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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Man waiting for LeBron James sneakers steps out of line, shoots robber and returns to his place in line. "I salute the homie that did that"   (ajc.com) divider line 181
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2013-06-23 11:34:00 AM  

Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?


Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"
 
2013-06-23 11:34:35 AM  

skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.


It also brings out the smug people who only show up to point out that Fark has racists.  You know, in case this was the first time anyone ever read a Fark thread.
 
2013-06-23 11:42:45 AM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.
 
2013-06-23 12:10:41 PM  
Which one of the victim's baby mamas is going to sue first?
 
2013-06-23 12:11:25 PM  
Time to ban sneakers.
 
2013-06-23 12:13:04 PM  

ZeroPly: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.


Pssst, the robber was armed.
 
2013-06-23 12:26:01 PM  
You are missing the point of the article. A woman was buying $180 sneakers for her 5yo.
 
2013-06-23 12:26:13 PM  

rocketpants: Time to ban sneakers.


Robert Redford's WAY ahead of you

www.chud.com
 
2013-06-23 12:53:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Slappajo: damn yanks:  He disobeyed law enforcement instructions and created a situation in which an law abbiding citizen lost his life.

I'm not sure of the technicalities of it, but is a 911 operator legally "law enforcement"?

Although not a law enforcement officer typically, listening to a dispatcher is a good idea in an emergency situation if you value your continued existence, or the one of someone you love and/or want to help.


Assuming, of course, that the dispatcher is a well trained professional, not the dumb biatch wife of one of the deputies who couldn't hold down a job at Taco John's.
 
2013-06-23 12:53:20 PM  

HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."



It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.
 
2013-06-23 01:54:58 PM  
www.dirtygumsoles.com
 
2013-06-23 02:00:00 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"




Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.
 
2013-06-23 02:22:28 PM  
I was most impressed that the writer of TFA started out writing about a shooting but ended up writing about standing in line for sneakers, with occasional passing mention of the shooting.  Strange dynamic all the way around.  I'm glad the shooter didn't abuse his position to cut in line after blasting the robber.  Had he done that the crowd would not have backed the self-defense narrative.
 
2013-06-23 02:28:30 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.


I'm offended you used the word people when referring to them. Maybe animals, on a good day.
 
2013-06-23 03:00:08 PM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.


Oh ok. So you know one person who abuses the system, therefore ALL people on Medicaid abuse the system! Why don't you just talk to your SIL & let her know how you disapprove of her money management instead of acting like everyone on government assistance is living high on the hog. You're a real social warrior there, bud.
 
2013-06-23 03:21:54 PM  
Eats, shoots, shoes and leaves.
 
2013-06-23 03:27:20 PM  

Di Atribe: great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.

Oh ok. So you know one person who abuses the system, therefore ALL people on Medicaid abuse the system! Why don't you just talk to your SIL & let her know how you disapprove of her money management instead of acting like everyone on government assistance is living high on the hog. You're a real social warrior there, bud.


Oh noes! She bought a 20k car!  I guess she should be forced to drive an old unreliable beater that constantly needs fixing.
 
2013-06-23 03:34:06 PM  

lewismarktwo: Oh noes! She bought a 20k car! I guess she should be forced to drive an old unreliable beater that constantly needs fixing.


Who needs to get to work reliably anyway?
 
2013-06-23 03:49:52 PM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: great_tigers: I wonder how many people buying these 180 dollar pair of shoes are on Medicaid...

You forgot to say, "I'm not racist, but..."


It isn't a race thing at all, you're the one that brought this up. It's a humanity and decency thing. My sister in law is white, on Medicaid and was just cut a check for 20,000 because she hasn't worked in the last four years. She went and bought a car off a lease. If you're on Medicaid I think that your disposable income should be spent on items that could help you get off from sucking the government, not buying 180 dollar pairs of shoes.


And why are you assuming the people in that line are on Medicaid?
 
2013-06-23 03:53:45 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.


You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.
 
2013-06-23 03:53:48 PM  

WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?


How do  you know the robber wasn't armed?  The article doesn't seem to say that.  It doesn't say he was armed, or that he wasn't, either way.
 
2013-06-23 04:08:46 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.

You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.


The fact you're bringing up all those questions itself means even you know they're associated with blacks, so what does it matter if he admits it or not?

I'll make it clear for him though. He's saying acting black because the thugs act like violent animals that will murder someone that gets between them and their err force onez. If they can get the gun out of their pants that happen to hang 2 inches from the ground, that is. Also, err force onez may have been pronounced Air Force Ones, but I may have misheard with all the gold they try to hold in their mouth.
 
2013-06-23 04:17:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: skinink: It's threads like this with the linked story that shows you who the racist are on Fark. More that a few of you have some serious issues.

in what way? Because we're OK with a robber getting shot?

Nah, because they see a bunch of black people in line to buy something expensive and their first thought is, "I wonder how many are on Medicaid?"

Stereotypes don't devolp out of thin air. As I said earlier people with 180 dollar shoes, grills with 3 pounds of gold in them and pants around thier knees tend to make bad economic choices.

You still haven't answered my questions from earlier:

1:  Why do you think a $180 pair of shoes is somehow a greater indicator of the "poor economic decisions" that put someone on welfare than a $700 video game console or a $600 feature phone?

2:  What do you consider, in your words, "acting black"?

And now I'll add a third one:

3: Where are you getting gold grills and pants around the knees from?  Because when I look at the pictures in TFA, I see neither.

/but yeah, you're not racist.




1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.
2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.
3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy
 
2013-06-23 05:47:59 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: 1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.


And you're assuming the people in the line in TFA are poor... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.


Again, you're assuming that they're overspending their income... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy


Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that doesn't necessarily make them the caricature of black people you see on TV, either.

You're making a lot of assumptions of a lot of people that aren't borne out by any evidence, based solely on the fact that they were in line to buy an overpriced consumer product.  I think you should examine these assumptions, and figure out where they are coming from.
 
2013-06-23 07:05:56 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Mid_mo_mad_man: 1 The people buying the 600 dollar IPhone 5 on opening day are techies/apple fanboys. Neither one tend to be poor.

And you're assuming the people in the line in TFA are poor... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2. Well in this case it refers to the overpaying for shoes clothes jewelry etc that exceeds an acceptable amount of thier income.

Again, you're assuming that they're overspending their income... why?

Mid_mo_mad_man: 3. We know people in line for shoes 5plus hours are not shopping Old Navy

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But that doesn't necessarily make them the caricature of black people you see on TV, either.

You're making a lot of assumptions of a lot of people that aren't borne out by any evidence, based solely on the fact that they were in line to buy an overpriced consumer product.  I think you should examine these assumptions, and figure out where they are coming from.


He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.  Frankly, as I stated earlier, I've seen plenty of folks, black and white, in the ghetto that view things like this as status symbols. So, they buy them because they are status symbols.  No different than buying a BMW and drinking fine booze is a status symbol, or living in Central Park West.

We're a materialistic culture, with microcosms of subcultures that view different behavior and items as status symbols. So, to show your place in your particular tribe, you go out and get the things that give you status.  Yeah, it's stupid, and yeah, it's made up of a philosophy that values bling over survival. But it's very real.  And rich or poor, people all the time make poor decisions with money.  Only difference is, people notice when its the folks that don't have a lot of extra to give that blow it on status items.  When you have 40mil and you blow $150k on a BMW, it's not nearly as big as when you have maybe $80k and you blow 50k of it on a Cadillac.

The problem is, as I see it, certain cultures grow up in certain locations, and those cultures tended to stand out because of the coincidental population. What I mean by that is, if you look at a largely blighted ghetto area, the general view of various expensive toys as status symbols are fairly common. However, considering that a vast majority of those ghettos were made by the policies of yesteryear that kept blacks in their own section of town, and were compounded by forced poverty through segregation and discrimination, you have the coincidental existence of a culture that became dependent on crime and government assistance and a population that happened to be predominantly black/hispanic. You saw similar things with Irish ghettos and neighborhoods, where the cultural/tribal behaviors were similar, but the ethnic background was completely different.

Given that discrimination against blacks and hispanics lasted longer than discrimination against the Irish, you have a much larger number of places where the behaviors cut along racial lines.  With the continued wealth disparity and an ingrained cultural sense among those who grew up in poverty of a certain lifestyle and way of doing things, you develop a set of behaviors around it.  Condition generations of people to subsist on welfare programs while not giving them much, if any, support that helps them change their lot in life, you're going to create the very cultural conditions that you decry as "ghetto" and "thug" and make those people the epitome of what you come to hate.

Another example that comes to mind: You take a pitbull, you beat it, you starve it, you treat it like shiat, and it's going to behave aggressively towards anyone it encounters, because it only knows what it considers to be normal treatment, and will lash out and distrust the thing that hurts it. 

Now, I dunno, maybe i'm racist, maybe I'm not. Personally, I have seen groups of all races behave almost identically when it comes to building their own society when they are kept apart from what is considered to be the mainstream of society. Humans are social, and they tend to go by instinct and conditioning. You segregate a part of the population and keep them from joining what is considered to be "normal society" through economic and educational isolation, they're going to figure out a way to survive and build their own thing, which isn't a problem to them, and only becomes a problem when that social order clashes with the rest of the established order.

Bottom line: all of this is circular.  We, or our forbears, isolate certain groups of people for whatever reason. They develop their own culture and their own social norms, including what is considered to be important, leading to the formation of status symbols in their cultural identity.  The members of this new society go out to buy what they've come to regard as status symbols. We then mock them and deride people we perceive to be part of this new society because they are exhibiting certain behaviors or are picking up certain status symbols that relate back to that group, thus breeding more isolation, etc. etc.

Unfortunately, I think we misuse the term "racist" as often times the behaviors being considered to be "Racist" have less to do with race and more to do with viewing a certain society/culture as being inferior or bad. However. "Culturalist" or "tribalist" doesn't seem to have quite the same ring.  I will fully admit to being that, by the way, as I have no problems admitting that I view anyone who eschews a self-dependent way of life and the sense of personal freedom born of not wanting to be closely ingrained in a community setting as stupid/retarded. I loathe people who live in cities and like that type of culture. No matter what race they are, I find that whole way of living to be offensive and wrong.   I know there are certainly others who view the ideals of being willing to commit violence against others, or Hunting, or fishing, or eating meat, or any number of other factors to be equally as wrong, and alien to their chosen tribalistic ideals.
 
2013-06-23 07:35:15 PM  

Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.


He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.
 
2013-06-23 08:13:53 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.


I don't think many people think far enough down to realize that they conflate a general disdain for another type of culture with certain characteristics of race, or how ignorant making such a statement is, given that any one point in the list is not enough points to specifically identify the subject at hand.

But, yes, I agree.
 
2013-06-23 08:22:16 PM  

ZeroPly: WillofJ2: So the robber wasnt armed, was not threatening the guy that shot and killed him, this was not self defense, not stand your ground, simple vigilantism and this guy is a hero?

Yes. If I'm waiting in line and someones being an a-hole, please rest assured that you can shoot them in the face and my recollection of the incident will be very hazy. Due to the fog of confusion, I would never be able to make a positive identification that would get you convicted.

The cops aren't doing too good a job at keeping society polite. But armed nutjobs are. I'm on the fence on this one.


I am not even on the fence about it I think when bad things happen to criminals good riddance, just the fact he is a hero, when the article didnt say much beyond yeah this guy was robbing someone in line, and this guy walks over and shoots him dead and gets back in line, but spent a lot of time talking about the shoes bugs me, did they even take the guy in for questioning?
 
2013-06-23 10:31:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.


It clearly struck a nerve, you cannot honestly tell me that everyone wearing these 180 dollar pair of shoes are self sufficient. Many negative superstitions are based on actual cases.
 
2013-06-24 09:11:32 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: 90supraT: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: His hero status is offset by the fact that he's a grown man waiting in like for sneakers.

Meh, some people collect hubcaps, some collect sneakers. It is a harmless hobby, harmless except for the guy that was shot of course.

Came here to say something like this. I have a small collection of Casio G-Shock watches, so I can't cast stones at those people.

/ AFAIK, nobody's been killed over a G-Shock ( maybe in Japan....)


I just wanted to say that I bought a Gshock years ago and could NEVER get that farking thing programmed...
 
2013-06-24 09:54:50 AM  

great_tigers: HeartBurnKid: Bravo Two: He's entitled to his assumptions and beliefs.

He most certainly is.  And I'm entitled to point out what a load of crap they are.

It clearly struck a nerve, you cannot honestly tell me that everyone wearing these 180 dollar pair of shoes are self sufficient. Many negative superstitions are based on actual cases.


I'm sure some of them are making an unwise decision.  That's true of any purchase.  As for striking a nerve, you're right, it did.  I hate racism and ignorance, and seeing it on a site I frequent does strike a nerve.
 
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