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(Al Jazeera)   Snowden continues his tour of freedom loving countries   (aljazeera.com) divider line 454
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2013-06-23 06:12:53 AM
Good job US Government. You've gone so hard after him that the only logical place for him to go is a place we're most at odds with. And I'm sure they'll want to know everything he knows, and since the US government has been so hostile to him, he likely has lost any hesitation he might have had about giving up secret information to them.
 
2013-06-23 06:15:50 AM

justoneznot: a place we're most at odds with


PROTIP: The cold war ended a few years ago. Americans are only scared of commies at home. abroad, it's the scary brown men in turbans that are the new threat.
 
2013-06-23 06:16:26 AM

robohobo: So, Farkers, what's your balance? What are you willing to give up? How far are you willing to bend over in the name of 'security'?


0% security, 100% privacy.

Close all foreign bases and execute (after fair trials, of course) anybody who, while in the employ of the government or a contractor, violated any person's human rights in another country*, and the terrorism threat vanishes.

* - This would include a lot of the coverts ops guys from the CIA and almost all of the covert ops guys from the DoD.
 
2013-06-23 06:18:12 AM

justoneznot: Good job US Government. You've gone so hard after him that the only logical place for him to go is a place we're most at odds with. And I'm sure they'll want to know everything he knows, and since the US government has been so hostile to him, he likely has lost any hesitation he might have had about giving up secret information to them.


And the one place, that, if they really want the information, they still have the means handy to get it, if he DOES have any hesitation about giving it up.

I hear they've kept the Lubyanka oiled up and ready to go every day.
 
2013-06-23 06:18:28 AM

digistil: MurphyMurphy: digistil: Also, has anyone ever gone from patriot, to liar, to traitor as quickly as Snowden?

Anyone that ever tried to make a difference.

I would be extremely reluctant to declare he's trying to make a difference. He lied about PRISM to sex it up; gave the Chinese military US intel and outed US sources of intel within China.


I sorta stopped following it, so I missed that, and I can't google at the moment because I'm wearing a towel. What intel did he give to the Chinese military, and what sources of intel did he give up?
 
2013-06-23 06:19:39 AM
Even though Russia may not sound like the sort of place you want to cool your heels its actually probably the best place for Snowden to cool his heels.

Last I checked they dont have extradition treaty with US, also if the CIA was sent after him for embarassing the NSA he would have whatever the Ruskies call the post communism KGB to protect him, And the US isnt gonna invade Russia under some other pretense just to get him.

Learn to enjoy the Vodak and plenty of skinny women.
 
2013-06-23 06:23:16 AM

log_jammin: justoneznot: a place we're most at odds with

PROTIP: The cold war ended a few years ago. Americans are only scared of commies at home. abroad, it's the scary brown men in turbans that are the new threat.


Oh okay cool, I guess our Russian allies will just send him right back then.
 
2013-06-23 06:23:38 AM

log_jammin: justoneznot: a place we're most at odds with

PROTIP: The cold war ended a few years ago. Americans are only scared of commies at home. abroad, it's the scary brown men in turbans that are the new threat.


While the cold war is technically over, pootie-poot seems to be doing his best to get it started up again.
 
2013-06-23 06:25:01 AM
RT/ITASS has him going to Venezuela ultimately after stop in Cuba.
 
2013-06-23 06:27:09 AM
So how long before Maduro gives this guy's book to Obama?
 
2013-06-23 06:28:46 AM

justoneznot: Oh okay cool, I guess our Russian allies will just send him right back then.


that's it. double down.
 
2013-06-23 06:30:40 AM
The more I hear about this guy, the farther down my list he goes.
 
2013-06-23 06:31:20 AM

lokis_mentor: RT/ITASS has him going to Venezuela ultimately after stop in Cuba.


Ah, yes, Aeroflot does have direct flights from Moscow to Havana, and he's on an Aeroflot flight to Moscow. That would make very much sense.
 
2013-06-23 06:38:05 AM
http://www.flightradar24.com/AFL213

His flight in real time
 
2013-06-23 06:38:48 AM
http://www.flightradar24.com/AFL213
 
2013-06-23 06:43:06 AM
All this privacy fetish rubbish is certainly amusing.

If you leave your front door, walk down the street, get a taxi, so on and so forth, and this chain of events is recorded on CCTV tapes for playback-- it's simply not an invasion of your privacy.

If you communicate on an infrastructure that you neither built, own, nor maintain, then anything you transmit can likewise be stored -- and subject to the same analysis.

Expectations of privacy are very much in line with Rights.

You have the right to do whatever you can conceive and achieve solely through your own efforts. But, if someone is required or compelled or obligated to provide assistance, then that thing you wish to do is not a right. It is rather a *privilege*.

So you do have a right to privacy in a locked room that you actually own, with windows drawn and guests of your own choosing. But not on the telephone or interweb. For those sorts of communications, administrators and technicians and system owners must cooperate with you so that you can achieve what you wish to do. Again, it's a privilege that comes with paying a phone bill.
 
2013-06-23 06:45:18 AM
 This is the same as the youtube video incident with Benghazi, when El Presedene' took a 7 hour powder, and had to blame and have arrested the videographer.

 Snowden has not divulged anything that's not been known since before the 'patriot act' was commissioned.

B.O. just needs to make it look like he wasn't slacking off, still.
 
2013-06-23 06:47:52 AM

sendtodave: log_jammin: I don't know for sure if he lied or not. But I have a lot of faith in Al Franken, and he says this is a non issue and that's good enough for me. Is that a case of me looking for things to base my already predetermined conclusion on? Possibly. But I don't think that's the case.

Franken said, adding that "this is not about spying on the American people.

"I hope we follow Mr. Snowden to the ends of the earth to bring him to justice." -- Senator Lindsey Graham, member of House Committee on the Judiciary (97-02), current member on Senate Committee on Homeland Security.
"I think he's a traitor," "I think he has committed crimes," "I think it's one of the worst occasions in my memory of somebody with access to classified information doing enormous damage to the national security interests of the United States." -- Dick Cheney, former Vice President of the United States.
"What he did was an act of treason." -- Senator Dianne Feinstein, Chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, member of Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on Terrorist and Homeland Security.
"He's a traitor." -- John Boehner, Speaker of the House.
"I hope that he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." -- Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader
"I think that he should be prosecuted." -- Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader.
"I think he's a traitor. He has leaked classified information about intelligence gathering techniques that the United States government has been involved in which have been authorized and overseen by the US government. I don't know any other word to describe Mr. Snowden." -- John Cornyn, Senate Minority Whip.
"We're a nation of laws", so prosecute Edward Snowden for revealing possibly unconstitutional and illegal spying programs. -- John Thune, Senate Republican Conference Chair

I don't trust any of these people not to lie or act out of self interest.  But Al Franken? He's one of teh good guys!

/there are no good guys


Anyone who can garner that much bipartisan agreement must be doing something right.
 
2013-06-23 06:47:59 AM

Ball Peen Hammer Laxative: whether or not you consider him a true patriot or not, he'd better leave his rings at home


What you did there, I see it.

/Poor, poor Kraft
 
2013-06-23 06:48:06 AM

quatchi: Andromeda: quatchi: "Moscow will not be his final destination," it said, raising the possibility of Iceland or Ecuador as Snowden's final destination.

*dice rolling noise*

Out of the frying pan (or wok)...

Did anyone ever figure out why he didn't just go to Iceland or Ecuador to begin with?  If I was about to piss off the US government I'd at least make sure I was in the same hemisphere as the place I want to end up.

I'm thinking that he's thinking that the more publicity he attracts not just in the US but globally the larger his chances of survival increase and also that by doing it this way at the very least it keeps the story in heavy rotation in the notoriously fickle corporate media with it's "Squirrel? Where?!" cycles.

It's a story that he's basically given up all hope of a normal life for and it seems to be working so far

I could be wrong, obviously, this is all pure speculation and I'm half asleep and at cruising altitude.


Get off your phone and fly the plane!
 
2013-06-23 06:50:10 AM

mutterfark: So I guess we can safely say that Mr. Snowden has unlocked the Leroy Jenkins achievement?


That whole video was staged and scripted, you know.
 
2013-06-23 06:50:40 AM

mutterfark: So I guess we can safely say that Mr. Snowden has unlocked the Leroy Jenkins achievement?


Presumably, then, he has at least gotten chicken.
 
2013-06-23 06:57:40 AM

sendtodave: log_jammin: I don't know for sure if he lied or not. But I have a lot of faith in Al Franken, and he says this is a non issue and that's good enough for me. Is that a case of me looking for things to base my already predetermined conclusion on? Possibly. But I don't think that's the case.

"We're a nation of laws", so prosecute Edward Snowden for revealing possibly unconstitutional and illegal spying programs. -- John Thune, Senate Republican Conference Chair


So Thune admits that the spying was both unconstitutional and illegal? Great!


At this point it appears as though (a) billions of dollars are being spent to (b) listen in to everybody in the US of A (c) without probable cause or warrant (d) in order to support efforts to (e) deter a threat that has (e.1.) lower probability of harming you or me than (e.2.) the probability of being hurt by a drunk driver.

Maybe I'm confused here, but it seems that if drunk drivers are a greater direct and immediate threat to us on a daily basis than terrorists, there should be a proportional amount of funding and intrusion in order to prevent death by drunk rednecks in pickups.

The whole *** thing is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to keep you and me from going all revolutionary against the corporate oligarchy. That's the only reason I can think of that makes any sense. The sad thing is that it is now institutionalized into a bureaucracy involving government, military, and corporate sectors, so it is not going to go away. If anything, it is going to get bigger and bigger and more and more intrusive and controlling. (see Max Weber).

Ladies and gentlemen, we are flucked.
 
2013-06-23 06:59:29 AM
Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Tops Lost Twin:
redacted list of terms that mark the poster as a clueless loon

What are you bufoons trying to accomplish with this shiat? Are you going to crash the system? Tie up human resources with a decoy post that some analyst will evidently have to go read since it contains magic words? Prove the 31337 config of your seven proxies?
 
2013-06-23 07:00:01 AM
Two words, americans

Extraordinary Rendition

freedom loving? yeah, right
 
2013-06-23 07:02:08 AM

rabidarmadillo24: At this point he doesn't have many options when it comes to finding asylum. I imagine he plans on revealing how much of Russia's military and diplomatic traffic is being listened to, and possibly what encryptions are vulnerable. This will probably put a huge dent into our abilities to spy on Russia, much like it has probably affected it with China. I imagine he's telling everything that he knows as well as everything that he thinks he knows.

/I know I'm imagining a lot, based on lack of actual knowledge.



They gave out the flight number and destination.  I imagine they have more assets in Russian than in HK.  This guys days are numbered.
 
2013-06-23 07:11:02 AM

ZzeusS: They gave out the flight number and destination. I imagine they have more assets in Russian than in HK. This guys days are numbered.


I can't decide if I like America better as a free society with inescapable accountability or as a no-nonsense authoritarian anti-hero state.
 
2013-06-23 07:11:13 AM

tbhouston: Next stop Cuba


static.giantbomb.com
 
2013-06-23 07:13:01 AM

Slaxl: digistil: MurphyMurphy: digistil: Also, has anyone ever gone from patriot, to liar, to traitor as quickly as Snowden?

Anyone that ever tried to make a difference.

I would be extremely reluctant to declare he's trying to make a difference. He lied about PRISM to sex it up; gave the Chinese military US intel and outed US sources of intel within China.

I sorta stopped following it, so I missed that, and I can't google at the moment because I'm wearing a towel. What intel did he give to the Chinese military, and what sources of intel did he give up?


What, exactly, is stopping you from Googling in said towel?
 
2013-06-23 07:15:14 AM

Alphax: He embarrassed the NSA.. not too many safe places for him left.


The government's best move at this point is to let him go, and they know it. They don't get anything other than the visceral satisfaction of punishing him if they get him back here, and in return this stays in the news cycle, along with protests and maybe even rioting, indefinitely. If they just let him go to Iceland or wherever, they can wait a few weeks until the next major news maker and the American people will forget all about the NSA. It is conceivable that they overchaged him on purpose with espionage instead of just theft in order to provoke China into not extraditing him.
 
2013-06-23 07:19:29 AM
I hope they kill him.  He's not a hero, he's a narcissist with an overinflated sense of self-worth who has deluded himself into thinking he's done something good.  He hasn't.  He's just been giving away US intelligence secrets because he's too stupid to do anything else.

When he dies, and it will be soon, I hope it is painful.
 
2013-06-23 07:20:15 AM

Tommy Moo: The government's best move at this point is to let him go, and they know it.


not a chance. One way or another he ends up back in the states in front of a judge. I don't know when, but it will happen.
 
2013-06-23 07:21:43 AM
I bet Putin wants to personally shake his hand. And then torture him into giving away more secrets.
 
2013-06-23 07:26:34 AM
Here's the full plan if anyone wants it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CeiPJaHuoQ

It's the only place this hero will be safe.
 
2013-06-23 07:27:59 AM
The revelations about GCHQ and the Tempora Project yesterday radically outsize the revelations about Prism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-mastering-the-internet
 
2013-06-23 07:30:06 AM

Lsherm: I hope they kill him.  He's not a hero, he's a narcissist with an overinflated sense of self-worth who has deluded himself into thinking he's done something good.  He hasn't.  He's just been giving away US intelligence secrets because he's too stupid to do anything else.

When he dies, and it will be soon, I hope it is painful.


/eyeroll
 
2013-06-23 07:31:31 AM
In other news, turns out our treaties with the Chinese are worthless.
 
2013-06-23 07:34:30 AM

xkillyourfacex: In other news, turns out our treaties with the Chinese are worthless.



The US didn't actually file the paperwork.... Hong Kong did nothing wrong.
 
2013-06-23 07:34:41 AM

Lsherm: I hope they kill him.  He's not a hero, he's a narcissist with an overinflated sense of self-worth who has deluded himself into thinking he's done something good.  He hasn't.  He's just been giving away US intelligence secrets because he's too stupid to do anything else.

When he dies, and it will be soon, I hope it is painful.


I'm guessing you're a Republican and hate the government but waste no time in defending it when it violates the Constitution.

Looks at profile. Yup.
 
2013-06-23 07:34:55 AM
Now it's obvious that he's trying to get the Super Bowl ring back from Putin.

He's a brave soul.
 
2013-06-23 07:41:24 AM

maram500: Slaxl: digistil: MurphyMurphy: digistil: Also, has anyone ever gone from patriot, to liar, to traitor as quickly as Snowden?

Anyone that ever tried to make a difference.

I would be extremely reluctant to declare he's trying to make a difference. He lied about PRISM to sex it up; gave the Chinese military US intel and outed US sources of intel within China.

I sorta stopped following it, so I missed that, and I can't google at the moment because I'm wearing a towel. What intel did he give to the Chinese military, and what sources of intel did he give up?

What, exactly, is stopping you from Googling in said towel?


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 07:42:49 AM
Now what if...

*grabs tinfoil hat*

Snowden is actually a covert spy for the US Government, faked the whole NSA thing just to lull Russia into a false sense of security into trusting him, just so that he can infiltrate the Kremlin and steal back the Super Bowl rings that Putin stole a few years back?

Open your eyes sheeple!
 
2013-06-23 07:43:31 AM

maram500: Slaxl: digistil: MurphyMurphy: digistil: Also, has anyone ever gone from patriot, to liar, to traitor as quickly as Snowden?

Anyone that ever tried to make a difference.

I would be extremely reluctant to declare he's trying to make a difference. He lied about PRISM to sex it up; gave the Chinese military US intel and outed US sources of intel within China.

I sorta stopped following it, so I missed that, and I can't google at the moment because I'm wearing a towel. What intel did he give to the Chinese military, and what sources of intel did he give up?

What, exactly, is stopping you from Googling in said towel?


Laziness, and for some reason this came to mind.
 
2013-06-23 07:44:01 AM

denni04011: This is the same as the youtube video incident with Benghazi, when El Presedene' took a 7 hour powder, and had to blame and have arrested the videographer.


It's hard to take you seriously when you have to lie like that.
 
2013-06-23 07:45:25 AM

Mrtraveler01: Now what if...

*grabs tinfoil hat*

Snowden is actually a covert spy for the US Government, faked the whole NSA thing just to lull Russia into a false sense of security into trusting him, just so that he can infiltrate the Kremlin and steal back the Super Bowl rings that Putin stole a few years back?

Open your eyes sheeple!


The only way you would know that is...if you were in on the whole thing!
 
2013-06-23 07:46:20 AM

MurphyMurphy: Wherever he goes, Snowden's going to have to be very careful where he picks up his connecting flights.


He's stopping in Venezuela next so it looks like he's actually applying some logic to his travel plans.
 
2013-06-23 07:46:59 AM

log_jammin: Mrtraveler01: Now what if...

*grabs tinfoil hat*

Snowden is actually a covert spy for the US Government, faked the whole NSA thing just to lull Russia into a false sense of security into trusting him, just so that he can infiltrate the Kremlin and steal back the Super Bowl rings that Putin stole a few years back?

Open your eyes sheeple!

The only way you would know that is...if you were in on the whole thing!


Oops...I've said too much...
 
2013-06-23 07:47:00 AM

staplermofo: ZzeusS: They gave out the flight number and destination. I imagine they have more assets in Russian than in HK. This guys days are numbered.

I can't decide if I like America better as a free society with inescapable accountability or as a no-nonsense authoritarian anti-hero state.



Accountability via media spotlight.  Which is why we need this stuff occasionally.  Snowden could have planned his moves better, but I suppose he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.
 
2013-06-23 07:49:38 AM

WorldCitizen: Ah, yes, Aeroflot does have direct flights from Moscow to Havana,


And yet the only way to get to Havana from Miami or Key West is by charter plane.

Got to love our Cold War-era foreign policy!
 
2013-06-23 07:50:11 AM

Mrtraveler01: Now what if...

*grabs tinfoil hat*

Snowden is actually a covert spy for the US Government, faked the whole NSA thing just to lull Russia into a false sense of security into trusting him, just so that he can infiltrate the Kremlin and steal back the Super Bowl rings that Putin stole a few years back?

Open your eyes sheeple!


The only thing this is missing here is the one-armed man from arrested development pointing to the ring on his detached fake hand, looking Putin dead in the eye and saying, "and THAT'S why you don't steal a Super Bowl ring."

/end scene
 
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