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(ESPN)   Colin Kaepernick threw out the first pitch at Friday night's Giants/Marlins game, hitting 87MPH   (espn.go.com) divider line 37
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2013-06-22 04:41:42 PM  
For a professional quarterback, that shouldn't be considered much of an accomplishment
 
2013-06-22 06:13:47 PM  
Rumor has it that the Marlins offered him a contract immediately afterward, but Kaepernick said he only signs with professional organizations.
 
2013-06-22 06:14:05 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: For a professional quarterback, that shouldn't be considered much of an accomplishment


Apparently he pitched in high school and could hit 90, so he's actually on the decline.
 
2013-06-22 06:15:21 PM  
Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.
 
2013-06-22 06:15:35 PM  
He and Russell Wilson were drafted by MLB teams. Not that that means anything because they draft until they have everyone's rights in the country for the next year.
 
2013-06-22 06:17:22 PM  
Wow, a guy who was drafted into MLB as a pitcher and was all-state in CALIFORNIA as one, is known in the NFL for throwing heat on every single pass and that his problem is that he doesn't consistently exhibit the ability to put touch on his passes can throw fast?

 

mactheknife: Rumor has it that the Marlins offered him a contract immediately afterward, but Kaepernick said he only signs with professional organizations.


Explains why he didn't sign with the Cubs when they drafted him.
 
2013-06-22 06:18:31 PM  
Sploosh.
 
2013-06-22 06:19:47 PM  

neuroflare: He and Russell Wilson were drafted by MLB teams. Not that that means anything because they draft until they have everyone's rights in the country for the next year.


True, but Wilson was supposed to be a 2B. Kaepernick was actually a pitcher.

/holy sh*t, Russell Wilson was a two-star prospect coming out of HS in football LOL
 
2013-06-22 06:27:32 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.


Wow. That's a pretty bold statement, you don't work for the KNBR morning show, do you?

Not taking anything away from him, but it's a pretty small sample size to be throwing out the History Of The Game flag.
 
2013-06-22 06:29:08 PM  
I thought 80-85 was what the average high school player could throw. I know I could.

/Still better than any NBA player I've seen do it in person (John Wall and Caron Butler). Terrible. Just Terrible.
 
2013-06-22 06:33:00 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement, you don't work for the KNBR morning show, do you?

Not taking anything away from him, but it's a pretty small sample size to be throwing out the History Of The Game flag.


He has the powers of both black and white people. He can not be stopped.
 
2013-06-22 06:35:21 PM  

you are a puppet: Your_Huckleberry: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement, you don't work for the KNBR morning show, do you?

Not taking anything away from him, but it's a pretty small sample size to be throwing out the History Of The Game flag.

He has the powers of both black and white people. He can not be stopped.


Are you telling me he can play hockey, too?

/ducks
 
2013-06-22 06:40:45 PM  

you are a puppet: Your_Huckleberry: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement, you don't work for the KNBR morning show, do you?

Not taking anything away from him, but it's a pretty small sample size to be throwing out the History Of The Game flag.

He has the powers of both black and white people. He can not be stopped.


Until I see him dance, he has no black powers
 
2013-06-22 06:41:50 PM  
Green Bay line backers were convinced that's how fast he ran.
 
2013-06-22 06:47:13 PM  
He hit 87 with some not-so-great looking pitching mechanics. But since he's right-handed, it means he would have been at-best a fourth starter. And realistically, he probably would have topped out somewhere around A ball. He was only a 42nd round pick, after all. And at that point in the draft, a lot of GMs are just making nepotism picks at that point.

So he made the right decision, is what I'm saying.
 
2013-06-22 06:51:44 PM  

lacydog: He hit 87 with some not-so-great looking pitching mechanics. But since he's right-handed, it means he would have been at-best a fourth starter. And realistically, he probably would have topped out somewhere around A ball. He was only a 42nd round pick, after all. And at that point in the draft, a lot of GMs are just making nepotism picks at that point.

So he made the right decision, is what I'm saying.


A) it's a first pitch, not an actual pitch.
B) He threw in the 90s in HS
C) It's probable he didn't go higher in the draft because he made it quite clear he wanted to play football, not baseball - which is why he also turned down all his baseball scholarships to go to the one place that offered him a football scholarship.
 
2013-06-22 06:52:36 PM  

lacydog: He hit 87 with some not-so-great looking pitching mechanics. But since he's right-handed, it means he would have been at-best a fourth starter. And realistically, he probably would have topped out somewhere around A ball. He was only a 42nd round pick, after all. And at that point in the draft, a lot of GMs are just making nepotism picks at that point.

So he made the right decision, is what I'm saying.


The reason he was drafted so low was because he told the baseball people he wanted to play football.
 
2013-06-22 07:08:50 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Pretty good for a guy with presumably very little warmup.

Most physically gifted QB in the history of the game. His ceiling is unlimited.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement, you don't work for the KNBR morning show, do you?

Not taking anything away from him, but it's a pretty small sample size to be throwing out the History Of The Game flag.


Name another QB with his combination of size, arm strength, overall strength and speed. You can't.
 
2013-06-22 07:08:56 PM  
I don't care how hard he throws. Dudes got enough money he should get a real tattoo artist. Worst ink in pro sports.
 
2013-06-22 07:11:05 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Name another QB with his combination of size, arm strength, overall strength and speed. You can't.


I'm going to reply to myself and preempt Cam Newton by saying Colin is faster.
 
2013-06-22 07:31:57 PM  
So he throws harder than Lincecum?
 
2013-06-22 08:21:26 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Name another QB with his combination of size, arm strength, overall strength and speed. You can't.

I'm going to reply to myself and preempt Cam Newton by saying Colin is faster.


Yes, but Cam Newton is also bigger, and has more arm strength and overall strength. See how that works?
 
2013-06-22 08:22:22 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Name another QB with his combination of size, arm strength, overall strength and speed. You can't.

I'm going to reply to myself and preempt Cam Newton by saying Colin is faster.


He might very well be, but I don't know that his arm is any better than Newton's.

Actually, a very quick glance at the Wiki pages for them say they're both 6'5, Newton is listed at about 15lbs heavier and Colin is faster-4.53 to 4.56.  Weight gains or losses since then and game speed versus combine speed factor into this, obviously.
 RGIII is a couple inches shorter, probably twenty to thirty pounds lighter but considerably faster, so Newton and Kaepernick are probably the two best examples of all those factors you mention.
I still think it's a bit too small of a sample size, he could have a really crappy second season......second half of first season. Or he could still play lights out.
 
2013-06-22 08:35:48 PM  

you are a puppet: and has more arm strength


Nah.
 
2013-06-22 09:10:07 PM  

you are a puppet: ZoSo_the_Crowe: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Name another QB with his combination of size, arm strength, overall strength and speed. You can't.

I'm going to reply to myself and preempt Cam Newton by saying Colin is faster.

Yes, but Cam Newton is also bigger, and has more arm strength and overall strength. See how that works?


Mobility in QBs is nice to have, but pocket passers still rule.  How soon before, say, RGIII gets killed on yet another read-option and begins to degrade like Michael Vick?  I'm more impressed with Russell Wilson. Very mobile yet a terrific presence in the pocket.
 
2013-06-22 09:27:56 PM  
I think what's being lost here is that the person throwing out the first pitch actually fired it in there instead of tossing a lollipop that didn't reach the catcher. Just enjoy it, people!
 
2013-06-22 10:37:30 PM  

farkingismybusiness: I thought 80-85 was what the average high school player could throw. I know I could.

/Still better than any NBA player I've seen do it in person (John Wall and Caron Butler). Terrible. Just Terrible.


I was a SS and could maybe throw 75 on a good day
 
2013-06-23 12:35:30 AM  

p the boiler: farkingismybusiness: I thought 80-85 was what the average high school player could throw. I know I could.

/Still better than any NBA player I've seen do it in person (John Wall and Caron Butler). Terrible. Just Terrible.

I was a SS and could maybe throw 75 on a good day


I should have specified pitching. I've played 3rd, catcher, outfield, and pitched depending on the team. I had a good fastball, not much else.
 
2013-06-23 12:58:28 AM  
Are we sure he didn't just tuck the ball and run it in over the plate?
 
2013-06-23 01:42:53 AM  
Alex Smith wishes Colin could maybe toss that ball closer to the mid-90's range. Well, hell, maybe KC will work out.
 
2013-06-23 03:08:01 AM  
JUHH-st a bit outside
/Uecker
 
2013-06-23 05:46:15 AM  
You better have three more pitches if you want to survive in the MLB with a 90 MPH fastball.  But yeah, he is a good athlete, no doubt.
 
2013-06-23 07:11:46 AM  

IAmRight: lacydog: He hit 87 with some not-so-great looking pitching mechanics. But since he's right-handed, it means he would have been at-best a fourth starter. And realistically, he probably would have topped out somewhere around A ball. He was only a 42nd round pick, after all. And at that point in the draft, a lot of GMs are just making nepotism picks at that point.

So he made the right decision, is what I'm saying.

A) it's a first pitch, not an actual pitch.
B) He threw in the 90s in HS
C) It's probable he didn't go higher in the draft because he made it quite clear he wanted to play football, not baseball - which is why he also turned down all his baseball scholarships to go to the one place that offered him a football scholarship.


A) Granted
B) I thought it was 90, not 90s. Big difference. A 90 mph heater with not much secondary stuff is likely someone topping out in A ball.
C) If scouts thought he would be a #3 starter or better, then he would have been taken in the top 20 or 30 rounds regardless of signability concerns. Really, once you get past the first 10/15 rounds, you're basically taking flyers on guys, and you don't necessarily expect to sign them. Anyone that anyone has good reason to believe is worth taking will be taken by round 30 most years. Which is why you see things like Nick Hamilton (a deaf 3B who's the son of the Indians' radio announcer), Frank Wren's kid and a kid paralyzed from the neck down being taken in rounds 30+. 

For proof of this I submit to you the Indians' round 30 pick this year. Aaron Brown was a top 100 prospect in various publications, but he told everyone that it would take a minimum of $1.3M to sign. Since you can't get that kind of money outside of the top 15 or so, and he wasn't going to be taken there (Mayo and BA had him 97th, Perfect Game had him 85th), everyone knew he was going to be impossible to sign him. The Indians took a flyer on him in the 30th round, knowing they couldn't offer him much more than $100k at that position. Just in case he decided to change his mind. Which absolutely nobody expects him to do. Because there was fark-all left to draft.
 
2013-06-23 01:24:47 PM  
He hasn't even played a full season yet, and he's the greatest of all time?

What the fark are those 49'er fans drinking? Fools.
 
2013-06-23 01:48:12 PM  
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2013-06-23 03:47:36 PM  

lacydog: B) I thought it was 90, not 90s. Big difference. A 90 mph heater with not much secondary stuff is likely someone topping out in A ball.


According to wiki (I don't care enough to look further, he had it at 92. And you could reasonably expect that if he were training for baseball he could add a couple MPH).

lacydog: If scouts thought he would be a #3 starter or better, then he would have been taken in the top 20 or 30 rounds regardless of signability concerns


a) maybe
b) let's not act as though scouts are accurate as to predicting ability (or really, as though anyone's capable of predicting a single human being's future, especially when there are so many variables involved).
 
2013-06-23 04:32:47 PM  

IAmRight: lacydog: B) I thought it was 90, not 90s. Big difference. A 90 mph heater with not much secondary stuff is likely someone topping out in A ball.

According to wiki (I don't care enough to look further, he had it at 92. And you could reasonably expect that if he were training for baseball he could add a couple MPH).

lacydog: If scouts thought he would be a #3 starter or better, then he would have been taken in the top 20 or 30 rounds regardless of signability concerns

a) maybe
b) let's not act as though scouts are accurate as to predicting ability (or really, as though anyone's capable of predicting a single human being's future, especially when there are so many variables involved).


It's rare for someone to add much to their fastball as they progress. The guys that do are guys who haven't fully grown yet, are still adding muscle, etc (Kaepernick was going into his Junior year of college at the time he was drafted, so he likely doesn't fit that profile as well). And that's usually in the scouting report. Also, there's a difference between topping out at 92 (which is pretty pedestrian as far as pro pitchers go), and "sitting" at 92. I was under the impression that Kaepernick sat around 89/90, and could occasionally throw as hard as 92. I could be wrong on that, but that's what I got from a quick googling.

I'm not arguing that it's impossible that Kaepernick would have made the majors. Some guys do make it out of those rounds (Lincecum was originally a 42nd round pick of the Indians, but the Indians were unable to sign him as MLB told them that giving a 42nd rounder a more-than 750k bonus was unacceptable. They offered him 700k, he refused and went back), some guys prove the scouts wrong, some guys come out of seemingly nowhere (Piazza). But 95% or more of them don't. The most *likely* scenario for guys taken in those rounds is that they don't make it past AA.
 
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