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2013-06-23 01:36:11 AM

Cyno01: I know mental health diagnoses werent what they are now (but otoh neither was mental health care...), but how does this compare to soldiers returning from WWII? I know Iraq/Afghanistan deployment has been around 2 million soldiers total, and WWII was closer to 15, was there a comparable rate of suicide among those returning soldiers and its just never ever talked about at all? I know suicide was high among returning Vietnam Vets, but not like today where more soldiers have killed themselves than died in combat. What the hell has changed?


I spent 5 minutes in the med school building looking for a water fountain, so I'm qualified to give an opinion here...

I think that today the numbers are up for 3 reasons - better diagnostics, increased reporting, and air travel.

Air travel?  Yup.  WW2 and parts of Korea, when you finally got sent home you spent weeks on board a ship with thousands of guys who had just come from being thru the same hellish shiat you went thru.  Gave you time to calm down, decompress, talk about it some wtih people that were there.  But air travel, and now faster cheaper air travel, means that someone getting shot at this morning could be home in under 48 hours.  No time to decompress, no time to talk, just too quick of a transition.

I think combat zone vets should get the same healthcare package the congress critters and senators do.
 
2013-06-23 01:43:10 AM
So here's where I poke the sleeping giant:

I truly, truly think assisted suicide should be legalized, and perhaps funded.
 
2013-06-23 01:43:10 AM

SnipDaddyDad: Lucinda Matlock
by Edgar Lee Masters
I went to the dances at Chandlerville,
And played snap-out at Winchester.
One time we changed partners,
Driving home in the moonlight of middle June,
And then I found Davis.
We were married and lived together for seventy years,
Enjoying, working, raising the twelve children,
Eight of whom we lost
Ere I had reached the age of sixty.
I spun, I wove, I kept the house, I nursed the sick,
I made the garden, and for holiday
Rambled over the fields where sang the larks,
And by Spoon River gathering many a shell,
And many a flower and medicinal weed--
Shouting to the wooded hills, singing to the green valleys.
At ninety-six I had lived enough, that is all,
And passed to a sweet repose.
What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness,
Anger, discontent and drooping hopes?
Degenerate sons and daughters,
Life is too strong for you--
It takes life to love Life.


Oddly, I was just thinking of Spoon River, although I think given the prevailing feeling in this thread the following is more appropriate:

"Knowlt Hoheimer"

I was the first fruits of the Battle of Missionary Ridge
When I felt that bullet enter my heart
I wished I had staid at home and gone to jail
For stealing the hogs of Curl Trenary,
Instead of running away and joining the army.
Rather a thousand times the country jail
That to lie under this marble figure with wings,
And this granite pedestal
Bearing the words "Pro patria."
What do they mean, anyway?
 
2013-06-23 01:43:29 AM
Hans Blix is not a pedophile. Idiot boy is likely thinking of Scott Ritter. However, while he has been convicted of trying to seduce a minor, he'd only be considered a pedophile by the incorrect popular usage of the word. No fifteen year old is prepubescent. Obviously, he shouldn't have been chasing them, and he deserved the sentence he got. But that does not affect his credibility about Iraqi weapons.
 
2013-06-23 01:43:54 AM

bwilson27: STRYPERSWINE: whatshisname: STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.

You must be drunk

I just remember what happened.  It wasn't that long ago.

Fark you. Fark you right in the ass. Fark you. Fark you again, asswipe. Fark you.


you seem a bit upset there.
 
2013-06-23 01:47:56 AM

Slappajo: Corn_Fed:

I can't do anything for this man, or any of the others who will commit suicide in the days/weeks to come. It's already happened--their lives have been shattered because of the decision to go to war. These decisions have terrible consequences. Should we just ignore how it happened, especially when how it happene ...

No, but getting into a pissing contest about which party started this particular one isn't figuring out how it happened.  It's just one side trying to blame it on the other.

It goes far beyond political parties.  But that's what everyone of these threads devolve into.


Wrong wrong wrong. Facts are not meaningless. The Iraq War had a concrete, specific cause.

WWII? Who started it? Germany or America?

Who cares, right? I mean, both sides were equally bad, right?
 
2013-06-23 01:48:20 AM

OgreMagi: omeganuepsilon: We call it a democracy and we pretend to have two parties, but we really don't have either, not when you get down to it.

I've been saying that for years.  The people who run for president are hand picked.  I doubt the real movers and shakers in Washington even care which party wins the election. It's all the same to them.

Years ago I swore to never again vote for a republican or a democrat.  Since I don't see any difference between the two, it doesn't matter if "the other guy wins".  There is no other guy.


Pretty much.  Some people write it off as a conspiracy theory, but it's not really.  You don't need a man behind the curtain, the beast is self aware.   The movers and shakers, as it were, form a sort of AI between them.  Sure, the players change, but the game doesn't, not really.  A lot of perks, a lot of payoffs, a lot of favors traded.  That's how our government works now.

Frederick: whatshisname: omeganuepsilon: Personally, I think our government is beyond all repair. We call it a democracy and we pretend to have two parties, but we really don't have either, not when you get down to it. We have a side show three ring circus.

Western governments are just an extension of the stock exchange. It's institutionalized graft, but as long as most people have a 60" TV, they won't complain.

Apathy.  That explains about half the problem.  Ignorance accounts for the rest.  I can't imagine an agreeable to solution to the problem.


I wouldn't say 50/50.  There's room for a couple of sub categories:

A lot of people want to get involved but just can't.  Got to work, got to pay taxes. "They"(heh) have a bit of a strangle hold there.  When there is free time, we need our Angry Birds and WoW just to not go batshiat crazy, we need the stress relief.  Maybe it's apathy to an extent, but it's a natural human thing to need an out, need some time alone, some time to just forget, some time to let go and relax.  Some people have precious little of that.

A lot of people want to, but see that it's utterly futile, at least in the numbers of like minded people, a lone voice.  Sure, we find a few on the internet, but what can a few do?  Several years back, it was a feeling of impending disenfranchisement, now it has come to fruition.  We are practically impotent.
What can we do, especially if we think its going to take some kind of revolution to get any meaningful change done?  Will people so spoiled by a comfortable life make one iota of a sacrifice?

I'm sure a form of revolution will come in time, just not any time soon.  We'll all probably be dead and gone before people, by and large, are motivated enough to do something.  Our kids will learn eventually, that freedom isn't free, it will cost blood sweat and tears.  Always has, always will.
 
2013-06-23 01:48:32 AM

voodoomedic: So here's where I poke the sleeping giant:

I truly, truly think assisted suicide should be legalized, and perhaps funded.


I agree wholeheartedly, but i dont think PTSD is an acceptable reason for suicide compared to chronic terminal illness, i mean you cant manage pancreatic cancer with therapy,
 
2013-06-23 01:49:15 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: I like how he references being abandoned by those who took the easy way out, and then takes the easy way out.  I have no sympathy for anyone who takes their own life.  I've known people who've succeeded, known folks who've failed.  I've seen the support systems, experienced the support systems, and know that if you truly want help, there is always someone willing.


Protip: When they've made it that far, they could give fark-all about your help unless you're right there in the heat of it.
 
2013-06-23 01:50:29 AM

Cyno01: I know suicide was high among returning Vietnam Vets, but not like today where more soldiers have killed themselves than died in combat. What the hell has changed?


Combat itself got a lot less deadly.  You have to remember that there were many units that were effectively destroyed during WWII - 90% and up casualty rates.  Today, it's under 1% for comparable periods.

Body armor, helmets, IFAKS that contain tourniquets, extensive first aid training for EVERY soldier, extensive use of armored vehicles, etc...  It's HARD to kill a US Soldier.  The most common method today is the IED.  Soldiers aren't dying due to bleeding out anywhere near as often anymore.  They have effective protection systems from fragmentation. So they aren't dying.  However, they're not incredibly more protected against injury, especially TBI from the blast waves that don't kill them because they're wearing enough armor to prevent the fragments from killing them.  So an explosion that would have killed a WWII soldier was less fatal for Korean war ones, Vietnam brought even better survival rates as medical and protective tech increased, with a dramatic increase from Vietnam to the first gulf war, and we've only gotten better since.

But while those soldiers survive, they do not survive uninjured.  Traumatic Brain Injury is new.  And we're still wrapping our heads around it.

Another theory is actually related to transportation methods, along with the treatment when they got home.  WWII?  Most people got back via troop transport.  That's a month with their fellow soldiers, locked in a tin can, away from combat.  It's a period of time to decompress before reintegrating with civilian society, where they were hailed as heroes.  It's a uniquely American theory, of course.  You'd have to examine fighters who didn't get that decompression - British, for example.  Troop transports were still common for Korea, but by Vietnam they were coming back by plane, and coming back to derision and abuse.  That has to have had a bad effect.

401kman: The military has gotten better at training killers.  They shoot faster and more often by objectifying those that are their targets.


Have you ever seen WWII propaganda?  We haven't gotten that much better at objectifying.

/Some days I think we deliberately stay involved in conflicts in order to avoid losing the institutional knowledge in war/conflict we've built up ever so painfully ever since WWII.
 
2013-06-23 01:50:55 AM

FormlessOne: As a side note, Joint Base Lewis-McChord is in my relative neck of the woods, and I have heard enough over the years from friends & acquaintances to spend the rest of my days angry. In the last few years, JBLM comes up far too often when you look for war crimes and atrocities committed by our folks, and even with the little that comes out of there, it's appalling. His situation isn't news here. He was just a bit more eloquent in expressing himself.


Yeah. On the other side of things my roommate is a soldier at JBLM and my brother works at JBLM too. Though they're both Signal Corps so it's understandable that they went through less shiat. Though I know my brother has lost friends who became a casualty of the war. Thankfully he has been stateside since 2011,its nice not having to worry if that was his chopper that went down in Afghanistan.
 
2013-06-23 01:51:57 AM

JoanHaus: Tell you one thing: if you know ANYONE who is foolish enough to consider voluntarily signing up for military service, slap it the hell out of them. Disadvantaged kids on the streets who are choosing between gang life, and the military? Seriously, choose the gangs. You're dead, either way, but you've got better odds on the street. Make money, get out of the game while you can, move away.


One of the dumbest things I've read all day.
 
2013-06-23 01:53:11 AM

Corn_Fed: Slappajo: Corn_Fed:

I can't do anything for this man, or any of the others who will commit suicide in the days/weeks to come. It's already happened--their lives have been shattered because of the decision to go to war. These decisions have terrible consequences. Should we just ignore how it happened, especially when how it happene ...

No, but getting into a pissing contest about which party started this particular one isn't figuring out how it happened.  It's just one side trying to blame it on the other.

It goes far beyond political parties.  But that's what everyone of these threads devolve into.

Wrong wrong wrong. Facts are not meaningless. The Iraq War had a concrete, specific cause.

WWII? Who started it? Germany or America?

Who cares, right? I mean, both sides were equally bad, right?


So now two parties w/in the same country are the same as two countries going to war?  Got it.
 
2013-06-23 01:55:35 AM
Slappajo:
So now two parties w/in the same country are the same as two countries going to war?  Got it.

Whoooosh. I believe his point was that FACTS are relevant.
 
2013-06-23 01:55:54 AM

Cyno01: I know mental health diagnoses werent what they are now (but otoh neither was mental health care...), but how does this compare to soldiers returning from WWII? I know Iraq/Afghanistan deployment has been around 2 million soldiers total, and WWII was closer to 15, was there a comparable rate of suicide among those returning soldiers and its just never ever talked about at all? I know suicide was high among returning Vietnam Vets, but not like today where more soldiers have killed themselves than died in combat. What the hell has changed?


After WWII, we had a conscious goal about moving forward after fighting. This was where the GI bill came in, giving our soldiers to opportunity to go to school, get an education and skills necessary for a life beyond the military. This was why our economy was so good in the immediate years after WWII. After the Vietnam War, we were so desperate to move on that we scarcely gave any thought to the soldiers who served us.
 
2013-06-23 01:56:37 AM
And may all you flag waving yellow ribbon farg republicans eat shiat and die. YOU are the true enemy of this nation. Thanks for your oil wars, ya farking homos.
 
2013-06-23 01:57:03 AM

Corn_Fed: WWII? Who started it? Germany or America?


Germany, when they bombed Pearl Harbor. Are you implying that America was somehow responsible for Germany bombing Pearl Harbor?
 
2013-06-23 01:58:24 AM

omeganuepsilon: I'm sure a form of revolution will come in time, just not any time soon.  We'll all probably be dead and gone before people, by and large, are motivated enough to do something.  Our kids will learn eventually, that freedom isn't free, it will cost blood sweat and tears.  Always has, always will.


And it won't be the jingoistic bullshiat freedom that's pushed on Americans as if there were some unique quality of America that made its Freedom more valuable than the freedom experienced in other places around the world. It will be more akin to the freedom earned by the Founding Fathers who fought and died throwing off the shackles of the oppressive British government some 230 years ago.

Freedom Isn't Free isn't about killing and dying in some overseas desert. It's about being constantly vigilant against letting our freedoms get taken away. Right now, the person most exemplified by this is Edward Snowden.
 
2013-06-23 01:58:29 AM

Slappajo: Corn_Fed: Slappajo: Corn_Fed:

I can't do anything for this man, or any of the others who will commit suicide in the days/weeks to come. It's already happened--their lives have been shattered because of the decision to go to war. These decisions have terrible consequences. Should we just ignore how it happened, especially when how it happene ...

No, but getting into a pissing contest about which party started this particular one isn't figuring out how it happened.  It's just one side trying to blame it on the other.

It goes far beyond political parties.  But that's what everyone of these threads devolve into.

Wrong wrong wrong. Facts are not meaningless. The Iraq War had a concrete, specific cause.

WWII? Who started it? Germany or America?

Who cares, right? I mean, both sides were equally bad, right?

So now two parties w/in the same country are the same as two countries going to war?  Got it.


It wouldn't matter, if anyone had a shred of evidence that Democrats had clamored for war in Iraq, prior to Bush selling it upon imminent national doom.

Facts matter. History matters. My analogy absolutely stands.
 
2013-06-23 01:58:29 AM

JerkyMeat: And may all you flag waving yellow ribbon farg republicans eat shiat and die. YOU are the true enemy of this nation. Thanks for your oil wars, ya farking homos.


Undeniable TRUTH.
 
2013-06-23 01:59:00 AM

Bith Set Me Up: This was why our economy was so good in the immediate years after WWII.


I'd have to disagree with you there.  While educating our soldiers when they returned was a damn good thing, our economy was so strong because we were just about the only country in the world with an intact manufacturing infrastructure.  Europe had been bombed back to the 19th century and Asia hadn't even gotten started in becoming the manufacturing giant they are today.  So for the entire world, if you wanted something that wasn't hand made, you bought American.
 
2013-06-23 02:01:02 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Corn_Fed: WWII? Who started it? Germany or America?

Germany, when they bombed Pearl Harbor. Are you implying that America was somehow responsible for Germany bombing Pearl Harbor?


But Germany was justified, because we had dropped the atom bomb on Versailles.
 
2013-06-23 02:01:43 AM

decora: You need to let it go.


Hey, fark you.
 
2013-06-23 02:02:54 AM
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2013-06-23 02:04:36 AM

STRYPERSWINE: And now we're seeing his WMDs at work in Syria, as many suspected all along. Speaking of vindication.


Funny that, I just favorited you in dark red as "damnable liar".
IF there are WMD from Iraq in Syria, it's directly attributable to Dubya, Cheney and the NeoCon boy's actions.
Keep moving the goal posts, loser, the blood is forever on your hands until you repent and you don't strike me as the type to admit your errors.
 
2013-06-23 02:07:43 AM
I blame America's gun culture. Or, in my opinion, sub-culture.

"Guns are so cool!!" its adherents say. "If you think it's fun to shoot a deer or rabbit, think HOW MUCH FUNNER it would be to shoot an actual human enemy of our beloved 2nd Amendment!"


R.I.P., Daniel Somers. Thank you.
 
2013-06-23 02:09:53 AM

JerkyMeat: And may all you flag waving yellow ribbon farg republicans eat shiat and die. YOU are the true enemy of this nation. Thanks for your oil wars, ya farking homos.


Instead we have great liberal patriots such as yourself. When Obama lied to you about ending illegal wiretapping, stopping foreign wars, and everything else, what did you do? You voted for him again like the suckers you are, the suckers he knew you to be. And now you're hiding under your bed and p*ssing down your pant leg rather than standing up and calling him out for his crimes. Thanks again for Obama, you f*cking fools.
 
2013-06-23 02:09:59 AM

Kurmudgeon: STRYPERSWINE: And now we're seeing his WMDs at work in Syria, as many suspected all along. Speaking of vindication.

Funny that, I just favorited you in dark red as "damnable liar".


Funny, I've got him favorited in dark red, too, as "Complete warmongering POS"
 
2013-06-23 02:10:41 AM

WhoopAssWayne: JerkyMeat: And may all you flag waving yellow ribbon farg republicans eat shiat and die. YOU are the true enemy of this nation. Thanks for your oil wars, ya farking homos.

Instead we have great liberal patriots such as yourself. When Obama lied to you about ending illegal wiretapping, stopping foreign wars, and everything else, what did you do? You voted for him again like the suckers you are, the suckers he knew you to be. And now you're hiding under your bed and p*ssing down your pant leg rather than standing up and calling him out for his crimes. Thanks again for Obama, you f*cking fools.



Eat a dick.
 
2013-06-23 02:11:42 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I blame America's gun culture. Or, in my opinion, sub-culture.

"Guns are so cool!!" its adherents say. "If you think it's fun to shoot a deer or rabbit, think HOW MUCH FUNNER it would be to shoot an actual human enemy of our beloved 2nd Amendment!"


R.I.P., Daniel Somers. Thank you.


I blame women. They love a man in uniform.
 
2013-06-23 02:12:34 AM

Rwa2play: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why war hawks need to get sent into the center of the Grand Canyon and a nuclear bomb is detonated right where they're standing.

/Fark...


Yep, the USA should just sit back and let the rest of the world kill each other. After all, 1 American life is more valuable than 1,000 foreigners. You're farking disgusting.
 
2013-06-23 02:14:08 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Rwa2play: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why war hawks need to get sent into the center of the Grand Canyon and a nuclear bomb is detonated right where they're standing.

/Fark...

Yep, the USA should just sit back and let the rest of the world kill each other. After all, 1 American life is more valuable than 1,000 foreigners. You're farking disgusting.


You're right! We need to get in there first and kill those farking foreigners!
 
2013-06-23 02:14:31 AM
• There seems to be a link between concussions and depression. One example is Junior Seau.

• 400 missions as a turret gunner. This man was a soldier. People hooked on the adrenaline who come back to civilian life not infrequently suffer a "post-combat hangover."

Combine the two points above and you have a demon.

Then, give it issues on which it can focus and feed itself, and it becomes an entrenched demon.

Rest easy Daniel Somers, you fought hard and well. Hopefully, going forward, your eloquent and wrenching letter will bring more attention to the tragedy of the 22-a-day platoon.
 
2013-06-23 02:14:53 AM

the_rhino: He signed up for it, no sympathy. This isn't Vietnam, he wasn't drafted.

/just getting it out of the way


I was about to say Fark you, well played sir.
 
2013-06-23 02:14:59 AM

bwilson27: Eat a dick.


Spoken like a true liberal patriot. Sitting on his ass, casting blame on others, terrified of criticism, a simple-minded dumbass.
 
2013-06-23 02:15:19 AM

bwilson27: You're right! We need to get in there first and kill those farking foreigners!


When has the USA ever gone to a peaceful country and started a war?
 
2013-06-23 02:16:18 AM

WhoopAssWayne: bwilson27: Eat a dick.

Spoken like a true liberal patriot. Sitting on his ass, casting blame on others, terrified of criticism, a simple-minded dumbass.


Spoken like a true American Brave Hero with a gun in his lap and a dick in his mouth.
 
2013-06-23 02:17:14 AM

Popcorn Johnny: bwilson27: You're right! We need to get in there first and kill those farking foreigners!

When has the USA ever gone to a peaceful country and started a war?


You want to defend your bullshiat in a thread about a man who killed himself because of the kind of shiat you spew? Really?
 
2013-06-23 02:17:43 AM

STRYPERSWINE: whatshisname: STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.

You must be drunk

I just remember what happened.  It wasn't that long ago.


I remember what happened. Bush threatened to invade if Saddam didn't flee the country. I don't recall Saddam hitting US targets before the US sent in the Humvees and crossed the borders.
 
2013-06-23 02:18:13 AM

OgreMagi: Bith Set Me Up: This was why our economy was so good in the immediate years after WWII.

I'd have to disagree with you there.  While educating our soldiers when they returned was a damn good thing, our economy was so strong because we were just about the only country in the world with an intact manufacturing infrastructure.  Europe had been bombed back to the 19th century and Asia hadn't even gotten started in becoming the manufacturing giant they are today.  So for the entire world, if you wanted something that wasn't hand made, you bought American.


And a massive portion of our labor force was killed in the war without harming our infrastructure, so we were able to take in a massive influx of fresh immigrants from Europe and offer them all decent factory jobs. We didn't have soldiers coming back from the war to an economy that had more available labor than available jobs.
 
2013-06-23 02:18:19 AM

Popcorn Johnny: bwilson27: You're right! We need to get in there first and kill those farking foreigners!

When has the USA ever gone to a peaceful country and started a war?


From who's point of view?  The Americans or the foreigners?
 
2013-06-23 02:19:13 AM

bwilson27: You want to defend your bullshiat in a thread about a man who killed himself because of the kind of shiat you spew? Really?


What?
 
2013-06-23 02:19:21 AM

JungleBoogie: • There seems to be a link between concussions and depression. One example is Junior Seau.

• 400 missions as a turret gunner. This man was a soldier. People hooked on the adrenaline who come back to civilian life not infrequently suffer a "post-combat hangover."

Combine the two points above and you have a demon.

Then, give it issues on which it can focus and feed itself, and it becomes an entrenched demon.

Rest easy Daniel Somers, you fought hard and well. Hopefully, going forward, your eloquent and wrenching letter will bring more attention to the tragedy of the 22-a-day platoon.


There seems to be a link between concussions and insanity too. Chris Benoit, for example.
 
2013-06-23 02:19:33 AM
Guys, this isn't cross-posted in the politics tab.
 
2013-06-23 02:20:20 AM

Popcorn Johnny: bwilson27: You want to defend your bullshiat in a thread about a man who killed himself because of the kind of shiat you spew? Really?

What?


That's what I thought.
 
2013-06-23 02:20:43 AM

bwilson27: Kurmudgeon: STRYPERSWINE: And now we're seeing his WMDs at work in Syria, as many suspected all along. Speaking of vindication.

Funny that, I just favorited you in dark red as "damnable liar".

Funny, I've got him favorited in dark red, too, as "Complete warmongering POS"


wow that's totally mature.  Nobody WANTS war.  Well, Saddam did, but I mean none of US does.  My point was that Saddam started this and he alone is to blame.  And no, he did NOT fully and immediately comply. He stalled for weeks, moving stuff from one site to another.  It was a joke.

But don't let that stop you from coloring and name calling,
 
2013-06-23 02:21:59 AM

bwilson27: Spoken like a true American Brave Hero with a gun in his lap and a dick in his mouth.


Spoken like a typical liberal who likes Obama to pump his ass every 4 years. Does he at least give you a kiss first? It's traditional in some countries, not sure about Kenya.
 
2013-06-23 02:22:00 AM

bwilson27: That's what I thought.


You didn't think about much, including reading the Boobies in the thread.
 
2013-06-23 02:23:40 AM

STRYPERSWINE: bwilson27: Kurmudgeon: STRYPERSWINE: And now we're seeing his WMDs at work in Syria, as many suspected all along. Speaking of vindication.

Funny that, I just favorited you in dark red as "damnable liar".

Funny, I've got him favorited in dark red, too, as "Complete warmongering POS"

wow that's totally mature.  Nobody WANTS war.  Well, Saddam did, but I mean none of US does.  My point was that Saddam started this and he alone is to blame.  And no, he did NOT fully and immediately comply. He stalled for weeks, moving stuff from one site to another.  It was a joke.

But don't let that stop you from coloring and name calling,


Um, the coloring and name calling was a result of the CRAP the YOU type. Nothing else. 
But you're right... I should just change your description to just regular TROLL.
 
2013-06-23 02:24:42 AM

WhoopAssWayne: bwilson27: Spoken like a true American Brave Hero with a gun in his lap and a dick in his mouth.

Spoken like a typical liberal who likes Obama to pump his ass every 4 years. Does he at least give you a kiss first? It's traditional in some countries, not sure about Kenya.


PLONK.
 
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