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(Sports Illustrated)   With a walk off victory last night, the Blue Jays are officially .500. Meaning the entire AL East is .500 or better. But keep saying all of the preseason talk was just hype   (mlb.si.com) divider line 62
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2013-06-22 04:31:00 PM  
This is why baseball is so stupid.  Everyone has a chance to win.  It cheapens the accomplishment.  Back to football and hockey.
 
2013-06-22 04:50:15 PM  

Mike_LowELL: This is why baseball is so stupid.  Everyone has a chance to win.  It cheapens the accomplishment.  Back to football and hockey.


Except the Cubs, you mean.


/  :'(
 
2013-06-22 04:59:55 PM  
Wait, what happens in April ISN'T a surefire sign of what will happen the rest of the season? Impossible!
 
2013-06-22 06:09:44 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Mike_LowELL: This is why baseball is so stupid.  Everyone has a chance to win.  It cheapens the accomplishment.  Back to football and hockey.

Except the Cubs, you mean.


/  :'(


Everybody has a bad century every once in awhile.

DeWayne Mann: Wait, what happens in April ISN'T a surefire sign of what will happen the rest of the season? Impossible!


I thought the  Bluejays had buried themselves quite successfully.  However, they are rolling and looks like they will at least be heard from before October.
 
2013-06-22 08:12:37 PM  
Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.
 
2013-06-22 08:13:49 PM  
Well, if they keep expanding the postseason, soon .500 will be the high bar for making the playoffs.

/it's already kind of dumb when sub-.500 teams make the postseason in the NBA and NFL
 
2013-06-22 08:14:27 PM  
Thats life in the best division in baseball.
 
2013-06-22 08:20:40 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Well, if they keep expanding the postseason, soon .500 will be the high bar for making the playoffs.

/it's already kind of dumb when sub-.500 teams make the postseason in the NBA and NFL


In general, wild cards aren't going to get in with bad records. It's divisional winners that are more likely to do that.

The NBA is a special case since more than half the teams in the game make the playoffs.  Baseball's not quite to that level yet.
 
2013-06-22 08:22:19 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Well, if they keep expanding the postseason, soon .500 will be the high bar for making the playoffs.


I don't think you need to worry about that.  It's possible I guess but probably not. The expansion made a division title mean something again.
 
2013-06-22 08:23:49 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Wait, what happens in April ISN'T a surefire sign of what will happen the rest of the season? ImpossibleUnpossible!


FTFY.  They are on a tear.  But what an impressive tear.
 
2013-06-22 08:38:17 PM  
They're last in their division. The preseason talk was hype.
 
2013-06-22 08:44:13 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: They're last in their division. The preseason talk was hype.


Check the standings again sparky. Preseason talk by definition is hype. I'll finish your thought: The hype was accurate.

/And Reyes isn't even back yet.
 
2013-06-22 08:45:27 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: They're last in their division. The preseason talk was hype.


They won earlier today and with the Yankees win over the Rays, they're now tied for 4th (which is still last) with the Rays.

DeWayne Mann: Bonanza Jellybean: Well, if they keep expanding the postseason, soon .500 will be the high bar for making the playoffs.

/it's already kind of dumb when sub-.500 teams make the postseason in the NBA and NFL

In general, wild cards aren't going to get in with bad records. It's divisional winners that are more likely to do that.

The NBA is a special case since more than half the teams in the game make the playoffs.  Baseball's not quite to that level yet.


I'm not even sure it's mathematically probable for there to be a sub-.500 wild card.
The NL West nearly sent a sub-.500 division winner a few years ago, though.
 
2013-06-22 08:50:53 PM  
oh, the Rays played two more games than the Jays, so if you go just by loss column, the Rays are technically last (still a virtual tie though).

Good for the Jays, but really they're on a 10 game win streak.. I wouldn't exactly call that sustainable.
 
2013-06-22 08:52:49 PM  

The Bestest: I'm not even sure it's mathematically probable for there to be a sub-.500 wild card.


If every division winner is over 100 wins, I think you could get a sub .500 second WC.
 
2013-06-22 09:00:21 PM  
I think how they're winning is more impressive. Firing on all cylinders, starters finally look good. The only hot hitter is Adam Lind. I never thought I'd say that last sentence ever again
 
2013-06-22 09:06:54 PM  
in other AL East news, it's starting to look like that for the first time in forever, the Yankees will only have 1 All Star (Cano).
..though inexplicably, Jeter is still 5th in SS voting (and Ichiro 15th in OF voting).
Maybe Leyland will pick Gardner or something.
 
2013-06-22 09:10:35 PM  

DeWayne Mann: If every division winner is over 100 wins, I think you could get a sub .500 second WC.


It's possible to have a sub 500 team in, but not probable.  And it would have as much to do with there not being any absolutely terrible teams, as much as having some very good teams.  And even with 4 100 win teams you would still more than likely have a decent team get the last wildcard.  Generally, adding a wildcard team here or there doesn't usually end up adding a team with a bad record, (as long as it's done within reason, unlike the NBA and NHL playoffs) often it's adding more divisions.  In the NFL, if a team with a poor record gets in it's usually a division winner, not the wildcard.
 
2013-06-22 09:11:32 PM  

The Bestest: in other AL East news, it's starting to look like that for the first time in forever, the Yankees will only have 1 All Star (Cano).
..though inexplicably, Jeter is still 5th in SS voting (and Ichiro 15th in OF voting).
Maybe Leyland will pick Gardner or something.


Mariano will be there.
 
2013-06-22 09:17:22 PM  

TonyDanza: Mariano will be there.


Oh yeah.. forgot about him.. he'll definitely be there (his last season and the ASG is in NY.. Leyland would be nuts not to take him)
 
2013-06-22 09:18:50 PM  
Everyone in the al east is over .500 now.
 
2013-06-22 09:21:40 PM  

SlothB77: Everyone in the al east is over .500 now.


AL EAST! AL EAST! AL EAST! SEC.. I mean, AL EAST!
 
2013-06-22 09:41:26 PM  
Which team will get beat by the lowly Tigers of the pitiful al central this year?
 
2013-06-22 09:44:10 PM  

Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.


As much as I know nothing will probably happen because O'day isn't stupid enough to plunk Bautista, I do think it'd be a blast to see a benchclearer. Unfourtunately that'll probably only happen if we're faced with a clear L. ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...
 
2013-06-22 09:49:30 PM  

BudTheSpud: ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...


There's no conundrum there.  Soon as Reyes is healthy he's the starter, don't see how it's even a question.
 
2013-06-22 09:51:27 PM  

BudTheSpud: Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.

As much as I know nothing will probably happen because O'day isn't stupid enough to plunk Bautista, I do think it'd be a blast to see a benchclearer. Unfourtunately that'll probably only happen if we're faced with a clear L. ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...


Move muney to second. Send down a reliever.
 
2013-06-22 09:56:19 PM  

TonyDanza: BudTheSpud: ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...

There's no conundrum there.  Soon as Reyes is healthy he's the starter, don't see how it's even a question.


It's not, I'm more referring to Kawasaki than Reyes. I know he'll be back. I hope he doesn't break the mojo this team's on though, and Kawasaki is a big part of that mojo, and he's playing like a guy who deserves at least a bench role.

thecpt: BudTheSpud: Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.

As much as I know nothing will probably happen because O'day isn't stupid enough to plunk Bautista, I do think it'd be a blast to see a benchclearer. Unfourtunately that'll probably only happen if we're faced with a clear L. ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...

Move muney to second. Send down a reliever.


Sure, that would be the EASY way. But why not do that, AND brawl with the O's? :)  Jays haven't had a good rivalry in years, Yanks/Sox series are getting stale. Let's have ourselves a bird brawl! Ten more games to go with this team! Plenty of time for shenanigans.
 
2013-06-22 10:03:51 PM  
 
2013-06-22 11:35:33 PM  

TonyDanza: The Bestest: in other AL East news, it's starting to look like that for the first time in forever, the Yankees will only have 1 All Star (Cano).
..though inexplicably, Jeter is still 5th in SS voting (and Ichiro 15th in OF voting).
Maybe Leyland will pick Gardner or something.

Mariano will be there.


Like Leyland would know what to do with a closer.

/Probably my last Valverde joke
 
2013-06-22 11:40:42 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Bonanza Jellybean: Well, if they keep expanding the postseason, soon .500 will be the high bar for making the playoffs.

/it's already kind of dumb when sub-.500 teams make the postseason in the NBA and NFL

In general, wild cards aren't going to get in with bad records. It's divisional winners that are more likely to do that.

The NBA is a special case since more than half the teams in the game make the playoffs.  Baseball's not quite to that level yet.


Baseball has the lowest percentage of playoff teams per year out of any sport.

That's still true even now that they've expanded it to 10.  That's 1/3.  Don't give me any of this "anyone can make it" crap.
 
2013-06-22 11:54:27 PM  

Mike_LowELL: This is why baseball is so stupid. Everyone has a chance to win.


You know, you expect to see dumb comments when you head in to a Fark thread, but still...
 
2013-06-23 12:10:59 AM  

Mike_LowELL: This is why baseball is so stupid.  Everyone has a chance to win.  It cheapens the accomplishment.  Back to football and hockey.


FAIL. You realize that hockey is the only major American sport where you can lose a game and still get credit for half a win, right?  I don't see the MLB, NBA or NFL giving credit for going to extra innings or overtime.
 
2013-06-23 12:15:15 AM  

BudTheSpud: TonyDanza: BudTheSpud: ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...

There's no conundrum there.  Soon as Reyes is healthy he's the starter, don't see how it's even a question.

It's not, I'm more referring to Kawasaki than Reyes. I know he'll be back. I hope he doesn't break the mojo this team's on though, and Kawasaki is a big part of that mojo, and he's playing like a guy who deserves at least a bench role.

thecpt: BudTheSpud: Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.

As much as I know nothing will probably happen because O'day isn't stupid enough to plunk Bautista, I do think it'd be a blast to see a benchclearer. Unfourtunately that'll probably only happen if we're faced with a clear L. ALTHOUGH a targeted suspension WOULD solve the Reyes - Kawasaki conundrum for a few games...

Move muney to second. Send down a reliever.

Sure, that would be the EASY way. But why not do that, AND brawl with the O's? :)  Jays haven't had a good rivalry in years, Yanks/Sox series are getting stale. Let's have ourselves a bird brawl! Ten more games to go with this team! Plenty of time for shenanigans.


This is bird land! No this is bird country! We're under a dome? Two bird teams enter, one team leaves.
 
2013-06-23 12:35:04 AM  

Deece: You know, you expect to see dumb comments when you head in to a Fark thread, but still...


balki1867: FAIL. You realize that hockey is the only major American sport where you can lose a game and still get credit for half a win, right?  I don't see the MLB, NBA or NFL giving credit for going to extra innings or overtime.


I see some people are unfamiliar with Mike_LowELL.
 
2013-06-23 01:50:17 AM  
Lots and lots of fun a 10 game win streak is. As a Toronto sports fan, I don't know if I've experienced it before.

/31
/not gonna google
 
2013-06-23 02:05:33 AM  
Meanwhile, in the AL Central a .500 record is almost a guarantee for first place.
 
2013-06-23 02:05:47 AM  
Everyone in the AL East was above .500 until June 27th last season, so I'm not quite sure why this is suddenly news in 2013.
 
2013-06-23 02:31:17 AM  

inclemency: Lots and lots of fun a 10 game win streak is. As a Toronto sports fan, I don't know if I've experienced it before.


2008. August 31 to Sept 9.
 
2013-06-23 02:39:58 AM  

DeWayne Mann: inclemency: Lots and lots of fun a 10 game win streak is. As a Toronto sports fan, I don't know if I've experienced it before.

2008. August 31 to Sept 9.


That one was nice and all, but it was September and they were already way out of it. This one is getting a lot more people talking and is pretty much the first time all season people have gotten a taste of what this team might be able to do. It's been a loooong time since the Jays had some meaningful success. Too bad April had to happen the way it did.
 
2013-06-23 02:52:47 AM  

DeWayne Mann: inclemency: Lots and lots of fun a 10 game win streak is. As a Toronto sports fan, I don't know if I've experienced it before.

2008. August 31 to Sept 9.


I actually thought about that one and concluded it hadn't been 10.games. I was overseas and came back to (what must have been nine) the streak... They won one more and lost. Remarkable achievement but as the poster after you said: it was close to meaningless... Not mathematically impossible but not the same story as a bunch of underachieving all-stars making it close mid season to live up to expectations.
 
2013-06-23 03:16:47 AM  

Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.


yep. as stupid as it is, the Orioles are going to feel obliged to answer back after their pitcher started the whole damn thing. The Jays should drill the first Oriole batter just to get it out of the way.

baseball's "unwritten rules" are the worst in all of sports.
 
2013-06-23 03:18:08 AM  

suicide: DeWayne Mann: inclemency: Lots and lots of fun a 10 game win streak is. As a Toronto sports fan, I don't know if I've experienced it before.

2008. August 31 to Sept 9.

That one was nice and all, but it was September and they were already way out of it. This one is getting a lot more people talking and is pretty much the first time all season people have gotten a taste of what this team might be able to do. It's been a loooong time since the Jays had some meaningful success. Too bad April had to happen the way it did.


April is dead and buried now, much sooner than I expected it to be, I thought they would be .500 by the All Star Break. Here they are a game over .500 and how they bounce back from the inevitable loss will be telling. I think this team can do it though, the core players have matured to an extent, and the new players are showing their worth. Good, strong chemistry building on this team.
 
2013-06-23 03:22:43 AM  

december: Decillion: Look for a brawl tomorrow after two O'Day/Bautista incidents in last two games.

yep. as stupid as it is, the Orioles are going to feel obliged to answer back after their pitcher started the whole damn thing. The Jays should drill the first Oriole batter just to get it out of the way.

baseball's "unwritten rules" are the worst in all of sports.


As a fan who looks longingly at Dodgers-Padres bouts and wishes it could be Jays-Yankees, I am inclined to disagree. Showing your passion with a little shoving and trash-talking is fine by me. Just back it up with good baseball. Been really hard watching the Jays get walked over these past couple decades. I'm hoping this team has the big names to stake a claim and fight for their turf on the road to October.
 
2013-06-23 03:25:35 AM  

BudTheSpud: April is dead and buried now, much sooner than I expected it to be, I thought they would be .500 by the All Star Break. Here they are a game over .500 and how they bounce back from the inevitable loss will be telling. I think this team can do it though, the core players have matured to an extent, and the new players are showing their worth. Good, strong chemistry building on this team.


Agreed. Hopefully Reyes can slide right in or at least be propped up for a while as he gets back to form, and hopefully the bullpen can keep it up. Who thought Cecil was gonna kill it out of the 'pen? And what the hell did Lind start or stop doing? Should be a fun couple of months.
 
2013-06-23 03:32:57 AM  
 I now present, the next mayor of Toronto

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2013-06-23 07:41:22 AM  
Yeah, and the pirates are threatening for best overall record.
 
2013-06-23 09:10:04 AM  
If they're all over .500 at the end of the season, then they can brag.
 
2013-06-23 09:44:46 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Yeah, and the pirates are threatening for best overall record.


NL Central FTW!

/3 out of the top 4 teams are in the NL Central
 
2013-06-23 09:58:05 AM  
Didn't the Royals win the pre-season?
 
2013-06-23 11:48:35 AM  

The Bestest: Deece: You know, you expect to see dumb comments when you head in to a Fark thread, but still...

balki1867: FAIL. You realize that hockey is the only major American sport where you can lose a game and still get credit for half a win, right?  I don't see the MLB, NBA or NFL giving credit for going to extra innings or overtime.

I see some people are unfamiliar with Mike_LowELL.


A-yup.

\and it's nice that the Jays are doing it and all, but it's still June, folks
 
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