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2013-06-23 10:52:37 AM
Stupid internet, letting people learn things is the problem.
 
2013-06-23 11:00:22 AM
Now I got that damn song in my head.
 
2013-06-23 11:06:10 AM
I just want to see the angry throngs lynch Bieber, Snookie, and a bunch of other celebitards.
 
2013-06-23 11:07:54 AM

raerae1980: Now I got that damn song in my head.


Same.
 
2013-06-23 11:09:57 AM

Mrtraveler01: raerae1980: Now I got that damn song in my head.

Same.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc

^That will help you get the Beatles out of your head.
 
2013-06-23 11:13:33 AM

Poopspasm: Mrtraveler01: raerae1980: Now I got that damn song in my head.

Same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc

^That will help you get the Beatles out of your head.


You have beetles in your head too?

And they said I was crazy ...
 
2013-06-23 11:13:55 AM

Richard C Stanford: I just want to see the angry throngs lynch Bieber, Snookie, and a bunch of other celebitards.


I want to see boiling oil poured over every 'internet journalist' who uses the term 'baby bump'.

Repeatedly.
 
2013-06-23 11:23:06 AM
What's amusing is that I got this exact same headline greened months ago. Does fark do repeat headlines for different stories?
 
2013-06-23 11:27:47 AM
Ok, maybe  exact, but same damn song
 
2013-06-23 11:40:44 AM
img.fark.net
I ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.


But I'm thinking it's gonna be all right.
 
2013-06-23 11:43:17 AM
Revving up for a revolt

img.fark.net

Good for them
 
2013-06-23 11:47:29 AM
TWEET FOR CHANGE!
 
2013-06-23 11:48:30 AM
All revolutions need a leader. But that leader, no matter how saintly, cannot be trusted with the government beyond the earliest transitionary phase. In the best revolutions, the leader designates a trusted and worthy successor with whom they have no ties of friendship or family, and preferably little or no two-way communication.

Get them in the same room, then spring the decision on them on live television to catch their surprise. Hint that refusal would leave a power vacuum in the fragile transition phase and let their sense of responsibility do the rest. If you've picked the right one for the job, the hint won't even be necessary; They would figure it out on their own.

And if you had an armed paramilitary, don't disband it; transform it into the new, disciplined police and security force. Allow all those from the previous incarnations of such agencies to join unless they have committed actual crimes.
 
2013-06-23 11:50:54 AM
Revolution is not the song people think it is.

"But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
...
 We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait


You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"
 
2013-06-23 11:55:54 AM
Remember that mercy is the most powerful tool the victor has in their possession. Pardon or even elevate those expecting imprisonment or death to create bonds of loyalty that even a childhood friendship cannot rival.

Do not interfere with civil services or bureaucracies unless a particular agency poses a genuine problem. Do not demonize existing special interest groups. Antagonize them only in private; they will thank you for it. Give them terms that are both powerful carrot and well-sharpened stick.
 
2013-06-23 11:59:54 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.


How do you know what people think it is?

Oh, yeah.  You, like all "conservatives," know what people think even better than they do.
 
2013-06-23 12:05:34 PM
The old metric of all revolutions needing leaders is the one thing that may be changing fastest.
Normally its the leadership that defines morality, law, and the direction of nations. But with the freeing of information everyone can come to consensus by way of shared meanings. The ideals themselves can lead, without human intervention.
You don't need a president or dictator to translate national goals into common speak. You do need militia commanders and judges to organize armies and enforce laws, but they can be lead by predefined ideals without a central authority holding all the gold and all the power. Our leadership would be the ones that speak for us, not to us.

Its something we should think about.
With the greed of corporations pushing the price of food and other resources to new highs, people will be ready to tear down the old system.
The question is if we'll have something new to replace it with.
 
2013-06-23 12:06:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.

How do you know what people think it is?

Oh, yeah.  You, like all "conservatives," know what people think even better than they do.


I knew that would be your reply.
 
2013-06-23 12:07:53 PM
Do not promise too much change too quickly. If you cannot deliver on your promises, a great segment of the populace will turn on you, even if you are considerably better than the previous institution.

Maintain an outward sense of continuity at all costs. Even after they killed his grand-uncle and later plotted to kill him, Augustus Caesar never disbanded the Senate.

If someone is particularly egregious in rejecting any clemency offered, or later double-crosses the new institution, the government must resist the urge to make an example. Allow public opinion to deliver their punishment unless they pose an imminent danger of a coup.
 
2013-06-23 12:11:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.

How do you know what people think it is?

Oh, yeah.  You, like all "conservatives," know what people think even better than they do.

I knew that would be your reply.


Will you do an AMA on Reddit? Or anything anywhere else?
 
2013-06-23 12:14:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lionel Mandrake: tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.

How do you know what people think it is?

Oh, yeah.  You, like all "conservatives," know what people think even better than they do.

I knew that would be your reply.


Of course you did.  Because: 1) I say it all the time about you and your ilk, and 2) You believe you do.
 
2013-06-23 12:15:57 PM
Never forget that you serve the people, not the other way around. You must be willing to make hard sacrifices. It is human to wish for a legacy that is revered for generations, but it is also egoism. You must be willing to make a sacrifice even greater than your life: the respect and admiration of your posterity. If Fate is willing, you need not make this sacrifice, but one must be willing to be hated if they are to be truly selfless.
 
2013-06-23 12:18:39 PM
Incongruous trolling statement sprinkled among advice.
 
2013-06-23 12:20:55 PM
If circumstances allow, reverse the standard structure of things: those with specialized knowledge of (but no personal investments in) a subject to chair their committees. Legal professionals serve as adjutants to translate plan into policy, not the primary source of legislation.
 
2013-06-23 12:30:30 PM

ObamaTheOmnipotent: Revving up for a revolt

[img.fark.net image 600x752]

Good for them


FTFA: "The Tea Party in the United States still operates within the system, but its base is full of fizz and is a political force."

so watch out before hover round guy chases you down and runs you over.
 
2013-06-23 12:31:08 PM
Boy, that long rambling article in the Daily Recap sure left me scratching my head, with no idea what could possibly be fueling these protests.

Oh, wait, this just in from the desk of Ric Romero:

media.economist.com
 
2013-06-23 12:34:42 PM
In a system of checks and balances, systemic change only occurs in response to an immediate and pressing crisis, and requires strong executive leadership. If crisis strikes when the chief executive office is hobbled by other circumstances, the government may fail.

Systemic change in the absence of pressing crises requires not only a strong chief executive office, but a strong chief executive officer.

However, a strong executive has the power to further expand its own powers, either de jure or de facto. Thus transparency is key. Transparency is fundamental. Intelligence services should possess a culture that all but requires them to disclose indiscretions and overreach by their own government, much as the German army is not only inclined, but in fact obligated, to disregard orders they deem unethical.
 
2013-06-23 12:34:54 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: All revolutions need a leader. But that leader, no matter how saintly, cannot be trusted with the government beyond the earliest transitionary phase. In the best revolutions, the leader designates a trusted and worthy successor with whom they have no ties of friendship or family, and preferably little or no two-way communication.

Get them in the same room, then spring the decision on them on live television to catch their surprise. Hint that refusal would leave a power vacuum in the fragile transition phase and let their sense of responsibility do the rest. If you've picked the right one for the job, the hint won't even be necessary; They would figure it out on their own.

And if you had an armed paramilitary, don't disband it; transform it into the new, disciplined police and security force. Allow all those from the previous incarnations of such agencies to join unless they have committed actual crimes.


omnibus_necanda_sunt: Remember that mercy is the most powerful tool the victor has in their possession. Pardon or even elevate those expecting imprisonment or death to create bonds of loyalty that even a childhood friendship cannot rival.

Do not interfere with civil services or bureaucracies unless a particular agency poses a genuine problem. Do not demonize existing special interest groups. Antagonize them only in private; they will thank you for it. Give them terms that are both powerful carrot and well-sharpened stick.


With malice toward none, with charity toward all.

/imagine how much better off the South might be had Lincoln been alive to guide its post-war transformation
 
2013-06-23 12:37:05 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: the German army


Allow me to clarify: the modern German army. We all know the reasons they have adopted their unusual standards of discipline.
 
2013-06-23 12:42:31 PM
The revolution in this country has already come and passed.

It was/is the Revolution of the Apathetic.

The powers that be have placated the populous in this country to remain seated and do nothing but, biatch, buy guns and ammo at over inflated prices and settle back on their over saturated with HFCs asses to watch some reality show they claim they hate.

As long as the cable stays on people will talk revolution but, when the call to arms is sounded they will politely decline as they just ordered a pizza and don't want miss elimination night on American Idol.

You saw how quickly a large swath of people reverted to "damn, dirty hippies" with the Occupy Movement.

The Revolution of the Apathetic was waged by our government and "We the People" lost. Most people don't know it yet, but the real problem is that most don't give enough of a damn to do anything about.
 
2013-06-23 12:46:10 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: In a system of checks and balances, systemic change only occurs in response to an immediate and pressing crisis, and requires strong executive leadership. If crisis strikes when the chief executive office is hobbled by other circumstances, the government may fail.

Systemic change in the absence of pressing crises requires not only a strong chief executive office, but a strong chief executive officer.

However, a strong executive has the power to further expand its own powers, either de jure or de facto. Thus transparency is key. Transparency is fundamental. Intelligence services should possess a culture that all but requires them to disclose indiscretions and overreach by their own government, much as the German army is not only inclined, but in fact obligated, to disregard orders they deem unethical.


This isn't unusual, though it's probably stricter than most.  In the US, you are expected to disobey unlawful orders, but that's a much different standard than unethical.  If you obey an unlawful order you can be punished
 
2013-06-23 12:46:49 PM
"Among the Brazilian youth, [unemployment] has reached 20 percent, including 52 percent in the Northeast region. "

Link

Toss in a strict new drug law that has a "faith based initiative" component that funnels government money and low-level possession busts in to the hands of Ned Flanders

Link

Now really, journalists, I did that with about five minutes of googling. Do you need 1500 words to say why this is happening?
 
2013-06-23 12:48:57 PM
Interesting... Good find, Subby
 
2013-06-23 12:49:20 PM

IamTomJoad: You saw how quickly a large swath of people reverted to "damn, dirty hippies" with the Occupy Movement.


Or how many Real Americans responded to the pepper spraying of peaceful protestors with "GOOD!!  They deserved it!!1!"
 
2013-06-23 12:54:03 PM
Honor the debts incurred during the transition. Do not force those who struggled so long to sacrifice their livelihood, even if they feel the sacrifice is necessary and worthwhile.

Structure the governing body in such a manner that the "Big Men" of every constituency must meet face to face, and foster friendship between them.

Though religion is best excluded from government, ritual and ceremony are not. Even if it seems corny (in fact, especially then; self-awareness is good, self-consciousness  and cynicism not). Such practices offer the social cohesiveness of shared tradition without the ingrained antagonisms of adopting a state religion.
 
2013-06-23 12:59:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: IamTomJoad: You saw how quickly a large swath of people reverted to "damn, dirty hippies" with the Occupy Movement.

Or how many Real Americans responded to the pepper spraying of peaceful protestors with "GOOD!!  They deserved it!!1!"


Spot on

We do propaganda in this country like no other.

As long as the lights stay on, the cable works and people are afraid to lose their job by missing work for a few week to storm the castle not a damn thing will change.

Gil Scot Heron was just a bit off.

The revolution most definatliy WAS televised. It just resulted in the people losing out
 
2013-06-23 01:01:11 PM

Curious: ObamaTheOmnipotent: Revving up for a revolt

[img.fark.net image 600x752]

Good for them

FTFA: "The Tea Party in the United States still operates within the system, but its base is full of fizz and is a political force."

so watch out before hover round guy chases you down and runs you over.


Good point.  I think I found their weakness though

img.fark.net


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 01:17:32 PM
Avoid patronage and clientelism at all costs. Resist the urge to shower supporters with gifts. Likewise resist the urge to shower former adversaries with gifts in a display of noblesse oblige. Invest in infrastructure, healthcare, science, and education--both in science and in the humanities.

Do not be afraid of the private sector; that's where those with the most expertise reside. If a purely private solution from proven and trustworthy firms cannot be found, charter a state-owned enterprise and staff it almost entirely with private employees (but use public personnel from the relevant agencies to staff the board of directors). Given the long-term focus of the chief shareholder (the state), and the disposition of the board, better business practices are all but guaranteed.
 
2013-06-23 01:20:58 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Avoid patronage and clientelism at all costs. Resist the urge to shower supporters with gifts. Likewise resist the urge to shower former adversaries with gifts in a display of noblesse oblige. Invest in infrastructure, healthcare, science, and education--both in science and in the humanities.

Do not be afraid of the private sector; that's where those with the most expertise reside. If a purely private solution from proven and trustworthy firms cannot be found, charter a state-owned enterprise and staff it almost entirely with private employees (but use public personnel from the relevant agencies to staff the board of directors). Given the long-term focus of the chief shareholder (the state), and the disposition of the board, better business practices are all but guaranteed.


However, for the love of God, keep the ability to create or interfere with these institutions as far away from people with regularly elected positions as possible. Appointees of such people should oversee this function.
 
2013-06-23 01:22:03 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.

"But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out


In or out?
 
2013-06-23 02:22:03 PM
It was the best of times,it was the worst of times....

media.npr.org

Imagine this on a global scale. It will be spectacular
 
2013-06-23 02:48:26 PM
Similar:

scifimafia.com
 
2013-06-23 02:51:47 PM
Eventually greed bites you in the ass. Sometimes you're lucky to live wealthy between the giant reset massacres.
 
2013-06-23 02:58:44 PM

Hobodeluxe: It was the best of times,it was the worst of times....

[media.npr.org image 850x637]

Imagine this on a global scale. It will be spectacular


More poor got killed than rich. What's spectacular about that?
 
2013-06-23 03:05:23 PM
Organization != leaders or parties; that only leads to a "meet the new boss" scenario. I'm increasingly convinced that the only form of organization that matters is small groups (5-25 individuals, an "affinity group") based around specific activities, organized into federations with others who are nearby in activity and/or geography (each group being a member of ~3-5 federations), and those federations organized with other federations, using a delegate system. We could have the entire continent organized in about four or five tiers.

So these 'effervescent' outbursts may be neat, but, because they are based on the idea of 'mass' rather than being organized, they won't go anywhere, or they will be hijacked by politicians.


omnibus_necanda_sunt
All revolutions need a leader. ... designates a trusted and worthy successor ... new, disciplined police and security force.

Congratulations, you have invented modern China.


UNC_Samurai
/imagine how much better off the South might be had Lincoln been alive to guide its post-war transformation

It was only after Lincoln died that the Radical Republicans were able to carry out their agenda. He probably would have implemented something like the Compromise of 1877, which was the beginning of the beginning of the effective re-enslavement of black people, but ten years earlier.

/I am not a civil war scholar


IamTomJoad
The revolution in this country has already come and passed.

It was/is the Revolution of the Apathetic.


So what are you doing to organize? Seattle, there's plenty going on.
 
2013-06-23 03:06:03 PM
That most of these uprisings and massive protests are far-right is really scaring me.  They're rioting against the freedom of others.
 
2013-06-23 03:06:05 PM

Hobodeluxe: It was the best of times,it was the worst of times....

[media.npr.org image 850x637]

Imagine this on a global scale. It will be spectacular


What part of "mercy is the victor's most powerful tool" did you not understand?
 
2013-06-23 03:09:04 PM

RanDomino: Congratulations, you have invented modern China.


Did you notice that the successor (only once; the return to democracy must happen within 90 days of a ceasefire) had to be completely unaware of the succession plan?
 
2013-06-23 03:16:13 PM
 
2013-06-23 03:18:27 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Revolution is not the song people think it is.


Seriously?  Since Lennon's views and opinions and ideas are all pretty well documented (he was a vocal sort of guy), please, oh! PLEASE tell us what your conversations with the dead man have revealed about his altered opinions in the afterlife.
/yeah, I know, leventylongtonnesofderp is an ass//can't help poking things like that with a stick
 
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