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(AlterNet)   WTF Vermont? We thought you were cool   ( divider line
    More: Asinine, try, attorney-client privilege, due process, Bernie Sanders, John Franco  
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7405 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 Jun 2013 at 4:37 PM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-06-22 12:03:15 PM  
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The story from Vermont, of all places, is breathtakingly simple: the elected city council, in a bi-partisan vote, has decided to keep its law-making process secret, rather than openly address the question of whether a draconian no-trespass law it passed last winter is patently unconstitutional.

make me some tea: This is what we have to look forward to with socialism.

That's not socialism, it's authoritarianism. And both parties absolutely love it.
2013-06-22 10:41:44 PM  
1 vote:

thrgd456: I'm not seeing what is bad about this law.

thrgd456: Basically they want to trespass people (potentially homeless people) from a certain area of town.

That's what's bad about this law.

thrgd456: You of course realize that there are vagrancy laws in many many many municipalities across the nation.

And vagrancy laws are largely bad laws, and often unenforceable and unconstitutional. They've been a tool for cities to abuse those least able to use the process of government. After the Civil War, they were one of the many  manylaws built to enshrine racism. Cities are free to make certain behaviors illegal- loitering, panhandling, prostitution, etc. They cannot make  people illegal, or deny citizens access to public places.

But that's not the worst part about this law- the worst part is that the city is claiming they don't need to explain the law or the reasoning used to create it.
2013-06-22 04:56:16 PM  
1 vote:

Shakin_Haitian: balloot: Don't challenge the hobo lobby.  They are masters at getting small donations - just like Obama!

You'd love this webcomic.

Holy shiat, those are so awful they make my soul hurt.  Right wingers are so bad at humor...jesus...
2013-06-22 04:41:32 PM  
1 vote:
make me some tea:  I don't know what words mean..
2013-06-22 01:58:28 PM  
1 vote:
Not Vermont but Burlington.

In support of this look at the riff-raff that they are cleaning up:

I mean, who wants that on your streets.
2013-06-22 01:37:20 PM  
1 vote:
It could be worse. Northampton had a regular policy to sweep up transients and then drop them off in neighboring Holyoke, because no one wanted the dirty hobos and junkies on the streets, nor did they want to use up their shelter space or to waste perfectly good rehab slots for homeless folks, as opposed to the folks with jobs. That was decided without a city council vote, and simply enacted by the local police as simple policy. It worked out great for statistics, because the folks that they dumped over the town line never showed up on their rolls, save as transport costs, and the police made it sound like they were helping people to their homes, despite great inconvenience to the force.

Yeah, the Northampton cops are a just sweethearts like that...

/in fairness, when I bounced there were some good cops I worked with, but there is still a lot of weird politics for such a "progressive" town...
2013-06-22 12:22:26 PM  
1 vote:
How can a city council hide behind client-attorney privileges on a legal opinion justifying a public ordinance?  Even the Bush Administration felt obligated to release its legal reasonings about its policies. I can't see how this stands up in court.

/never mind going to court to settle the constitutionality of the ordinance itself
//politicians really seem to hate the first amendment
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