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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Possible Jurassic Park 4 plot details emerge...and it looks like at least one fictional stupid/evil movie corporation finally got their shiat together (for a while, at least)   (aintitcool.com) divider line 80
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2013-06-22 08:50:24 PM
You would think after three movies, they would have learned their lesson and just nuked the islands.
 
2013-06-22 08:59:53 PM
So it's Jaws 3D then.

I find it hard to believe after Malcom and Grant publishing books about what happened in the first movie and a T-Rex rampaging through San Diego in the second that they could get funding/insurance for a new park.
 
2013-06-22 09:15:17 PM
They should bring all the dinosaurs back to life at 1/100th scale.
 
2013-06-22 09:24:12 PM
Holy sh*t, apparently I'd forgotten AICN even existed.
 
2013-06-22 09:25:46 PM
Good dinosaurs vs bad dinosaurs sound kind of cool.
 
2013-06-22 09:26:43 PM
I heard it's going to be called "Billy and the Cloneasaurus".
 
2013-06-22 09:30:55 PM
Pliosaur
 
2013-06-22 09:34:02 PM
Maybe it'll be the Carnosaur from the Lost World book thatis kinda like a chameleon. That would be cool.
 
2013-06-22 09:36:01 PM
Man, just do Dino's in space and get it over with.

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2013-06-22 09:36:11 PM

A Shambling Mound: Holy sh*t, apparently I'd forgotten AICN even existed.


You're not missing anything.
 
2013-06-22 09:37:06 PM
It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...
 
2013-06-22 09:40:40 PM

TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...


I'm going to assume you have never watched a single fiction movie, then?
 
2013-06-22 09:41:46 PM

TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...


I don't think anyone thought it was a documentary even 20 years ago. But if the premise is that they got the DNA from mosquitoes caught in amber, I'm not sure how they could get "aquatic dinosaurs".

The story is from ain-it-cool-news so it's most likely bullshiat anyway.
 
2013-06-22 09:43:47 PM
I'd watch it.  It wouldn't seem unlikely that a company would take control of the first island, review Hammond's notes, say "We've figured out the problem."  open up a park and then find out that they did actually over look a very important detail and lose control of everything.  They at least did the right thing and went back to the first island.  Now, don't bring back past characters.  Hammond, Malcolm, and the two scientists would never again be dumb enough to return.  If they do appear, it should be a cameo protesting the park's existence.  As for why not killing the dinosaurs from helicopters of drones, toss in a Greenpeace like group protesting that action and some senators refusing to allow the destruction of the dinosaurs to explain why they are still there.
 
2013-06-22 09:49:11 PM
If there isn't a scene with little children getting devoured by compsognathids on the beach, I'm not watching.
 
2013-06-22 09:56:19 PM

TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...


I thought DNA only lasted 500 years, not 1,000,000 years.  So we can bring back Lincoln, but Columbus isn't returning.

As for suspension of disbelief, well, we already have three movies, so why not continue?  We know that transporters would only result killing a person, possible the other side receiving a corpse and the location of the beam out becoming the location of a nuclear explosion as every atom in the human body splits as it is torn apart.  But yet, Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.
 
2013-06-22 10:03:48 PM

Great Janitor: Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.


Transporters were a good idea because they couldn't afford a shuttlecraft in the first season. And it is annoying that they never once used it as a weapon.
 
2013-06-22 10:11:49 PM
The kids in the first movie are so annoying that I start pulling for the dinosaurs pretty early on.
 
2013-06-22 10:11:57 PM

Mugato: Great Janitor: Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.

Transporters were a good idea because they couldn't afford a shuttlecraft in the first season. And it is annoying that they never once used it as a weapon.


They did send the tribbles over to the Klingons...
 
2013-06-22 10:13:02 PM
Is this really a thing people over the age of like 10 are exited about? I read the first two books the first was good the second got a B- from me but the movies totally sucked. The first was ok I guess but the second was not good and I didn't bother to see the third one. I'm sure my nephew will be amped but come on the movies are ridiculous kiddie crap and always have been and if you're expecting anything else you're going to be disappointed.
 
2013-06-22 10:20:59 PM

Mugato: Great Janitor: Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.

Transporters were a good idea because they couldn't afford a shuttlecraft in the first season. And it is annoying that they never once used it as a weapon.


Yeah, as a money saving feature, the transporter was awesome.  The more we looked at it we found that it wasn't possible.  As for using it as a weapon, they did transport a torpedo onto a Borg ship once.  Why they never did something like beaming the bridge crew into space once the shields were down, I don't know.  Or, scan the other ship, find the life support processor and beam it away.  "If you want to continue breathing, let's quickly discuss the terms of your unconditional surrender."
 
2013-06-22 10:21:22 PM

kp1230: The kids in the first movie are so annoying that I start pulling for the dinosaurs pretty early on.


It's my axiom that with few exceptions, since Jaws, if a Spielberg movie doesn't have Nazis, it will have at least one annoying kid.

sprag: They did send the tribbles over to the Klingons...


And those tribbles probably died horrible deaths. Funny joke, assholes.
 
2013-06-22 10:21:40 PM

TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...


There's a great TED talk where a scientist explains that what they would have gotten from extracting DNA from mostiquos trapped in amber would have been... mosquito DNA.
 
2013-06-22 10:26:36 PM

TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...


I don't keep up with sciency stuff like I used to, but Netflix had a documentary on paleontologists. Apparently if you grind up bones thin enough to get bone marrow, a solution "temporarily revitalizes" some protein strands. So there is technically biological stuff left after fossilization. It might be the equivalent of table scraps not worth jack crap, but since science always goes forward, there is still that shot in the dark  of "it could happen".

/It's like finding the receipt for your IKEA furniture
//Still won't help you put that together when you have all these missing screws
 
2013-06-22 10:30:14 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Good dinosaurs vs bad dinosaurs sound kind of cool.

 
2013-06-22 10:52:57 PM

Dwight_Yeast: TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...

There's a great TED talk where a scientist explains that what they would have gotten from extracting DNA from mostiquos trapped in amber would have been... mosquito DNA.


they were getting the DNA from the blood that the mosquitos sucked up.  so, yeah, try again..
 
2013-06-22 10:55:08 PM

RepoManTSM: Popcorn Johnny: Good dinosaurs vs bad dinosaurs sound kind of cool.


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2013-06-22 11:08:08 PM
I guess someone played Operation Genesis on Xbox and decided to write a screenplay.
 
2013-06-22 11:09:21 PM
If you never saw the third movie because the second one sucked, you missed a much better movie.

Also, I wish they'd deal with pterodactyls nesting and successfully breeding on the mainland.
 
2013-06-22 11:13:01 PM
fictional stupid/evil movie corporation

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2013-06-22 11:34:16 PM
Firstly, there were no aquatic dinosaurs. In fact, the one defining attribute of the order (upright hip-leg connection) is a very terrestrial characteristic. So again like the ptereosaurs in JP3, they'll be confusing Mesozoic reptiles for dinosaurs, which unfortunately is nothing new.

For those who have read the books, here's a question about The Lost World that's been bugging me for almost 2 decades: why were all the animals on Isla Sorna fully fertile and breeding? Wu explains in the first book that the dinosaurs, in addition to being female, are irradiated in the junk. It's only because they were sloppy with the treatment (probably due to overconfidence from the all-female thing) that a few hermaphrodites were able to reproduce. And even then it was only 4 or 5 species from the dozen they had. But in the sequel, literally every species is made up of males and females and pumping out babies. Levine and Malcolm even argue about how high the birth rate is, and whether it can support the dying-off from the prion epidemic. Crichton didn't even attempt to explain it away like he did with resurrected Malcolm.
 
2013-06-22 11:50:06 PM

What Would Emilio Estevez Do: Firstly, there were no aquatic dinosaurs. In fact, the one defining attribute of the order (upright hip-leg connection) is a very terrestrial characteristic. So again like the ptereosaurs in JP3, they'll be confusing Mesozoic reptiles for dinosaurs, which unfortunately is nothing new.

For those who have read the books, here's a question about The Lost World that's been bugging me for almost 2 decades: why were all the animals on Isla Sorna fully fertile and breeding? Wu explains in the first book that the dinosaurs, in addition to being female, are irradiated in the junk. It's only because they were sloppy with the treatment (probably due to overconfidence from the all-female thing) that a few hermaphrodites were able to reproduce. And even then it was only 4 or 5 species from the dozen they had. But in the sequel, literally every species is made up of males and females and pumping out babies. Levine and Malcolm even argue about how high the birth rate is, and whether it can support the dying-off from the prion epidemic. Crichton didn't even attempt to explain it away like he did with resurrected Malcolm.


look up "parthenogenesis" .. I think it was even mentioned in the book.
 
2013-06-22 11:52:11 PM

HotWingAgenda: If there isn't a scene with little children getting devoured by compsognathids on the beach, I'm not watching.


Why aren't you in hollywood right now?

/seriously. Love it :-)
 
2013-06-22 11:52:59 PM
For those of you complaining that DNA would not be preserved, don't you remember InGen used frog DNA to fill in the missing sections?
 
2013-06-22 11:52:59 PM

Mugato: So it's Jaws 3D then.

I find it hard to believe after Malcom and Grant publishing books about what happened in the first movie and a T-Rex rampaging through San Diego in the second that they could get funding/insurance for a new park.


Once Goldman Sachs figured out how to trade dinosaur default swaps, the industry took off.
 
2013-06-23 12:03:17 AM

TyrantII: Man, just do Dino's in space and get it over with.

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Already been done.
 
2013-06-23 12:16:21 AM

Great Janitor: Mugato: Great Janitor: Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.

Transporters were a good idea because they couldn't afford a shuttlecraft in the first season. And it is annoying that they never once used it as a weapon.

Yeah, as a money saving feature, the transporter was awesome.  The more we looked at it we found that it wasn't possible.  As for using it as a weapon, they did transport a torpedo onto a Borg ship once.  Why they never did something like beaming the bridge crew into space once the shields were down, I don't know.  Or, scan the other ship, find the life support processor and beam it away.  "If you want to continue breathing, let's quickly discuss the terms of your unconditional surrender."


I always assumed that the shields interfered with the transport beam (since they block energy weaponsthey should also block the transporters), so there really shouldn't be any way you can use the transporter to fark with an enemy ship until their shields are down, at which point a few well placed phaser blasts or photon torpedoes will finish them off anyway. Maybe there are some examples of transporters being used while the shields were still up that screw up that theory, but I remember a scene from the Best Both Worlds Part 2 they had to sneak a shuttlecraft inside of the Borg shield in order to be able to transport in and grab Picard.
 
2013-06-23 12:36:25 AM
Great Janitor: As for suspension of disbelief, well, we already have three movies, so why not continue?  We know that transporters would only result killing a person, possible the other side receiving a corpse and the location of the beam out becoming the location of a nuclear explosion as every atom in the human body splits as it is torn apart.  But yet, Star Trek is still enjoyed by many fans, even after we found out that transporters aren't a good idea unless you wanted a weapon that destroyed it's target by killing one person and using their atoms as micro nuclear bombs.

Well, yeah, that's the way a transporter would work - IF it actually converted mass to energy and back again.  The people who did Next Gen and onwards all do indeed seem to subscribe to that idea, which shows what they know.  (Personally, I think all those people grew up with Star Wars and thus have no idea how to do plausible science in science fiction, but that's a whole other argument.)

Getting back to transporters, there *is* another theory of operation, which unfortunately never seems to have gotten trumpeted enough.  Rather than 'converting mass to energy and back again', the transporter scans the object to be transported, determining the exact energy state of every particle in the object - and then induces a Dirac Jump (quantum tunneling) to the new location.  Lots of particles, takes some time and a hellacious amount of computer power.  Which is why transporters didn't amount to much until the Daystrom Duotronic computers became available.  The process is more like a holographic fax machine than a disassembler / reassembler.

As I recall, the original series never bluntly stated that the transporter was actually converting mass to energy and back.  I think the closest that they got was calling it a 'matter / energy scrambler', which admittedly does tend to give the impression that conversion was indeed involved.  Me, I prefer to think that 'matter / energy scrambler' was just a dumbed-down, watered-down catch phrase for the non-technician types, about as precise as when people here talk about 'The Intertubes'.  Or maybe Kirk was trying to mislead aliens he was talking to.

At any rate, I find the scan-and-quantum-tunnel concept of transporter operations to be far more palatable to my current knowledge of physics.  I'm not entirely sure where it originated, but I think it was most explicitly developed by James Blish in his novelizations of the Original Series stories.

It's a fun game, finding plausible explanations for the science (and apparent science errors) in favorite shows - kinda like the old Marvel Comics' 'No-Prizes'.  Two of my favorites re: Star Trek were:

1) Why does the ship's orbit decay so quickly if the engines fail?  Unpowered orbits can be stable for a long time!
Answer:  The Enterprise's 'Standard Parking Orbit' is at less than 16,000 miles above the surface, which would normally take much less than a day to complete an orbit, assuming an Earth-like planet (geosync orbit is around 22,300 miles).  But the Enterprise a) wants to stay over a fixed point to support the landing party, and b) the transporter's range is 16,000 miles.  So they 'hover' in place, over the landing site, and within transporter range, and make it work by using engine power.  So when the engines aren't working, they're in trouble.

2) Why does the ship get shaken up when they take a hit, sending everyone flying?  Shock waves don't travel through a vacuum!  (By the way, why does the ship's artificial gravity never get messed up?)
Answer:  Same answer to both.  When the ship takes a hit, the shields eat a huge amount of power deflecting the energy.  No shock wave - the spike in power consumption by the shields causes a ripple in the internal gravity field, and people go flying.  Just don't ask me why they never used seat belts ;-)

Yeah, I know.  TL;DR.  Sorry, but your comments re: the transporter pushed my button, and the diatribe just had to come out.  I had these worked out back in the late '60's, and I am always amazed that it still gets argued around.  They seem fairly obvious to me.

Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to sound off, and my apologies for the wall of text.
 
2013-06-23 12:39:04 AM
Uh, you do plan to have DINOSAURS... in your dinosaur movie?
 
2013-06-23 12:47:37 AM

What Would Emilio Estevez Do: Firstly, there were no aquatic dinosaurs.


That's what I was coming in here to say.

kp1230: The kids in the first movie are so annoying that I start pulling for the dinosaurs pretty early on.


Tim may have been a whiny kid, but as an adult, he was a badass.(NSFW Language)
 
2013-06-23 01:00:16 AM

AeAe: Dwight_Yeast: TexanBoy: It's kind of a dated concept now that we collectively know it's impossible to clone dinosaurs, isn't it? Didn't they figure out last year that DNA can only last 1million years tops? Unless y'all know something I don't, I don't think I can suspend my disbelief anymore...

There's a great TED talk where a scientist explains that what they would have gotten from extracting DNA from mostiquos trapped in amber would have been... mosquito DNA.

they were getting the DNA from the blood that the mosquitos sucked up.  so, yeah, try again..


And you missed his point: drill into a multi-million year old mosquito trapped in amber, you stand almost no chance of finding dino DNA and a 100% chance of finding mosquito DNA.

He was talking about how to create a dinoaur today, and his suggestion was: a chicken.
 
2013-06-23 01:02:18 AM

Mugato: So it's Jaws 3D then.

I find it hard to believe after Malcom and Grant publishing books about what happened in the first movie and a T-Rex rampaging through San Diego in the second that they could get funding/insurance for a new park.


I find it hard to believe Malcom farking CAME BACK TO LIFE.

I never saw the movies, just read the books in middle school (an extra in a play, so... lot of free time backstage, and there were few books there.)

I remember reading the second book, getting to Malcom again, and going 'Buhwhah? But..' *Goes to pick up first book* ".. Yes. Okay. He *does* die. WHAT THE HELL?"
 
2013-06-23 01:12:32 AM
That idea sounds like:

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2013-06-23 01:39:15 AM
My hopes at not high.
 
2013-06-23 01:44:22 AM
"Unconfirmed plot details have emerged..."
Stopped reading right there.
 
2013-06-23 02:36:56 AM

texdent: You would think after three movies, they would have learned their lesson and just nuked the islands.


Isla Nublar was pretty thoroughly bombed by the Costa Rican military at the end of the book. It was alluded that a couple of dinosaurs (compies) got off the island though.
 
2013-06-23 02:57:31 AM
Intelligent Dinos? They're gonna use Troodons then? (I have two young s and have watched far too much Dinosaur Train).
 
2013-06-23 03:52:40 AM

Felgraf: Mugato: So it's Jaws 3D then.

I find it hard to believe after Malcom and Grant publishing books about what happened in the first movie and a T-Rex rampaging through San Diego in the second that they could get funding/insurance for a new park.

I find it hard to believe Malcom farking CAME BACK TO LIFE.

I never saw the movies, just read the books in middle school (an extra in a play, so... lot of free time backstage, and there were few books there.)

I remember reading the second book, getting to Malcom again, and going 'Buhwhah? But..' *Goes to pick up first book* ".. Yes. Okay. He *does* die. WHAT THE HELL?"


It was if the first chapter of The Lost World that the miracle of SCIENCE AND THE U.S. HEALTH SYSTEM brought Malcolm back to life. I did buy a non-original print of Jurassic Park, and they technically do bring Malcolm's body off the island (Not sure if it was in the original run).

It was stated in a interview that Chritchton only did the second book because Hollywood was throwing duffel bags of cash at him. A stipulation was everyone had to come back. As I stated earlier, the plothole of Malcolm not being dino chow did let him come back.
 
2013-06-23 03:57:08 AM
So....Dinosaur Transformers?
 
2013-06-23 04:01:34 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Felgraf: Mugato: So it's Jaws 3D then.

I find it hard to believe after Malcom and Grant publishing books about what happened in the first movie and a T-Rex rampaging through San Diego in the second that they could get funding/insurance for a new park.

I find it hard to believe Malcom farking CAME BACK TO LIFE.

I never saw the movies, just read the books in middle school (an extra in a play, so... lot of free time backstage, and there were few books there.)

I remember reading the second book, getting to Malcom again, and going 'Buhwhah? But..' *Goes to pick up first book* ".. Yes. Okay. He *does* die. WHAT THE HELL?"

It was if the first chapter of The Lost World that the miracle of SCIENCE AND THE U.S. HEALTH SYSTEM brought Malcolm back to life. I did buy a non-original print of Jurassic Park, and they technically do bring Malcolm's body off the island (Not sure if it was in the original run).

It was stated in a interview that Chritchton only did the second book because Hollywood was throwing duffel bags of cash at him. A stipulation was everyone had to come back. As I stated earlier, the plothole of Malcolm not being dino chow did let him come back.


Life finds a way.
 
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