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(Daily Mail)   Spend $50,000 earning your liberal arts degree or buy this home made art diploma, which is just as useful   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 54
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2013-06-23 07:30:02 AM
diorama = diploma
same damn thing

your paying $300,000 for shiat
 
2013-06-23 07:39:34 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: diorama = diploma
same damn thing

your paying $300,000 for shiat


Or you could pay $7680 for 120 credits hours at Greendale Community.

Plus, TONS of dioramas.

Doubleplus, most degrees you can get at GCC are worth more than a limp wristed liberal arts degree. That's including a Doctorate in Ice Cream History.
 
2013-06-23 07:40:00 AM
Hockney, then aged 25, refused to write the essay required, saying he should be judged on his body of work throughout the course.

He should have thought of that before taking the degree. It's almost like he knew he was going to fail anyway, and thought it better to go out with a suitably artsy story than a bad degree.
 
2013-06-23 07:59:02 AM
ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.
 
2013-06-23 08:08:48 AM
I actually found the pic in the sidebar more interesting.

Wonder what compelled Paul McCartney to flex his muscles for the Polish crowd?

/better than dangling a baby
 
2013-06-23 08:09:20 AM

robohobo: Jon iz teh kewl: diorama = diploma
same damn thing

your paying $300,000 for shiat

Or you could pay $7680 for 120 credits hours at Greendale Community.

Plus, TONS of dioramas.

Doubleplus, most degrees you can get at GCC are worth more than a limp wristed liberal arts degree. That's including a Doctorate in Ice Cream History.


What is with this guy in the beginning frame of those 3 vids on this page?  (didn't watch)
http://www.greendalecommunitycollege.com/about/
 
2013-06-23 08:11:25 AM
The question is, how did a still living artist get so famous? How does that happen? With so many artists out there producing millions of pounds of work, how does any one manage to get their paintings sold with prices in the millions? I don't care how good of an artist you are, if you are still alive your work is no where near that valuable... Until you die, it's just another painting of fruit, or the landscape, or three wolves howling at a moon or whatever...

Jealous.
 
2013-06-23 08:38:38 AM
Lister: I went to art college.
Rimmer: You.
Lister: Yeah.
Rimmer: How did you get into art college?
Lister: The normal way you get into art college. The same old usual, boring, normal way you get in. Failed my exams and applied. They snapped me up.
 
2013-06-23 08:39:09 AM

Wolf892: The question is, how did a still living artist get so famous? How does that happen? With so many artists out there producing millions of pounds of work, how does any one manage to get their paintings sold with prices in the millions? I don't care how good of an artist you are, if you are still alive your work is no where near that valuable... Until you die, it's just another painting of fruit, or the landscape, or three wolves howling at a moon or whatever...

Jealous.


If you can somehow manage to fit a fourth wolf in the picture, BAM!!!  33% more profit!

You gotta move on this though!  Other people will see this...
 
2013-06-23 08:39:11 AM
That diploma looks like something my 10 year old would draw on his school notebook.

I hope it's a satirical comment on his art "education".
 
2013-06-23 08:44:23 AM
That art sucks.
 
2013-06-23 08:54:16 AM
Here is some "Art" that I whipped up. Won't someone please buy it for one million pounds. Please?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 09:03:01 AM

Wolf892: Here is some "Art" that I whipped up. Won't someone please buy it for one million pounds. Please?

[img.fark.net image 720x720]


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-23 09:05:21 AM
As an aside to the inevitabl,e would like to point out that -
#1- just because there are no freakin' jobs available is not the graduates fault ("blaming the victim" much?)
#2- An MS degree is worth about as much
#3- If you're the type that needs to assign blame, then blame the school.  They want the money, fark the students.  It's all about the money, for profit, private or public, it's the money.
#-4Do not get old - it doesn't matter WHAT degree you have.  A 28 year old nimrod in HR isn't going to hire you if you look over 40, period.
 
2013-06-23 09:06:28 AM
There was an article on WSJ a couple weeks ago talking about how colleges are trying to rebrand liberal arts degrees as useful in the workplace. One of the guys from Harvard trotted out the corporations want people who can think. A degree in philosophy shows that you aren't the normal worker line of reasoning they fed us in the 90s and I couldn't believe they were still beating that horse to death.
 
2013-06-23 09:09:06 AM
"Dammit, the guy with an engineering degree who learned math skills that are translatable into the workplace isn't cutting it. Get us someone who can bullshiat to our faces about why the project isn't done and who also constantly laments the fact that they have a degree in philosophy but has to work here."
 
2013-06-23 09:14:17 AM
They (and some Farkers here) sure showed him eh?
 
2013-06-23 09:15:34 AM

Wolf892: The question is, how did a still living artist get so famous? How does that happen? With so many artists out there producing millions of pounds of work, how does any one manage to get their paintings sold with prices in the millions? I don't care how good of an artist you are, if you are still alive your work is no where near that valuable... Until you die, it's just another painting of fruit, or the landscape, or three wolves howling at a moon or whatever...

Jealous.


The short answer is that Hockney was very talented when he was very young. What the article ignores was that he was already recognized as a professional artist while he was still a student so he didn't need his degree.

And don't let the fake childishness of his early work fool you; he had the goods. Check out the portraits he did in the 60s and 70s.
 
2013-06-23 10:25:41 AM
Can we get this straight for once?

 "liberal arts" !="humanities" and "liberal arts" !="art".
 
2013-06-23 10:33:28 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 10:38:15 AM

Marcintosh: As an aside to the inevitabl,e would like to point out that -
#1- just because there are no freakin' jobs available is not the graduates fault ("blaming the victim" much?)
#2- An MS degree is worth about as much
#3- If you're the type that needs to assign blame, then blame the school.  They want the money, fark the students.  It's all about the money, for profit, private or public, it's the money.
#-4Do not get old - it doesn't matter WHAT degree you have.  A 28 year old nimrod in HR isn't going to hire you if you look over 40, period.


I know you're just trolling, but I'll bite.

You're wrong.  On every single point, you're wrong.

/nana nana boo boo
 
2013-06-23 10:48:03 AM

ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.


Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.
 
2013-06-23 11:10:09 AM
Four of the seven liberal arts are sciences. "Liberal arts" does not mean fine arts or humanities.
 
2013-06-23 11:16:56 AM

MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.


but it helped me get to level 400 ono super mario world
 
2013-06-23 11:21:53 AM
I didn't spend a dime on my liberal arts degree. Tax payers picked up the entire tab for me.

/thanks guys!
 
2013-06-23 11:54:03 AM
I just don't get "art", looks like something scribbled by an 8yr old.
 
2013-06-23 11:59:06 AM

stuffy: I just don't get "art", looks like something scribbled by an 8yr old.


that's cause all the good art is made by infants (and men who look like rapists)
 
2013-06-23 12:05:05 PM

MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.


Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.
 
2013-06-23 12:31:17 PM

RockofAges: can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?


That's easy. It's when some plebeian asks you for an "extra-large" instead of a "Venti'.
 
2013-06-23 12:37:12 PM

WhippingBoy: RockofAges: can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

That's easy. It's when some plebeian asks you for an "extra-large" instead of a "Venti'.


Original AND accurate. I award you no points.
 
2013-06-23 12:38:25 PM
but isn't there a size BIGGER than venti.  which would traditionally make venti the large.  and grande medium like it SHOULD be>??
 
2013-06-23 12:39:49 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: but isn't there a size BIGGER than venti.  which would traditionally make venti the large.  and grande medium like it SHOULD be>??


The best part is that I've never purchased an item at Starbucks in my life, so you guys are actually more hipster than I am (or this perceived limp wristed latte slanger). Which is ironic from your perspective, but not mine.
 
2013-06-23 12:41:27 PM

RockofAges: MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.

Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.


How many pop/rock/hip hop stars can write a sheet of music?

How many times has George RR Martin or JK Rowling needed to give a damn about what to call a certain phrase or part of speech?

I'm willing to bet very, very few. They're too busy working at actually doing the job.
 
2013-06-23 12:42:48 PM

RockofAges: Jon iz teh kewl: but isn't there a size BIGGER than venti.  which would traditionally make venti the large.  and grande medium like it SHOULD be>??

The best part is that I've never purchased an item at Starbucks in my life, so you guys are actually more hipster than I am (or this perceived limp wristed latte slanger). Which is ironic from your perspective, but not mine.


it's like ready made on your wedding day
 
2013-06-23 12:49:54 PM

Pharmdawg: RockofAges: MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.

Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.

How many pop/rock/hip hop stars can write a sheet of music?

How many times has George RR Martin or JK Rowling needed to give a damn about what to call a certain phrase or part of speech?

I'm willing to bet very, very few. They're too busy working at actually doing the job.


The point ---------


You (way down here. Help! Help!)

I wasn't saying that I particularly think the ability to produce theory in the arts is more important than engineering ability, but rather to draw parallels of difficulty. He was bragging on and on about how "arts students can't do my work but I can do theirs" -- so I decided to provide an easy example of how his reasoning was flawed.

Also, GRRM and JKR are both formally educated people, who quite likely used "arts" components and theory within their instruction (journalism is a discipline that Farkers like the above often snark at, GRRM has two degrees there, and likely employs them).

I hold a BA and an M. Phil myself and have done okay by making my own writing ability work for me as a trade. The education was enormously helpful in developing my work and allowing new avenues of thought to open up to me. As a creative worker, this is invaluable. It also made me a much more rigorous analyst, and more willing to accept accurate criticism while debunking false claims.

I respect all education, technical and academic, though I wish academics would become more "in touch" with the "common folk like myself" and that the "professional trades" would pick up a bit more of a qualitative bent -- business as a discipline in particular has led to the understanding of capitalism as "de facto" and often extortionate and usurious relationships as "business as usual" which is ethically problematic.

TL:DR he was being an ass and worse, an incorrect ass and I felt his argument needed to be exposed as quite flimsy.
 
2013-06-23 12:50:18 PM

RockofAges: /typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.


lol

/typical liberal arts type.
//doesn't know shiat about shiat
 
2013-06-23 12:54:16 PM

umad: RockofAges: /typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.

lol

/typical liberal arts type.
//doesn't know shiat about shiat


/worked a real job his whole life
//you know, the kind outside of a cubicle / office
///worked plenty of different ones too
////blue collar workers make engineers rich
 
2013-06-23 12:54:19 PM

RockofAges: MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.

Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.




Don't forget about the fact that engeneers are more likely to be radicalized.
 
2013-06-23 01:00:10 PM

Marcintosh: #1- just because there are no freakin' jobs available is not the graduates fault ("blaming the victim" much?)


img.fark.net

People who get taxpayer-subsidized educations in a field that has no jobs are a step below fundies who don't get to have a Nativity scene in their courthouse on the Victimeter.
 
2013-06-23 01:02:28 PM

RockofAges: /worked a real job his whole life
//you know, the kind outside of a cubicle / office
///worked plenty of different ones too
////blue collar workers make engineers rich


Yeah, well your options are somewhat limited when you waste your time and money when you are in college. Boo hoo.

You don't even know what an engineer does, so you sure as hell don't know what "makes them rich". I'll bet you haven't taken a real math class in your entire life. Liberal arts are for people who want to feel smart without having to put in any of the work to actually get smart. Throw as many tantrums as you like. We will never respect you.
 
2013-06-23 01:15:54 PM

RockofAges: MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.

Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.


Hmm... Engineers are not in short supply? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304563104576363841086834 506.html  and http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/enginners-and-accountants-in - short-supply/story-e6frfm9r-1226584710709  seem to disagree.

We're worse than the technicians in the fields? Perhaps, if you're considering performing the kinds of work technicians usually do. A technician would be better at wiring a house than I would, or soldering a circuit board, or assembling a car. But if you turn the tables, do you really think a technician could design the circuity for a house, design a circuit board, or design a car?  You're looking at two interconnected, but separate, fields. You seem to be involved in music, so let me make a music analogy: Would you expect a producer or a singer to be more talented when it comes to singing? But which one is better at coordinating all the instruments, vocals, and sound effects?

I'll admit, I don't know what a gerund phrase is. But that's not my field, and that's not the point. RandomName's point is that his friend's liberal arts education taught them about liberal arts, and his engineering education taught him about engineering, but he became more educated than they did. They couldn't adapt to work with engineering problems, while he could adapt to work with liberal arts problems.

Though this is all probably falling on deaf ears. You've made up your mind to pretend that engineers are incompetent pricks, and there's nothing I can do to change your mind.

I'll leave you with this. I don't know what a gerund phrase is, but do you know how to design a PID controller?  And more importantly, give us both a day and come back to the same questions. My answer will change, will yours?
 
2013-06-23 02:39:46 PM

umad: RockofAges: /worked a real job his whole life
//you know, the kind outside of a cubicle / office
///worked plenty of different ones too
////blue collar workers make engineers rich

Yeah, well your options are somewhat limited when you waste your time and money when you are in college. Boo hoo.

You don't even know what an engineer does, so you sure as hell don't know what "makes them rich". I'll bet you haven't taken a real math class in your entire life. Liberal arts are for people who want to feel smart without having to put in any of the work to actually get smart. Throw as many tantrums as you like. We will never respect you.




If you actually believe this then you are either very young or just a colossal nitwit. And I am willing to bet my math and and other quantitative educational background is a lot better than yours, sunshine.

Engineers generally are moderately bright people, but in most ways are simpletons whose understanding of the world and how it works is very shallow. The funny thing is how few of them are aware of that fact.
 
2013-06-23 03:06:00 PM

Raptor Jesus: RockofAges: MyRandomName: ComicBookGuy: ITT: rednecks with self-esteem issues about those better educated than themselves.

Saying getting a liberal arts degree makes one better educated is funny. They were educated longer, but not better. Helped many a friend on their lvl 400 liberal arts classes. Not one helped on my lvl 400 engineering classes.

Interesting. I wonder how you would fare at musical theory and composition if handed a sheet, or, without looking it up, can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

(Waits for you to wiki it and pretend to have known beforehand.)

/typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.

Hmm... Engineers are not in short supply? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304563104576363841086834 506.html  and http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/enginners-and-accountants-in - short-supply/story-e6frfm9r-1226584710709  seem to disagree.

We're worse than the technicians in the fields? Perhaps, if you're considering performing the kinds of work technicians usually do. A technician would be better at wiring a house than I would, or soldering a circuit board, or assembling a car. But if you turn the tables, do you really think a technician could design the circuity for a house, design a circuit board, or design a car?  You're looking at two interconnected, but separate, fields. You seem to be involved in music, so let me make a music analogy: Would you expect a producer or a singer to be more talented when it comes to singing? But which one is better at coordinating all the instruments, vocals, and sound effects?

I'll admit, I don't know what a gerund phrase is. But that's not my field, and that's not the point. RandomName's point is that his friend's liberal arts education taught them about liberal arts, and his engineering education taught him about engineering, but he became more educated than they did. Th ...




PID controller, eh. A mathamatical solution to a philosophical problem. Cool.
 
2013-06-23 03:07:19 PM

RockofAges: WhippingBoy: RockofAges: can you tell me what a gerund phrase is?

That's easy. It's when some plebeian asks you for an "extra-large" instead of a "Venti'.

Original AND accurate. I award you no points.


On second thought I WILL have fried with that!
 
2013-06-23 03:07:44 PM

bronyaur1: I am willing to bet my math and and other quantitative educational background is a lot better than yours, sunshine.


Doubt it, but I wasn't talking to you anyway, sunshine, so STFU.
 
2013-06-23 04:11:29 PM
Well this thread turned into a playground shouting-match in a hurry.
 
2013-06-23 05:08:22 PM

BMFPitt: People who get taxpayer-subsidized educations in a field that has no jobs are a step below fundies who don't get to have a Nativity scene in their courthouse on the Victimeter.


So long as the state doesn't have requirements for what degrees get loan money, the state pays for degrees some people may think isn't in the public interest.

Do you expect 18 year olds to make sound financial decisions with sums that large?
 
2013-06-23 05:23:58 PM

ph0rk: So long as the state doesn't have requirements for what degrees get loan money, the state pays for degrees some people may think isn't in the public interest.


Which is why the state should be out of the loan business.

Do you expect 18 year olds to make sound financial decisions with sums that large?

Yes.
 
2013-06-23 06:23:14 PM

RockofAges: umad: RockofAges: /typical engineer. Superioristic and narcissistic.
//you're not in short supply, nor are you much better (often worse) than technicians in the same field at what you do.

lol

/typical liberal arts type.
//doesn't know shiat about shiat

/worked a real job his whole life
//you know, the kind outside of a cubicle / office
///worked plenty of different ones too
////blue collar workers make engineers rich


Wait, engineers are rich? Those over paid shop floor guys complaining about over time make a hell of a lot more than me...
 
2013-06-23 08:54:05 PM

Bildo: Marcintosh: As an aside to the inevitabl,e would like to point out that -
#1- just because there are no freakin' jobs available is not the graduates fault ("blaming the victim" much?)
#2- An MS degree is worth about as much
#3- If you're the type that needs to assign blame, then blame the school.  They want the money, fark the students.  It's all about the money, for profit, private or public, it's the money.
#-4Do not get old - it doesn't matter WHAT degree you have.  A 28 year old nimrod in HR isn't going to hire you if you look over 40, period.

I know you're just trolling, but I'll bite.

You're wrong.  On every single point, you're wrong.

/nana nana boo boo


Oh, well then, okay.
And your citations pave the way for my understanding of your point of view.
*sheesh*   Don't take up lawyering, you'll be poorer than an art school grad.

And no, i don't troll.  I just don't have your hive mindset.  So there's that . . .
 
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