Silly_Sot: Messiah Obama
Rwa2play: This from someone that sits comfortably in his ivory tower.
Corn_Fed: People who supported the Iraq invasion back in 2003 were clueless swine.
Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Seriously... all you back-seat pieces of shiat going on about what he should have done, and about how the support is there if you just look hard enough. Here is a bowl of c*cks, now eat it. You have no farking idea what the hell you are talking about, period. I don't care where you've been or who you are, STFU./Living a major medical hellride for the last 8 years//No, the support is NOT always there no matter how damn hard you look///People are not required to give a shiat, fine////I'm not required to listen to sanctimonious bullshiat like that without calling it what it is, either
Vangor: While I hope a foolhardy hope no other servicemen and women take their lives, and I recognize there is a concern for glorification of suicide, I hope there is a flood of these letters being shared. We need significant reforms to our care for our troops in all areas, in the field and back home, but especially in psychological health. We should have been making significant reforms back towards Vietnam when what was happening first truly emerged.
gnarr: STRYPERSWINE: bwilson27: Kurmudgeon: STRYPERSWINE: And now we're seeing his WMDs at work in Syria, as many suspected all along. Speaking of vindication.Funny that, I just favorited you in dark red as "damnable liar".Funny, I've got him favorited in dark red, too, as "Complete warmongering POS"wow that's totally mature. Nobody WANTS war. Well, Saddam did, but I mean none of US does. My point was that Saddam started this and he alone is to blame. And no, he did NOT fully and immediately comply. He stalled for weeks, moving stuff from one site to another. It was a joke.But don't let that stop you from coloring and name calling,What Saddam had was basically non-functional and outdated. It's well known that Saddam's stalling and refusal to play by Bush's rules was largely motivated by a fear of looking weak to Iran, Iraq's chief rival in the region and a country with a vested interest in Iraq due to its Shia population, among other things. Anyone with a basic understanding of the Arab concept of "saving face" will understand why Saddam was essentially between a "rock and a hard place" during this time. Chemical weapons were widely used during the Iran-Iraq war and was likely one of the few deterrents that Saddam had for dealing with the Iranian problem. His stockpiles had been severely, if not completely, reduced in the wake of the Gulf War and to admit so publicly would be a tremendous loss in power vis-à-vis Iran. Of course, the threat of a US invasion was equally problematic, but perhaps Saddam thought the US population and UN would be able to stave off such a significant military action. Saddam was a stubborn, proud little bastard and felt, perhaps through his own arrogance, it was better to stand up the US than weaken his position in the Middle East. I assure you, however, that at no time did his stockpile of WMDs pose a clear an immediate threat to the United States, despite what Bush/Cheney tried to sell to the world.Are you familia ...
shower_in_my_socks: bbfreak: Last I checked the Democrats and Republicans both authorized the war in Afghanistan and IraqA hell of a lot more Dems were against the Iraq war than republicans, including the Dem currently sitting in the farking White House, who made it a priority to end the war and finish the job of finding bin Laden instead -- you may have heard of him. I'm farking sick to death of this false moral equivalency. Both sides are opportunistic political bastards, yes, but most of the Dems who supported Iraq did so because the GOP created a climate of rage and fear that made being against Iraq political suicide for most of the people in Congress. Hell, Bush campaigned in 2000 on invading Iraq, and was gearing up to do so before 9/11 even happened. It was always about finishing the job his daddy never finished. And for that we got 4,000 dead Americans with zero WMD program dismantled, our reputation ruined by that embarrassing dog-and-pony show Powell presented to the UN, more al Qaeda in Iraq after we invaded than before, a whole section of Iraq essentially falling into Iranian hands, and a bunch of oil contracts handed over to the Chinese. Bravo. There's a whole new definition of stupidity reserved for people who still defend that war.
Giltric: Some people just aren't built for combat....or life, or hard choices, or can take being bullied etc.....
omeganuepsilon: Both Bushes picked their things, fairly obviously selfish things.
bunner: The problem isn't the Obama Messiah, or the Reagan Messiah, it's that we keep picking our messiahs out of cut out bins that have been thoroughly vetted by the people printing the money, guaranteeing that no matter who gets to sit in the chair for four years, none of their interests will be moved against. ...
STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.
Wookie_Jesus: sad,but if he really wanted to make a point he should have documented and reported the war crimes he was forced to participate in.this is the way that change is made. Obit manifestos with no proof ring hollow on the wrapped in stars and stripes "real merikuns".it is a shame that so many people like being lied to because it makes them feel safe and that anyone one, on either side, has to die for a pack of lies.the jokes on us, because we are so afraid of the other we forgot that we were supposed to be the good guy.$$$$$$$$$$$$
DeathByGeekSquad: I like how he references being abandoned by those who took the easy way out, and then takes the easy way out. I have no sympathy for anyone who takes their own life. I've known people who've succeeded, known folks who've failed. I've seen the support systems, experienced the support systems, and know that if you truly want help, there is always someone willing.
JungleBoogie: I have to wonder if this "ruling council" system is something societies evolve/devolve towards.
trappedspirit: FLMountainMan: Agent Smiths Laugh: It's only gonna get worse. The species is imploding.And yet the death rate is at an all-time low, as well as warfare, while standards of living are better than ever.All we have to fear is fear itself
BolshyGreatYarblocks: "During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of."Conspiracy deniers ('Tin foil hats! Hurr hurr derp!!") three steps forward, march.
bunner: JungleBoogie: I have to wonder if this "ruling council" system is something societies evolve/devolve towards.It all goes back to tribal aspects wherein a collection of those deemed to have the most wisdom and memory of tradition must test those who would aspire to lead. Just replace wisdom with money and the longest memory with the most effective public relations.
OgreMagi: sendtodave: OgreMagi: Fark Congress. Fark Obama (he is the commander in chief). And fark the military brass for allowing these inhumane actions to happeWhy does "Fark Obama" need clarification?Because some people seem to forget that when it comes down to it, the president is in charge of the military. He could, with a single command, put a stop to the abuse of our soldiers by "the system".
Giltric: I'd wager his talk of war crimes is just the hyperbole and rhetoric that the left usually spouts with no real documentation to back it up.
bwilson27: Give anyone power, and another with $$ and a need, and corruption will soon follow, from the lowliest tribe to the heads of nations.
machoprogrammer: omeganuepsilon: Both Bushes picked their things, fairly obviously selfish things.What? Bush Sr.'s Iraq war was pretty well justified. Hell, he even did the smart thing and got the fark out when the time was right.
bunner: bwilson27: Give anyone power, and another with $$ and a need, and corruption will soon follow, from the lowliest tribe to the heads of nations.So far. Makes makes we wonder why people are so afraid of admitting that, empirically, as a species, we couldn't run a dry cleaners, let alone a fair society.
yourmomlovestetris: What gets me is that there are ideologues who want to throw women into this combat meat grinder. And they'll succeed too, even if they have to lower the physical standards of what it takes to be a combat soldier.On the upside, once women start coming home from the war with blown off limbs, damaged souls and mangled faces, maybe then someone will be motivated to DO SOMETHING for our injured veterans...
ladyfortuna: Rwa2play: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why war hawks need to get sent into the center of the Grand Canyon and a nuclear bomb is detonated right where they're standing./Fark...Why would you ruin such an awesome natural feature of the earth by poisoning it with that?And I guess the nuke would be bad for it, too.
Cataholic: Cyno01: I know mental health diagnoses werent what they are now (but otoh neither was mental health care...), but how does this compare to soldiers returning from WWII? I know Iraq/Afghanistan deployment has been around 2 million soldiers total, and WWII was closer to 15, was there a comparable rate of suicide among those returning soldiers and its just never ever talked about at all? I know suicide was high among returning Vietnam Vets, but not like today where more soldiers have killed themselves than died in combat. What the hell has changed?My Uncle is pushing 90. While I sympathize with the soldier who wrote this letter, during the Battle of the Bulge my Uncle experienced 10x worse than anything any soldier sees today. He still wakes up in the middle of the night screaming. His buddies were no different. I just think this generation is much more fragile than his. In his time, people died at home, not in hospitals. Your meat didn't come in neatly wrapped plastic. People and horses were routinely killed by trains on public streets. Everything today is sterile and the unpleasantries of life are well hidden from view.
bwilson27: bunner: bwilson27: Give anyone power, and another with $$ and a need, and corruption will soon follow, from the lowliest tribe to the heads of nations.So far. Makes makes we wonder why people are so afraid of admitting that, empirically, as a species, we couldn't run a dry cleaners, let alone a fair society.There's the crux. There's the reason it continually perpetuates itself. The one with $$$ is usually the one screaming the loudest that everyone should be AFRAID. Ignorant and afraid.
BolshyGreatYarblocks: that would be cold comfort if time and fate led to your death, injury or mental damage in a 'lesser' war.
indy_kid: "Lastly, the DEA enters the picture again as they have now managed to create such a culture of fear in the medical community that doctors are too scared to even take the necessary steps to control the symptoms. "No shiat. My doc told me at last month's appt. that pharmacies might start refusing to fill my opiate meds out of fear of the DEA.The DEA: 40 years, untold billions of dollars wasted, untold lives ruined. Fark them to hell./5 spinal surgeries, diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondilitis, a chronic inflammation of the muscles of the spine. The muscles get inflamed and press or squeeze the nerves, leading to crippling pain. And it's a hard choice between the pain or the side-effects of opiate use.
limboslam: Hey, do any former insurgents or taliban or whatever suffer from ptsd?
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