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2013-06-22 11:15:11 PM  
12 votes:
If you shoot a police dog don't they consider that the same as shooting a police officer? I love the double standard.
2013-06-22 11:22:58 PM  
7 votes:
Oh and if you shoot a K9 police dog when they are coming at you, I'm sure the police dept will be just as understanding.  Yeah.  It's a felony.
2013-06-22 11:14:07 PM  
6 votes:

spidermilk: Didn't care until I saw it was a German Shepherd. Cops are stupid. I'm from the town where the cops shot the caged dogs when they entered a guy's house to raid for non-existent drugs. So *extremely* paranoid about the police shooting my scary-looking dog. Luckily, the only time my dog has met the police it was the canine officer and he was positively *in love* with my dog (who was restrained in the back seat of my car).

That said- dear everyone: I love my dog, I really do, and having your dog shot would be horrible and this was totally senseless and unnecessary and is EXTREMELY upsetting. That said, having your dog shot isn't the same as losing a kid. I don't even have kids, but COME ON losing a child would be infinitely worse than losing your dog. Do you know people who have had a child die? For farks sake.


For some of us, our four-footed pack members ARE our children, particularly for those of us who can't/shouldn't have human kids. Just because you don't love your critters as much doesn't mean other people don't include them as family members, as was clearly shown in TFA.

Personally, I'd shoot the officer. He was comin' right at me, and I was in fear for my life. It's incredibly sad that the department at first offered to pay for the vet bills, then rescinded the offer when they found out monetarily just how hard they farked up - leading to the dog being put to sleep due only to prohibitive cost. I hope they sue and win infinity money, paid for by loser cop for the rest of his miserable life.
2013-06-23 01:37:08 AM  
4 votes:
What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?
2013-06-22 10:49:43 PM  
4 votes:

TheZorker: Wow.

Just wow.

In some families, there'd be a revenge killing for this. Some people might consider it justified.


exactly. The city can always just rent more cops.
2013-06-22 10:46:54 PM  
4 votes:
Were you robbed? Were you in a car accident?  Call the cops cuz you need a file number for your insurance claim.  Guard your language carefully.

Other than that?  Vampire can't come into your house unless you invite him in so why would you invite him in?
2013-06-23 02:09:25 AM  
3 votes:

ReapTheChaos: No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things. I remember one particular summer night a group of friends were partying out by the lake, a couple of cops showed up and because we were all underage they confiscated our beer. They found a few joints a few of the guys had on them and they took them, crushed them up and tossed them around the ground. They told us to keep the noise down if we were going to stay there and said have a good night as they left.

These days all of us would have been busted for underage drinking, public intoxication, drug possession, disturbing the peace and a dozen other charges and we would have all ended up with permanent records. I could tell dozens of other stories like this as well. No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.


Exactly.

I was 14, caught drinking a 30 pack of beer on school campus with a 15 year old illegally driving.

We were giving 3 days of on campus suspension.

Today, you'd have a criminal record, be broke from having to pay all the fines and never be able to start your life.  I will never call the cops on a kid.  Period.
2013-06-23 12:23:26 AM  
3 votes:

omeganuepsilon: I've been attacked by some pretty damn big dogs. Can scare the shiat right out of you, not to mention make you twitchy whenever you come into a similar circumstance with a barking dog charging you, it's kind of hard-wired into us, fight or flight.


I had both my arms and part of my torso mauled by two dogs in fear for their lives.

The owner had choker chains on them. They were playing and one got his paw twisted in the others chain.

This lead to one dog being choked to death while the other dog's paw was being literally crushed. These two completely harmless and sweet (but large) dogs had grown and lived together and were brothers in every sense. They were trying to kill each other out of a natural reaction to pain and complete fear and panic.

So I had two choices: Shoot one, or try to get the collars off.
I was mauled up pretty bad before I got the choker pulled over the one dog's head.

I don't get praised by my town every farking turn around. No one gives me parades or medals. I'm not referred to as "The brave and heroic MurphyMurphy" and nor should I be.

In those who wish to serve the public and want all that comes with the job, they need to understand as a cop they are putting themselves on the line. This means you may be in a situation where you have to risk your own ass for the public good. Otherwise all the praise and support is really meaningless.

What the fark is so brave about walking around dictating law and shooting everything that frightens you?
Where is this written as being a police officers duty?

That means not shooting everything that scares or threatens you.

/I was a young 20something at the time
//when I showed up at the office bandaged up and people heard the story, I swear, you could hear the panties getting moist :P
///you would be SHOCKED at how fast a dog can perforate you when he's in life/death mode!
2013-06-23 12:10:07 AM  
3 votes:
It's getting to the point now where we'd all be so much safer without any cops, with everyone just handling their affairs themselves.

And that's BAD!  That would be a terrible, awful, ridiculously bad idea on a massive scale.  And yet, it may still be superior to dealing with the police forces running rampant and above the law in this country.

So yeah, we're screwed.
2013-06-23 12:03:02 AM  
3 votes:
The important thing is that the kid now knows that if he runs away, a stranger will violently murder his pet.

Bet they could turn that into a PSA or something.
2013-06-22 11:22:13 PM  
3 votes:
Nguyen says at first the police department offered to pay for the veterinary bill, but after learning it would cost $7,000, the offer was rescinded.

Nice. Sure, we will pay for the bill. OMG..7K ? um..nevermind.

/classy.
2013-06-22 11:08:35 PM  
3 votes:
Is it just me or do cops seem to actively look for opportunities to shoot family pets?
2013-06-22 10:53:40 PM  
3 votes:
The uncle dropped off a chihuahua to help deal with the loss? Seems more like punishment to me.

/terrible story
//fakkin cops
2013-06-22 10:47:32 PM  
3 votes:
Wow.

Just wow.

In some families, there'd be a revenge killing for this. Some people might consider it justified.
2013-06-22 09:47:08 PM  
3 votes:
Wow. Given how many feel about dogs being members of their families, that's pretty close to the police shooting a kid and then saying to the parents, "Just make another one."

Stay classy, El Monte PD.
2013-06-23 12:16:13 AM  
2 votes:
I'm not a cop hater and I don't mean to sound like an Internet tough guy, but if ANYONE messes with my dogs like that, they will pay.  In blood.
2013-06-23 12:12:49 AM  
2 votes:
People, the powers that be need it to be like this. They need the police to be militarized. They need the police and us to dispise and mistrust each other. It's all in their training doctrine and culture.
2013-06-22 11:52:57 PM  
2 votes:
Sue the dept and sue the officers individually.

/they'll settle
//they don't want these going to trial
2013-06-22 11:09:45 PM  
2 votes:

Tryfan: Every one of these stories just turns people against the police more and more, which just makes their jobs harder and more dangerous. If there was any brains in their leadership they would be reviewing this shoot dogs on sight policy.


The thing is, the more they turn people against them, the harder (and more dangerous) their job is, so they get more aggressive and violent, then they turn even more people against them. Frankly, in the US, escalating violence is pretty much the only thing police do other than generating revenue. There are good cops out there, but they're becoming fewer and farther between as departments tolerate this kind of behavior.
2013-06-22 11:07:46 PM  
2 votes:
Every one of these stories just turns people against the police more and more, which just makes their jobs harder and more dangerous. If there was any brains in their leadership they would be reviewing this shoot dogs on sight policy.
2013-06-22 10:55:48 PM  
2 votes:
"You can just hire another one."
2013-06-23 07:31:06 PM  
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Cops are dumber than dogs!


So are most of the people I meet...
2013-06-23 08:08:50 AM  
1 votes:
You have a missing child, and you're expecting the police to come by.  Knowing full well you're going to have a visitor, how hard would it have been to put the dog on a run for a few hours?  When you have a growly aggressive dog that warrants the use of "Beware of Dog" signs, it's unreasonable to put the burden on public servants who are trying to help you out to just call first.

Buy a new one and train it from a puppy not to be a growly aggressive idiot of a dog.  ALL blame is on the irresponsible owners in this case.
2013-06-23 03:20:29 AM  
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: omeganuepsilon: ReapTheChaos: No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.

No, the media highlighting the bad ones is what's happened in the last 10-15 years(approx).

There are plenty of good cops out there, but you never hear about them.  In any given career you've got unsavory types and you've got some genuinely decent people.

It's like claiming all teachers or priests are pedophiles.
Newsflash:  Anecdotal evidence + sensational news stories =\= a representative sampling

Honestly, I'll never quite get how you can point out the very obvious prejudice of some of the people here and it's blatantly ignored in favor of the current flavor of outrage.

Of course, this thread isn't as obvious as one concerning, say, crime on the part of a civilian.  Say, drugs.  A lot of people hold a grudge against cops because the people in question ....gasp....were caught with drugs.  As if the cop is a bad guy for enforcing the law. [hint:  if you don't like the law, hating the cop is like shooting the messenger, get involved in government and try to get it changed]  But you know, a LOT of those same people frequent every cop thread they can find just to lend their vote of "cops suck" to the pool.  That's how you rally peopole to a cause.  If you can't do it on your own turf, borrow someone else's agenda.

Media coverage has nothing to do with the fact that an alarming number of kids these days have permanent juvenile records for stupid shiat that just 10-15 years ago wouldn't have happened. When I was that age you pretty much had to rob a store at gunpoint to get a juvie record, barring that the worst thing the cops would do if they caught you would be to drive you home and tell your parents what you did. Now they bust them for smoking a cigarette, underage drinking or arrest them for public disturbance if they get a little rambunctious in the mall.

It's like these stupid schools suspending a kid for pointing his fingers ...


There are a few more factors in that. Law enforcement departments also get pressure from citizens, politicians, the media, etc. after the hysteria of an incident like Sandy Hook, or even with just run of the mill crimes, to crack down and combat the problem, which goes down through the ranks, putting further pressures on your patrol officers to come up with some magical silver bullet and increase enforcement on the issue of the month. There are also a lot more laws on the books now than there were "back in the day", with tougher proscriptions on penalties and states' legislatures wanting a "zero tolerance" policy on certain offenses. Ask any officer that started twenty, twenty-five, thirty years ago, the law books have expanded exponentially.

Not defending what happened with this incident or any abuse of power. It seems that there were a few people that failed the dog in that situation, she saw an invader, only wanted to protect her family and knew no better.
2013-06-23 03:06:37 AM  
1 votes:
If they called the police to their home, they should have restrained the dog, period. My female German shepherd could have easily cleared our fence (in her heyday) and because of an intense hatred for the mailman/woman, would go after anyone in uniform. However, seeing as shepherds are such a popular breed, and dogs in general such a popular pet, you'd think they would have some sort of training regarding dogs and their body language. Some common sense wouldn't hurt either!
2013-06-23 02:18:03 AM  
1 votes:

rustypouch: The internet tough guys come out.

I guess if you can't get affection except from an animal you train to like you, losing that might be rough.

But as TFA said, get a new one. There are places almost overrun with dogs, trying to give them away, and the ones that aren't given away get killed, which puts their value into perspective.


Just like children, yet if you shoot one of those annoying little whiners, you get charged with murder...
2013-06-23 02:02:56 AM  
1 votes:

bwilson27: OBBN: What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?

The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always.
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.


No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things. I remember one particular summer night a group of friends were partying out by the lake, a couple of cops showed up and because we were all underage they confiscated our beer. They found a few joints a few of the guys had on them and they took them, crushed them up and tossed them around the ground. They told us to keep the noise down if we were going to stay there and said have a good night as they left.

These days all of us would have been busted for underage drinking, public intoxication, drug possession, disturbing the peace and a dozen other charges and we would have all ended up with permanent records. I could tell dozens of other stories like this as well. No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.
2013-06-23 01:44:09 AM  
1 votes:

OBBN: What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?


The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always. 
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.
2013-06-23 01:17:12 AM  
1 votes:
why don't cops use a taser on dogs?
2013-06-23 01:15:02 AM  
1 votes:
Yet shoot a COP dog and be sentenced to MURDER.
Sounds fair.
2013-06-23 12:39:26 AM  
1 votes:

emonk: Bumblefark: The important thing is that the kid now knows that if he runs away, a stranger will violently murder his pet.

Bet they could turn that into a PSA or something.

Wandered in to post more-or-less this.

Could be a spoiled and naive 14-yr-old making a statement, or parents that mistake a bored kid for a runaway or a House of Living Hell for the teenager.  Hard to tell.


No...unfortunately if they were calling the police it's pretty damn likely that this family has already been involved with the police over this particular kid. I'm not going to get into how I know this, but when teenagers start to run amuck, parents are still responsible for their actions/damages. This starts getting problematic when you have a 14-17yr old who can do some serious damage to property or citizens and is possibly larger than their parents.

 Usually what happens is the parents have already had to deal with the police/court system for this kid already. Kid does something, parents are told they have to pay for it. Parents say, "Okay fine, but he won't listen to me, I'm not capable of forcing him to stay home. What do I do?" Police/Court systems says "Okay, fair enough. If he doesn't listen to you and goes out anyway, call us and we'll go get him." Kid then knows that disobeying parents will get him into more trouble with the law. This is particularly true if the kid appears to "run away", you are supposed to call that in asap. (Forgot exactly why, but there's some legalese to it.)

 Naturally this sort of thing only goes on when there has been a feces rotational air flow device interface within the family.

 Losing the dog too is just making the family situation that more farked up. Kid might even be blamed for it next time they have a shouting match over whether or not he's going out somewhere.

/family did do the right thing calling the cops, but if they knew the dog was a potential problem they should've secured it after calling the police. An extra 20 minutes or so of being kenneled is not a big deal.
//doesn't excuse the cop though if he knew to call ahead about the dog.
2013-06-23 12:28:50 AM  
1 votes:

rustypouch: The internet tough guys come out.

I guess if you can't get affection except from an animal you train to like you, losing that might be rough.

But as TFA said, get a new one. There are places almost overrun with dogs, trying to give them away, and the ones that aren't given away get killed, which puts their value into perspective.


Hope you don't get convicted of theft in a sharia law country, you'd lose the only thing that could be trained to love you. And I'm guessing that took some time!
2013-06-23 12:26:46 AM  
1 votes:
If you post a "beware of dog" sign, are you acknowledging that you own a aggressive dog? Does that put you at greater legal risk if the dog bites someone or that then the cops can shoot it if it runs toward them?

/ sad that the family is going through enough with the 14 yr old and now they have the loss of their pet
2013-06-23 12:14:02 AM  
1 votes:

basemetal: Sue the dept and sue the officers individually.

/they'll settle
//they don't want these going to trial


Officer can stand on feeling threatened by a charging, unattended dog (which appears to be the case on their own surveillance footage) and when he's threatened he felt compelled to take action.  Crappy thing to go down but if you have the police in your home keep your dogs tight on a lead or put them in another room.

/And the 'Beware of Dog' sign means squat as they seem to bring it up ad nausem in TFA.
2013-06-23 12:04:18 AM  
1 votes:

TheZorker: Wow.

Just wow.

In some families, there'd be a revenge killing for this. Some people might consider it justified.


I'm say something would be justified.
I think there are laws that prevent me from saying what.

There is no legal process to protect us from these fascists. Not one that isn't rigged for the cop every time.
And bullies do not stop until you show them they too can be hurt
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2013-06-22 11:52:33 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Is it just me or do cops seem to actively look for opportunities to shoot family pets?


a cycle of violence is good for the privatized prison industry,
2013-06-22 11:40:20 PM  
1 votes:

spidermilk: I can't believe the department wouldn't pay $7000 in vet bills


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2013-06-22 11:40:08 PM  
1 votes:

Tryfan: Every one of these stories just turns people against the police more and more, which just makes their jobs harder and more dangerous. If there was any brains in their leadership they would be reviewing this shoot dogs on sight policy.


Police with properly functioning brains don't exist so there's no chance of that happening.
2013-06-22 11:36:35 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Is it just me or do cops seem to actively look for opportunities to shoot family pets?


Yes.
2013-06-22 11:27:40 PM  
1 votes:

Vector R: spidermilk: Didn't care until I saw it was a German Shepherd. Cops are stupid. I'm from the town where the cops shot the caged dogs when they entered a guy's house to raid for non-existent drugs. So *extremely* paranoid about the police shooting my scary-looking dog. Luckily, the only time my dog has met the police it was the canine officer and he was positively *in love* with my dog (who was restrained in the back seat of my car).

That said- dear everyone: I love my dog, I really do, and having your dog shot would be horrible and this was totally senseless and unnecessary and is EXTREMELY upsetting. That said, having your dog shot isn't the same as losing a kid. I don't even have kids, but COME ON losing a child would be infinitely worse than losing your dog. Do you know people who have had a child die? For farks sake.

For some of us, our four-footed pack members ARE our children, particularly for those of us who can't/shouldn't have human kids. Just because you don't love your critters as much doesn't mean other people don't include them as family members, as was clearly shown in TFA.

Personally, I'd shoot the officer. He was comin' right at me, and I was in fear for my life. It's incredibly sad that the department at first offered to pay for the vet bills, then rescinded the offer when they found out monetarily just how hard they farked up - leading to the dog being put to sleep due only to prohibitive cost. I hope they sue and win infinity money, paid for by loser cop for the rest of his miserable life.


I guess I will never know unless I have a kid and they die. I agree with you that different people can experience completely different emotions, so I believe you that to some people losing a pet would be the same as losing a child. What I should have said is that I don't feel that way. I love my dog and I have loved my pets that have died in the past, but I have lost a very close friend when we were both 20 and it was absolutely nothing like losing a pet. I cannot imagine losing a child.

It doesn't make the cops shooting the dog any less bad, there should be some kind of punishment- it is scary to think that people who have weapons and are authorized to use them would have such terrible judgement.

I can't believe the department wouldn't pay $7000 in vet bills, that is just more shiat icing on the shiat cake. How much did they think it would be for something so serious?
2013-06-22 11:19:32 PM  
1 votes:
We got more cops and police academies are only like 6-700 hours total course time. We can mint cops faster than just about any other profession.

Kick these guys to the curb and forever blacklist them from law enforcement. Hanging them and/or tying them to a pillory and scourging them unconscious, while totally deserved, falls outside of the constitution rights of everyone in the country. (but if this was Rome...)
2013-06-22 11:15:27 PM  
1 votes:
I know my GED in law is showing, but wasn't there a major court case sometime in the last year or so where the judge determined that it was legal to sue for the emotional value of a killed family pet instead of the replacement cost?
2013-06-22 11:11:11 PM  
1 votes:
The dogs ears are down, running around tail wagging does not look like "ATTACK" and unless it can lunge through the fence at him I fail to see why shooting it helped anything. Beyond his need to kill something that day.
2013-06-22 11:08:49 PM  
1 votes:

inclemency: The uncle dropped off a chihuahua to help deal with the loss? Seems more like punishment to me.


When people are grieving, it's customary to bring something for them to snack on?
2013-06-22 11:03:49 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't care until I saw it was a German Shepherd. Cops are stupid. I'm from the town where the cops shot the caged dogs when they entered a guy's house to raid for non-existent drugs. So *extremely* paranoid about the police shooting my scary-looking dog. Luckily, the only time my dog has met the police it was the canine officer and he was positively *in love* with my dog (who was restrained in the back seat of my car).

That said- dear everyone: I love my dog, I really do, and having your dog shot would be horrible and this was totally senseless and unnecessary and is EXTREMELY upsetting. That said, having your dog shot isn't the same as losing a kid. I don't even have kids, but COME ON losing a child would be infinitely worse than losing your dog. Do you know people who have had a child die? For farks sake.
 
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