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2013-06-23 08:47:19 AM
Hildreth could face up to ten years in prison for sexual exploitation of a minor charges.

If federal charges are filed, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Whoa, bit of a difference there.
 
2013-06-23 08:50:20 AM
I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....
 
2013-06-23 08:53:36 AM

Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.


Answer:check.torproject.org .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?
 
2013-06-23 08:54:08 AM
"The Iowa Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force says one of the most sickening of crimes has been committed."

I thought we where about to be dealing with some sort of rapist and murderer...  But he was just an overzealous downloader with poor taste.
 
2013-06-23 08:54:30 AM

Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....


Maybe you can run a little experiment and let us know how it turns out.
 
2013-06-23 08:57:05 AM
Well when you have networks like Second Life run by Linden Labs that provides sims for rape as entertainment often involving child avatars (and people under 18 years old), and when they repeatedly receive reports and do nothing about the problem and just let those users keep their accounts and their sims, you find that the network is designed to make a space for those kind of people to do P2P.

If you use a network like Second Life, it is best to report the incident to the real police.  They often have Silent Witness forms available online so you do not have to use your information.  Just make sure they get it.  Eventually the threads will tie together and then law enforcement may move....sadly a bit slowly....but...
 
2013-06-23 08:58:17 AM
And here's a question, what is the definition of child porn vs art? There are photos of a 10 year old Brook Shields completely nude all painted up to look like a hooker out there...and it's considered perfectly legal...
The whole thing boggles my mind. But then again, I have a normal, healthy brain...so I can't comprehend the appeal of this kinda thing for anyone.
 
2013-06-23 08:58:55 AM
i.imgur.com
Officers say he worked with children volunteering at a local church.
Investigators say Hildreth had 1.5 million images.



There's nothing creepy about this guy at all. No, nothing. Just an unusual hobby.
 
2013-06-23 08:59:08 AM

Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....


Honeypot websites.  The FBI also has teams sitting in chat rooms and forums looking for people who trade this garbage, on sites well known to be trading these pictures.  The guy had 1.5 million images on his computer - that's not really an innocent drive by download happening here - this guy was a serious collector and most likely trading with others to "complete his sets".
 
2013-06-23 09:01:50 AM

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 300x169]
Officers say he worked with children volunteering at a local church.
Investigators say Hildreth had 1.5 million images.


There's nothing creepy about this guy at all. No, nothing. Just an unusual hobby.


4chan just shut down
 
2013-06-23 09:04:49 AM

sharphead: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....

Honeypot websites.  The FBI also has teams sitting in chat rooms and forums looking for people who trade this garbage, on sites well known to be trading these pictures.  The guy had 1.5 million images on his computer - that's not really an innocent drive by download happening here - this guy was a serious collector and most likely trading with others to "complete his sets".


exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.
 
2013-06-23 09:07:32 AM
if you love that kid so much why don't you marry him/her
 
2013-06-23 09:13:49 AM

Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.


I'm sure a look at his bookmarks in his browser will be very interesting.  Also, the police have got to make sure they've got enough evidence to not only charge the guy but make it rock solid that there was intent to distribute - it's one thing to get the guy charged with possession, but another to also get him charged with distribution and making sure it sticks - courts generally view distribution as a more serious charge.  Wouldn't want this guy charged and case dismissed due to a technicality - courts are not as computer saavy as we are here on Fark - and it's the judge and jury that will be made up of people who don't understand "the innerwebs" like we do.  It's seriously a lot of work to bring one of these guys down - that's probably why it takes so long.
 
2013-06-23 09:21:00 AM

sharphead: Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

I'm sure a look at his bookmarks in his browser will be very interesting.  Also, the police have got to make sure they've got enough evidence to not only charge the guy but make it rock solid that there was intent to distribute - it's one thing to get the guy charged with possession, but another to also get him charged with distribution and making sure it sticks - courts generally view distribution as a more serious charge.  Wouldn't want this guy charged and case dismissed due to a technicality - courts are not as computer saavy as we are here on Fark - and it's the judge and jury that will be made up of people who don't understand "the innerwebs" like we do.  It's seriously a lot of work to bring one of these guys down - that's probably why it takes so long.


That must be it... The feds must want to do their best to ensure there's an iron clad case that they can explain in the simplest of layman's terms for a jury or judge.
 
2013-06-23 09:21:45 AM

Wolf892: sharphead: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....

Honeypot websites.  The FBI also has teams sitting in chat rooms and forums looking for people who trade this garbage, on sites well known to be trading these pictures.  The guy had 1.5 million images on his computer - that's not really an innocent drive by download happening here - this guy was a serious collector and most likely trading with others to "complete his sets".

exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.


Yep, and IIRC you're also required to contribute some never before seen images - the more wretched the better - to gain trust to get more images from others.

Sigh.  Freaking awful obviously but what pisses me off is that if someone has the urge to download this stuff, how do they fight it?  If you even admit the urge you're a pariah, even if you're desperately trying to find a way to get rid of it.
 
2013-06-23 09:21:59 AM

Wolf892: And here's a question, what is the definition of child porn vs art? There are photos of a 10 year old Brook Shields completely nude all painted up to look like a hooker out there...and it's considered perfectly legal...
The whole thing boggles my mind. But then again, I have a normal, healthy brain...so I can't comprehend the appeal of this kinda thing for anyone.


just a guess here.  but i think it has to do whether the audio from the videos contains screaming "STOP RAPING ME or ARRGH.  or IM GONNA KILL AND MURDER YOU KID"
 
2013-06-23 09:27:47 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wolf892: sharphead: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....

Honeypot websites.  The FBI also has teams sitting in chat rooms and forums looking for people who trade this garbage, on sites well known to be trading these pictures.  The guy had 1.5 million images on his computer - that's not really an innocent drive by download happening here - this guy was a serious collector and most likely trading with others to "complete his sets".

exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

Yep, and IIRC you're also required to contribute some never before seen images - the more wretched the better - to gain trust to get more images from others.

Sigh.  Freaking awful obviously but what pisses me off is that if someone has the urge to download this stuff, how do they fight it?  If you even adm ...


You can trust me

profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-06-23 09:30:45 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 09:32:07 AM
basically the primary reason we arrest sex offenders is to let the victims have time to find someone else to fark.  if this guy isn't farkin anyone what's the problem?
 
2013-06-23 09:32:48 AM
In the early days of the Internet there was a drawing of a stick figure with a skirt and two circles on its chest labeled 'teacher" and named kiddieporn.jpg. It was humorous.

Because of the perverts, you can't GIS that now.

Link to actual kiddie porn. NSFW
 
2013-06-23 09:34:02 AM

Wolf892: And here's a question, what is the definition of child porn vs art? There are photos of a 10 year old Brook Shields completely nude all painted up to look like a hooker out there...and it's considered perfectly legal...
The whole thing boggles my mind. But then again, I have a normal, healthy brain...so I can't comprehend the appeal of this kinda thing for anyone.


In theory the distinction between child art and child porn is the same as if you remove the word child.
 
2013-06-23 09:36:52 AM

Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....


It's probably like anything else on the internet... you start by lurking on semi-related but legal sites, waiting for someone to drop a subtle hint. You feel out the "waters" so to speak... that leads you down to more dubious sites... etc. etc.

That's how I ended up on Fark. I was doing research for my Gender/Minority Studies thesis, went down some dark paths, and then BAM! The next thing you know I'm on here... and just look at me now!
 
2013-06-23 09:39:44 AM

wambu: In the early days of the Internet there was a drawing of a stick figure with a skirt and two circles on its chest labeled 'teacher" and named kiddieporn.jpg. It was humorous.

Because of the perverts, you can't GIS that now.

Link to actual kiddie porn. NSFW


i clicked on it so i could gather "evidence"
 
2013-06-23 09:40:01 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wolf892: sharphead: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....

Honeypot websites.  The FBI also has teams sitting in chat rooms and forums looking for people who trade this garbage, on sites well known to be trading these pictures.  The guy had 1.5 million images on his computer - that's not really an innocent drive by download happening here - this guy was a serious collector and most likely trading with others to "complete his sets".

exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

Yep, and IIRC you're also required to contribute some never before seen images - the more wretched the better - to gain trust to get more images from others.

Sigh.  Freaking awful obviously but what pisses me off is that if someone has the urge to download this stuff, how do they fight it?  If you even adm ...


That's the subject of a good debate. If we can accept that gay people do not have a choice but are "born that way" and are "natural" and I'm in that camp, how can we then also say that people who are born being into kids have a choice? Wouldn't it also be natural? Doesn't history demonstrate that for most of human history we've been sleeping with and marrying kids and just recently we decided that it's bad?
If it's not their choice to be into kids, and every person has the right to having a healthy and happy sexual identity then how do these two issues meet in the middle in today's society?

Personally, I think we should do studies to see if pedophiles who have had access to child porn are more or less likely to commit acts of child abuse. If the studies demonstrated that they were less likely because the child porn gave them an outlet for their sexual desires then the next step might be the idea of creating "fake" child porn... Create images of children on a computer or like the Japanese lola anime that doesn't create real victims but gives these people an actual outlet for their kinks...

On the other hand, if it were to be proven that having access to child porn meant that they were more likely to commit child abuse then we'd have to keep up what we are doing and get any and all child porn off the streets whether it's the real stuff or just the photo-shopped stuff that must be floating around out there.

But it's a tricky subject that immediately turns rational thinking adults into mobs of angry, pitch fork waving villagers
 
2013-06-23 09:41:12 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep, and IIRC you're also required to contribute some never before seen images - the more wretched the better - to gain trust to get more images from others.


They might have changed the rules since you were involved...
 
2013-06-23 09:46:47 AM

Macular Degenerate: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.

Answer: .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?


A thoughtcrime with lurid photographical evidence, sure.
 
2013-06-23 09:47:49 AM
what if your only into kids when your on meth and then zero your hard drive when the meth wears off
 
2013-06-23 09:57:38 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: what if your only into kids when your on meth and then zero your hard drive when the meth wears off


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-23 09:58:07 AM

Nem Wan: Wolf892: And here's a question, what is the definition of child porn vs art? There are photos of a 10 year old Brook Shields completely nude all painted up to look like a hooker out there...and it's considered perfectly legal...
The whole thing boggles my mind. But then again, I have a normal, healthy brain...so I can't comprehend the appeal of this kinda thing for anyone.
In theory the distinction between child art and child porn is the same as if you remove the word child.


They have guidelines. There were a story many years back about a photographer that openly took pics of kids naked. He was a professional, artistic photographer. But he wasn't convicted because it was deemed that the pics weren't meant to cause arousal or show sexual situations. So pics of skinny dipping in a pool aren't in the same category as one with a focus on the genitalia.
Apparently for a while clothed kids in sexual situations were allowed. When I first starting surfing FARK back in '05 or so, they linked to a site that had a 12 year old in a bathing suit posing in different positions. I was really scared because I was new to FARK and didn't know what kind of site it was. If it wasn't for the comments I may never have come back to FARK. In the comments there was pretty much universal outrage.
And for the thought crime bunch. . . I consider it similar to abetting a crime. There is obviously a lot of people producing and sharing these images. Your support of that enterprise is shown through downloading and possessing them in an archive. It may also be probable cause. If I have a clean unused bong in my house. The police may rightly view it as cause to investigate for illegal drugs.
 
2013-06-23 10:12:32 AM

Macular Degenerate: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.

Answer: .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?


The article said there may be local victims and he worked at church with children. It also said he had over a million images. If there weren't pedophiles out there buying these images, there would surely be less child pornography being created. Supply and demand.
 
2013-06-23 10:29:36 AM

Macular Degenerate: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.

Answer:[check.torproject.org image 128x128] .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?


I think it moves from thought-crime to actual-crime when deliverable items, such as pictures and videos, are involved. If all you're doing is sitting around thinking about raping children and there's no material or digital evidence that you do, it's probably difficult to get in trouble for it. But once an actual picture or video is taken, distributed, downloaded, shared, uploaded, etc., there's an actual crime in play because there's an actual victim who was really subjected to sexual abuse. I think a somewhat useful, though incomplete, analogy would be buying or accepting stolen goods. You didn't actually steal the items, but your actions in obtaining them encourage the actual crimes to take place.
 
2013-06-23 10:33:22 AM
that's like saying regular porn encourages sex.  which it doesn't.  it's the opposite in most farkers
 
2013-06-23 10:40:58 AM
Oh come on, he was just thinking of the children.
 
2013-06-23 11:00:22 AM

Liinda: Macular Degenerate: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.

Answer: .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?

The article said there may be local victims and he worked at church with children. It also said he had over a million images. If there weren't pedophiles out there buying these images, there would surely be less child pornography being created. Supply and demand.


Isn't that the working theory behind the War on Drugs?

Also, I find it odd to the point of suspicious how CP seems to be an epidemic, but the FBI says that there is no such thing as a snuff film.
 
2013-06-23 11:05:45 AM
 
2013-06-23 12:27:50 PM
i204.photobucket.com
 
m00
2013-06-23 12:31:16 PM

Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.


That's absurd.

First, there are plenty of ways to be "anonymous enough" online. Second, there are countries that don't really care about this stuff. If you know where to look, you can find anything on the internet. For free.  This guy was probably caught because he was getting them off bittorrent, wasn't anonymous at all, and the FBI set up a sting where they seeded a dummy file and looked at who grabbed it. Same way RightHaven copyright trolls went after people who downloaded Hurt Locker.

In this dude's case, the fact he grabbed a file with a suspicious name was enough for a warrant. They got his computer, and lo-and-behold he was a collector.

What's outrageous is that he'll get more jail time than someone who  actually had sex with a child and filmed it.
 
2013-06-23 12:32:21 PM

m00: Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

That's absurd.

First, there are plenty of ways to be "anonymous enough" online. Second, there are countries that don't really care about this stuff. If you know where to look, you can find anything on the internet. For free.  This guy was probably caught because he was getting them off bittorrent, wasn't anonymous at all, and the FBI set up a sting where they seeded a dummy file and looked at who grabbed it. Same way RightHaven copyright trolls went after people who downloaded Hurt Locker.

In this dude's case, the fact he grabbed a file with a suspicious name was enough for a warrant. They got his computer, and lo-and-behold he was a collector.

What's outrageous is that he'll get more jail time than someone who  actually had sex with a child and filmed it.


well maybe he should have been behind 7 proxies
/got nothin
 
2013-06-23 12:33:30 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Snuff Film (NSFW)


That seems like it would burn
 
2013-06-23 12:35:25 PM

Podna: Jon iz teh kewl: Snuff Film (NSFW)

That seems like it would burn


that's why it's ILLEGAL.  say it with me DRUGS ARE BAD
 
2013-06-23 01:28:54 PM

Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place. I've always assumed that if you tried typing that kinda stuff into a search engine that there'd be an immediate trace on your computer and you'd end up with someone knocking on your door pretty quick. And as this NSA thing has proven, that might not be so far from the truth.
So, what do these guys do? How do they manage to get this stuff? Are there dedicated secret underground websites that they somehow luck into that they can download images and movies from?
It just boggles my mind. I'm afraid to even google something like "how are IED's made?" thinking I'd get a knock at the door....


Do I understand you want someone to post how to get away with trafficking this?
 
2013-06-23 01:30:54 PM

Macular Degenerate: It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime? Really?


Maul555: "The Iowa Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force says one of the most sickening of crimes has been committed."

I thought we where about to be dealing with some sort of rapist and murderer...  But he was just an overzealous downloader with poor taste.


m00: What's outrageous is that he'll get more jail time than someone who actually had sex with a child and filmed it.


Jon iz teh kewl: basically the primary reason we arrest sex offenders is to let the victims have time to find someone else to fark.  if this guy isn't farkin anyone what's the problem?


And we have found Fark's child porn enthusiast. I would avoid any type of communication with these guys.
 
2013-06-23 01:33:30 PM

m00: Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

That's absurd.

First, there are plenty of ways to be "anonymous enough" online. Second, there are countries that don't really care about this stuff. If you know where to look, you can find anything on the internet. For free.  This guy was probably caught because he was getting them off bittorrent, wasn't anonymous at all, and the FBI set up a sting where they seeded a dummy file and looked at who grabbed it. Same way RightHaven copyright trolls went after people who downloaded Hurt Locker.

In this dude's case, the fact he grabbed a file with a suspicious name was enough for a warrant. They got his computer, and lo-and-behold he was a collector.

What's outrageous is that he'll get more jail time than someone who  actually had sex with a child and filmed it.


The majority of child porn now is produced by minors with camera phones. Flickr and Tumblr is full of photos like this.

Remember, nudity is not a requirement for child porn, nor does nudity neccesarily make a photo child porn.
 
2013-06-23 01:34:29 PM
it's like a roulette of virgin pu$$y
 
2013-06-23 01:36:18 PM
I'd much prefer people download images and videos than molest children themselves. Glad they caught him anyway...who knew how far he was from finding some "live" entertainment.
 
2013-06-23 01:39:21 PM

kortex: I'd much prefer people download images and videos than molest children themselves. Glad they caught him anyway...who knew how far he was from finding some "live" entertainment.


So it is ok to you to sacrifice just a few children
 
2013-06-23 01:41:30 PM

Macular Degenerate: Wolf892: I've always wondered how these guys manage to get these images and movies on their computer in the first place.

Answer: .

It's true this is terrible stuff, but a life sentence for basically a thought-crime?  Really?


It's more than a thought crime, by downloading and probably uploading and sharing images of exploited children, he is creating demand for more children to be exploited.
 
2013-06-23 01:41:52 PM

The_Philosopher_King: Nem Wan: Wolf892: And here's a question, what is the definition of child porn vs art? There are photos of a 10 year old Brook Shields completely nude all painted up to look like a hooker out there...and it's considered perfectly legal...
The whole thing boggles my mind. But then again, I have a normal, healthy brain...so I can't comprehend the appeal of this kinda thing for anyone.
In theory the distinction between child art and child porn is the same as if you remove the word child.

They have guidelines. There were a story many years back about a photographer that openly took pics of kids naked. He was a professional, artistic photographer. But he wasn't convicted because it was deemed that the pics weren't meant to cause arousal or show sexual situations. So pics of skinny dipping in a pool aren't in the same category as one with a focus on the genitalia.
Apparently for a while clothed kids in sexual situations were allowed. When I first starting surfing FARK back in '05 or so, they linked to a site that had a 12 year old in a bathing suit posing in different positions. I was really scared because I was new to FARK and didn't know what kind of site it was. If it wasn't for the comments I may never have come back to FARK. In the comments there was pretty much universal outrage.
And for the thought crime bunch. . . I consider it similar to abetting a crime. There is obviously a lot of people producing and sharing these images. Your support of that enterprise is shown through downloading and possessing them in an archive. It may also be probable cause. If I have a clean unused bong in my house. The police may rightly view it as cause to investigate for illegal drugs.


You are thinking of David Hamilton.

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m00
2013-06-23 01:52:05 PM

Rabbitgod: It's more than a thought crime, by downloading and probably uploading and sharing images of exploited children, he is creating demand for more children to be exploited.


This line of reasoning always bugged me. Can you explain to me, in economics terms, how a person downloading something anonymously for free where the uploader doesn't even know who or how many downloaded... create demand?

Just talking about anonymous free downloaders here, not uploaders/producers.
 
2013-06-23 01:54:37 PM

HempHead: m00: Wolf892: exactly my point. How do they get away with it for so long? My only guess is that the people who create the videos and images must be carrying little black books of known buyers that they sell them or trade them with. Like an underground community. Just like everyone smart knows, there are no 13 year olds on the net willing to meet up with a 46 year old stranger for sex, there can't possibly be "safe" child porn sites that aren't fronts for the FBI. It just goes to prove that anyone with a sickness or addiction will come up with incredible means to fulfill their desires.

That's absurd.

First, there are plenty of ways to be "anonymous enough" online. Second, there are countries that don't really care about this stuff. If you know where to look, you can find anything on the internet. For free.  This guy was probably caught because he was getting them off bittorrent, wasn't anonymous at all, and the FBI set up a sting where they seeded a dummy file and looked at who grabbed it. Same way RightHaven copyright trolls went after people who downloaded Hurt Locker.

In this dude's case, the fact he grabbed a file with a suspicious name was enough for a warrant. They got his computer, and lo-and-behold he was a collector.

What's outrageous is that he'll get more jail time than someone who  actually had sex with a child and filmed it.

The majority of child porn now is produced by minors with camera phones. Flickr and Tumblr is full of photos like this.

Remember, nudity is not a requirement for child porn, nor does nudity neccesarily make a photo child porn.


And that crap scares me.  I can see downloading what I thought was a 25 year old and then finding out whoopsy, you're going to PMITA prison cuz it was 16.
 
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