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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   Sifting through the ruins of your home destroyed in a wildfire? Have an outstanding traffic warrant? You're under arrest   (gazette.com) divider line 96
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2013-06-22 03:46:50 PM
Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?
 
2013-06-22 04:28:08 PM
Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.
 
2013-06-22 06:00:16 PM
"McCormack was hospitalized Thursday with chest pain, the neighbor said. She needed medical attention again on Friday after she was taken into custody "

Well, at least she won't have to pay for the second round.  I'm betting she has no health insurance.

/always look on the bright side of life
 
2013-06-22 06:07:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "McCormack was hospitalized Thursday with chest pain, the neighbor said. She needed medical attention again on Friday after she was taken into custody "

Well, at least she won't have to pay for the second round.  I'm betting she has no health insurance.

/always look on the bright side of life


and a place to saty
 
2013-06-22 06:08:11 PM
stay not satay , I don't even know if she grills
 
2013-06-22 06:09:36 PM
I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.
 
2013-06-22 06:09:56 PM
No sympathy here. Her home is gone so what's to keep her from moving out of the area? As dumb as it sounds over a traffic ticket, there's people out there who'll intentionally blow that shiat off indefinitely or move to another state to avoid it.
 
2013-06-22 06:10:20 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?
 
2013-06-22 06:10:25 PM
Obey the automated licence plate reader. Do not question the database.
 
2013-06-22 06:13:16 PM
"I can't believe they arrested her at this time because she did lose her trailer and everything in it," the neighbor said.


Because she's a flight risk now, that's why. The popo let her ride for as long as they could to rack up the maximum fines. It's now time to harvest that crop before it heads out and is never seen again.
 
2013-06-22 06:15:05 PM

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


Weird right. A lot of talk about freedom and liberty when in reality what they loooooove is to have a boot shoved up their ass.
 
2013-06-22 06:15:06 PM
People with warrants out for them are subject to arrest.  Should I be shocked or outraged or something?
 
2013-06-22 06:16:02 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.


Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).
 
2013-06-22 06:17:23 PM

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


So they yell "Stop," and if that doesn't work, they yell "Stop" again. Maybe that works in a country with twelve people in it.
 
2013-06-22 06:18:53 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.


The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?
 
2013-06-22 06:25:44 PM

barc0001: Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


Because locking up the highest percentage of our population than any other country on the planet(which perhaps the exception of Best Korea, but even then it's close) is something we can still claim being number one.
 
2013-06-22 06:26:02 PM
They would never do this to a white forest woman.
 
2013-06-22 06:29:23 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).


Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.
 
2013-06-22 06:34:37 PM
Compassion

fark you
 
2013-06-22 06:36:34 PM

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?

So they yell "Stop," and if that doesn't work, they yell "Stop" again. Maybe that works in a country with twelve people in it.


This.

We have way too many people who have to actually be hauled off to jail before they'll pay a fine.  Why do you think boots had to be designed for cars?  Otherwise, folks would just continue to keep doing the same stupid mistakes and ignoring courtesy of others.  The only annoying part is when they are busted, we get to hear them say it's everyone else's fault.  The Canadian method was tried here, that is how Flint got to be the worst city.  No one worried about the consequences.

/'Hey man, don't go shooting that house up.'
//'I'm still walking the streets ain't I.'
 
2013-06-22 06:36:37 PM
Isn't a warrant a warrant no matter what it's for? Does the officer know if its a warrant for something minor? Also, does the officer have discretion to ignore a warrant?
 
2013-06-22 06:37:30 PM
What else should having your house burn down get you out of? Petty theft? Grand theft? Assault?
 
2013-06-22 06:37:38 PM
Hey, at least now she's got somewhere to stay.
 
2013-06-22 06:42:00 PM
The warrant was for a failure to appear in court, said Kramer, who added that he was unsure what the original traffic charge was regarding.

Bullshiat, he saw the charges immediately pop up on the screen. He just doesn't want to let it out that they just arrested some poor, sick, now homeless woman on a $25 parking ticket.
 
2013-06-22 06:47:35 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.


Good point because cops get fired all the time.
 
2013-06-22 06:49:57 PM
Cops that do this are disgusting bullies.  Gotta get those tickets. Moneymoneymoney..

I'd call them pigs, but that would be insulting to real pigs.
 
2013-06-22 06:50:19 PM

Bslim: barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?

Weird right. A lot of talk about freedom and liberty when in reality what they loooooove is to have a boot shoved up their ass.


I sure don't miss the jackbooted marchstepping going on there. It seems to have accelerated the last 10 years to just plain unreasonable.
 
2013-06-22 06:55:20 PM

Benjimin_Dover: "I can't believe they arrested her at this time because she did lose her trailer and everything in it," the neighbor said.


Because she's a flight risk now, that's why. The popo let her ride for as long as they could to rack up the maximum fines. It's now time to harvest that crop before it heads out and is never seen again.


Wait, it was a TRAILER??

Hm, the article seems to be gone. I guess it was a flight risk as well.
 
2013-06-22 06:58:56 PM
I hope she can get health care.
 
2013-06-22 07:02:28 PM
Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!
 
2013-06-22 07:04:23 PM
A warrant for an arrest can't be ignored. We have to make the arrest. If it's for a ticket, it's because they didn't appear in court. Not appearing for your hearing is like telling the judge to go fark himself, so he makes you come in and make your appearance with a free ride and pretty silver bracelets.

In Florida, warrants sent issued for parking tickets if you don't show up to parking court they just nail you with a bigger fine.

We can't ignore warrants. It's neglect of duty if you do.
 
2013-06-22 07:04:53 PM
Nice trolling "OMG..ALL COPS ARE HEARTLESS ASSHOLES!" story tardpaper. She had a warrant, try showing up for court when you're needed and ordered to.

/next story.
 
2013-06-22 07:07:38 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Cops that do this are disgusting bullies.  Gotta get those tickets. Moneymoneymoney..

I'd call them pigs, but that would be insulting to real pigs.


Cops that do what, their job? Yeah, those guys suck.

If this lady didn't want to have a warrant, she shouldn't have committed the crime in the first place, but failing that, should have either shown up in court or not blown off the fine she received if she did, because that's the only reason they will issue an arrest warrant in Colorado Springs/El Paso county for a traffic violation. Sucks to be her, shait happens.
 
2013-06-22 07:10:51 PM

barc0001: What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?

 
2013-06-22 07:14:33 PM
If she lived in a trailer and was sick, it's very likely she couldn't afford to pay all the tickets. Ah, the 21st century America. The return of the debtor's prison.
 
2013-06-22 07:17:23 PM

Skywolf the Scribbler: barc0001: What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?


because people are insane and tell cops "i didn't do NOTHING!!"
 
2013-06-22 07:27:21 PM

Astorix: If she lived in a trailer and was sick, it's very likely she couldn't afford to pay all the tickets. Ah, the 21st century America. The return of the debtor's prison.


Yeah, and the tough guys who advocate locking her up in this thread probably scream the loudest about "MAH RIGHTS" any time they feel the Government is bearing down on them.

LOLibertarians.
 
2013-06-22 07:28:45 PM

RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?


Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.
 
2013-06-22 07:31:00 PM

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


People don't get arrested for unpaid traffic tickets here.  They get arrested for failing to appear in court when ordered.  The judiciary's dignity is its only inherent power. Any affront to that dignity must be dealt with ruthlessly.
 
2013-06-22 07:31:13 PM

YouSirAreAMaroon: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

Good point because cops get fired all the time.


They do.  Quite a lot of them, quite a bit of the time actually.  We've had three fired at my agency in the past two years, all of them legitimate firings.

If I fail to arrest somebody I'm bound by law to arrest, or bound by policy to arrest, I risk being fired.
 
2013-06-22 07:36:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).

Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.


And sending her to jail results in the same outcome at 100 times the cost to the taxpayer. Farking Phyrrhic victories, how do they work?

If she refuses to pay when she takes her car in for registration, take it and auction it. If she doesn't register her car again, take it from her the next time a cop gets a hit on the plates. I really don't understand this "lock 'em up for the slightest infraction" mentality. It's a waste of resources and needlessly escalates otherwise (usually) resolvable situations.
 
2013-06-22 07:36:57 PM

Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!


Many places have no discretion when it comes to arrest warrants.  It's a command by a judge to make an arrest, and many places require just that.

I've got discretion on a wide variety of things, but there are still things where I've had that discretion stripped by the legislature, or by a command by a judge (i.e. a warrant).

Some jurisdictions this doesn't apply to.
 
2013-06-22 07:41:04 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: The My Little Pony Killer: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).

Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.

And sending her to jail results in the same outcome at 100 times the cost to the taxpayer. Farking Phyrrhic victories, how do they work?

If she refuses to pay when she takes her car in for registration, take it and auction it. If she doesn't register her car again, take it from her the next time a cop gets a hit on the plates. I really don't understand this "lock 'em up for the slightest infraction" mentality. It's a waste of resources and needlessly escalates otherwise (usually) resolvable situations.


But yet you are ok with confiscating property. Dipshiat.
 
2013-06-22 07:43:12 PM

Astorix: If she lived in a trailer and was sick, it's very likely she couldn't afford to pay all the tickets. Ah, the 21st century America. The return of the debtor's prison.


Yeah sure; its the corporations and governments fault people choose to be up to their eyeballs in debt just so they can have the latest new toys and the biggest house; so when shiat happens they have no money to float themselves on or cover bills.  It's called living within your means and saving for a rainy day.

And yes, I know; its been a shiatty decade; tons of unemployment etc; I spent almost two years unemployed after I got my discharge; but I also never went out and got a loan on a $40k SUV with spinners and bling or a house I couldn't afford; so I was able to cover every bill I had with my savings and unemployment comp until I was able to find a job.  Which actually involved moving across country back home to where there ARE jobs in my field.

Look, I agree it was bad timing; and maybe there WERE extenuating circumstances that prevented her from appearing in court when she was ordered to; but apparently if there was she chose not to inform the courts who then rightly issued the warrant.  Trust me when I say I'm no fan or white knight of cops; or at least not the ones we usually hear about on the news, but in this case he genuinely WAS doing his job and didn't (appear) to cross that line of abuse that so many seem too.

I know this is getting ranty; and I don't mean my aggression to be directed at you Astorix; I'm just sick of everyone having this mentality of "well it certainly isn't MY fault" this country has developed.  If everyone just owned up to their mistakes this world would run a bunch smoother.
 
2013-06-22 07:44:17 PM

Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!


And yet, when cops do exercise discretion and let someone go, people like you are often screaming how wrong it is for cops to show favoritism and let "certain people" go because they're other cops, or politicians or whatever.

What you mean is, Cops should let nice, poor or people YOU think are "innocent" go, and only arrest other cops, mean people, or those whom you think OUGHT to go to jail because you don't like them much.

To put this in perspective, if this woman had been a cop, arrested for ignoring an outstanding traffic warrant, you'd be cheering because finally the farking jackass got what he deserved for once. No discretion for him, nosir.
 
2013-06-22 07:44:34 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: The My Little Pony Killer: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).

Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.

And sending her to jail results in the same outcome at 100 times the cost to the taxpayer. Farking Phyrrhic victories, how do they work?

If she refuses to pay when she takes her car in for registration, take it and auction it. If she doesn't register her car again, take it from her the next time a cop gets a hit on the plates. I really don't understand this "lock 'em up for the slightest infraction" mentality. It's a waste of resources and needlessly escalates otherwise (usually) resolvable situations.


People have to "take their car in" for registration where you live? Here in FL it's all done on-line.
 
2013-06-22 07:50:35 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?

Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.


Sorry you dislike that. That's how we plebeians see it when you choose to do something you know is wrong but will only result in a boot stomping on our face.

So tell me, you come across a person sifting through the ashes of their home picking out what can be saved.

You arrest them on a traffic warrant.

What will you do to secure their belongings?
 
2013-06-22 07:52:58 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: And sending her to jail results in the same outcome at 100 times the cost to the taxpayer. Farking Phyrrhic victories, how do they work?


I'm not saying that there aren't other options available in theory; many of which are likely better (or at least cheaper in the long run); however the fact stands that a warrant was issued for a failure to appear; and was acted upon by the officer.

I don't believe in this country a simple "keep sending them bills" or "make them pay when they renew their registration" would ever work, at least not in this century.  Far too many people take the stance of "ignore it and it'll go away" and the sad thing is, it often works.  Someone mentioned car boots as an example earlier, and I agree.  If people had the spine to own up to their mistakes, we wouldn't have invented the damn thing.  Instead people blow off their tickets or whatever, and as such we've had to resort to stronger measures.

So what other alternative is there?  She made a mistake and got a ticket for something; failed to correct it; so the courts say "ok, you don't want to come in on your own so you'll come in by force."
 
2013-06-22 07:53:29 PM
Sort of funny how someone with the name of HideAndGoFarkYourself gets upset with the comments of others. Typical police double standard I guess.
 
2013-06-22 07:56:07 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People have to "take their car in" for registration where you live? Here in FL it's all done on-line.


Most states I've lived in you can do a renewal on-line; by mail, or by wasting your day at the DMV / DoT; unless it's an out-of-state transfer or "new" registration (like you bought it used from someone), then it (usually) has to be done in person so a clerk can verify the VIN and odometer.
 
2013-06-22 07:58:47 PM

Gyrfalcon: Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!

And yet, when cops do exercise discretion and let someone go, people like you are often screaming how wrong it is for cops to show favoritism and let "certain people" go because they're other cops, or politicians or whatever.

What you mean is, Cops should let nice, poor or people YOU think are "innocent" go, and only arrest other cops, mean people, or those whom you think OUGHT to go to jail because you don't like them much.

To put this in perspective, if this woman had been a cop, arrested for ignoring an outstanding traffic warrant, you'd be cheering because finally the farking jackass got what he deserved for once. No discretion for him, nosir.


wow you are a huge troll... I am putting you on ignore for obvious reasons.
 
2013-06-22 08:09:02 PM
A Black Forest woman who was standing outside her uninsured, destroyed mobile home was handcuffed and arrested by El Paso County Sheriff's deputies Friday afternoon on a warrant stemming from a traffic-related charge.

I don't understand the point of pointing out that she was black.  That's kinda racist.
 
2013-06-22 08:13:01 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


Don't be reasonable here.
 
2013-06-22 08:16:26 PM
I assume the asinine tag is for the dumbmitter?

Stupid shiat has consequences
 
2013-06-22 08:16:47 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.


It's quite possible to end up with a bench warrant with no opportunity to appear and avoid it.

I found out I'd received a parking ticket once when I was registering my car. Normally, they'd leave a ticket on your vehicle and mail a copy, but I received neither.  I'm pretty sure it didn't turn into a warrant, but easily could have if my registration were due a few months later.
 
2013-06-22 08:18:03 PM

Snort: Obey the automated licence plate reader. Do not question the database.


At least show up incourt and call bullshiat on it.

That's what the arrest was actually for...failure to appear, not a traffic violation.
 
2013-06-22 08:20:09 PM
FTFA "A hit on the automatic plate reader"

My guess is this registers in the cop's car and also remotely in some electronic log of the cop's activity. I think this feature was designed in part to eliminate the cop's discretionary power.

It's a lousy way of doing things, a cop shouldn't have to drag someone who is in the midst of personal tragedy to jail. What defines us as human beings is compassion.
 
2013-06-22 08:21:27 PM

RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?

Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.

Sorry you dislike that. That's how we plebeians see it when you choose to do something you know is wrong but will only result in a boot stomping on our face.

So tell me, you come across a person sifting through the ashes of their home picking out what can be saved.

You arrest them on a traffic warrant.

What will you do to secure their belongings?


First off, I don't "know it's wrong."  She failed to show up for a court appearance she knew she had.  She made a conscious decision to skirt the law, and ended up with a warrant.  Warrants have to be served.  Period.  You THINK it's wrong, and that's your right.

It's not the responsibility of the police to secure the belongings of people who suffer from acts of god.  If the police kick in a door to serve a warrant, they are sometimes required to take steps to secure the residence in that type of situation.  But there is no legal obligation to secure their property after an act of god.

Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...
 
2013-06-22 08:21:58 PM

fnordfocus: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

It's quite possible to end up with a bench warrant with no opportunity to appear and avoid it.

I found out I'd received a parking ticket once when I was registering my car. Normally, they'd leave a ticket on your vehicle and mail a copy, but I received neither.  I'm pretty sure it didn't turn into a warrant, but easily could have if my registration were due a few months later.


Outstanding parking tickets don't get you arrrested. This would have to have been a moving violation or expired license/failure to carry insurance. In order to get out of those, you register your vehicle/show up with insurance papers and you're free to go.

She lived in a trailer FFS.
 
2013-06-22 08:25:45 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...


Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.
 
2013-06-22 08:28:19 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

basemetal: Meh, if I fail to appear in court, they'll issue a warrant for my arrest too.  Show up, pay your fine, or stand before the man, don't just blow it off.

Or maybe they could refrain from arresting people over something like that in the first place. If the person doesn't show up to traffic court, just render a guilty verdict and assess the ticket cost plus something extra for wasting the court's time. Send the bill and/or have her pony up the next time she registers her vehicle. I guaranfarkingtee you that the arrest and processing is going to cost far more than whatever she owed to begin with. Plus she now gets lodging and health care on the taxpayer's dime (to be fair, though, the latter was likely to happen anyway).


Not my rules, they are the rules of the place we live.  You know the rules. you know the consequences.
 
2013-06-22 08:32:25 PM

pete1729: FTFA "A hit on the automatic plate reader"

My guess is this registers in the cop's car and also remotely in some electronic log of the cop's activity. I think this feature was designed in part to eliminate the cop's discretionary power.

It's a lousy way of doing things, a cop shouldn't have to drag someone who is in the midst of personal tragedy to jail. What defines us as human beings is compassion.


The reader is in the police car. It automatically scans license plates and pops up an alert if it matches a BOLO. It eliminates the need to contact dispatch.

It's not to be confused with a traffic camera.
 
2013-06-22 08:35:28 PM
 
2013-06-22 08:39:10 PM
Proving the law is only for poor people.  A rich guy could get a lawyer to appear in court for him.
 
2013-06-22 08:40:32 PM
At least she would have had a warm dry place to sleep.
 
2013-06-22 08:42:15 PM

barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?


So very much THIS!

I got a speeding ticket in quebec in 2004 when I was driving to alberta to live there. I've never paid it, lost a cpl points off my license which by now will be back on there, and never heard any more about it. And i've had my name run recently in New Brunswick and nothing came up either.
 
2013-06-22 08:52:58 PM

RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.


It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.
 
2013-06-22 08:55:35 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


My very reaction. Cops went to her address and picked her up on an outstanding warrant. The fact that her address was a destroyed trailer is irrelevant to the discussion. She doesn't get a mulligan because her trailer was destroyed.
 
2013-06-22 08:58:56 PM

Maul555: Gyrfalcon: Maul555: Discretion copper... discretion.  Look it up and use it you farking jackass!

And yet, when cops do exercise discretion and let someone go, people like you are often screaming how wrong it is for cops to show favoritism and let "certain people" go because they're other cops, or politicians or whatever.

What you mean is, Cops should let nice, poor or people YOU think are "innocent" go, and only arrest other cops, mean people, or those whom you think OUGHT to go to jail because you don't like them much.

To put this in perspective, if this woman had been a cop, arrested for ignoring an outstanding traffic warrant, you'd be cheering because finally the farking jackass got what he deserved for once. No discretion for him, nosir.

wow you are a huge troll... I am putting you on ignore for obvious reasons.


And not a single Fark was given that day.

Too bad you haven't the balls to acknowledge the point.
 
2013-06-22 09:16:55 PM

Dog Man: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.

It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.


I think I do understand to some extent the truly difficult position you would be in. With judge and pension on one side, and newly homeless individual on the other it's pretty clear you're up against (a rock and a hard place) versus a newly homeless individual with no power.

That said, I've certainly read of incidents where it's been handled better than immediately carting off the victim of the fire.

So when I say, how do you secure her belongings, one answer might be, call the sergeant and her relatives/friends and give her a couple of hours or half a day with a cop onsite. Then he/or she is released as quickly as possible and brought back.

Or call the judge or a different judge and ask for a waiver.

Or call the Red Cross and see if they can rustle up some volunteers.

And no, I don't know how realistic any of that is in *your town*, but where I want to live, cops use discretion, prosecutors use discretion, and newly homeless victims of fire aren't arrested over a ticket and taken away from the ruins of their home.
 
2013-06-22 09:18:11 PM
and Zimmerman uses disgresiiton.
 
2013-06-22 09:20:42 PM

dopekitty74: barc0001: ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?

What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible?  I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.  We just let the bureaucrats handle it.  You don't pay a ticket?  Good luck renewing your insurance.  Drive your car without insurance?  You'll get pulled over by the cops, given another ticket and your car towed, then left on the side of the road with plenty of time to figure out how you're going to get the scratch to pay for your tickets, insurance and impound fees as you continue your journey on foot.

Simple, effective, and nobody needs to go to jail.  What the hell, USA?

So very much THIS!

I got a speeding ticket in quebec in 2004 when I was driving to alberta to live there. I've never paid it, lost a cpl points off my license which by now will be back on there, and never heard any more about it. And i've had my name run recently in New Brunswick and nothing came up either.


don't get stopped again in Quebec until you do, or they'll probably impound your car, unless they've abandoned it, I wouldn't be suprised if they still have it in their system

as for the morons going "sending bills for not paying bills won't work" what the hell do you think impounding their car does?

This is why it works

Instead of impounding the car and arresting the person making them a huge burden on the state, you impound the car only so they can still work and pay the original and new fines to get their car back. That or the car get's auctioned off and the fines are paid with that.

Jesus how hard is that to understand.

If you don't pay your fines, you can't renew your registration, if your registration is expired, your car gets impounded, there is no way out of paying your fines unless you have an inexhaustible supply of cars.
 
2013-06-22 09:21:37 PM
Outrage! Outrage!!!

Wait, what am I outraged about again?
 
2013-06-22 09:22:18 PM

RoyBatty: Dog Man: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.

It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.

I think I do understand to some extent the truly difficult position you would be in. With judge and pension on one side, and newly homeless individual on the other it's pretty clear you're up against (a rock and a hard place) versus a newly homeless individual with no power.

That said, I've certainly read of incidents where it's been handled better than immediately carting off the victim of the fire.

So when I say, how do you secure her belongings, one answer might be, call the sergeant and her relatives/friends and give her a couple of hours or half a day with a cop onsite. Then he/or she is released as quickly as possible and brought back.

Or call the judge or a different judge and ask for a waiver.

Or call the Red Cross and see if they can rustle up some volunteers.

And no, I don't know how realistic any of that is in *your town*, but where I want to live, cops use discretion, prosecutors use discretion, and newly homeless victims of fire aren't arrested over a ticket and taken away from the ruins of their home.


It's a wildfire, you really think the red cross and hundreds of volunteers weren't already onsite.

It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.
 
2013-06-22 09:23:00 PM
You're wanted on an outstanding arrest warrant.
Oh, but you're having a bad day today?
Okay then, we'll get you some other time when it's more convenient with you!
 
2013-06-22 09:23:55 PM

farkinglizardking: Outrage! Outrage!!!

Wait, what am I outraged about again?


Pick something. There's sure to be something that comes along to outrage you sooner or later.
 
2013-06-22 09:37:37 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Cops that do this are disgusting bullies.  Gotta get those tickets. Moneymoneymoney..

I'd call them pigs, but that would be insulting to real pigs.


Maybe she should of been responsible and pay her fine.
 
2013-06-22 09:46:35 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.


As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.
 
2013-06-22 10:30:36 PM

barc0001: What the hell is it with the US and their fetish to lock people up for anything possible? I don't know if it's even POSSIBLE to be arrested in Canada for an outstanding traffic ticket, I sure has hell have never heard of it happening.


She was arrested for failing to appear in court, not the traffic violation itself.
 
2013-06-22 10:40:37 PM

Shan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People have to "take their car in" for registration where you live? Here in FL it's all done on-line.

Most states I've lived in you can do a renewal on-line; by mail, or by wasting your day at the DMV / DoT; unless it's an out-of-state transfer or "new" registration (like you bought it used from someone), then it (usually) has to be done in person so a clerk can verify the VIN and odometer.


In nova Scotia, failing to show up is an automatic conviction, a letter to your insurance company who will raise your rates, and the inability to renew your drivers license or permit, followed up with referral to a collection agency which appears on your credit report, and possible tax or wage garnishing by the CRA (IRS equivalent ) They WILL Get your money. Oh, and an automatic week long suspension for any speeding infraction. But no jail time.
 
2013-06-22 10:46:05 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?

Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.


"I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg, asshole. You'll get yours at the day of reckoning.
 
2013-06-22 10:47:12 PM

RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.

As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.


Yes, he should be out arresting mayors who drive drunk instead of letting them go, as I noted above. Cops exercising discretion is great when they're exercising it for people we think they should be letting off the hook; but not so great when they're exercising it for people we think should be doing extra time for being entitled douchebags, amirite?

But when rabble-rousers like me dare point this out, suddenly I'M the bad person for wondering why we have this contradictory attitude towards our law enforcement personnel.
 
2013-06-22 10:57:22 PM

Gyrfalcon: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.

As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.

Yes, he should be out arresting mayors who drive drunk instead of letting them go, as I noted above. Cops exercising discretion is great when they're exercising it for people we think they should be letting off the hook; but not so great when they're exercising it for people we think should be doing extra time for being entitled douchebags, amirite?

But when rabble-rousers like me dare point this out, suddenly I'M the bad person for wondering why we have this contradictory attitude towards our law enforcement personnel.


Hey I never said you were a bad person, just that you are drawn badly.  i.imgur.com

But I do think discretion is discretion, it doesn't let people off the hook due to power, poverty, etc., it looks at the circumstances and the severity and the victims and the restitution.

It should be applied to everyone evenly with some exceptions, mainly by being stricter on public and corporate officials, mainly because they will be well represented by lawyers.
 
2013-06-22 10:59:54 PM

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.

As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.

Yes, he should be out arresting mayors who drive drunk instead of letting them go, as I noted above. Cops exercising discretion is great when they're exercising it for people we think they should be letting off the hook; but not so great when they're exercising it for people we think should be doing extra time for being entitled douchebags, amirite?

But when rabble-rousers like me dare point this out, suddenly I'M the bad person for wondering why we have this contradictory attitude towards our law enforcement personnel.

Hey I never said you were a bad person, just that you are drawn badly.  [i.imgur.com image 287x145]

But I do think discretion is discretion, it doesn't let people off the hook due to power, poverty, etc., it looks at the circumstances and the severity and the victims and the restitution.

It should be applied to everyone evenly with some exceptions, mainly by being stricter on public and corporate officials, mainly because they will be well represented by lawyers.


No argument there.
 
2013-06-22 11:01:07 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


No sympathy for those that break the rules eh? Well, neither does law enforcement.  We should all remember that when we want more laws and tougher rules and sentences for more common infractions.  They don't care about anything BUT the rules, so don't ask them to enforce bad ones.
 
2013-06-22 11:02:46 PM
I dislike how the easy, lazy path for law and officials and clerks and judges is just to fine people, increase the fines, imprison over very little and just stomp people out.

It may be paranoia, I feel as though I am walking on eggshells in society today, one misstep and the eye of the Internet is shined on me, and the holy wrath of society. Worse, no one is there to see and it's just the shallow everyday drudge work of a few bureaucrats invisibly, silently hammering the nails down.
 
2013-06-23 01:08:56 AM
Don't Do the Crime If You Live Among Pines
 
2013-06-23 01:32:04 AM
I murdered someone but my friend just died in a horrible car accident, so can't we just let it slide until I get really, really far away?
 
2013-06-23 04:26:01 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Yes, keep sending her bills that she's going to keep just not paying. That'll learn her a thing or two.


Oh, but putting someone in jail for being poor is IMMINENTLY preferable, in your estimation. Dumbass. She's costing the taxpayers money sitting in jail, and since her home just burned down with everything she owned inside and she had no insurance, I don't think she's going to be paying her fine anytime real soon.
 
2013-06-23 04:27:46 AM

95BV5: HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I have little sympathy.  On one hand, it sucks about her house.  But one had nothing to do with the other.

If I stop a person and it's an extraditable warrant, I'm required by our department policy to arrest that person, unless they have a medical condition which would prevent them from safely making it to the jail.  So, unless the person is having a heart attack, they go to jail.

Her hard luck story about her house being destroyed isn't worth me losing my career and livelihood over.

The department policy is an ass. Don't be an ass yourself.

People sifting through the remains of their homes have more pressing issues than sucking your dick over a misdemeanor traffic warrant. After you arrest her, are you going to back and secure her belongings and make sure no one rips them off?

Classy.

I don't make the policies, and whether or not I agree with them, I'm required to abide by them.  She could have easily avoided having a warrant out for her arrest by taking care of whatever the charge was that caused the warrant to be issued in the first place.

Like I said, and like I'll stand by, it's not worth losing my career over, so she would have gone to jail.

"I was just following orders" didn't work at Nuremberg, asshole. You'll get yours at the day of reckoning.


Riiiiight, because being commanded by a judge to arrest a person after he's carefully reviewed the relveant documentation is the same as gassing millions of people and engaging in mass genocide.

Talk about asshole...
 
2013-06-23 04:33:47 AM

RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.

As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.


No, my attitude is perfectly fine.  Yours needs some work though.  You fail to understand that the officer may not have had a choice in the matter, as I've pointed out.  When i run a person's name on my computer, if they have a warrant, it sends an alert to the dispatch center, who then asks if the hit is accurate.  If I lie, I lose my credibility, and quite possibly my job.  If I tell them the truth, then my supervisors are going to be expecting me to log a person in custody and start transporting to jail.  The only exception is if they're in need of life saving treatment.

There are things I'm willing to lose my job for.  I've mentioned those things in discussions on this very page many, many times.  A heartbreaking story about a person losing their trailer to a wildfire isn't one fo them.  Yes, it's horrible.  She would not have gone to jail if she didn't fail to appear.  To have a failure to appear warrant, she'd have to have had notice of the court date, be it on a citation, or a summons to appear.  SHE chose not to show up.

The wildfire isn't the fault of the police, ergo, they're not required to sit outside (as you suggest) to "secure her property."

I'd guess the "plebians" that you keep referring to would rather the police not babysit a pile of rubble, but instead be out doing other more important jobs.
 
2013-06-23 04:40:52 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: Dog Man: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.

It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.

I think I do understand to some extent the truly difficult position you would be in. With judge and pension on one side, and newly homeless individual on the other it's pretty clear you're up against (a rock and a hard place) versus a newly homeless individual with no power.

That said, I've certainly read of incidents where it's been handled better than immediately carting off the victim of the fire.

So when I say, how do you secure her belongings, one answer might be, call the sergeant and her relatives/friends and give her a couple of hours or half a day with a cop onsite. Then he/or she is released as quickly as possible and brought back.

Or call the judge or a different judge and ask for a waiver.

Or call the Red Cross and see if they can rustle up some volunteers.

And no, I don't know how realistic any of that is in *your town*, but where I want to live, cops use discretion, prosecutors use discretion, and newly homeless victims of fire aren't arrested over a ticket and taken away from the ruins of their home.

It's a wildfire, you really think the red cross and hundreds of volunteers weren't already onsite.

It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.


You are SUCH a dick.. Tell me, is that why you were attracted to the job, or is it that years of being a cop have turned you that way? I'm guessing the former...
 
2013-06-23 06:55:56 AM

fnordfocus: cretinbob: Outstanding parking tickets don't get you arrrested.

Possibly where you work, but this is very false in many states. Just for example:

PA:  http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98295
OH:  http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20418
IL:  http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15707
NJ:  http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-400823.html
KS:  http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/aug/31/parking-infractions-can-beco m e-ticket-jail/


Wow, that's farking retarded.
 
2013-06-23 07:13:15 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail for their own poor deicion.  There are legitimate emergencies and police work to be done, not babysitting rubble.

Again, it's not the job of the police to secure her residence after an act of god.  Period.

As I said before, that's fine, just don't wonder why the plebeians hate you. You have a shiatty attitude.

No, my attitude is perfectly fine.  Yours needs some work though.  You fail to understand that the officer may not have had a choice in the matter, as I've pointed out.  When i run a person's name on my computer, if they have a warrant, it sends an alert to the dispatch center, who then asks if the hit is accurate.  If I lie, I lose my credibility, and quite possibly my job.  If I tell them the truth, then my supervisors are going to be expecting me to log a person in custody and start transporting to jail.  The only exception is if they're in need of life saving treatment.

There are things I'm willing to lose my job for.  I've mentioned those things in discussions on this very page many, many times.  A heartbreaking story about a person losing their trailer to a wildfire isn't one fo them.  Yes, it's horrible.  She would not have gone to jail if she didn't fail to appear.  To have a failure to appear warrant, she'd have to have had notice of the court date, be it on a citation, or a summons to appear.  SHE chose not to show up.

The wildfire isn't the fault of the police, ergo, they're not required to sit outside (as you suggest) to "secure her property."

I'd guess the "plebians" that you keep referring to would rather the police not babysit a pile of rubble, but instead be out doing other more important jobs.


all right "mr. patrician".  or sandwich "artisan"
 
2013-06-23 01:04:16 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Yeah, shiatty timing, but maybe she should pay that ticket or show up to fight it next time, hmmm?


Done in one, nothing more to see here.
 
2013-06-23 10:26:17 PM

dopekitty74: HideAndGoFarkYourself: RoyBatty: Dog Man: RoyBatty: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Tell me how you secure a house that has been decimated by a wildfire anyway...

Exactly, which is why carting her off immediately is such an asinine power play.

It's not a "power play." You're intentionally choosing to see this as something that it isn't. Police officers have an obligation to arrest someone who has an active warrant issued by the court. There is no leeway. We have to arrest.

On top of that, every name and tag you run is logged on the computer. We are subject to audit from the state and federal agencies that provide us with state and NCIC access. They can audit those records and we have to explain why we decided to violate a court order and let someone with a warrant go.

I think I do understand to some extent the truly difficult position you would be in. With judge and pension on one side, and newly homeless individual on the other it's pretty clear you're up against (a rock and a hard place) versus a newly homeless individual with no power.

That said, I've certainly read of incidents where it's been handled better than immediately carting off the victim of the fire.

So when I say, how do you secure her belongings, one answer might be, call the sergeant and her relatives/friends and give her a couple of hours or half a day with a cop onsite. Then he/or she is released as quickly as possible and brought back.

Or call the judge or a different judge and ask for a waiver.

Or call the Red Cross and see if they can rustle up some volunteers.

And no, I don't know how realistic any of that is in *your town*, but where I want to live, cops use discretion, prosecutors use discretion, and newly homeless victims of fire aren't arrested over a ticket and taken away from the ruins of their home.

It's a wildfire, you really think the red cross and hundreds of volunteers weren't already onsite.

It's not my job to sit around outside somebody's burnt out house while they're in jail fo ...


I'm a dick for pointing out the obvious?  SHE made the decision not to show up to her court date.  It's not like she wasn't notified of it.  She willingly didn't show up.  Is it sad that her house burnt down?  Yes.

If I'd watched her sifting through the rubble and doing something illegal, like drive on a suspended license to go get food or something at the store, I wouldn't dream of arresting her for it.

Like I said, I DO NOT have a choice when it comes to warrants.  Period.  I am mandated to arrest that person. I am commanded by a judge to do it, and I have to do it.  The argument about "what are you going to do to secure her home" is nonsense, as it's not an issue.  Her home was destroyed, first of all.  Secondly, we have no obligation to secure a persons property after an act of god.  None.  Would it be nice if we could, yes, it would be.  If that was the case, that's all the police and fire personnel in Oklahoma would STILL be doing.  It's just not feasible.  If the police had forced their way into the house and caused damage themselves, they'd be responsible for securing the property.  Otherwise, we're not.

You don't like it, fine.  I don't care.  I'm not willing to lose my job over that.  If I was ordered to violate rights, i'd walk away from the job and never look back.  But losing my job for overlooking a warrant?  Not going to happen, and NONE of you would be willing to lose your jobs for it too.  You might say you would be to try to paint me as a dick, but when it came down to it, you wouldn't.
 
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