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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   Sifting through the ruins of your home destroyed in a wildfire? Have an outstanding traffic warrant? You're under arrest   (gazette.com) divider line 36
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2013-06-22 03:46:50 PM  
6 votes:
Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?
2013-06-22 06:10:20 PM  
5 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?
2013-06-22 04:28:08 PM  
5 votes:
Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.
2013-06-22 09:46:35 PM  
3 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.


As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.
2013-06-22 07:44:17 PM  
3 votes:

Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!


And yet, when cops do exercise discretion and let someone go, people like you are often screaming how wrong it is for cops to show favoritism and let "certain people" go because they're other cops, or politicians or whatever.

What you mean is, Cops should let nice, poor or people YOU think are "innocent" go, and only arrest other cops, mean people, or those whom you think OUGHT to go to jail because you don't like them much.

To put this in perspective, if this woman had been a cop, arrested for ignoring an outstanding traffic warrant, you'd be cheering because finally the farking jackass got what he deserved for once. No discretion for him, nosir.
2013-06-22 06:13:16 PM  
3 votes:
"I can't believe they arrested her at this time because she did lose her trailer and everything in it," the neighbor said.


Because she's a flight risk now, that's why. The popo let her ride for as long as they could to rack up the maximum fines. It's now time to harvest that crop before it heads out and is never seen again.
2013-06-22 06:09:36 PM  
3 votes:
I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.
2013-06-22 11:02:46 PM  
2 votes:
I dislike how the easy, lazy path for law and officials and clerks and judges is just to fine people, increase the fines, imprison over very little and just stomp people out.

It may be paranoia, I feel as though I am walking on eggshells in society today, one misstep and the eye of the Internet is shined on me, and the holy wrath of society. Worse, no one is there to see and it's just the shallow everyday drudge work of a few bureaucrats invisibly, silently hammering the nails down.
2013-06-22 07:36:55 PM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).

Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.


And sending her to jail results in the same outcome at 100 times the cost to the taxpayer. Farking Phyrrhic victories, how do they work?

If she refuses to pay when she takes her car in for registration, take it and auction it. If she doesn't register her car again, take it from her the next time a cop gets a hit on the plates. I really don't understand this "lock 'em up for the slightest infraction" mentality. It's a waste of resources and needlessly escalates otherwise (usually) resolvable situations.
2013-06-22 07:14:33 PM  
2 votes:
If she lived in a trailer and was sick, it's very likely she couldn't afford to pay all the tickets. Ah, the 21st century America. The return of the debtor's prison.
2013-06-22 06:50:19 PM  
2 votes:

Bslim: barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?

Weird right. A lot of talk about freedom and liberty when in reality what they loooooove is to have a boot shoved up their ass.


I sure don't miss the jackbooted marchstepping going on there. It seems to have accelerated the last 10 years to just plain unreasonable.
2013-06-22 06:49:57 PM  
2 votes:
Cops that do this are disgusting bullies.  Gotta get those tickets. Moneymoneymoney..

I'd call them pigs, but that would be insulting to real pigs.
2013-06-22 06:42:00 PM  
2 votes:
The warrant was for a failure to appear in court, said Kramer, who added that he was unsure what the original traffic charge was regarding.

Bullshiat, he saw the charges immediately pop up on the screen. He just doesn't want to let it out that they just arrested some poor, sick, now homeless woman on a $25 parking ticket.
2013-06-22 06:37:38 PM  
2 votes:
Hey, at least now she's got somewhere to stay.
2013-06-22 06:16:02 PM  
2 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.


Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).
2013-06-22 06:15:06 PM  
2 votes:
People with warrants out for them are subject to arrest.  Should I be shocked or outraged or something?
2013-06-22 06:15:05 PM  
2 votes:

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


Weird right. A lot of talk about freedom and liberty when in reality what they loooooove is to have a boot shoved up their ass.
2013-06-22 10:46:05 PM  
1 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?

Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.


"I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg, asshole. You'll get yours at the day of reckoning.
2013-06-22 09:16:55 PM  
1 votes:

Dog Man: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.

It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.


I think I do understand to some extent the truly difficult position you would be in. With judge and pension on one side, and newly homeless individual on the other it's pretty clear you're up against (a rock and a hard place) versus a newly homeless individual with no power.

That said, I've certainly read of incidents where it's been handled better than immediately carting off the victim of the fire.

So when I say, how do you secure her belongings, one answer might be, call the sergeant and her relatives/friends and give her a couple of hours or half a day with a cop onsite. Then he/or she is released as quickly as possible and brought back.

Or call the judge or a different judge and ask for a waiver.

Or call the Red Cross and see if they can rustle up some volunteers.

And no, I don't know how realistic any of that is in *your town*, but where I want to live, cops use discretion, prosecutors use discretion, and newly homeless victims of fire aren't arrested over a ticket and taken away from the ruins of their home.
2013-06-22 08:39:10 PM  
1 votes:
Proving the law is only for poor people.  A rich guy could get a lawyer to appear in court for him.
2013-06-22 08:20:09 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA "A hit on the automatic plate reader"

My guess is this registers in the cop's car and also remotely in some electronic log of the cop's activity. I think this feature was designed in part to eliminate the cop's discretionary power.

It's a lousy way of doing things, a cop shouldn't have to drag someone who is in the midst of personal tragedy to jail. What defines us as human beings is compassion.
2013-06-22 08:18:03 PM  
1 votes:

Snort: Obey the automated licence plate reader. Do not question the database.


At least show up incourt and call bullshiat on it.

That's what the arrest was actually for...failure to appear, not a traffic violation.
2013-06-22 08:13:01 PM  
1 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


Don't be reasonable here.
2013-06-22 07:58:47 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!

And yet, when cops do exercise discretion and let someone go, people like you are often screaming how wrong it is for cops to show favoritism and let "certain people" go because they're other cops, or politicians or whatever.

What you mean is, Cops should let nice, poor or people YOU think are "innocent" go, and only arrest other cops, mean people, or those whom you think OUGHT to go to jail because you don't like them much.

To put this in perspective, if this woman had been a cop, arrested for ignoring an outstanding traffic warrant, you'd be cheering because finally the farking jackass got what he deserved for once. No discretion for him, nosir.


wow you are a huge troll... I am putting you on ignore for obvious reasons.
2013-06-22 07:43:12 PM  
1 votes:

Astorix: If she lived in a trailer and was sick, it's very likely she couldn't afford to pay all the tickets. Ah, the 21st century America. The return of the debtor's prison.


Yeah sure; its the corporations and governments fault people choose to be up to their eyeballs in debt just so they can have the latest new toys and the biggest house; so when shiat happens they have no money to float themselves on or cover bills.  It's called living within your means and saving for a rainy day.

And yes, I know; its been a shiatty decade; tons of unemployment etc; I spent almost two years unemployed after I got my discharge; but I also never went out and got a loan on a $40k SUV with spinners and bling or a house I couldn't afford; so I was able to cover every bill I had with my savings and unemployment comp until I was able to find a job.  Which actually involved moving across country back home to where there ARE jobs in my field.

Look, I agree it was bad timing; and maybe there WERE extenuating circumstances that prevented her from appearing in court when she was ordered to; but apparently if there was she chose not to inform the courts who then rightly issued the warrant.  Trust me when I say I'm no fan or white knight of cops; or at least not the ones we usually hear about on the news, but in this case he genuinely WAS doing his job and didn't (appear) to cross that line of abuse that so many seem too.

I know this is getting ranty; and I don't mean my aggression to be directed at you Astorix; I'm just sick of everyone having this mentality of "well it certainly isn't MY fault" this country has developed.  If everyone just owned up to their mistakes this world would run a bunch smoother.
2013-06-22 07:31:13 PM  
1 votes:

YouSirAreAMaroon: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

Good point because cops get fired all the time.


They do.  Quite a lot of them, quite a bit of the time actually.  We've had three fired at my agency in the past two years, all of them legitimate firings.

If I fail to arrest somebody I'm bound by law to arrest, or bound by policy to arrest, I risk being fired.
2013-06-22 07:31:00 PM  
1 votes:

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


People don't get arrested for unpaid traffic tickets here.  They get arrested for failing to appear in court when ordered.  The judiciary's dignity is its only inherent power. Any affront to that dignity must be dealt with ruthlessly.
2013-06-22 07:02:28 PM  
1 votes:
Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!
2013-06-22 06:37:30 PM  
1 votes:
What else should having your house burn down get you out of? Petty theft? Grand theft? Assault?
2013-06-22 06:36:34 PM  
1 votes:

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?

So they yell "Stop," and if that doesn't work, they yell "Stop" again. Maybe that works in a country with twelve people in it.


This.

We have way too many people who have to actually be hauled off to jail before they'll pay a fine.  Why do you think boots had to be designed for cars?  Otherwise, folks would just continue to keep doing the same stupid mistakes and ignoring courtesy of others.  The only annoying part is when they are busted, we get to hear them say it's everyone else's fault.  The Canadian method was tried here, that is how Flint got to be the worst city.  No one worried about the consequences.

/'Hey man, don't go shooting that house up.'
//'I'm still walking the streets ain't I.'
2013-06-22 06:34:37 PM  
1 votes:
Compassion

fark you
2013-06-22 06:29:23 PM  
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).


Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.
2013-06-22 06:26:02 PM  
1 votes:
They would never do this to a white forest woman.
2013-06-22 06:25:44 PM  
1 votes:

barc0001: Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


Because locking up the highest percentage of our population than any other country on the planet(which perhaps the exception of Best Korea, but even then it's close) is something we can still claim being number one.
2013-06-22 06:18:53 PM  
1 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.


The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?
2013-06-22 06:07:11 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: "McCormack was hospitalized Thursday with chest pain, the neighbor said. She needed medical attention again on Friday after she was taken into custody "

Well, at least she won't have to pay for the second round.  I'm betting she has no health insurance.

/always look on the bright side of life


and a place to saty
 
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