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(Bleeding Cool)   The entire history of the Marvel Universe now takes place after 9/11. Well, at least this means that Doctor Doom no longer shed a tear at Ground Zero   (bleedingcool.com) divider line 69
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2013-06-22 11:41:32 AM
goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-06-22 12:29:22 PM
Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.
 
2013-06-22 12:30:48 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.


Hey, you're supposed to shoot buildings into space, not drive planes into them.

THERE'S A LINE, MAN!
 
2013-06-22 12:41:19 PM
I, VICTOR VON DOOM, must have touched a nerve yesterday, subby.
 
2013-06-22 12:42:28 PM
"fark, i coulda just crashed a plane into the Baxter building, why didnt i think of that? Cant do it now, ill look like a copycat..."
 
2013-06-22 12:45:04 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.


You obvious dont remember that first year after 9/11. It was pretty crazy.
 
2013-06-22 12:47:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

Hey, you're supposed to shoot buildings into space, not drive planes into them.

THERE'S A LINE, MAN!


Guild of Calamitous Intent rules, essentially.
 
2013-06-22 12:50:09 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.


He was crying over the lack of style. No green cloaks? No robots? Not a single laser. THAT was tragic. And crude.

/plus, Doom was in town to see Cats (again) and al-qaeda totally ruined his whole trip
 
2013-06-22 12:50:30 PM

dwade: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

You obvious dont remember that first year after 9/11. It was pretty crazy.


That issue was released in either November or December 2001, so it was written literally within days of 9/11.

But still, Doom? Doom wouldn't give a shiat. Doom kills his subjects on a whim.
 
2013-06-22 01:02:06 PM
I think that issue is like a bad dream.  Certain stories and issues you just cross out for being so out of touch with the character.
 
ecl
2013-06-22 01:03:12 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
ecl
2013-06-22 01:05:58 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-22 01:08:37 PM
This is why I don't pay the slightest bit of attention to comic book continuity.
 
ecl
2013-06-22 01:09:23 PM
And in the last pose you notice he picks up the cape so you can get a better look at the goods.
 
2013-06-22 01:35:55 PM

Gergesa: I think that issue is like a bad dream.  Certain stories and issues you just cross out for being so out of touch with the character.


It sounds a lot like the first episode of South Park after 9/11. Goddamn is that one dumb, weird episode.

/just old enough to remember how farked this country was in the head after 9/11
//some people just stayed like that
 
2013-06-22 01:36:25 PM

PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

Hey, you're supposed to shoot buildings into space, not drive planes into them.

THERE'S A LINE, MAN!

Guild of Calamitous Intent rules, essentially.


OBL was not an approved Arch of the United States.
 
2013-06-22 01:45:59 PM
Has anyone read past the first issue of the new Thunderbolts?  What about the new Fantastic Four?  They both look like really kick-ass new rosters, just wondering if they're worth the cover price.
 
2013-06-22 01:48:14 PM

Mad_Radhu: PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

Hey, you're supposed to shoot buildings into space, not drive planes into them.

THERE'S A LINE, MAN!

Guild of Calamitous Intent rules, essentially.

OBL was not an approved Arch of the United States.


Sounds like they needed...
 
2013-06-22 01:49:19 PM

mooseyfate: Mad_Radhu: PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

Hey, you're supposed to shoot buildings into space, not drive planes into them.

THERE'S A LINE, MAN!

Guild of Calamitous Intent rules, essentially.

OBL was not an approved Arch of the United States.

Sounds like they needed...


img.fark.net

/let's try that again...
 
2013-06-22 01:49:42 PM

mooseyfate: Has anyone read past the first issue of the new Thunderbolts?  What about the new Fantastic Four?  They both look like really kick-ass new rosters, just wondering if they're worth the cover price.


Fraction's Fantastic Four and FF is definitely worth the price, if the first TPB is any indication of where things are headed.

FF is sweet Mike Allred art, plus all your favorite spare fourth members as the new Fantastic Four.
 
2013-06-22 01:51:30 PM

mooseyfate: Has anyone read past the first issue of the new Thunderbolts?  What about the new Fantastic Four?  They both look like really kick-ass new rosters, just wondering if they're worth the cover price.


For Thunderbolts....almost. The roster is indeed pretty great, but Daniel Way totally sucks writing the team and coming up with decent threats for them (the climax of this last arc ended with Rulk taking out all the baddies solo). The good news is that Charles Soule takes over with issue #12 (out the 3rd). 12 and 13 will be standalone issues, with one focusing on Frank and the other on Mercy, and then his actual arc starts with #14 which is also the start of their tie-ins with the upcoming Infinity event.

I am personally a fan of Elektra so I've stayed with the book, but if Way had stayed on as the writer I don't know how much longer I could've taken it.
 
2013-06-22 02:40:20 PM
ecl:
i.imgur.com

How is this image not used more frequently? First time I have seen it, and its farking awesome.
 
2013-06-22 02:56:18 PM

SearchN: ecl:


How is this image not used more frequently? First time I have seen it, and its farking awesome.


Reminds me of "Zorro: The Gay Blade"
 
2013-06-22 03:04:55 PM
Didn't Superman kill more people than 9/11 did in Man of Steel?
 
2013-06-22 03:07:01 PM

Mugato: Didn't Superman kill more people than 9/11 did in Man of Steel?


And oh, how Lex Luthor cried. He cried 40 tears. Forty tears.

img.fark.net
/it was terrible.
 
2013-06-22 03:13:51 PM

Kome: SearchN: ecl:


How is this image not used more frequently? First time I have seen it, and its farking awesome.

Reminds me of "Zorro: The Gay Blade"


Fits for Batman and his boy wonder though. And its hysterical.
 
2013-06-22 03:18:41 PM

Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.


A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.
 
2013-06-22 03:32:02 PM

FirstNationalBastard: mooseyfate: Has anyone read past the first issue of the new Thunderbolts?  What about the new Fantastic Four?  They both look like really kick-ass new rosters, just wondering if they're worth the cover price.

Fraction's Fantastic Four and FF is definitely worth the price, if the first TPB is any indication of where things are headed.

FF is sweet Mike Allred art, plus all your favorite spare fourth members as the new Fantastic Four.


I'm a big Fraction fan right now, so I'll put that in my "buy" column, thanks!
 
2013-06-22 03:37:12 PM

Imperious Rex!: mooseyfate: Has anyone read past the first issue of the new Thunderbolts?  What about the new Fantastic Four?  They both look like really kick-ass new rosters, just wondering if they're worth the cover price.

For Thunderbolts....almost. The roster is indeed pretty great, but Daniel Way totally sucks writing the team and coming up with decent threats for them (the climax of this last arc ended with Rulk taking out all the baddies solo). The good news is that Charles Soule takes over with issue #12 (out the 3rd). 12 and 13 will be standalone issues, with one focusing on Frank and the other on Mercy, and then his actual arc starts with #14 which is also the start of their tie-ins with the upcoming Infinity event.

I am personally a fan of Elektra so I've stayed with the book, but if Way had stayed on as the writer I don't know how much longer I could've taken it.


Yeah, I've read Way's Ghost Rider run and didn't particularly care for it. I'll check it out, though. Looks like a fun line up.
 
2013-06-22 03:46:08 PM
Bullshiat.  The Reed Richards could have never gotten FAA approval to go into space, post-9/11.
 
2013-06-22 03:58:37 PM
Doom would condemn the attacks, express his outrage, react in disgust and remain in character. Shedding tears on 9/11 would make the guy one of Doctor Doom's cronies disguised as Doom. I was under the impression all such impostors were androids, in which case tears would make that much less sense.
 
2013-06-22 04:27:59 PM

Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.



Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.
 
2013-06-22 04:32:18 PM

BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 04:32:42 PM

BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.


I'm reading through the Future Foundation run right now and, as someone that has never read a FF comic before and therefor didn't read anything leading up to Johnny Storm's death; I have no farking clue what the fark is going on.
 
2013-06-22 04:36:35 PM

mooseyfate: BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.

I'm reading through the Future Foundation run right now and, as someone that has never read a FF comic before and therefor didn't read anything leading up to Johnny Storm's death; I have no farking clue what the fark is going on.


Oh, don't worry, even longtime fans often said "I don't know what the fark is going on here, but it seems cool so I'll stick with it!" in regards to Hickman's run.

/just finished reading it myself, and made it through Fraction's first TPB, which is why I could tell you how good it is.

//if you want to read some good non-WTF Fantastic Four, try the Mark Waid/Mike Weiringo run, or the Dwayne McDuffie run. Or, go back to the John Byrne run.
 
2013-06-22 04:37:52 PM

mooseyfate: BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.

I'm reading through the Future Foundation run right now and, as someone that has never read a FF comic before and therefor didn't read anything leading up to Johnny Storm's death; I have no farking clue what the fark is going on.



I started my nephew at around #544 of fantastic four.  Immediately after the events for the Civil War.  Pretty much starting there and moving forward is gold.

Also, if you're reading the FF with pink-hair-girl-thing, I can't help ya.  That one is off the rails for me.  But the previous FF that happens after Johnny dies, is great.  The current FF is just a bit off to me.  The current Fantastic Four is great.
 
2013-06-22 04:38:02 PM

Jame5G: Doom would condemn the attacks, express his outrage, react in disgust and remain in character. Shedding tears on 9/11 would make the guy one of Doctor Doom's cronies disguised as Doom. I was under the impression all such impostors were androids, in which case tears would make that much less sense.


It'd make no sense to us lesser intellects, but for Doom creating doombots with fully functional tear ducts in order to cry is just part of his master plan to conquer the world and/or universe. You just can't understand why he went through the time and labor to create functional tearducts for doombots because you aren't as smart as he is.

... even though the writer did it just because it was a highly emotional time of year and they were trying to cash in on 9/11 support the same as everyone else. Only instead of writing shiatty country songs they made a supervillain cry.

I doubt he'd even be outraged -- he'd probably offer political asylum to the families of the attackers and invent cybernetic kidneys to give Osama bin Laden due to his renal failure for doing such a good job at terrorizing America in a way that Doom couldn't.
 
2013-06-22 04:42:20 PM

BafflerMeal: mooseyfate: BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.

I'm reading through the Future Foundation run right now and, as someone that has never read a FF comic before and therefor didn't read anything leading up to Johnny Storm's death; I have no farking clue what the fark is going on.


I started my nephew at around #544 of fantastic four.  Immediately after the events for the Civil War.  Pretty much starting there and moving forward is gold.

Also, if you're reading the FF with pink-hair-girl-thing, I can't help ya.  That one is off the rails for me.  But the previous FF that happens after Johnny dies, is great.  The current FF is just a bit off to me.  The current Fantastic Four is great.


544 was the beginning of the McDuffie run.

However, in that stretch is also the Mark Millar run, which is godawful, and to be avoided.

And actually, I'd recommend going all the way back to F4 (v2) #55, because the stretch right before Waid took over had a couple good Karl Kesel stories (including the Thing is Jewish story) and a cool Adam Warren run before Waid took over with #60. Waid and Ringo's run, btw, is 60-70, and 500-524, with another couple Kesel issues in 525-526.

JMS took over with 527, but his run never went anywhere because of Civil War.
 
2013-06-22 04:46:08 PM

FirstNationalBastard: And oh, how Lex Luthor cried. He cried 40 tears. Forty tears.


That's as many as four tens!
 
2013-06-22 04:52:05 PM

semiotix: FirstNationalBastard: And oh, how Lex Luthor cried. He cried 40 tears. Forty tears.

That's as many as four tens!


And that's terrible.
 
2013-06-22 04:54:18 PM

FirstNationalBastard: BafflerMeal: mooseyfate: BafflerMeal: Rwa2play: Pocket Ninja: Wow. I don't read comics at all, but even I'm annoyed to learn that Dr. Doom cried at Ground Zero. Jesus, that's some pandering bullshiat.

A smarter way to handle that would've been what Doom did after it was announced that Tony Stark "died" in Iron Man (IIRC it was #290 or 291).  He ordered a day or mourning in Latveria.


Doom attended Johnny Storm's funeral as well.  Without incident.

I'm reading through the Future Foundation run right now and, as someone that has never read a FF comic before and therefor didn't read anything leading up to Johnny Storm's death; I have no farking clue what the fark is going on.


I started my nephew at around #544 of fantastic four.  Immediately after the events for the Civil War.  Pretty much starting there and moving forward is gold.

Also, if you're reading the FF with pink-hair-girl-thing, I can't help ya.  That one is off the rails for me.  But the previous FF that happens after Johnny dies, is great.  The current FF is just a bit off to me.  The current Fantastic Four is great.

544 was the beginning of the McDuffie run.

However, in that stretch is also the Mark Millar run, which is godawful, and to be avoided.

And actually, I'd recommend going all the way back to F4 (v2) #55, because the stretch right before Waid took over had a couple good Karl Kesel stories (including the Thing is Jewish story) and a cool Adam Warren run before Waid took over with #60. Waid and Ringo's run, btw, is 60-70, and 500-524, with another couple Kesel issues in 525-526.

JMS took over with 527, but his run never went anywhere because of Civil War.



Hrm.  I'm not generally down with Millar, but I was reading everything for the most part chronologically since Civil War, I'm ok with where the stories went.
 
2013-06-22 05:10:07 PM
DOOM weeps for no man!
 
2013-06-22 05:18:29 PM

moothemagiccow: DOOM weeps for no man!



Exactly.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 05:22:05 PM
Doom cares for Latverians. Latverians died in the WORLD Trade Center.
 
2013-06-22 05:35:06 PM

Richjohnston: Doom cares for Latverians. Latverians died in the WORLD Trade Center.


Having 9/11 in the comic book world makes no farking sense. It involves Bin Laden hiring a cadre of telepaths to block out the other telepaths or precogs who could conceivably predict the event, or at the very least stop the second plane... I mean, shiat, is Invisible Woman downtown or uptown? Bam, forcefield over the south tower. Couldn't Professor X control the mind of the pilot? No precogs in the Pentagon? Really? Is Destiny still dead? I mean shiat, Doom's hatched cosmic schemes to fark up the galaxy, this doesn't really compare to hijacking some jets that Magneto could probably redirect. I'm sure fanboys spent ages going over this lame cashgrab a decade ago. Is this what the article is about? I spent all my innernet efforts writing this godawful comment instead of rtfa.
 
2013-06-22 05:57:40 PM
They should make a new hero with at least a healing factor that was a 9/11 jumper.
 
2013-06-22 05:58:48 PM
Nah, the article is about the FF flight taking place twelve or less years ago....
 
2013-06-22 06:01:39 PM
I had no emotion to the 9/11 events.  I did cry in May of 2005.  That was when Enterprise aired it's final episode and when Star Wars Episode 3 came out.  I was afraid both franchises were dead.
 
2013-06-22 06:14:03 PM
moothemagiccow:
Richjohnston: Doom cares for Latverians. Latverians died in the WORLD Trade Center.

Having 9/11 in the comic book world makes no farking sense. It involves Bin Laden hiring a cadre of telepaths to block out the other telepaths or precogs who could conceivably predict the event, or at the very least stop the second plane... I mean, shiat, is Invisible Woman downtown or uptown? Bam, forcefield over the south tower. Couldn't Professor X control the mind of the pilot? No precogs in the Pentagon? Really? Is Destiny still dead? I mean shiat, Doom's hatched cosmic schemes to fark up the galaxy, this doesn't really compare to hijacking some jets that Magneto could probably redirect. I'm sure fanboys spent ages going over this lame cashgrab a decade ago. Is this what the article is about? I spent all my innernet efforts writing this godawful comment instead of rtfa.


Yeah pretty much.  Superman literally flew out of his clothes to stop a nuke hitting Nicaragua or whatever in TDKR, he would have stopped at least the second plane.  Half of the Marvel or DC heroes (and some villains) could do the same.  And 3000 dead is nothing when aliens are invading every damn week.
 
2013-06-22 06:15:17 PM

moothemagiccow: Having 9/11 in the comic book world makes no farking sense. It involves Bin Laden hiring a cadre of telepaths to block out the other telepaths or precogs who could conceivably predict the event, or at the very least stop the second plane... I mean, shiat, is Invisible Woman downtown or uptown? Bam, forcefield over the south tower. Couldn't Professor X control the mind of the pilot? No precogs in the Pentagon? Really? Is Destiny still dead? I mean shiat, Doom's hatched cosmic schemes to fark up the galaxy, this doesn't really compare to hijacking some jets that Magneto could probably redirect. I'm sure fanboys spent ages going over this lame cashgrab a decade ago. Is this what the article is about? I spent all my internet efforts writing this godawful comment instead of rtfa.


Actually, it does make sense. Would you want a comic book universe where 9/11 didn't happen? How do you think that would make the survivors of the event feel? Same reason they don't just cure cancer or AIDS in the comics.
 
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