: Notabunny: Future James Bond movies will show some guy tapping away at a keyboard and then getting a cup of coffee Mountain Dew and some Cheetos

Fritos
 
2013-06-23 12:30:22 PM  
You know, occasionally I get a little flareup of patriotism and I want to respond to someone by saying "Hey, say what you want about the US, but at least AMERICA doesn't just "disappear" people, kill without trial, or have a Constitution that is largely ignored by the agencies who should be protecting it!"

It really, really pisses me off that I can't get all high and mighty about my country anymore.
 
2013-06-23 12:33:45 PM  
PRC can EABOD.  Like we cyber attack their systems like they do ours.

Hmm...I wonder where the Chinese for the ideas for THESE things:

  J-31
killerapps.foreignpolicy.com

 The "Wing Long" copy of the US MQ-1
theaviationist.com

Stealth UAV that look suspiciously like a copy of the US Boeing Phantom Ray (US version here  images.defensetech.org

China's COPY:
killerapps.foreignpolicy.com

So, yeah, China, go screw yourself.  And, BTW, thanks for trying to hack into my deployed email address, you clowns.
 
2013-06-23 12:41:39 PM  

dahmers love zombie: You know, occasionally I get a little flareup of patriotism and I want to respond to someone by saying "Hey, say what you want about the US, but at least AMERICA doesn't just "disappear" people, kill without trial, or have a Constitution that is largely ignored by the agencies who should be protecting it!"

It really, really pisses me off that I can't get all high and mighty about my country anymore.


If that's the case, you haven't been paying attention to the last century's worth of US history.

I recommend Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States.  Read it and you'll see there hasn't been reason to feel high and mighty about this country, ever.
 
2013-06-23 12:43:32 PM  

Mi-5: PRC can EABOD.  Like we cyber attack their systems like they do ours.

Hmm...I wonder where the Chinese for the ideas for THESE things:

  J-31
[killerapps.foreignpolicy.com image 625x417]

 The "Wing Long" copy of the US MQ-1
[theaviationist.com image 850x558]

Stealth UAV that look suspiciously like a copy of the US Boeing Phantom Ray (US version here  [images.defensetech.org image 490x327]

China's COPY:
[killerapps.foreignpolicy.com image 625x265]

So, yeah, China, go screw yourself.  And, BTW, thanks for trying to hack into my deployed email address, you clowns.


But look on the bright side, they are made in Chinese knockoffs so quality will suffer as they try to replace the X component with something that costs 1/2 of X.

/Or at least that is something that can be hoped for.
 
2013-06-23 12:44:27 PM  
I wonder where I can read up on the Tiananmen Square in China.  Oh yeah, I can't.  It must be because they are so free.

F**K China.  Lying, thieving, hypocritical sacks of crap.

They have not created anything in that country since fireworks.  They do know how to steal though.
 
2013-06-23 12:44:27 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Read it and you'll see there hasn't been reason to feel high and mighty about this country, ever


Ignorance may not be a good reason, but it lets you put on a big foam #1 finger and chant, "USA USA USA".
 
2013-06-23 12:46:26 PM  

AeAe: The US government is spying on its citizens.  I'm surprised some people here are ok with it.


I'm sure all countries are doing that.  So, it's cool.  Because fark China.

USA!  USA!!

...

Eeeh, you know what?

I've decided.

I'm going to come back to the US and open a Chinese Anchor Baby hotel.  Get 10-20 grand per Commie Mommy.   Because you know what?

The Chinese government may be jerks,  but you pro-America farkers are straight up douche bags.  It doesn't matter the political stripe, you forgive and forget anything your "team" has ever done, yet forgive nothing your "opponents" ever have.

YOU are jerks. You jerks.  And I'm tired of you.

I'll be pro-China just to annoy you as much as you annoy me.

/and the American government are also jerks
//I'll call the hotel "The Anchorage."
 
2013-06-23 12:47:19 PM  

vpb: Well, they would say that wouldn't they.  I suspect that every country does it.


Swaziland doesn't.

Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-06-23 12:47:52 PM  
Addendum:  Of course, that rant was not directed at AeAe.
 
2013-06-23 12:53:55 PM  
The biggest villain in our age?

I would have guessed Jabba the Hutt or Baron Harkonnen, or maybe Eric Cartman or subby's mom.
 
2013-06-23 01:00:38 PM  
I for one am stunned that countries that consider each other economic and military adversaries would conduct cyber attacks against each other. Now a proxy war involving vassal states, that's the good stuff.
 
2013-06-23 01:05:48 PM  
The comical thing out of all of this is China is pretending it has the moral high ground in this story.
 
2013-06-23 01:07:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The comical thing out of all of this is China is pretending it has the moral high ground in this story.


No, the US is pretending it has the moral high ground.

China is pretending that it is a victim.

As usual (in both cases).
 
2013-06-23 01:07:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The comical thing out of all of this is China is pretending it has the moral high ground in this story.


I think they enjoy pretending as well.
 
2013-06-23 01:10:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The comical thing out of all of this is China is pretending it has the moral high ground in this story.


It's all part of some weird kabuki theater that has been Chinese foreign policy for hundreds of years.

It's a little like something my white trash neighbors do: catch them doing something illegal and call them on it, and they make as much noise as they can, so direct attention away from themselves and towards their accuser.
 
2013-06-23 01:12:23 PM  
When will the World figure out that the U.S. is always Right??

its not hard, folks.
 
2013-06-23 01:13:16 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: dahmers love zombie: You know, occasionally I get a little flareup of patriotism and I want to respond to someone by saying "Hey, say what you want about the US, but at least AMERICA doesn't just "disappear" people, kill without trial, or have a Constitution that is largely ignored by the agencies who should be protecting it!"

It really, really pisses me off that I can't get all high and mighty about my country anymore.

If that's the case, you haven't been paying attention to the last century's worth of US history.

I recommend Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States.  Read it and you'll see there hasn't been reason to feel high and mighty about this country, ever.


Howard Zinn is so full of shiat, it isn't even funny.  People seriously consider that dreck noteworthy?
 
2013-06-23 01:14:29 PM  
it always helps to be smart enough about online security to use Linux.


even the Navy is moving their stuff over to Linux.  and the International space station too.
 
2013-06-23 01:14:37 PM  
"Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the Hong Kong Government requested additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request met relevant legal conditions."

-Hong Kong about the U.S. request of a provisional warrant for Snowden

A+ trollling HK

And then:

"At the same time, it has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong. "

Great stuff.
 
2013-06-23 01:15:19 PM  

sendtodave: AeAe: The US government is spying on its citizens.  I'm surprised some people here are ok with it.

I'm sure all countries are doing that.  So, it's cool.  Because fark China.

USA!  USA!!

...

Eeeh, you know what?

I've decided.

I'm going to come back to the US and open a Chinese Anchor Baby hotel.  Get 10-20 grand per Commie Mommy.   Because you know what?

The Chinese government may be jerks,  but you pro-America farkers are straight up douche bags.  It doesn't matter the political stripe, you forgive and forget anything your "team" has ever done, yet forgive nothing your "opponents" ever have.

YOU are jerks. You jerks.  And I'm tired of you.

I'll be pro-China just to annoy you as much as you annoy me.

/and the American government are also jerks
//I'll call the hotel "The Anchorage."


Haven't got been the pro-china back before? Or are you saying this is a new thing?

And you are bad at understanding sarcasm.
 
2013-06-23 01:15:33 PM  

AeAe: The US government is spying on its citizens.  I'm surprised some people here are ok with it.



the same people who are boob toobed with Faux News and corporate owned 'news' in America.  the only real news is online.
 
2013-06-23 01:16:44 PM  

SomebodyElsesShoes: "Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the Hong Kong Government requested additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request met relevant legal conditions."

-Hong Kong about the U.S. request of a provisional warrant for Snowden

A+ trollling HK

And then:

"At the same time, it has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong. "

Great stuff.


Well, Hong Kong values and prides itself on their rule of law.

Law comes before politics.

What a nice idea.
 
2013-06-23 01:16:54 PM  

Mi-5: PRC can EABOD.  Like we cyber attack their systems like they do ours.

Hmm...I wonder where the Chinese for the ideas for THESE things:

  J-31
[killerapps.foreignpolicy.com image 625x417]

 The "Wing Long" copy of the US MQ-1
[theaviationist.com image 850x558]

Stealth UAV that look suspiciously like a copy of the US Boeing Phantom Ray (US version here  [images.defensetech.org image 490x327]

China's COPY:
[killerapps.foreignpolicy.com image 625x265]

So, yeah, China, go screw yourself.  And, BTW, thanks for trying to hack into my deployed email address, you clowns.



you need to break out the Linux if you want security.   i recommend Linux Mint.
 
2013-06-23 01:18:13 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: dahmers love zombie: You know, occasionally I get a little flareup of patriotism and I want to respond to someone by saying "Hey, say what you want about the US, but at least AMERICA doesn't just "disappear" people, kill without trial, or have a Constitution that is largely ignored by the agencies who should be protecting it!"

It really, really pisses me off that I can't get all high and mighty about my country anymore.

If that's the case, you haven't been paying attention to the last century's worth of US history.

I recommend Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States.  Read it and you'll see there hasn't been reason to feel high and mighty about this country, ever.



sadly true.  we have such Promise, but Capital always exerts its power and influence.  maybe some day we'll get the balance right.
 
2013-06-23 01:18:50 PM  

sendtodave: SomebodyElsesShoes: "Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the Hong Kong Government requested additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request met relevant legal conditions."

-Hong Kong about the U.S. request of a provisional warrant for Snowden

A+ trollling HK

And then:

"At the same time, it has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong. "

Great stuff.

Well, Hong Kong values and prides itself on their rule of law.

Law comes before politics.

What a nice idea.


You are an idiot.
 
2013-06-23 01:19:12 PM  
Walmart: We exploit cheap communist Chinese labor so you don't have to!!
 
2013-06-23 01:19:34 PM  

Moopy Mac: Haven't got been the pro-china back before? Or are you saying this is a new thing?

And you are bad at understanding sarcasm.


Well, I live here, so, yeah.

It just seems I can't be a "fark liberal" and like anything about China.  That is right out.

I always thought we liberals were the open minded, accepting types.  Guess that is conditional.

And I probably am bad at detecting sarcasm, I am blind drunk at the moment.
 
2013-06-23 01:19:57 PM  

sprgrss: Howard Zinn is so full of shiat, it isn't even funny. People seriously consider that dreck noteworthy?


Oh, goodie. We get to play this game again: could you tell me one thing in ZInn's People's History of the United States which is factually false?

I'll be here, waiting.
 
2013-06-23 01:20:48 PM  

SomebodyElsesShoes: sendtodave: SomebodyElsesShoes: "Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the Hong Kong Government requested additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request met relevant legal conditions."

-Hong Kong about the U.S. request of a provisional warrant for Snowden

A+ trollling HK

And then:

"At the same time, it has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong. "

Great stuff.

Well, Hong Kong values and prides itself on their rule of law.

Law comes before politics.

What a nice idea.

You are an idiot.


I like you, you're nice.
 
2013-06-23 01:21:07 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: I wonder where I can read up on the Tiananmen Square in China.  Oh yeah, I can't.  It must be because they are so free.

F**K China.  Lying, thieving, hypocritical sacks of crap.

They have not created anything in that country since fireworks.  They do know how to steal though.



yea, Americans never steal.   lol    our Principles and all.

and Wall Street never steals either  (ref: 2008/09 housing crises that almost destroyed our economy)
 
2013-06-23 01:22:45 PM  
Uh-huh.  BTW: Xinhua says to buy gold.  It's a great investment!
 
2013-06-23 01:24:50 PM  
So, really, were liberals here always judgmental douchebags, and I didn't bother to notice because I thought their harsh critique of the GOP was astute?
 
2013-06-23 01:46:40 PM  
If I didn't know any better I would guess that some clever Chinese cop got Snowden to agree to a deal whereby Snowden agreed to tell the cop everything he knew about the NSA's activities in China in exchange for a safe-conduct out of Hong Kong.

Of course, if the alternative would have been getting shoved by a bunch of Chinese cops onto a plane bound for Honolulu, I can see why Snowden would have been eager to cooperate.  Even to the extent of spilling information that he made up then and there.
 
2013-06-23 01:49:56 PM  

SomebodyElsesShoes: sendtodave: SomebodyElsesShoes: "Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the Hong Kong Government requested additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request met relevant legal conditions."

-Hong Kong about the U.S. request of a provisional warrant for Snowden

A+ trollling HK

And then:

"At the same time, it has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong. "

Great stuff.

Well, Hong Kong values and prides itself on their rule of law.

Law comes before politics.

What a nice idea.

You are an idiot.


In case you thought I was just making this up, HK really does pride itself on it's rule of law, and it's autonomy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/23/snowden-exit-hong-kong-revel s- in-its-rule-law/

Hong Kong has risked the threat of US reprisals in allowing Edward Snowden to leave. But its government insists that the rule of law took primacy for a territory that jealously guards its separateness from mainland China. It's kinda their thing.

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1260278/hong-kon gs -rule-law-takes-front-seat

The integrity of our legal system is among the reasons Snowden decided to seek refuge in our city. As he told the South China Morning Post on Wednesday, he wanted Hong Kong's courts and its people to decide his fate.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gYvOhQUkf31EpZ5dj fG XNxifmh6Q?docId=CNG.67d2181a80db59a06b597e7ba3f1856e.971

"I don't think the HK authorities deliberately dragged their feet. They proceeded entirely in accordance with due process and rule of law ... despite pressure from the Americans,"

http://www.doj.gov.hk/eng/legal/

At the heart of Hong Kong's system of government lies the principle that no one, including the Chief Executive, can do an act which would otherwise constitute a legal wrong or affect a person's liberty unless he can point to a legal justification for that action.

...

It's kinda a big deal there.

Now, if you want, I can get on a ferry tomorrow and get anecdotal man on the street evidence to show you that HKers value their rule of law even more than their elected officials, and certainly more than anyone from Beijing (seen more or less as an imperial governance).

But I really hope that won't be necessary.  Barbecue I'll be hungover and full of hate.
 
2013-06-23 01:51:15 PM  
It's kinda their thing.

oops.  That was mine, not a quote.
 
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