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2013-06-23 12:19:40 AM  
The internet tough guys come out.

I guess if you can't get affection except from an animal you train to like you, losing that might be rough.

But as TFA said, get a new one. There are places almost overrun with dogs, trying to give them away, and the ones that aren't given away get killed, which puts their value into perspective.
 
2013-06-23 12:23:26 AM  

omeganuepsilon: I've been attacked by some pretty damn big dogs. Can scare the shiat right out of you, not to mention make you twitchy whenever you come into a similar circumstance with a barking dog charging you, it's kind of hard-wired into us, fight or flight.


I had both my arms and part of my torso mauled by two dogs in fear for their lives.

The owner had choker chains on them. They were playing and one got his paw twisted in the others chain.

This lead to one dog being choked to death while the other dog's paw was being literally crushed. These two completely harmless and sweet (but large) dogs had grown and lived together and were brothers in every sense. They were trying to kill each other out of a natural reaction to pain and complete fear and panic.

So I had two choices: Shoot one, or try to get the collars off.
I was mauled up pretty bad before I got the choker pulled over the one dog's head.

I don't get praised by my town every farking turn around. No one gives me parades or medals. I'm not referred to as "The brave and heroic MurphyMurphy" and nor should I be.

In those who wish to serve the public and want all that comes with the job, they need to understand as a cop they are putting themselves on the line. This means you may be in a situation where you have to risk your own ass for the public good. Otherwise all the praise and support is really meaningless.

What the fark is so brave about walking around dictating law and shooting everything that frightens you?
Where is this written as being a police officers duty?

That means not shooting everything that scares or threatens you.

/I was a young 20something at the time
//when I showed up at the office bandaged up and people heard the story, I swear, you could hear the panties getting moist :P
///you would be SHOCKED at how fast a dog can perforate you when he's in life/death mode!
 
2013-06-23 12:24:12 AM  

Bumblefark: The important thing is that the kid now knows that if he runs away, a stranger will violently murder his pet.

Bet they could turn that into a PSA or something.


Wandered in to post more-or-less this.

Could be a spoiled and naive 14-yr-old making a statement, or parents that mistake a bored kid for a runaway or a House of Living Hell for the teenager.  Hard to tell.
 
2013-06-23 12:24:49 AM  

Bumblefark: The important thing is that the kid now knows that if he runs away, a stranger will violently murder his pet.

Bet they could turn that into a PSA or something.


Ah crap I shouldn't have laughed at that....

/I couldn't help it though.
 
2013-06-23 12:26:46 AM  
If you post a "beware of dog" sign, are you acknowledging that you own a aggressive dog? Does that put you at greater legal risk if the dog bites someone or that then the cops can shoot it if it runs toward them?

/ sad that the family is going through enough with the 14 yr old and now they have the loss of their pet
 
2013-06-23 12:27:46 AM  
Great!  So now can we use this as precedence if we kill a K-9 dog?

"Meh.  Just buy another one!"

I despise dogs and I think this is friggin' BS.  If I had emotions, I would conjure up mild anger.
 
2013-06-23 12:28:50 AM  

rustypouch: The internet tough guys come out.

I guess if you can't get affection except from an animal you train to like you, losing that might be rough.

But as TFA said, get a new one. There are places almost overrun with dogs, trying to give them away, and the ones that aren't given away get killed, which puts their value into perspective.


Hope you don't get convicted of theft in a sharia law country, you'd lose the only thing that could be trained to love you. And I'm guessing that took some time!
 
2013-06-23 12:39:26 AM  

emonk: Bumblefark: The important thing is that the kid now knows that if he runs away, a stranger will violently murder his pet.

Bet they could turn that into a PSA or something.

Wandered in to post more-or-less this.

Could be a spoiled and naive 14-yr-old making a statement, or parents that mistake a bored kid for a runaway or a House of Living Hell for the teenager.  Hard to tell.


No...unfortunately if they were calling the police it's pretty damn likely that this family has already been involved with the police over this particular kid. I'm not going to get into how I know this, but when teenagers start to run amuck, parents are still responsible for their actions/damages. This starts getting problematic when you have a 14-17yr old who can do some serious damage to property or citizens and is possibly larger than their parents.

 Usually what happens is the parents have already had to deal with the police/court system for this kid already. Kid does something, parents are told they have to pay for it. Parents say, "Okay fine, but he won't listen to me, I'm not capable of forcing him to stay home. What do I do?" Police/Court systems says "Okay, fair enough. If he doesn't listen to you and goes out anyway, call us and we'll go get him." Kid then knows that disobeying parents will get him into more trouble with the law. This is particularly true if the kid appears to "run away", you are supposed to call that in asap. (Forgot exactly why, but there's some legalese to it.)

 Naturally this sort of thing only goes on when there has been a feces rotational air flow device interface within the family.

 Losing the dog too is just making the family situation that more farked up. Kid might even be blamed for it next time they have a shouting match over whether or not he's going out somewhere.

/family did do the right thing calling the cops, but if they knew the dog was a potential problem they should've secured it after calling the police. An extra 20 minutes or so of being kenneled is not a big deal.
//doesn't excuse the cop though if he knew to call ahead about the dog.
 
2013-06-23 12:45:45 AM  

WhoGAS: Great!  So now can we use this as precedence if we kill a K-9 dog?

"Meh.  Just buy another one!"

I despise dogs and I think this is friggin' BS.  If I had emotions, I would conjure up mild anger.


I forget exactly how much they cost...but trained police dogs run several thousand dollars.

 The dogs themselves generally come from good working lines in Europe. Cost a couple grand just for the puppy.

 The training costs another few grand.

 Not sure, but the $7K price tag they balked at may be lower than what it costs to get them a dog.

/again, not an excuse, just an interesting factoid.
 
2013-06-23 01:15:02 AM  
Yet shoot a COP dog and be sentenced to MURDER.
Sounds fair.
 
2013-06-23 01:17:12 AM  
why don't cops use a taser on dogs?
 
2013-06-23 01:17:52 AM  
 This instantly came to mind...


http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3uydfn/
 
2013-06-23 01:37:08 AM  
What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?
 
2013-06-23 01:44:09 AM  

OBBN: What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?


The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always. 
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.
 
2013-06-23 01:49:16 AM  

alfuso: why don't cops use a taser on dogs?


Some do.... Though it probably depends a lot on training and policy if they're allowed to. Did the officers from this one even have them? I didn't see any in the video, but it could have been the angle.
 
2013-06-23 02:02:56 AM  

bwilson27: OBBN: What the hell has happened? I clearly remember being a child and how I felt about police officers. I was in awe of them, they were the ones I could look up to, they were the ones who protected me and everyone I cared about. These guys were the best men and women in the world, someone who you could always look to as an example of good. Fast forward a few decades and I can't see a cop now without feeling distrust and maybe even a bit of fear. When did they go from hero to bums? It's so sad that the very people and the very profession that I looked up to as a child have ended up at this point. I say with all seriousness that it truly makes me sad.

  I can remember my parents telling me if I ever got lost or need help to find a policeman, he/she would be there to help. Just a few days ago I told my children, don't under any circumstances tell a cop anything beyond your name. If one is asking you questions you're to ask for your parents and not answer anything until I get there. What a sad, sad state. Cops, are you listening? Is your individual need to be a government endorsed bully more important to you than having the pride of being the one on the side of justice and good? My God, just take a look at what you and your "brothers"have become, is that truly the men you want to be?

The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always.
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.


No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things. I remember one particular summer night a group of friends were partying out by the lake, a couple of cops showed up and because we were all underage they confiscated our beer. They found a few joints a few of the guys had on them and they took them, crushed them up and tossed them around the ground. They told us to keep the noise down if we were going to stay there and said have a good night as they left.

These days all of us would have been busted for underage drinking, public intoxication, drug possession, disturbing the peace and a dozen other charges and we would have all ended up with permanent records. I could tell dozens of other stories like this as well. No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.
 
2013-06-23 02:04:15 AM  

bwilson27: The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always.


Yes, police are well known for their resistance to gradual deformation by shear stress or tensile stress.
 
2013-06-23 02:07:11 AM  

cuzsis: WhoGAS: Great!  So now can we use this as precedence if we kill a K-9 dog?

"Meh.  Just buy another one!"

I despise dogs and I think this is friggin' BS.  If I had emotions, I would conjure up mild anger.

I forget exactly how much they cost...but trained police dogs run several thousand dollars.

 The dogs themselves generally come from good working lines in Europe. Cost a couple grand just for the puppy.

 The training costs another few grand.

 Not sure, but the $7K price tag they balked at may be lower than what it costs to get them a dog.

/again, not an excuse, just an interesting factoid.


Very true and a non-police trained German Shepherd (German Shepherd was killed) can cost as much as $24,000.  http://www.dogcentral.info/worlds-10-expensive-dog-breeds/  I don't know how much they paid, but like you said, those dogs can start in the thousands.  The pet store here has one for $3,500 with no real breeding papers.

Also an interesting factoid.
 
2013-06-23 02:09:25 AM  

ReapTheChaos: No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things. I remember one particular summer night a group of friends were partying out by the lake, a couple of cops showed up and because we were all underage they confiscated our beer. They found a few joints a few of the guys had on them and they took them, crushed them up and tossed them around the ground. They told us to keep the noise down if we were going to stay there and said have a good night as they left.

These days all of us would have been busted for underage drinking, public intoxication, drug possession, disturbing the peace and a dozen other charges and we would have all ended up with permanent records. I could tell dozens of other stories like this as well. No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.


Exactly.

I was 14, caught drinking a 30 pack of beer on school campus with a 15 year old illegally driving.

We were giving 3 days of on campus suspension.

Today, you'd have a criminal record, be broke from having to pay all the fines and never be able to start your life.  I will never call the cops on a kid.  Period.
 
2013-06-23 02:16:11 AM  

MurphyMurphy: ///you would be SHOCKED at how fast a dog can perforate you when he's in life/death mode!


No, I wouldn't be.  That's kind of why I brought it up.

Good for you, you didn't lose your shiat.  However, all of humanity is not like you.

MurphyMurphy: What the fark is so brave about walking around dictating law and shooting everything that frightens you?
Where is this written as being a police officers duty?


Everything?  This is one incident.  And dictating law?  How is that relevant at all?
I see you're one of those people with the check list, prejudice as any racist or gay-hating bigot, only it's about cops.  Carry on.

cuzsis: /family did do the right thing calling the cops, but if they knew the dog was a potential problem they should've secured it after calling the police. An extra 20 minutes or so of being kenneled is not a big deal.


This.  And while this is a reply to you, not all of the content is directed at you, fyi.

People seem to forget that dogs are still just animals.(and so are people for that matter).  They can and do go nuts at the drop of a hat as MurphyMurphy pointed out above.  Things can get dangerous in a heartbeat.

Humans are sometimes held to unreasonable standards as well.  We still have irrational fears and atavistic responses to things that our subconscious deems dangerous.
Factor in the training a cop gets, to protect himself, to rapidly respond to danger, an you've got a situation where stupid shiat is going to happen eventually.

Not condoning it, but I can't outright fault someone if that's what happened either.  Bad shiat happens, and sometimes it's not because someone was an asshole, but because we're all animals when you get down to it.

Grand and lofty ideals cannot stop that. There is no magical foolproof way to circumvent our instincts no matter how much you pray.

/and as I said before  Maybe the guy was an asshole.  I don't know, I don't have all the facts. What I'm saying is, that it's prejudice(some may need to look up the term) to pretend that you know exactly what happened.
 
2013-06-23 02:18:03 AM  

rustypouch: The internet tough guys come out.

I guess if you can't get affection except from an animal you train to like you, losing that might be rough.

But as TFA said, get a new one. There are places almost overrun with dogs, trying to give them away, and the ones that aren't given away get killed, which puts their value into perspective.


Just like children, yet if you shoot one of those annoying little whiners, you get charged with murder...
 
2013-06-23 02:29:54 AM  

ReapTheChaos: No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.


No, the media highlighting the bad ones is what's happened in the last 10-15 years(approx).

There are plenty of good cops out there, but you never hear about them.  In any given career you've got unsavory types and you've got some genuinely decent people.

It's like claiming all teachers or priests are pedophiles.
Newsflash:  Anecdotal evidence + sensational news stories =\= a representative sampling

Honestly, I'll never quite get how you can point out the very obvious prejudice of some of the people here and it's blatantly ignored in favor of the current flavor of outrage.

Of course, this thread isn't as obvious as one concerning, say, crime on the part of a civilian.  Say, drugs.  A lot of people hold a grudge against cops because the people in question ....gasp....were caught with drugs.  As if the cop is a bad guy for enforcing the law. [hint:  if you don't like the law, hating the cop is like shooting the messenger, get involved in government and try to get it changed]  But you know, a LOT of those same people frequent every cop thread they can find just to lend their vote of "cops suck" to the pool.  That's how you rally peopole to a cause.  If you can't do it on your own turf, borrow someone else's agenda.
 
2013-06-23 02:34:16 AM  
Isn't there some way to ask for help from people who DON'T carry guys? I think we need to take more care to separate our emergency services from our military police force.  We obviously have some officers who shoot first and hide behind "it was coming right for us!" after.

It's easy to pull the trigger when you know that all your coworkers and legal staff are going to rally around and protect you no matter what.
 
2013-06-23 02:41:08 AM  

UseLessHuman: Isn't there some way to ask for help from people who DON'T carry guys?


Yes, move to another country where the police don't use them.  There are a few in the UK that don't regularly carry guns, and you wouldn't even have to learn a different language.
 
2013-06-23 02:50:29 AM  

omeganuepsilon: ReapTheChaos: No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.

No, the media highlighting the bad ones is what's happened in the last 10-15 years(approx).

There are plenty of good cops out there, but you never hear about them.  In any given career you've got unsavory types and you've got some genuinely decent people.

It's like claiming all teachers or priests are pedophiles.
Newsflash:  Anecdotal evidence + sensational news stories =\= a representative sampling

Honestly, I'll never quite get how you can point out the very obvious prejudice of some of the people here and it's blatantly ignored in favor of the current flavor of outrage.

Of course, this thread isn't as obvious as one concerning, say, crime on the part of a civilian.  Say, drugs.  A lot of people hold a grudge against cops because the people in question ....gasp....were caught with drugs.  As if the cop is a bad guy for enforcing the law. [hint:  if you don't like the law, hating the cop is like shooting the messenger, get involved in government and try to get it changed]  But you know, a LOT of those same people frequent every cop thread they can find just to lend their vote of "cops suck" to the pool.  That's how you rally peopole to a cause.  If you can't do it on your own turf, borrow someone else's agenda.


Media coverage has nothing to do with the fact that an alarming number of kids these days have permanent juvenile records for stupid shiat that just 10-15 years ago wouldn't have happened. When I was that age you pretty much had to rob a store at gunpoint to get a juvie record, barring that the worst thing the cops would do if they caught you would be to drive you home and tell your parents what you did. Now they bust them for smoking a cigarette, underage drinking or arrest them for public disturbance if they get a little rambunctious in the mall.

It's like these stupid schools suspending a kid for pointing his fingers like a gun, the cops have adopted a zero tolerance policy, not just toward kids but everyone.
 
2013-06-23 03:06:37 AM  
If they called the police to their home, they should have restrained the dog, period. My female German shepherd could have easily cleared our fence (in her heyday) and because of an intense hatred for the mailman/woman, would go after anyone in uniform. However, seeing as shepherds are such a popular breed, and dogs in general such a popular pet, you'd think they would have some sort of training regarding dogs and their body language. Some common sense wouldn't hurt either!
 
2013-06-23 03:15:41 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Media coverage has nothing to do with the fact that an alarming number of kids these days have permanent juvenile records for stupid shiat that just 10-15 years ago wouldn't have happened.


Whatever.  We were discussing cops at large, and you made it into a thing about busting juveniles being the only qualification.

Also, the laws regarding juveniles has changed over time, and structures created to deal with juvenile delinquents that didn't exist before, and directives come down to start busting for X, Y, and Z because someone higher up feels they're too light on that, or that if they're seen as being too light on that, people will complain, etc.

You've got to keep in mind that early as 100 years ago, law enforcement was pretty lax on everything, because it hardly existed outside of cities.  Our system is VERY young, and constantly growing, evolving, and adapting.  sometimes it's to the cries of the people, sometimes it's some retarded or bought politician, or because of some new fad or activity that's hence become illegal.

More busts over time is not only expected, it's inevitable.

Also, again, society has changed over time.  It's demands on law enforcement by population growth and concentration alone has put a lot of strain on a slow to adapt legal structure. Not to mention attempting to keep up with a rapidly changing society and all of it's proprieties.  It's going to have bends and fractures.

And, surprise of surprise, most of the above is not the fault of the officer on the street.
 
2013-06-23 03:20:29 AM  

ReapTheChaos: omeganuepsilon: ReapTheChaos: No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.

No, the media highlighting the bad ones is what's happened in the last 10-15 years(approx).

There are plenty of good cops out there, but you never hear about them.  In any given career you've got unsavory types and you've got some genuinely decent people.

It's like claiming all teachers or priests are pedophiles.
Newsflash:  Anecdotal evidence + sensational news stories =\= a representative sampling

Honestly, I'll never quite get how you can point out the very obvious prejudice of some of the people here and it's blatantly ignored in favor of the current flavor of outrage.

Of course, this thread isn't as obvious as one concerning, say, crime on the part of a civilian.  Say, drugs.  A lot of people hold a grudge against cops because the people in question ....gasp....were caught with drugs.  As if the cop is a bad guy for enforcing the law. [hint:  if you don't like the law, hating the cop is like shooting the messenger, get involved in government and try to get it changed]  But you know, a LOT of those same people frequent every cop thread they can find just to lend their vote of "cops suck" to the pool.  That's how you rally peopole to a cause.  If you can't do it on your own turf, borrow someone else's agenda.

Media coverage has nothing to do with the fact that an alarming number of kids these days have permanent juvenile records for stupid shiat that just 10-15 years ago wouldn't have happened. When I was that age you pretty much had to rob a store at gunpoint to get a juvie record, barring that the worst thing the cops would do if they caught you would be to drive you home and tell your parents what you did. Now they bust them for smoking a cigarette, underage drinking or arrest them for public disturbance if they get a little rambunctious in the mall.

It's like these stupid schools suspending a kid for pointing his fingers ...


There are a few more factors in that. Law enforcement departments also get pressure from citizens, politicians, the media, etc. after the hysteria of an incident like Sandy Hook, or even with just run of the mill crimes, to crack down and combat the problem, which goes down through the ranks, putting further pressures on your patrol officers to come up with some magical silver bullet and increase enforcement on the issue of the month. There are also a lot more laws on the books now than there were "back in the day", with tougher proscriptions on penalties and states' legislatures wanting a "zero tolerance" policy on certain offenses. Ask any officer that started twenty, twenty-five, thirty years ago, the law books have expanded exponentially.

Not defending what happened with this incident or any abuse of power. It seems that there were a few people that failed the dog in that situation, she saw an invader, only wanted to protect her family and knew no better.
 
2013-06-23 03:27:22 AM  

blueviking: Not defending what happened with this incident or any abuse of power. It seems that there were a few people that failed the dog in that situation, she saw an invader, only wanted to protect her family and knew no better.


And everything else.

/great minds
 
2013-06-23 03:41:58 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Whatever.   We were discussing cops at large, and you made it into a thing about busting juveniles being the only qualification.


Excuse me? We? You replied to my post that I had made to someone else, "we" weren't discussing a damn thing. The post I had replied to was about juveniles.

As for the rest of your post it's mostly pointless but I will respond to this part:

"structures created to deal with juvenile delinquents that didn't exist before"

They're not delinquents, they're kids, doing the same kind of things kids have been doing for generations and most of it, while possibly annoying at times, is harmless. Arresting some 16 year old for underage drinking is ridiculous. Now if he got drunk and stole a car or vandalized a house, that's different, but doing it for drinking in and of itself is ignorant.
 
2013-06-23 03:48:41 AM  
I would be OK with shooting the cop who shot the dog.
 
2013-06-23 03:49:51 AM  

Mock26: I would be OK with shooting the cop who shot the dog.


The worst he'll get is paid leave... AKA vacation.
 
2013-06-23 03:51:32 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Everything? This is one incident. And dictating law? How is that relevant at all?
I see you're one of those people with the check list, prejudice as any racist or gay-hating bigot, only it's about cops. Carry on.


I probably put a bit of spin into my comment but, this isn't about some blind cop hate prejudice.

Their function, their purpose in society, is to serve society. Keep the peace. Protect law abiding citizens and with restraint and specific action address those that aren't so law abiding.

That's not always easy, so they should be given some slack.But that's a pretty far farking cry from giving them the run of the place.

No one, cop or anyone else, should be given a pass for walking onto the property of a private residence where it's posted there is a loose dog defending the home and have free license to shoot the animal THEY WERE FARKING WARNED ABOUT because they feel their person was threatened.

Either you just don't want to acknowledge how many pets (call it destruction of personal property if you need to) are shot in this nation because of trigger happy cops. There are many many cases where it seems pretty clear they've executed pets that were restrained, non-threatening or not even in the home/yard they have a warrant for.

If it was as simple as a checklist of prejudice, this would be the part where I call you a badge-licker.
But there's no need to be nasty so we won't do that.
 
2013-06-23 04:11:53 AM  

MurphyMurphy: There are many many cases where it seems pretty clear they've executed pets that were restrained, non-threatening or not even in the home/yard they have a warrant for.


The same guys from the article?

MurphyMurphy: No one, cop or anyone else, should be given a pass for walking onto the property of a private residence where it's posted there is a loose dog defending the home and have free license to shoot the animal THEY WERE FARKING WARNED ABOUT because they feel their person was threatened.


You do know, that when you call the police station, you almost never talk to the cop that's going to arrive at your door, right?

"Given a pass", where have I said the guy should be given a pass?  I've stated many times that it's possible he acted like an asshole, but there are other possibilities that, while they don't exonerate him of incompetence, they could rationally explain that he had no ill will or attitude problems.  Hell, i can just quote a couple:

omeganuepsilon: Maybe it was as so many people here are pretending and the officer practically shot the dog in cold blood because he hates dogs.


omeganuepsilon: /and as I said before  Maybe the guy was an asshole.  I don't know, I don't have all the facts. What I'm saying is, that it's prejudice(some may need to look up the term) to pretend that you know exactly what happened.


Have you even read my posts, or do you just quickly scan them for the thing you think you can quickly weave into a straw man to knock down?

Dog signs?  OK, so signs were posted.  I've seen more beware of dogs for "cute" or fuzzy little ankle biters than I've seen accurately labeled ones where people actually post the sign as a legitimate warning.  In fact, I don't think i've ever seen a beware sign that wasn't for a annoying runt of a dog.  People are funny like that.
 
2013-06-23 04:28:21 AM  

ReapTheChaos: The post I had replied to was about juveniles.


ReapTheChaos: The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always.
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.


No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things.


No, the part you replied to, you even bolded, was about police in general, an absolute statement.  You shifted the topic to how we're not thinking about the children!

High and mighty with the "we" bit.  Since you did the exact same thing.  Here, I'll excerpt for brevity:

ReapTheChaos: bwilson27: OBBN: What the hell has happened?

The police have always been a viscous, corrupt gang of thugs. Always.
We just didn't always have news blasted at us 24/7.


No they weren't, back in my day they were decent about things.


Newsflash:  This is fark, we talk to random strangers about the article and what has been posted.

ReapTheChaos: Excuse me?


Seeing as you're too slow to pick up on that, I will grant your wish.  You are excused.

I do like how you skimmed right past two posts actually discussing the merits(or lack thereof) of your post.  Scared or incapable?
 
2013-06-23 04:33:46 AM  
omeganuepsilon:

Dude, just come clean. You're obviously the cop in the article.
 
2013-06-23 04:59:45 AM  

MurphyMurphy: omeganuepsilon:

Dude, just come clean. You're obviously the cop in the article.


I would never...waste of a bullet.

I'm the cop who shot the black kid. Nevermind that the kid had a .45 pointed at me, and it was caught on film.

Because he was black, I'm vilified as a racist child murderer by a public that is too prejudice to give a damn about facts or evidence, or reality for that matter.
 
2013-06-23 05:20:05 AM  
Criminals endanger their pets. Don't be a criminal if you don't want your pet killed.
 
2013-06-23 06:06:31 AM  
Here is what I would do.........make say ten thousand fliers with then cops mug shot on it stating he kills dogs.  Get PETA college students people who just love animals to plaster them all over town...I mean everywhere....including donut shops....make sure that cop see his face in posters all over town....and everyone else knows about it also.     Bombard the editorial section of the newspaper.....seriously have people write letters to the editor constantly, hire grafitti artists to "spread " this pigs face all over town.
Talk to the street people hand out fliers, gift cards for free food and stuff......if they have a county lock up, send all the prisoners there a letter with the flier attached.......
Seriously fark the douche bag!
 
2013-06-23 07:02:22 AM  

firefly212: The thing is, the more they turn people against them, the harder (and more dangerous) their job is, so they get more aggressive and violent, then they turn even more people against them. Frankly, in the US, escalating violence is pretty much the only thing police do other than generating revenue. There are good cops out there, but they're becoming fewer and farther between as departments

voters tolerate this kind of behavior.

FTFY
 
2013-06-23 08:08:50 AM  
You have a missing child, and you're expecting the police to come by.  Knowing full well you're going to have a visitor, how hard would it have been to put the dog on a run for a few hours?  When you have a growly aggressive dog that warrants the use of "Beware of Dog" signs, it's unreasonable to put the burden on public servants who are trying to help you out to just call first.

Buy a new one and train it from a puppy not to be a growly aggressive idiot of a dog.  ALL blame is on the irresponsible owners in this case.
 
2013-06-23 08:24:01 AM  

90supraT: If you shoot a police dog don't they consider that the same as shooting a police officer? I love the double standard.


The jumper in this video (who took a police dog with him over the side of a bridge) pleaded guilty to felony DUI, felony evasion and a misdemeanor "harming a service animal" rap.  So the dog/officer comparison is not quite that bad. Dunno what the charges were prior to the plea bargain.  He may have faced assault charges on an officer.

Stryker, the dog who chased him over the side of the bridge, got a funeral at Camp Pendleton.  I don't see the black ribbons over the badges, which the cops like to do for human funerals.  So I'm guessing there's a line somewhere within the community on police dogs being full sworn officers.

Sympathies to the family.  Whatever the hell the 14 year old is belly aching about is probably just going to get more dramatic.
 
2013-06-23 08:58:08 AM  
I've been attacked by 2 dogs... i own a dog...if a police officer ever shot my dog.. or anyone hurt my dog for that matter...

they'd be dead. plain and simple my life would not be worth shiat anymore and neither would theres. I would hunt them down a put a bullet in their head regardless of the consequences to myself

you fark with my dog and you are dead. that is all
 
2013-06-23 09:11:32 AM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2013-06-22 10:46:54 PM


Were you robbed? Were you in a car accident? Call the cops cuz you need a file number for your insurance claim. Guard your language carefully.

Other than that? Vampire can't come into your house unless you invite him in so why would you invite him in?

^This.

The only good cop is.....
 
2013-06-23 09:34:03 AM  

OnlyM3: Bill_Wick's_Friend
2013-06-22 10:46:54 PM


Were you robbed? Were you in a car accident? Call the cops cuz you need a file number for your insurance claim. Guard your language carefully.

Other than that? Vampire can't come into your house unless you invite him in so why would you invite him in?

^This.

The only good cop is.....


A vampire?
 
2013-06-23 10:43:03 AM  

omeganuepsilon: spidermilk


Yea I hear what you are saying here. I think some of the things people are pointing to are the video where it appears the dog was shot from outside the fence. I have actually only ever been bitten by a Westie (tiny 10 lb dog) and it didn't even break the skin. There is no doubt in my mind that a dog can seriously hurt or kill a person. The owners asked for the police to call so they could put their dogs away, they had a 'beware of dogs' sign, and it appears that the police shot the dog from outside the fence.

That said, this kind of shiat is exactly why I don't leave my dog in our fenced yard alone. He has never bit anyone, but I have no doubt that if someone walked into my fence he would act really scary and could bite them. If people think a dog is going to hurt or kill them, they have a right to defend themselves. With the dog owners I associate with there is a lot of question about the 'beware of dog' sign. Is it a thief deterrent or is it admission that you have a dangerous dog in your yard.
 
2013-06-23 11:59:43 AM  
Surprisingly, I'm ok with what the cops did. I'm not a dog person though.
 
2013-06-23 12:13:21 PM  

omeganuepsilon: ReapTheChaos: No the cops haven't always been pricks, this is something that's happened within the last 10-15 years.

No, the media highlighting the bad ones is what's happened in the last 10-15 years(approx).

There are plenty of good cops out there, but you never hear about them.  In any given career you've got unsavory types and you've got some genuinely decent people.

It's like claiming all teachers or priests are pedophiles.
Newsflash:  Anecdotal evidence + sensational news stories =\= a representative sampling

Honestly, I'll never quite get how you can point out the very obvious prejudice of some of the people here and it's blatantly ignored in favor of the current flavor of outrage.

Of course, this thread isn't as obvious as one concerning, say, crime on the part of a civilian.  Say, drugs.  A lot of people hold a grudge against cops because the people in question ....gasp....were caught with drugs.  As if the cop is a bad guy for enforcing the law. [hint:  if you don't like the law, hating the cop is like shooting the messenger, get involved in government and try to get it changed]  But you know, a LOT of those same people frequent every cop thread they can find just to lend their vote of "cops suck" to the pool.  That's how you rally peopole to a cause.  If you can't do it on your own turf, borrow someone else's agenda.


I was wondering when you were going to stop pretending and go back to your bootlicking cocksucking ways. Eat a bullet.
 
2013-06-23 12:43:07 PM  
Which makes you wonder why people make such a big deal out of cops who get killed in the line of duty.  Just hire another one.
 
2013-06-23 01:23:38 PM  

lilbjorn: Which makes you wonder why people make such a big deal out of cops who get killed in the line of duty.  Just hire another one.


Heh heh
 
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