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(Sportige)   On one hand, Matthew Stafford is the present and future of the Detroit Lions. On the other, he is 1-of-23 in games against teams with a winning record   (sportige.com) divider line 47
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2013-06-23 11:23:36 AM  
I am not a particular fan of Stafford's, but seriously.... how much of this is actually due to his bad play?  An 82.something passer rating is actually quite good.
 
2013-06-23 11:27:26 AM  
Following up (and I am not subby, btw.):  Among all QBs in the NFL - active and historical - Stafford has the top avg yards per game.

He's top 40 in pass completion % all time.

He is 18th all-time in percentage of passing plays in which he is sacked... undoubtedly he has something to do with that, but it says more about the quality of the players and coaches around him than it does of him.

My call is that he is a substantially above avg QB who plays on a crappy team.
 
2013-06-23 11:32:35 AM  

bronyaur1: An 82.something passer rating is actually quite good.


Christian Ponder's passer rating for 2012 was 81.2. You were saying?
 
2013-06-23 11:39:03 AM  

bronyaur1: Following up (and I am not subby, btw.):  Among all QBs in the NFL - active and historical - Stafford has the top avg yards per game.


Wouldn't this be a function of both:

1. Detroit not having had a decent running game in forever

&

2. Teams that fall behind early tend to have to go pass heavy in the hopes of catching up?

It's not exactly a positive stat.
 
2013-06-23 11:39:28 AM  
Brad Johnson and Daunte Culpepper played lights out with Randy Moss.

Stafford is Megatron's QB. His stats are inflated.
 
2013-06-23 11:42:26 AM  
Bad o-line = More injuries and more plays for lost yardage. So decent QB on a bad team.
 
2013-06-23 11:44:00 AM  
He plays for Detroit, even Barry Sanders was smart enough to retire his ass out of there.

/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
 
2013-06-23 11:49:14 AM  
Very good QB with a line that cannot run block, a team without a run game and double teamed superstar WR. Add the worst ST in the league and a weak D secondary.  He's done quite well.
 
2013-06-23 12:04:59 PM  

bronyaur1: Following up (and I am not subby, btw.):  Among all QBs in the NFL - active and historical - Stafford has the top avg yards per game.

He's top 40 in pass completion % all time.

He is 18th all-time in percentage of passing plays in which he is sacked... undoubtedly he has something to do with that, but it says more about the quality of the players and coaches around him than it does of him.

My call is that he is a substantially above avg QB who plays on a crappy team.

wasted too many throws on headcase Titus Young.

I still contend Titus Young THREW the game against Green Bay last year.... he dropped a TON of catches early in that game, before he started running the wrong routes and lining up in the wrong place. Had one or two of those catches been made, the Lions might have won that game.

The Lions will be a much better team without Young sabotaging them this upcoming season.
 
2013-06-23 12:12:21 PM  
but he puts up big numbers! that's got to count for something, right?
 
2013-06-23 12:17:11 PM  

bronyaur1: My call is that he is a substantially above avg QB who plays on a crappy team.


Bingo.  Let's not place all the blame for a spectacularly futile football organization on one guy.
 
2013-06-23 12:19:17 PM  
On one hand, Matthew Stafford is the present and future of the Detroit Lions. On the other, he is 1-of-23 in games against teams with a winning record

I don't see a contradiction here.  That is the future of the Detroit Lions.
 
2013-06-23 12:20:28 PM  
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Matt Stafford lacks discipline.
The Lions need discipline.
Tom C. is discipline.
 
2013-06-23 12:20:44 PM  
Tebow to Detroit?

/runs
 
2013-06-23 12:26:54 PM  
So wait the lions magically became a good team when?
 
2013-06-23 12:28:04 PM  
He's a top ten talent without a doubt. shiatty coaching, ownership, and executives will ruin yet another player. Plus, you get to hear the announcers talk about his arm slots all game, every game.

/they're only an OT, DE, two LBs, and an entire secondary away from competing.
 
2013-06-23 12:31:32 PM  
Stafford is a good QB on a bad team.
 
2013-06-23 12:34:33 PM  
2012 season:

Win against Rams 27-23
Loss against 49ers 19-27
Loss against Titans 41-44
Loss against Vikings 13-20
Win against Eagles 26-23
Loss against Bears 7-13
Win against Seahawks 28-24
Win against Jaguars 31-14
Loss against Vikings 24-34
Loss against Packers 20-24
Loss against Texans 31-34
Loss against Colts 33-35
Loss against Packers 20-27
Loss against Cardinals 10-38
Loss against Falcons 18-31
Loss against Bears 24-26

Offensive points scored: 372
Defensive points allowed: 437

They only had one single-digit point game and were never shut out.
Kinda hard to win when you're posting an average of 21 points per game but your defense is allowing an average of 25 points per game being scored against you.
 
2013-06-23 12:39:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 2012 season:

They only had one single-digit point game and were never shut out.
Kinda hard to win when you're posting an average of 21 points per game but your defense is allowing an average of 25 points per game being scored against you.


In fairness there are about 7 playoff teams on that list including 3 of the top 4 NFC teams.  At this point just about EVERYBODY knows the Lions' flaws it's just a question of whether they go 9-7 this year or 6-10.  Because with the NFC North schedules 10-11 wins might just take it.
 
2013-06-23 12:41:10 PM  
Who can blame him, what with being distracted by those hot cheerleaders in their skimpy outfits prancing around the sidelines and all...
 
2013-06-23 12:49:11 PM  
He is this generation's Dan Marino - minus some of the wins.

He will probably have a career of 5,000+ yard seasons with no Super Bowl
 
2013-06-23 12:56:53 PM  

bronyaur1: I am not a particular fan of Stafford's, but seriously.... how much of this is actually due to his bad play?  An 82.something passer rating is actually quite good.



Not quite sure, but if you fumble a snap out of shot gun then it's kind of a sign that your skills may not be as good as advertised.
 
2013-06-23 01:04:08 PM  

bronyaur1: My call is that he is a substantially above avg QB who plays on a crappy team.


He's an average QB who throws to a substantially above avg WR.

Thing is, average is average.  He's neither a strength nor a liability.  The Lions' losses aren't on him any more than his gaudy passing stats are his own doing.
 
2013-06-23 01:18:25 PM  
Choking in games against real teams? You can take the Dawg out of UGA, but you can't take the UGA out of the Dawg.
 
2013-06-23 01:26:51 PM  
it has been six months so i forget, but i think Stafford might have been the guy that last year, had artifically inflated numbers. someone dug out a statistic where a QB had a huge amount of 4th quarter pass and TDs, but those came when his team was way, way down scorewise.  while it could be argued that showed a comeback potential, what it more looked like was, "the other team took their foot off the gas pedal and let him get garbage yards".
 
2013-06-23 01:54:26 PM  

rickythepenguin: it has been six months so i forget, but i think Stafford might have been the guy that last year, had artifically inflated numbers. someone dug out a statistic where a QB had a huge amount of 4th quarter pass and TDs, but those came when his team was way, way down scorewise.  while it could be argued that showed a comeback potential, what it more looked like was, "the other team took their foot off the gas pedal and let him get garbage yards".


3 of those games he won.  (coincidentally - 3 of the Lion's 4 wins last year)

The year before - he won about 4 or 5 of those games.

Garbage yards?  Probably.  But more than half of the garbage yard games ended in winning or having the game come down to the last couple of plays.
 
2013-06-23 02:00:37 PM  
It's not so much Stafford as it is the Lions.  Remember, this is the team that wasted Barry Sanders and pushed him to an early retirement so he didn't have to play for them anymore.  The Lions have 1 playoff win in my lifetime...and I'm 47.  They suck, they'll always suck, and they'll continue to suck.  If they have a winning season, it's just a tease so they can break your heart.
 
2013-06-23 02:10:22 PM  

kukukupo: Garbage yards? Probably. But more than half of the garbage yard games ended in winning or having the game come down to the last couple of plays.


i think it was him but not sure.

and i'm not bashing him, i think he's just cursed to be on a bad team.  what would Matt Ryan do on the Lions and STafford do with the Falcons?  shiat happens.

but yeah, FO or perhaps Peter King (unlikely, as Stafford's first year King was  huge supporter of his, mainly due to that one game where Stafford was miked, and he was shown exhorting the troops.  well, that happens every game every Sunday, but for some reason peter king, who loves that rah-rah shiat, only chooses to bloviate about leadership when a "traditional qb type" does it, if you can read the codewords), someone found  a stat of a QB with 4th quarter blowout numbers.
 
2013-06-23 02:18:26 PM  

slayer199: The Lions have 1 playoff win in my lifetime


Erik Kramer has as many playoff wins as Tim Tebow and Matt Ryan.
 
2013-06-23 02:25:45 PM  

NewWorldDan: bronyaur1: An 82.something passer rating is actually quite good.

Christian Ponder's passer rating for 2012 was 81.2. You were saying?


I am saying that it is above the NFL avg.  My point is that putting the blame primarily on Stafford for the Lions won-lost record simple-minded.  It is not mainly his fault that the team gave up 27.3 pts per game... the team gave up the third worst point per opponents play in the entire NFL.

A bad QB is improved by a great WR, but how much better did Cutler get in 2012 with the addition of Brandon Marshall?  Answer:  his stats got worse in 2012.

Is any QB who fumbles a shotgun snap by definition a bad QB?
 
2013-06-23 03:25:09 PM  

bronyaur1: A bad QB is improved by a great WR, but how much better did Cutler get in 2012 with the addition of Brandon Marshall?  Answer:  his stats got worse in 2012.


This is the greatest myth in sports. WRs do not make QBs. QBs make WRs. If the reverse was true Arizona would be QB HoF factory.

That being said a QB rating of 80 is the 'Mendoza Line' for the NFL. Worse than that and you should be cut. However the new rules are raising that bar so it's really about 85 or maybe 90. Stafford has shown he can win and put up good numbers, and has a QB rating that says he's not the primary problem on the Lions.

His rating would go up if he wasn't constantly throwing to win the game because his defense sucks. A good defense will do more for a QB than any set of WRs. Rather than throwing into a pass-ready defense while down in the 4th quarter, he could be throwing easy passes from the lead. Also not throwing INTs because he knows a punt = TD with his crap defense.

You could swap him & Romo and nothing would change for either team. 
Swap him with Flacco and his numbers would improve immediately.
 
2013-06-23 03:31:28 PM  

lilbjorn: On one hand, Matthew Stafford is the present and future of the Detroit Lions. On the other, he is 1-of-23 in games against teams with a winning record

I don't see a contradiction here.  That is the future of the Detroit Lions.


This.  Maybe the Lions should draft some receivers in the first round for him to throw to.
 
2013-06-23 03:42:26 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: lilbjorn: On one hand, Matthew Stafford is the present and future of the Detroit Lions. On the other, he is 1-of-23 in games against teams with a winning record

I don't see a contradiction here.  That is the future of the Detroit Lions.

This.  Maybe the Lions should draft some receivers in the first round for him to throw to.


It makes sense from an outside perspective; but do you know how to start a riot in the fanbase of Detroit?

Draft another WR in the first or second round..
 
2013-06-23 03:43:26 PM  

bionicjoe: This is the greatest myth in sports. WRs do not make QBs. QBs make WRs. If the reverse was true Arizona would be QB HoF factory.


It works both ways. You know that, right?

/when Arizona had an average QB like Kevin Kolb playing, they had a pretty decent offense. He just gets hurt all the time and they have guys that don't belong in the league behind him. Stafford's OK, but a QB rating of 82 sucks these days.
 
2013-06-23 03:47:03 PM  
Stafford is the least of the Loins problems.

Bad ass-end of the defense, terrible STs, no decent run game, and a line that isn't all that good at anything, but is a lot worse at run blocking than pass blocking.

I don't think they're 11 wins good, and I also don't think they're 4 wins bad. I'd say around 9-7 is expected this year. Their coach is a putz but he's got them going in the right direction.
 
2013-06-23 04:04:13 PM  
Guess we'll see if having a running back without a permanent concussion and faster than "are you Leshoure you want to give him the ball on 3rd and 7?" helps the Lions out this year. Bush may actually be fast enough to outrun the guy trying to hit him in the backfield.
 
2013-06-23 04:09:09 PM  
Give him a decent O-Line, a receiver that will make a D think twice about blanketing Johnson, and a running game, and I'm sure the Lions will do better
 
2013-06-23 04:46:43 PM  

Aarontology: Give him a decent O-Line, a receiver that will make a D think twice about blanketing Johnson, and a running game, and I'm sure the Lions will do better


Wow, all he needs is a guy who's capable of the best receiving season in NFL history, a good running game, a good line, and some more weapons and he and his team will be successful?

/no one blankets Johnson
//the Seahawks did, but that was the one week Titus Young decided to give a sh*t
 
2013-06-23 05:10:23 PM  

IAmRight: /when Arizona had an average QB like Kevin Kolb playing, they had a pretty decent offense. He just gets hurt all the time and they have guys that don't belong in the league behind him. Stafford's OK, but a QB rating of 82 sucks these days.


Hoping for a healthy Kolb was one of the darkest times in my life.

/I'm hoping we're out of that tunnel now
 
2013-06-23 05:39:06 PM  
Imagine if Megatron played on a team with a real running game.
 
2013-06-23 07:36:01 PM  

LucklessWonder: bronyaur1: Following up (and I am not subby, btw.):  Among all QBs in the NFL - active and historical - Stafford has the top avg yards per game.

Wouldn't this be a function of both:

1. Detroit not having had a decent running game in forever

&

2. Teams that fall behind early tend to have to go pass heavy in the hopes of catching up?

It's not exactly a positive stat.


This. He isn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination, but a lack of a running game, frequently playing from behind, and heaving it to Calvin Johnson all play a massive part in his numbers.
 
2013-06-23 10:12:18 PM  
I'll tell you this: no matter what, he will never be a full-time starter anywhere else.  I figure he's probably going to go the way of guys like Flacco or Romo -- guys who are unspectacular, solidly above average.
 
2013-06-24 01:59:41 AM  
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You know, there is someone who will always listen, and never blame you.

/OK, I kinda feel bad for that
//but as a long time Vikings/NFC Central fan, I see similarities
///you'd drink too
 
2013-06-24 06:29:10 AM  

meanmutton: I'll tell you this: no matter what, he will never be a full-time starter anywhere else.  I figure he's probably going to go the way of guys like Flacco or Romo -- guys who are unspectacular, solidly above average.


Look, Romo has his issues, but unspectacular? He's thrown  more touchdowns and less interceptions than Aikman or Staubach.
 
2013-06-24 07:01:56 AM  
The whole was always less than the sum of the parts with Stafford at Georgia. I'm not sure he ever threw an interception between the 20's, but damn if he wouldn't throw some in the endzone or have one run back for a score.
 
2013-06-24 09:40:27 AM  

kukukupo: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: lilbjorn: On one hand, Matthew Stafford is the present and future of the Detroit Lions. On the other, he is 1-of-23 in games against teams with a winning record

I don't see a contradiction here.  That is the future of the Detroit Lions.

This.  Maybe the Lions should draft some receivers in the first round for him to throw to.

It makes sense from an outside perspective; but do you know how to start a riot in the fanbase of Detroit?

Draft another WR in the first or second round..


Yeah, I was being an ass to Lions fans.  Besides, that was more of a Matt Millen thing.  Now they are fixated on defensive linemen.
 
2013-06-24 02:45:14 PM  

LesserEvil: I still contend Titus Young THREW the game against Green Bay last year


Or Detroit just sucks and would have found another way to lose that game.
 
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