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2013-06-22 10:55:09 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why war hawks need to get sent into the center of the Grand Canyon and a nuclear bomb is detonated right where they're standing.

/Fark...
 
2013-06-22 10:59:40 PM
You must not blame yourself. The simple truth is this: During my first deployment, I was made to participate in things, the enormity of which is hard to describe. War crimes, crimes against humanity. Though I did not participate willingly, and made what I thought was my best effort to stop these events, there are some things that a person simply can not come back from. I take some pride in that, actually, as to move on in life after being part of such a thing would be the mark of a sociopath in my mind. These things go far beyond what most are even aware of.


To force me to do these things and then participate in the ensuing coverup is more than any government has the right to demand. Then, the same government has turned around and abandoned me. They offer no help, and actively block the pursuit of gaining outside help via their corrupt agents at the DEA.
Any blame rests with them.


I've been trying to get through to people about this shiat for some time now but no one wants to listen. I'm certainly not alone.

In fact, I think just a week ago I got lambasted by for pointing out I know men that have gone through this very thing and carry tortured souls because of it.

Look this HARD IN THE FARKING FACE. This is what the stars and stripes will be known for by future generations if we can't learn to be honest with ourselves and face the realities we are causing across the world while we silently lie to ourselves.

/I feel sorry for this man
//I feel partly responsible too, we all should
 
2013-06-22 11:01:52 PM
Jesus.
 
2013-06-23 12:12:26 AM
fark. farking terrible.
 
2013-06-23 12:17:46 AM
He signed up for it, no sympathy. This isn't Vietnam, he wasn't drafted.

/just getting it out of the way
 
2013-06-23 12:22:23 AM
I chose to serve. But I didn't want the mental anguish accociated with me having to shoot another person. I chose the easy road and got luck that I was on a biatch plane that didn't bring death. Just laughs
 
2013-06-23 12:23:04 AM
Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.
 
2013-06-23 12:23:49 AM
Hmmm.  Well.  shiat.

I know I am hoping against inevitability but I really hope that the usual trolls leave this one alone.
 
2013-06-23 12:24:02 AM
Just think, the same, right wing, Christian military mindset that put him in this situation, says suicide is a sin.

Can't win for losing.
 
2013-06-23 12:24:38 AM
Annnnnd too late.
 
2013-06-23 12:24:41 AM
Everyone has their breaking point whether it's military or not.

Be kind to people you don't know; he or she may be this guy and you may just be the trigger that gives them hope or helps them decide to leave.
 
2013-06-23 12:25:46 AM
It's only gonna get worse. The species is imploding.
 
2013-06-23 12:25:53 AM
It's a shame he didn't have the courage to be a whistleblower and attempt to redress his wrongs by telling everyone about them and trying to ensure they did not recur.
 
2013-06-23 12:27:22 AM
My cousin signed up for the Army at the last possible age they will take you. Left a huge salary on the table and his wife and infant daughter. Ended up in OCS, got his butter bars (2nd Lt) and sent to Afghanistan then later Iraq. Multiple tours. He was not Infantry but some kind of logistics with trucking. No one knows what happened - he's not talking - but his convoy got hit with an IED and he ended up with a bronze star and purple heart. We know no details as he no longer communicates with any of us or his wife and kid. Something is bad wrong, and stories like this, they just hit home.
 
2013-06-23 12:28:12 AM
diagnosed with traumatic brain injury

TBI is awful. It can change everything for everyone, victim, family and caretakers too. It can make the victim a completely different personality.
 
2013-06-23 12:28:18 AM
fark the political statements and commentary.  fark the left and the right views.  fark the trolls


This is a man that has found himself without an answer to the horrors hes haunted by and it is truly heartbreaking.
 
2013-06-23 12:28:24 AM
sad,
but if he really wanted to make a point he should have documented and reported the war crimes he was forced to participate in.
this is the way that change is made. Obit manifestos with no proof ring hollow on the wrapped in stars and stripes "real merikuns".
it is a shame that so many people like being lied to because it makes them feel safe and that anyone one, on either side, has to die for a pack of lies.
the jokes on us, because we are so afraid of the other we forgot that we were supposed to be the good guy.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2013-06-23 12:29:20 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: It's only gonna get worse. The species is imploding.


And yet the death rate is at an all-time low, as well as warfare, while standards of living are better than ever.
 
2013-06-23 12:30:05 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.


You must be drunk
 
2013-06-23 12:30:37 AM

deffuse: Annnnnd too late.


It's not a total loss, the people who are going to be jackasses that bad in this thread pretty much mark themselves for the ignore lists(or favorite with a note) of anyone who has any sort of moral standard. They out themselves, and we're all better off.
 
2013-06-23 12:30:58 AM
Damn. When you're feeling that messed up...
 
2013-06-23 12:31:04 AM
I'm dealing with PTSD myself. I know exactly what he means with the medications, and the docs won't listen to you anyway when you tell them what's wrong because they're in the pharmaceutical companies' pockets.

I'm sorry he couldn't find a way out, and I'm sorry the his country wouldn't help in. I finally got light at the end of my tunnel, but it's been a damn dark 7 years to get here.
 
2013-06-23 12:31:42 AM
So what are these war crimes we're perpetuating and systematically covering up? Would have been nice of you wrote that one down in detail, sergeant suicide.
 
2013-06-23 12:31:46 AM
When he mentioned Bush and Cheney, it really struck a chord. How unbelievably ignorant and stupid are we training our children to be that they willingly sign up for military service after it has become crystal clear that the war in Iraq was not fought in defense of this country but for reasons that, if uttered, come off sounding like the ravings of a schizophrenic lunatic, and yet are completely true?

I've said it before. Anyone who signed up after the 9/11 attacks can be forgiven, even commended, for their patriotism. But anyone who signed up after it became clear Bush intended to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attacks and posed no credible threat to America was a dupe or an idiot.

This man was 30. If he joined up at 18, that puts him in the former group. What a waste.

Don't talk to me about your patriotism or your goddamned "greater sense of duty than I'll ever know". fark you. fark you and every person who supports the policies and actions of a government that has proven itself over the past 12 years to be the enemy of its citizens.
 
2013-06-23 12:32:14 AM

Wookie_Jesus: sad, but if he really wanted to make a point he should have documented and reported the war crimes he was forced to participate in.


That's what Pat Tillman would do.
 
2013-06-23 12:32:14 AM

Agent Smiths Laugh: It's only gonna get worse. The species is imploding.


Yeah, like it has for the last 10000 years, and it will for the next 10000. But don't worry, evolution is still happening, one day you'll get your wish, there won't actually be any humans anymore.
 
2013-06-23 12:32:36 AM
The military, and therefore this administration, is farking over our soldiers by not providing them with the care the need and have EARNED.  They are going so far as to kick out soldiers who did their duty under the worse conditions.  Kicking them out with "less than honorable" discharges over the pettiest of shiat so they are not eligible for VA benefits that are absolutely essential for them to ever hope to resume a normal life.

It's bad enough to send them into combat zones far beyond what should be expected of any person.  But to throw them away when they are no longer useful is treating with a contempt that sickens me.  We treat stray dogs better than this.

Fark Congress.  Fark Obama (he is the commander in chief).  And fark the military brass for allowing these inhumane actions to happen.
 
2013-06-23 12:32:38 AM

whatshisname: STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.

You must be drunk


I just remember what happened.  It wasn't that long ago.
 
2013-06-23 12:34:00 AM
While I hope a foolhardy hope no other servicemen and women take their lives, and I recognize there is a concern for glorification of suicide, I hope there is a flood of these letters being shared. We need significant reforms to our care for our troops in all areas, in the field and back home, but especially in psychological health. We should have been making significant reforms back towards Vietnam when what was happening first truly emerged.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:25 AM
The military has gotten better at training killers.  They shoot faster and more often by objectifying those that are their targets.  But they have been thrown in low intensity wars in urban areas...not battlefields.  So unfortunately for those that live in urban areas the US has loosed a bunch of people trained to shoot first and ask questions latter.  Which creates just tons of "collateral damage" destroying families and lives in Iraq or Afghanistan.  AND unfortunately for the soldiers many times they are thrown into situations where they shoot and kill those that they would/should normally never target.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:38 AM
I understand the pain, the anger, the depression and the desire for release. I think about how wonderful it would be to not exist anymore. I also think/hope that someday it will get better and when I'm on my Harley cruising down the road...it is. I am sorry brother that you couldn't see a way out.


"As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular." - Oscar Wilde
 
2013-06-23 12:35:40 AM

Wookie_Jesus: but if he really wanted to make a point he should have documented and reported the war crimes he was forced to participate in.
this is the way that change is made.


Kinda hard to be rational when you've been driven farking nuts by the insane shiat you've done and the injuries you've sustained.

Also, a manifesto wouldn't do much more good, because, obviously, anyone with a smidge of cleverness will write off the worst of it as the ramblings of a lunatic.

Change is made more by the sane and compassionate that have to be listened to, that still have the mental capacity and the endurance to attempt it.  You cannot rationally hold a broken man accountable in such a manner.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:48 AM

Godscrack: Just think, the same, right wing, Christian military mindset that put him in this situation, says suicide is a sin.

Can't win for losing.


BTW, that "Annnd too late" wasn't aimed at you.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:52 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.


I remember quite clearly the lies that were told to the United Nations and the unilateral action Bush took when he didn't get the support he wanted.  The war on Iraq was preceded by the largest global protest in history, and completely ignored.  It was a horrible evil that has forever destroyed the reputation of our country.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:52 AM

OgreMagi: Kicking them out with "less than honorable" discharges over the pettiest of shiat so they are not eligible for VA benefits that are absolutely essential for them to ever hope to resume a normal life.


That is some low shiat right there.
 
2013-06-23 12:37:17 AM
Tell you one thing: if you know ANYONE who is foolish enough to consider voluntarily signing up for military service, slap it the hell out of them. Disadvantaged kids on the streets who are choosing between gang life, and the military? Seriously, choose the gangs. You're dead, either way, but you've got better odds on the street. Make money, get out of the game while you can, move away.
 
2013-06-23 12:37:17 AM
Man, that sucks. I don't really know what to say. On the one hand we're really failing a lot of our soldiers who need us, but a part of me still feels that suicide is (99.999% of the time) not the answer. And I don't want to try to say that in a cheesy, after school special, "It gets better" sort of way or anything... it's just awful, awful awful for everyone involved.
 
2013-06-23 12:37:54 AM
So I'm torn here. I know it was a bullshait war to begin with. I won't doubt he was "forced" to participate in things that just aren't right. I feel for him, but at the same time I take issue with a tiny detail.

My hang-up is the participation. If he knew what he was doing to be so horrid, wouldn't the best course of action be to take an other than honorable  discharge?
 
2013-06-23 12:38:38 AM

whatshisname: STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.

You must be drunk


Or a startlingly adept troll. Or cognitively impaired.
 
2013-06-23 12:38:43 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.


This is both true and misleading. Saddam certainly did enough to more than justify our actions there, but the actual pretext used was largely false (no, it wasn't completely false). But, whether there was justification or not, the thing to remember is that it wasn't necessary at the time. Afghanistan was the target, and a righteous one, not Iraq. But even more so, it was an opportunity for the US to take the ultimate high road and publicly examine why the events took place, why we're disliked so much in certain parts of the world, etc - and make decisive, public commitments to change those actions and the perceptions. It would most certainly not have stopped the fanatics, but among the civilized, we would have so much standing that nations would have popped a hamstring to stand by us on any subsequent need for action.

Instead, we had a batch of short-sighted fools do stupid, short-sighted things.

/Republican
 
2013-06-23 12:40:48 AM
The company I work for just finished a HUGE instructional/interactive program for the military...they are taking a new approach to medicine called PCMH - "Patient Centered Medical Home".  If it helps even one soldier then it was all worth it.

Our next project is for TBI, which is also getting a lot more attention these days from military doctors.
 
2013-06-23 12:41:06 AM
Just curious... he mentions the issues he's had for "20 years", but he died at 30..

Did he enlist at 10?

/braces for the flames
 
2013-06-23 12:41:43 AM

STRYPERSWINE: Sucks that Saddam Hussein started a war and then refused to comply with the cease-fire after losing.

Getting this in before people start blaming Bush for Saddam's actions and inactions.


Roight, guv.  And george w. bush isn't to blame for what george w. bush did.
 
2013-06-23 12:42:06 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-23 12:42:10 AM

Rwa2play: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why war hawks need to get sent into the center of the Grand Canyon and a nuclear bomb is detonated right where they're standing.

/Fark...


Why would you ruin such an awesome natural feature of the earth by poisoning it with that?

And I guess the nuke would be bad for it, too.
 
2013-06-23 12:42:47 AM

ladyfortuna: And I guess the nuke would be bad for it, too.


Probably make it more spectacular.
 
2013-06-23 12:42:57 AM
He should put a question mark at then end of paragraph 13.
 
2013-06-23 12:43:16 AM

bismark189: Just curious... he mentions the issues he's had for "20 years", but he died at 30..

Did he enlist at 10?

/braces for the flames


No flames needed. Lots of people suffer from depression and mental issues.

One could argue that every human is some shade of insane.
 
2013-06-23 12:43:24 AM
I like how he references being abandoned by those who took the easy way out, and then takes the easy way out.  I have no sympathy for anyone who takes their own life.  I've known people who've succeeded, known folks who've failed.  I've seen the support systems, experienced the support systems, and know that if you truly want help, there is always someone willing.
 
2013-06-23 12:43:53 AM

FLMountainMan: Agent Smiths Laugh: It's only gonna get worse. The species is imploding.

And yet the death rate is at an all-time low, as well as warfare, while standards of living are better than ever.


All we have to fear is fear itself
 
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