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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Man waiting for LeBron James sneakers steps out of line, shoots robber and returns to his place in line. "I salute the homie that did that"   (ajc.com) divider line 181
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2013-06-22 09:11:12 PM  
FTFA:  "He was probably after that shoe money," Leslie Garcia said of the man who was shot.

Those are some fine deduction skills on display there Leslie.
 
2013-06-22 09:33:35 PM  
People still get killed for $180 sneakers? Is it 1990 already?
 
2013-06-22 09:52:37 PM  
shoes: serious business bidness
 
2013-06-22 10:02:44 PM  
His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.
 
2013-06-22 10:04:16 PM  
If you've ever waited in line for a pair of sneakers, you're an idiot.
 
2013-06-22 10:04:30 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.


Because no one has ever given a gift before?
 
2013-06-22 10:04:49 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: He left the line. He should have lost his place


Shoot robbers on your own time.
 
2013-06-22 10:05:47 PM  
He didn't shoot the robber, he popped a cap in his ass.
 
2013-06-22 10:06:24 PM  
if i see someone robbing someone else i can shoot them and it's self defense? good to know.
 
2013-06-22 10:08:38 PM  
Is his name going to be added to the Victims of Gun Violence list?
 
2013-06-22 10:08:59 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.


Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.
 
2013-06-22 10:09:46 PM  
So this begs the question: was the shooter out of line?
 
2013-06-22 10:10:12 PM  
More information about shoes than about the shooting. Journalism at its full ebb.
 
2013-06-22 10:10:29 PM  
I wish there were more black people
 
2013-06-22 10:10:53 PM  
I like his priorities!
 
2013-06-22 10:12:35 PM  

90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.


Came here to say something like this. I have a small collection of Casio G-Shock watches, so I can't cast stones at those people.

/ AFAIK, nobody's been killed over a G-Shock ( maybe in Japan....)
 
2013-06-22 10:13:15 PM  
seriously, i consider that heroic, if a bit rash. self-defense though?
 
2013-06-22 10:14:24 PM  

red5ish: More information about shoes than about the shooting. Journalism at its full ebb.


Mocking the acquisitiveness of the unwashed mob is one of Minitrue's responsibilities.
 
2013-06-22 10:15:00 PM  
Robber?

Did he shoot LeBron or Nike? ...because $180 for sneakers is robbery.
 
2013-06-22 10:15:10 PM  
Black dudes are awesome.
 
2013-06-22 10:18:06 PM  
I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...
 
2013-06-22 10:18:16 PM  

cyberspacedout: So this begs the question: was the shooter out of line?


Yes, but they saved his place.
 
2013-06-22 10:22:21 PM  

90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.


Yeah, I collect autographed hot sauces, so I guess I'm not really one to talk.
 
2013-06-22 10:23:01 PM  

damn yanks: WhoopAssWayne: I'm guessing all the liberal crackpots in the Zimmerman thread will keep their mouth shut in this one - after all, the shooter was black. Best crawl under that futon and p*ss down your pant leg rather than show an ounce of integrity and consistency.

Well just say there is a difference in a grown man getting shot during an attempted robbery, and a kid getting shot running away from a fight he didn't start to begin with.


How do you get shot at contact range running away when you're sitting on someone's chest beating their head against the ground? The "kid" was a 17 year old football player that weighed 180 pounds, Old enough to join the Army and play with automatic weapons and hand grenades.
 
2013-06-22 10:23:43 PM  
So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?
 
2013-06-22 10:25:22 PM  

nburghmatt: if i see someone robbing someone else i can shoot them and it's self defense? good to know.


I think it's been assumed the dude wasn't just going to rob one person in line and split.
 
2013-06-22 10:28:34 PM  

Marine1: Black dudes are awesome.


I'm not sure what context you intend for your statement to be taken, but I'll post a picture of an awesome black dude anyway:
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 10:31:26 PM  

nburghmatt: if i see someone robbing someone else i can shoot them and it's self defense? good to know.


Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using threats or force to the degree they reasonably believe it is necessary to stop another person's imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using deadly force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (unless it is regarding defense of habitation, which has its own requirements below). You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. (The state has pre-empted local cities and counties from further restricting this defense.)(http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&sec tion=21 (16-3-21) )
 
2013-06-22 10:31:38 PM  

red5ish: More information about shoes than about the shooting. Journalism at its full ebb.




What more information do you need?!
Dumbass sees a line of men waiting to buy shoes, a line of men in the guntopia of Georgia no less, and decides to rob them.
Pretty obvious that isn't the kind of crime you walk away from.

Now since I'm not a footwear person, I gots ta know what kind of shoe would make dozens of people wake up before the rooster to wait in line. A picture would help.
 
2013-06-22 10:31:40 PM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?
 
2013-06-22 10:35:07 PM  
christylittlejones.com
 
2013-06-22 10:35:29 PM  
Did the guy called "Save-sies" before he stepped out of line?  Because if not, under the "Cutter, Cutter, Peanut Butter" Doctrine, he loses his space.
 
2013-06-22 10:37:35 PM  
Those people stood in line for 7 hours and some didn't get shoes
 
2013-06-22 10:38:21 PM  

great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...


Probably not many.. this was in Little Five Points, which is the Atlanta equivalent of Haight-Ashbury (though it is just a couple miles up Moreland from one of the worse off parts of town).
 
2013-06-22 10:39:11 PM  

silgryphon: Those people stood in line for 7 hours and some didn't get shoes


Judging by the pics, I'd say their pretty used to waiting in lines....
 
2013-06-22 10:39:35 PM  

TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?


This article says the robber WAS armed.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-shoots-kill-alleged-robber- sh oe-store/nYSB8/
 
2013-06-22 10:40:14 PM  

TacoThursdays: I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?


Sassin'
 
2013-06-22 10:41:24 PM  
Something something Jennifer Government.
 
2013-06-22 10:43:21 PM  
BTW, is there some sort of a price range for Stand Your Ground laws?  if this guy had robbed somebody of a $20 pair of KMart shoes would this have been justified?  What about somebody who used a 50 percent of coupon?
 
2013-06-22 10:43:44 PM  
Black people problems...
 
2013-06-22 10:44:02 PM  

silgryphon: Those people stood in line for 7 hours and some didn't get shoes


On the bright side, those people who didn't get them saved $180 per pair.
 
2013-06-22 10:47:59 PM  
This thread is going places

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 10:48:37 PM  
"He was probably just minding his business," Dan Garcia said of the shooter.

"Minding his business" doesn't mean the same thing now as it did years ago, does it?
 
2013-06-22 10:48:56 PM  
More guns=less crime
 
2013-06-22 10:49:44 PM  

Walter Paisley: Marine1: Black dudes are awesome.

I'm not sure what context you intend for your statement to be taken, but I'll post a picture of an awesome black dude anyway:
[img.fark.net image 600x600]


I'm diggin' that hat.
 
2013-06-22 10:50:50 PM  

cyberspacedout: So this begs the question: was the shooter out of line?


FTFA article only for the shot. Then he stepped back in. And no one stopped him.
 
2013-06-22 10:52:16 PM  
This wouldn't have happened if everybody had LeBron James sneakers.
 
2013-06-22 10:53:27 PM  

Marine1: Walter Paisley: Marine1: Black dudes are awesome.

I'm not sure what context you intend for your statement to be taken, but I'll post a picture of an awesome black dude anyway:
[img.fark.net image 600x600]

I'm diggin' that hat.


It's retro.
 
2013-06-22 10:54:39 PM  

way south: Now since I'm not a footwear person, I gots ta know what kind of shoe would make dozens of people wake up before the rooster to wait in line. A picture would help.


No goog skills?
 
2013-06-22 10:58:22 PM  

redmid17: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Because no one has ever given a gift before?


A pistol would appear to be a more useful present.
 
2013-06-22 11:02:30 PM  
Sneaker Pimps
 
2013-06-22 11:02:36 PM  

pueblonative: BTW, is there some sort of a price range for Stand Your Ground laws?  if this guy had robbed somebody of a $20 pair of KMart shoes would this have been justified?  What about somebody who used a 50 percent of coupon?


In some stores the only part of the coupon you need is the bar code, but in other stores you have to present at least 51% of the coupon to redeem it.
 
2013-06-22 11:02:45 PM  

90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.


Except people who collect sneakers usually spend 70% of their income on them. Not exactly a wise business decision.
 
2013-06-22 11:06:14 PM  
It took looking the story up to find the robber was armed. Leaving out that detail makes all the difference between a justified beatdown and a justified homicide. Also, queueing for shoes. *sigh* Even if they were a gift...camping out for that shiat?
 
2013-06-22 11:07:47 PM  

Snarfangel: redmid17: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Because no one has ever given a gift before?

A pistol would appear to be a more useful present.


Or a bullet resistant vest
 
2013-06-22 11:08:34 PM  

LoneWolf343: This wouldn't have happened if everybody had LeBron James sneakers.


Bingo. You've cracked the code!
 
2013-06-22 11:10:18 PM  

CarrieWhite: .camping out for that shiat?


 as said for the 50th time in this thread, people camp out for iphones, video games, midnight showings of harry potter, Xbox, etc.  news flash:  we all have different hobbies.

/has never camped out for anything i just cited.
//just U2 tickets
///which bakcfired, as they did a ticket lottery in line and i got a shiatty draw
 
2013-06-22 11:13:31 PM  

LemSkroob: 90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.

Except people who collect sneakers usually spend 70% of their income on them. Not exactly a wise business decision.


Most collectors don't expect a return on investment. For example, I collect college girls' belly button lint. There's much less of a market for that than you'd expect.
 
2013-06-22 11:15:07 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: He left the line. He should have lost his place


He has a gun. And he just killed a guy. You tell him.
 
2013-06-22 11:15:12 PM  

Marine1: Walter Paisley: Marine1: Black dudes are awesome.

I'm not sure what context you intend for your statement to be taken, but I'll post a picture of an awesome black dude anyway:
[img.fark.net image 600x600]

I'm diggin' that hat.


Sun Ra was a very interesting dresser.
For your listening pleasure
 
2013-06-22 11:18:40 PM  
NewsFlash - Life is cheap.  About $180.00 aparently.
 
2013-06-22 11:18:45 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 11:19:42 PM  
Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.
 
2013-06-22 11:22:41 PM  
I think I read an article somewhere else that the Whitehouse has asked the NBA if they could use Lebron to pitch Obamacare...coincidence?  I think not.
 
2013-06-22 11:28:21 PM  

Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.


Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...
 
2013-06-22 11:28:28 PM  
Conversely, will someone concede a dollar amount at which shooting to kill is justified? $100,000? Or a year's average wage, $38,000? Or the median savings of the American retiree?
 
2013-06-22 11:29:52 PM  
I don't think it was the $ amount.  It was the fact he had a gun and was robbing someone.
 
2013-06-22 11:30:14 PM  

Marcintosh: NewsFlash - Life is cheap. About $180.00 aparently.


Sounds like the last thought to go through the robber's mind as he bled to death.
 
2013-06-22 11:30:25 PM  

Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...


Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.
 
2013-06-22 11:31:03 PM  
"It's the leather and the denim," the man said. "It's basically a pair of pants on your foot." He wore an unusual pair of Addidas sneakers with a furry, leopard-like print.

I thought those are called socks.
 
2013-06-22 11:35:07 PM  

Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.


He doesn't need a bunch...one would do the trick (which he had).  Would it have been better that he shot someone standing in line for sneakers, ran, and then let the police investigate it?
 
2013-06-22 11:41:12 PM  

Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.


robber produced a firearm
CCP holder produced his to protect the people
CCP holder won
self defense (which can include others)
 
2013-06-22 11:42:09 PM  

ChaosStar: Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.

robber produced a firearm
CCP holder produced his to protect the people
CCP holder won
self defense (which can include others)


I'm not seeing any mention in the article about the robber having a handgun.  Just that he was a pickpocket.
 
2013-06-22 11:44:01 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: I wish there were more black people


You never see white people waiting in line to shoot each other over the new Bauer skates...

/just sayin'
//thug ball
 
2013-06-22 11:44:18 PM  

Infernalist: ChaosStar: Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.

robber produced a firearm
CCP holder produced his to protect the people
CCP holder won
self defense (which can include others)

I'm not seeing any mention in the article about the robber having a handgun.  Just that he was a pickpocket.


http://eastatlanta.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/police-investiga ti ng-little-five-points-homicide
there you go friend
 
2013-06-22 11:44:20 PM  

Infernalist: ChaosStar: Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.

robber produced a firearm
CCP holder produced his to protect the people
CCP holder won
self defense (which can include others)

I'm not seeing any mention in the article about the robber having a handgun.  Just that he was a pickpocket.


From above:   http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-shoots-kill-alleged-robber-s h oe-store/nYSB8/
 
2013-06-22 11:45:42 PM  
I don't weep when I step on roaches. Not all life is precious.
 
2013-06-22 11:48:52 PM  
I'm fine with him shooting a robber, whether the thief had a gun or not. You should be able to protect your own property and if someone is dumb enough to steal, that person should suffer any consequences. Such as, you know, dying.
 
2013-06-22 11:49:08 PM  

Infernalist: ChaosStar: Infernalist: Slappajo: Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income.  Thankfully, someone was only shot instead.

Or someone who was doing nothing wrong could have been shot by the robber or maybe several people...maybe this guy prevented a "mass shooting".

How about we play like the media, over exaggerate a situation and whore it out like mass shootings and say that he saved EVERYONE'S life that was standing in line?  Oh, and the store employees...he saved them too...

Relax, son, I'm sure that big bad robber was 8 feet tall and sporting a bunch of guns like the Punisher and that brave shooter saved those poor sneaker-buying people from going home without their sneakers.

It's a victory for freedumb.

robber produced a firearm
CCP holder produced his to protect the people
CCP holder won
self defense (which can include others)

I'm not seeing any mention in the article about the robber having a handgun.  Just that he was a pickpocket.


I believe robbery consists of taking by force. If you rob a house the occupants were home. If you burglar a house they weren't home.
 
2013-06-22 11:51:05 PM  

Yogimus: I don't weep when I step on roaches. Not all life is precious.


But according to some people if someone else steps on a butterfly then your feet should be banned.
 
2013-06-22 11:51:32 PM  
I'd bet Dollars to Donuts that half the people in this thread criticizing the people waiting in line for $180 shoes, will be waiting in line for the iphone 5s/6 or whatever the hell it's going to be.
 
2013-06-22 11:58:27 PM  

akuma976: I'd bet Dollars to Donuts that half the people in this thread criticizing the people waiting in line for $180 shoes, will be waiting in line for the iphone 5s/6 or whatever the hell it's going to be.


It's fark...if you don't have an iPhone, you are a dirty Liberal.

/or something
//don't have an iAnything
///liberal
 
2013-06-22 11:58:55 PM  
People getting in line for clothing made popular through scarcity is so 1985.
 
2013-06-22 11:59:29 PM  

vudukungfu: Sneaker Pimps


No word on whether the criminal was left 6 underground however.
 
2013-06-23 12:00:10 AM  

fatalvenom: akuma976: I'd bet Dollars to Donuts that half the people in this thread criticizing the people waiting in line for $180 shoes, will be waiting in line for the iphone 5s/6 or whatever the hell it's going to be.

It's fark...if you don't have an iPhone, you are a dirty Liberal.

/or something
//don't have an iAnything
///liberal


And here I thought the liberals had the iPhones...hmmm
 
2013-06-23 12:02:23 AM  

akuma976: I'd bet Dollars to Donuts that half the people in this thread criticizing the people waiting in line for $180 shoes, will be waiting in line for the iphone 5s/6 or whatever the hell it's going to be.


Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Besides, why wait in line when I can just preorder my HTC and have it delivered to my friggin' house once it's available?

Waiting in line is what folks who don't have money, but do have time, do to get such items.

As an aside, it's interesting in that you have to be short on either money or time for it to matter. If you have both, or if you don't have both, you don't care. If you have money, but not time, then you have someone else do it for you; otherwise you have to do it yourself.
 
2013-06-23 12:04:26 AM  

ex-nuke: damn yanks: WhoopAssWayne: I'm guessing all the liberal crackpots in the Zimmerman thread will keep their mouth shut in this one - after all, the shooter was black. Best crawl under that futon and p*ss down your pant leg rather than show an ounce of integrity and consistency.

Well just say there is a difference in a grown man getting shot during an attempted robbery, and a kid getting shot running away from a fight he didn't start to begin with.

How do you get shot at contact range running away when you're sitting on someone's chest beating their head against the ground? The "kid" was a 17 year old football player that weighed 180 pounds, Old enough to join the Army and play with automatic weapons and hand grenades.



This 17 year old got confronted by a 28 year old, who had already called the cops and been instructed to leave the kid allown. Anything that happened as a result of the ensuing confrontation is 100% the 28 year olds fault no matter who he was confronting and for whatever reason. He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.
 
2013-06-23 12:07:10 AM  

damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.


I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?
 
2013-06-23 12:08:49 AM  

Infernalist: Well, thank goodness that someone with a gun was there, people might have actually lost some disposable income been subjected to unwanted violence against their person or family member(s).   Thankfully, someone some useless drain on the system was only shot instead.


/fixed that for your liberal bleeding heart.
 
2013-06-23 12:11:11 AM  

Yogimus: I don't weep when I step on roaches. Not all life is precious.


I kind of agree with this but also note that robbery is a crime of desperation, not maliciousness. The guy robbing money to fund his drug habit? Or was he robbing money to feed his three children since his unemployment is expired and he has no other way to feed them?
You never know the story behind robbery, and there is rarely a coolly calculating need to increase wealth for the sake of it; they're mostly all sad.
 
2013-06-23 12:14:28 AM  

FormlessOne: Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Besides, why wait in line when I can just preorder my HTC and have it delivered to my friggin' house once it's available?


True for you I guess.  But the fact that you're still dropping Brand names just kinda helps prove my point.

My point is every iproduct that launches has a line of thick-rim-glasses-wearing starbucks-sipping hipsters, lined up around the block ready to drop at least $400 on a device they already own with just a couple new features, so they won't look bad around the other hipsters at the coffee house.  My point applies to the people that will be waiting in line for the Xboxone and PS4 as well

Some people get their gratification from Shoes, others get it from Electronics.  Get over it.
 
2013-06-23 12:16:35 AM  
"It's the leather and the denim," the man said. "It's basically a pair of pants on your foot."


Well that settles it. Definately worth $180

/ and shooting a guy
 
2013-06-23 12:16:58 AM  
Im curious can you buy Sneakers with EBT cards? Why would certain people ever need a job then? whats next...KFC?
 
2013-06-23 12:17:49 AM  
Supporting sport hero worship will always have it's ugly side.  That doesn't mean it's not an advantageous economical avenue to continue to broadcast to the general populace as an extra commercial incentive in product sales.  Some individuals just get too greedy and that creates a public relations risk for the franchise.  Or, increases the value.  Either way, we cool.  Those guys are HEROES and deserving of nothing less than a shoe sale.  Whatever the cost.
 
2013-06-23 12:19:38 AM  

starsrift: Yogimus: I don't weep when I step on roaches. Not all life is precious.

I kind of agree with this but also note that robbery is a crime of desperation, not maliciousness. The guy robbing money to fund his drug habit? Or was he robbing money to feed his three children since his unemployment is expired and he has no other way to feed them?
You never know the story behind robbery, and there is rarely a coolly calculating need to increase wealth for the sake of it; they're mostly all sad.


While I kind of agree with you, if he needs to feed his family then go shoplifting in a grocery store.  I know you may have been using that as a general statement...he could have needed to keep his electricity on, etc.  So maybe it was just a bad example.
 
2013-06-23 12:21:35 AM  

lelio: "It's the leather and the denim," the man said. "It's basically a pair of pants on your foot."


Well that settles it. Definately worth $180

/ and shooting a guy


No, the robbery guy having a gun made him worth shooting.
 
2013-06-23 12:22:55 AM  

Midrissa: TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?

This article says the robber WAS armed.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-shoots-kill-alleged-robber- sh oe-store/nYSB8/


At least that article tries to rationalize it a little more then being like damn people were trying to buy some shoes this guy came up started some shiat and so he got shot end we got back in line....did we mention the shoes are leather and denim?
 
2013-06-23 12:27:49 AM  

WillofJ2: Midrissa: TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?

This article says the robber WAS armed.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-shoots-kill-alleged-robber- sh oe-store/nYSB8/

At least that article tries to rationalize it a little more then being like damn people were trying to buy some shoes this guy came up started some shiat and so he got shot end we got back in line....did we mention the shoes are leather and denim?


It was probably "breaking news" when the first one reported it...maybe the other articles waited for actual details.

/I'm making excuses for sh*atty reporting
//or liberal leaning press
 
2013-06-23 12:52:13 AM  
I've got a Nike Manchester United shirt arriving in the mail sometime soon. Lucky it gets to me and I need not wait in line.

The trick is not to buy what everyone else wants.
 
2013-06-23 01:24:12 AM  

90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.


Since when was collecting wallets a crime?
 
2013-06-23 01:27:45 AM  

akuma976: FormlessOne: Bzzzt! Wrong answer. Besides, why wait in line when I can just preorder my HTC and have it delivered to my friggin' house once it's available?

True for you I guess.  But the fact that you're still dropping Brand names just kinda helps prove my point.

My point is every iproduct that launches has a line of thick-rim-glasses-wearing starbucks-sipping hipsters, lined up around the block ready to drop at least $400 on a device they already own with just a couple new features, so they won't look bad around the other hipsters at the coffee house.  My point applies to the people that will be waiting in line for the Xboxone and PS4 as well

Some people get their gratification from Shoes, others get it from Electronics.  Get over it.


Get over what, exactly? I'm curious, as you appear angry about something - in your Boobies, it was the strawman of predicted apparent hypocrisy. Now, it appears to be the strawman of rampant consumerism driven by the manufactured need for "the new."
 
2013-06-23 01:29:25 AM  
I'm going to invent a time machine, go back to the 1800s and show them what happens to all the slaves they imported. Work ethic would hit unprecedented highs.
 
2013-06-23 01:30:17 AM  

Slappajo: damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.

I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?


No clue but part of their job is advising first responders on how to proceed until law enforcement, the fire department, or emergency services arrive. So I would assume he/she had some training, and I have not heard any one question the advice it gave.
 
2013-06-23 01:32:21 AM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


Yes. If someone tries to victimise you, and you kill them, you're a hero.
 
2013-06-23 01:35:49 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: If you've ever waited in line paid more than $40 for a pair of sneakers, you're an idiot.


FTFY
 
2013-06-23 01:52:47 AM  
Another name for the Mayors Against Guns! Poor fella.
 
2013-06-23 01:55:40 AM  

Slappajo: damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.

I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?


Only if the dispatcher is a uniformed officer. Otherwise they are just a civilian, and Sanford PD already acknowledged that.


Lee said the 911 directions asking Zimmerman not to confront the teenager are not mandatory instructions.

"That is a call taker making a recommendation to him. He's not under a legal obligation to do that, so that is not something we can charge him with," he said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/14/justice/florida-teen-shooting
 
2013-06-23 02:02:42 AM  
F*cking sneakers.
 
2013-06-23 02:06:12 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: If you've ever waited in line for a pair of sneakers, you're an idiot.


You assume anyone in line wasn't a minority? You've got the crime, the retaliation, the recognition for a "homie?" Only an idiot would assume that entire crowd wasn't packing heat.
 
2013-06-23 02:17:32 AM  
Pulling a gun on someone is like swimming in the ocean.  Once you get into the ocean you're part of the food chain, you got in you may get shark bit.  Pull a gun on someone, you might get farking shot.

/The risks you take.
 
2013-06-23 02:52:30 AM  

Slappajo: damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.

I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?


Although not a law enforcement officer typically, listening to a dispatcher is a good idea in an emergency situation if you value your continued existence, or the one of someone you love and/or want to help.
 
2013-06-23 02:54:50 AM  
A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.
 
2013-06-23 03:03:27 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


Your statement is not universally accurate. A typical human life is not worth less than a pair of shoes. The life of a human who commits robbery is worth less than a pair of shoes.
 
2013-06-23 03:08:54 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


Well, the proper way to frame your question is that a human who feels it's a reasonable and rational course of action to pull a gun on someone over the money to buy shoes is worth less than those shoes.
 
2013-06-23 03:10:20 AM  

rickythepenguin: Did the guy called "Save-sies" before he stepped out of line?  Because if not, under the "Cutter, Cutter, Peanut Butter" Doctrine, he loses his space.


If you just finished killing a man you generally get your space back regardless of save-sies.
 
2013-06-23 03:11:08 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


The criminal is the one that decides what his life is worth.
 
2013-06-23 03:11:22 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


I, too, am fully in favor of the weregild system.
 
2013-06-23 03:18:11 AM  
I will shove the universe up your ass.
 
2013-06-23 03:34:14 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


There are seven billion humans. One of them decided it would be an awesome idea to rob a whole line of other humans who were crazy enough to be waiting in line for a pair of shoes.

So yes, he was worth less than a good pair of shoes.
 
2013-06-23 03:51:59 AM  

foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.


This is not about the pair of shoes in the slightest. It is about a group of people who were subjected to armed robbery and defended themselves.
 
2013-06-23 04:20:48 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: foo monkey: A human life is worth less than a pair of shoes.

This is not about the pair of shoes in the slightest. It is about a group of people who were subjected to armed robbery and defended themselves.


To provide some fair consideration: some individuals believe that armed robbers are entitled to a guarantee of a safe workplace.
 
2013-06-23 04:23:13 AM  
A lot of racist undercurrents, here. Yes, the people were black. Yes, the shoes are (by my standards at least) ugly and overpriced. But these were also American citizens (most likely) lining up to legally buy a product from an American business in an orderly fashion. Some guy who was most assuredly armed or was big enough to intimidate people to give over their money through brute force decided to rob people of their money.

Look... you don't want to get beaten or shot... don't threaten people with bodily harm unless they give you their belongings. You rob or loot, you deserve to get shot. I have absolutely no problem with this and will not accept any kind of sob story about it. I don't care if your kid has cancer and this is the only way in your dim mind to raise the money.
 
2013-06-23 04:27:01 AM  
Shoes endorsed by sports idols often make fine investments.  /the more you know
 
2013-06-23 04:29:47 AM  
I don't know what's worse; the actual story, or the people in it.
 
2013-06-23 04:37:27 AM  
You can buy them on the website.

I saw something about buying shoes on ESPN this weekend and Nike refused to comment on the sneaker related shootings.  ESPN claimed that Nike had opened up a website to avoid this.
 
2013-06-23 05:29:56 AM  
If your standing in line seven hours to buy shoes you should be shot yourself. I bet everyone in line had an EBT card and was on welfare.
 
2013-06-23 07:18:12 AM  
But... standing in line for sneakers made in China? Really?

/surprised he didn't shoot everyone in line for being stupid.
 
2013-06-23 07:55:17 AM  

saturn badger: way south: Now since I'm not a footwear person, I gots ta know what kind of shoe would make dozens of people wake up before the rooster to wait in line. A picture would help.

No goog skills?


I could've read the police report myself too. The reporter's mission was to convey relevant information about the incident and, instead, she pointed to a picture ...on her laptop.

/When witnesses described the shoes as "jeans  you wear on your feet" and "highly marketable", you can at least get a look at the real thing.
/Dammit news media, you had one job.
 
2013-06-23 08:28:24 AM  
way south: Now since I'm not a footwear person, I gots ta know what kind of shoe would make dozens of people wake up before the rooster to wait in line. A picture would help.


img.fark.net
shoes to die for
 
2013-06-23 08:28:47 AM  
way south: Now since I'm not a footwear person, I gots ta know what kind of shoe would make dozens of people wake up before the rooster to wait in line. A picture would help.

img.fark.net
The shoes in question.
 
2013-06-23 08:33:30 AM  
Feral_and_Preposterous: I got to admit: your shoes out pimp my shoes.
 
2013-06-23 08:46:25 AM  

CarrieWhite: It took looking the story up to find the robber was armed. Leaving out that detail makes all the difference between a justified beatdown and a justified homicide. Also, queueing for shoes. *sigh* Even if they were a gift...camping out for that shiat?


Folks stand in line for the latest Apple gizmo.
 
2013-06-23 08:53:29 AM  
Stand and wait your line!
 
2013-06-23 09:02:37 AM  
api.ning.com
 
182
2013-06-23 09:25:21 AM  

Mugato: People still get killed for $180 sneakers? Is it 1990 already?


yeah and people still pay for pussy, too.
 
2013-06-23 09:52:44 AM  

TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?


Is the perp black or white?
 
2013-06-23 10:08:29 AM  

Mugato: People still get killed for $180 sneakers? Is it 1990 already?


i remember my friend who wore sneakers with 23 on the side.  and i'm like "KEWL!!! SHOES WITH MY FAVORITE NUMBER".  it wasn't until later i realized they were air jordan's
 
2013-06-23 10:14:40 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?

Is the perp black or white?


In Georgia there is a code phrase used by crime victims "I was in fear for my life so I shot him." works every time when there are witnesses to confirm the crime.
 
2013-06-23 10:21:36 AM  
TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?


It's legal with "forcible felonies".

From da law: the term 'forcible felony' means any felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any person and further includes, without limitation, murder; felony murder; burglary; robbery; armed robbery; kidnapping; hijacking of an aircraft or motor vehicle; aggravated stalking; rape; aggravated child molestation; aggravated sexual battery; arson in the first degree; the manufacturing, transporting, distribution, or possession of explosives with intent to kill, injure, or intimidate individuals or destroy a public building; terroristic threats; or acts of treason or insurrection.

Someone performing any of those -- I have no problem if they are removed from the gene pool..
 
2013-06-23 10:24:38 AM  

TacoThursdays: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

I was thinking the same thing. What is the pettiest crime that you are allowed to kill somebody for committing against you in Georgia?


Oh boohoo, a robber was killed int he act of committing a crime. Such a loss to humanity.
 
2013-06-23 10:56:57 AM  

great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...


You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."
 
2013-06-23 11:01:06 AM  

HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."




People who pay 180 for shoes are prone to bad life choices
 
2013-06-23 11:02:22 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."

People who pay 180 for shoes are prone to bad life choices


People pay too much for stupid shiat all the time.  But for some reason, these "I bet they're all on welfare" comments only come out when those people have dark skin.
 
2013-06-23 11:03:42 AM  
I cant help but notice that some FARKers do love robbers and hate gun owners
 
2013-06-23 11:16:37 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."

People who pay 180 for shoes are prone to bad life choices

People pay too much for stupid shiat all the time.  But for some reason, these "I bet they're all on welfare" comments only come out when those people have dark skin.




I would wager that the people in line are either black or whites acting black
 
2013-06-23 11:19:30 AM  

90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.


Nightline covered this recently.  They followed a white suburban kid who got up at 6 AM (and whined about how early it was) and got in his dad's Audi SUV and went to some Sneakerhead convention with 5 pairs of shoes in beat up boxes.  It was rather disturbing actually.

They're just farking shoes, FFS.  I'm actually male and not gay, so I have one pair of shoes and they're not fancy.  They're comfortable and I'm pretty sure no one is going to kill me for them.
 
2013-06-23 11:24:51 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."

People who pay 180 for shoes are prone to bad life choices

People pay too much for stupid shiat all the time.  But for some reason, these "I bet they're all on welfare" comments only come out when those people have dark skin.

I would wager that the people in line are either black or whites acting black


Which is why they drew the "how many are on Medicaid" comment.  Nobody asked how many people who were waiting in line to spend $700 on a PS3 were on Medicaid.  Or how about the people who bought the original iPhone for $600?  I didn't see too many people talking about how they were all welfare cases.

Oh, and:

Mid_mo_mad_man: whites acting black


Please, do tell, what is "acting black"?
 
2013-06-23 11:27:04 AM  
It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.
 
2013-06-23 11:28:45 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."

People who pay 180 for shoes are prone to bad life choices

People pay too much for stupid shiat all the time.  But for some reason, these "I bet they're all on welfare" comments only come out when those people have dark skin.

I would wager that the people in line are either black or whites acting black


Probably. I didn't see most of the preppy white kids i know wearing sneakers like this. A few, maybe, but mostly not. It's a cultural thing. And heaven forbid that we acknowledge that certain folks are predisposed to certain types of behavior. No different than assuming all southern white people are racist and all comic book nerds are virgins.
 
2013-06-23 11:31:22 AM  

skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.


in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?
 
2013-06-23 11:34:00 AM  

Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?


Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"
 
2013-06-23 11:34:35 AM  

skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.


It also brings out the smug people who only show up to point out that Fark has racists.  You know, in case this was the first time anyone ever read a Fark thread.
 
2013-06-23 11:42:45 AM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.
 
2013-06-23 12:10:41 PM  
Which one of the victim's baby mamas is going to sue first?
 
2013-06-23 12:11:25 PM  
Time to ban sneakers.
 
2013-06-23 12:13:04 PM  

ZeroPly: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.


Pssst, the robber was armed.
 
2013-06-23 12:26:01 PM  
You are missing the point of the article. A woman was buying $180 sneakers for her 5yo.
 
2013-06-23 12:26:13 PM  

rocketpants: Time to ban sneakers.


Robert Redford's WAY ahead of you

www.chud.com
 
2013-06-23 12:53:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Slappajo: damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.

I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?

Although not a law enforcement officer typically, listening to a dispatcher is a good idea in an emergency situation if you value your continued existence, or the one of someone you love and/or want to help.


Assuming, of course, that the dispatcher is a well trained professional, not the dumb biatch wife of one of the deputies who couldn't hold down a job at Taco John's.
 
2013-06-23 12:53:20 PM  

HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."



It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.
 
2013-06-23 01:54:58 PM  
www.dirtygumsoles.com
 
2013-06-23 02:00:00 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"




Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.
 
2013-06-23 02:22:28 PM  
I was most impressed that the writer of TFA started out writing about a shooting but ended up writing about standing in line for sneakers, with occasional passing mention of the shooting.  Strange dynamic all the way around.  I'm glad the shooter didn't abuse his position to cut in line after blasting the robber.  Had he done that the crowd would not have backed the self-defense narrative.
 
2013-06-23 02:28:30 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.


I'm offended you used the word people when referring to them. Maybe animals, on a good day.
 
2013-06-23 03:00:08 PM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.


Oh ok. So you know one person who abuses the system, therefore ALL people on Medicaid abuse the system! Why don't you just talk to your SIL & let her know how you disapprove of her money management instead of acting like everyone on government assistance is living high on the hog. You're a real social warrior there, bud.
 
2013-06-23 03:21:54 PM  
Eats, shoots, shoes and leaves.
 
2013-06-23 03:27:20 PM  

Di Atribe: great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.

Oh ok. So you know one person who abuses the system, therefore ALL people on Medicaid abuse the system! Why don't you just talk to your SIL & let her know how you disapprove of her money management instead of acting like everyone on government assistance is living high on the hog. You're a real social warrior there, bud.


Oh noes! She bought a 20k car!  I guess she should be forced to drive an old unreliable beater that constantly needs fixing.
 
2013-06-23 03:34:06 PM  

lewismarktwo: Oh noes! She bought a 20k car! I guess she should be forced to drive an old unreliable beater that constantly needs fixing.


Who needs to get to work reliably anyway?
 
2013-06-23 03:49:52 PM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.


And why are you assuming the people in that line are on Medicaid?
 
2013-06-23 03:53:45 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.


You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.
 
2013-06-23 03:53:48 PM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


How do  you know the robber wasn't armed?  The article doesn't seem to say that.  It doesn't say he was armed, or that he wasn't, either way.
 
2013-06-23 04:08:46 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.

You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.


The fact you're bringing up all those questions itself means even you know they're associated with blacks, so what does it matter if he admits it or not?

I'll make it clear for him though. He's saying acting black because the thugs act like violent animals that will murder someone that gets between them and their err force onez. If they can get the gun out of their pants that happen to hang 2 inches from the ground, that is. Also, err force onez may have been pronounced Air Force Ones, but I may have misheard with all the gold they try to hold in their mouth.
 
2013-06-23 04:17:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.

You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.




1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.
2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.
3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy
 
2013-06-23 05:47:59 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: 1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.


And you're assuming the people in the line in TFA are poor... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.


Again, you're assuming that they're overspending their income... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy


Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that doesn't necessarily make them the caricature of black people you see on TV, either.

You're making a lot of assumptions of a lot of people that aren't borne out by any evidence, based solely on the fact that they were in line to buy an overpriced consumer product.  I think you should examine these assumptions, and figure out where they are coming from.
 
2013-06-23 07:05:56 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: 1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.

And you're assuming the people in the line in TFA are poor... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.

Again, you're assuming that they're overspending their income... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that doesn't necessarily make them the caricature of black people you see on TV, either.

You're making a lot of assumptions of a lot of people that aren't borne out by any evidence, based solely on the fact that they were in line to buy an overpriced consumer product.  I think you should examine these assumptions, and figure out where they are coming from.


He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.  Frankly, as I stated earlier, I've seen plenty of folks, black and white, in the ghetto that view things like this as status symbols. So, they buy them because they are status symbols.  No different than buying a BMW and drinking fine booze is a status symbol, or living in Central Park West.

We're a materialistic culture, with microcosms of subcultures that view different behavior and items as status symbols. So, to show your place in your particular tribe, you go out and get the things that give you status.  Yeah, it's stupid, and yeah, it's made up of a philosophy that values bling over survival. But it's very real.  And rich or poor, people all the time make poor decisions with money.  Only difference is, people notice when its the folks that don't have a lot of extra to give that blow it on status items.  When you have 40mil and you blow $150k on a BMW, it's not nearly as big as when you have maybe $80k and you blow 50k of it on a Cadillac.

The problem is, as I see it, certain cultures grow up in certain locations, and those cultures tended to stand out because of the coincidental population. What I mean by that is, if you look at a largely blighted ghetto area, the general view of various expensive toys as status symbols are fairly common. However, considering that a vast majority of those ghettos were made by the policies of yesteryear that kept blacks in their own section of town, and were compounded by forced poverty through segregation and discrimination, you have the coincidental existence of a culture that became dependent on crime and government assistance and a population that happened to be predominantly black/hispanic. You saw similar things with Irish ghettos and neighborhoods, where the cultural/tribal behaviors were similar, but the ethnic background was completely different.

Given that discrimination against blacks and hispanics lasted longer than discrimination against the Irish, you have a much larger number of places where the behaviors cut along racial lines.  With the continued wealth disparity and an ingrained cultural sense among those who grew up in poverty of a certain lifestyle and way of doing things, you develop a set of behaviors around it.  Condition generations of people to subsist on welfare programs while not giving them much, if any, support that helps them change their lot in life, you're going to create the very cultural conditions that you decry as "ghetto" and "thug" and make those people the epitome of what you come to hate.

Another example that comes to mind: You take a pitbull, you beat it, you starve it, you treat it like shiat, and it's going to behave aggressively towards anyone it encounters, because it only knows what it considers to be normal treatment, and will lash out and distrust the thing that hurts it. 

Now, I dunno, maybe i'm racist, maybe I'm not. Personally, I have seen groups of all races behave almost identically when it comes to building their own society when they are kept apart from what is considered to be the mainstream of society. Humans are social, and they tend to go by instinct and conditioning. You segregate a part of the population and keep them from joining what is considered to be "normal society" through economic and educational isolation, they're going to figure out a way to survive and build their own thing, which isn't a problem to them, and only becomes a problem when that social order clashes with the rest of the established order.

Bottom line: all of this is circular.  We, or our forbears, isolate certain groups of people for whatever reason. They develop their own culture and their own social norms, including what is considered to be important, leading to the formation of status symbols in their cultural identity.  The members of this new society go out to buy what they've come to regard as status symbols. We then mock them and deride people we perceive to be part of this new society because they are exhibiting certain behaviors or are picking up certain status symbols that relate back to that group, thus breeding more isolation, etc. etc.

Unfortunately, I think we misuse the term "racist" as often times the behaviors being considered to be "Racist" have less to do with race and more to do with viewing a certain society/culture as being inferior or bad. However. "Culturalist" or "tribalist" doesn't seem to have quite the same ring.  I will fully admit to being that, by the way, as I have no problems admitting that I view anyone who eschews a self-dependent way of life and the sense of personal freedom born of not wanting to be closely ingrained in a community setting as stupid/retarded. I loathe people who live in cities and like that type of culture. No matter what race they are, I find that whole way of living to be offensive and wrong.   I know there are certainly others who view the ideals of being willing to commit violence against others, or Hunting, or fishing, or eating meat, or any number of other factors to be equally as wrong, and alien to their chosen tribalistic ideals.
 
2013-06-23 07:35:15 PM  

Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.


He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.
 
2013-06-23 08:13:53 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.


I don't think many people think far enough down to realize that they conflate a general disdain for another type of culture with certain characteristics of race, or how ignorant making such a statement is, given that any one point in the list is not enough points to specifically identify the subject at hand.

But, yes, I agree.
 
2013-06-23 08:22:16 PM  

ZeroPly: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.


I am not even on the fence about it I think when bad things happen to criminals good riddance, just the fact he is a hero, when the article didnt say much beyond yeah this guy was robbing someone in line, and this guy walks over and shoots him dead and gets back in line, but spent a lot of time talking about the shoes bugs me, did they even take the guy in for questioning?
 
2013-06-23 10:31:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.


It clearly struck a nerve, you cannot honestly tell me that everyone wearing these 180 dollar pair of shoes are self sufficient. Many negative superstitions are based on actual cases.
 
2013-06-24 09:11:32 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: 90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.

Came here to say something like this. I have a small collection of Casio G-Shock watches, so I can't cast stones at those people.

/ AFAIK, nobody's been killed over a G-Shock ( maybe in Japan....)


I just wanted to say that I bought a Gshock years ago and could NEVER get that farking thing programmed...
 
2013-06-24 09:54:50 AM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.

It clearly struck a nerve, you cannot honestly tell me that everyone wearing these 180 dollar pair of shoes are self sufficient. Many negative superstitions are based on actual cases.


I'm sure some of them are making an unwise decision.  That's true of any purchase.  As for striking a nerve, you're right, it did.  I hate racism and ignorance, and seeing it on a site I frequent does strike a nerve.
 
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