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(KATU)   "Concerned Citizen" arrested after making traffic stop. Evidently you need to be a cop of something...who knew?   (katu.com) divider line 26
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5239 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Jun 2013 at 1:49 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-06-22 01:54:03 PM  
6 votes:
"He said his emergency lights are for his job as a mechanic and he's never pulled anyone over before.  "

Ok, does anyone want to take a guess at a legitimate reason that he would need a light bar as a mechanic? I've been scratching my head for a few minutes & can't come up with one.

The police ought to look into unsolved rapes or even murders in the area & see if he fits in there somewhere.  I sincerely doubt that this was the first time that he's pulled anyone over.
2013-06-22 02:13:52 PM  
4 votes:

AndreMA: This cries out for standardization. Given that just about every police agency receives Federal funds to some degree, it would seem simple to condition some of those funds such that all new light-bars comply with some standard and that all old ones be replaced within 7 years.


IIRC, the Feds have tried this under the DOT every few years, and the states have shot it down because they want the control over their own things.

There's a bill on capital hill right now, HR 809, which aims to give the federal government the power to standardize emergency medical and rescue licensure and regulations across the United States in addition to addressing pay-for-performance billing under insurance and medicare rather than pay for transport, but I doubt it'll pass. They could do that for the Fire and EMS guys with that bill, but the Law Enforcement is a different story.

/still think LEOs should be state licensed like plumbers or Paramedics, and that an independent oversight board should be able to yank their license and make them unable to work even if their departments ignore problems.
2013-06-22 02:10:27 PM  
3 votes:

hardinparamedic: Police, Emergency Responders, and people who have business requesting the right of way in an emergency, or pulling you over do not run amber lights. They either run Red, Blue, Red/Clear, Blue/Clear, Red/Blue, or a mixture of Red and Blue with another color.


This cries out for standardization. Given that just about every police agency receives Federal funds to some degree, it would seem simple to condition some of those funds such that all new light-bars comply with some standard and that all old ones be replaced within 7 years.
2013-06-22 02:49:54 PM  
2 votes:
The greater tragedy is this. I read that upon seeing this article, someone's 3 year old daughter said "Daddy, I can't be a cop, because I'm a citizen". We try and try to spare children the negativity of citizen stereotypes, but situations like this only reinforce that stereotype. They should not be exposed to citizens treated like they are not cops. What does this say about our nation? Have we evolved so little since cops earned the right to police? Perhaps until a citizen becomes a cop, only then will our children believe they also can be cops.

That poor girl now wants to be a nurse. *sigh* what a world.
2013-06-22 02:06:54 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah. The arrested seems to have a strong dose of that rapey-murdery vibe. Good thing the woman he stopped had the presence of mind to call 911. And I agree with a few other comments: really unlikely this is the first time he's done this.
2013-06-22 02:04:51 PM  
2 votes:

YoOjo: Another foiled Rapey McRapekins.
He'll try it again, guarantee it. Maybe differently now he's in the news for this method but he'll continue harassing women.


Can I just state for all the Farkers and Farkettes out there - DO NOT PULL OVER FOR SOMEONE WITH A GREEN, AMBER, OR CLEAR LIGHT in their dashboard, even if they have a siren, in the United States. The only exception is if you are in a state or federal park, game wardens and rangers use green lightbars.

Police, Emergency Responders, and people who have business requesting the right of way in an emergency, or pulling you over do not run amber lights. They either run Red, Blue, Red/Clear, Blue/Clear, Red/Blue, or a mixture of Red and Blue with another color.
2013-06-22 02:02:34 PM  
2 votes:
Another foiled Rapey McRapekins.
He'll try it again, guarantee it. Maybe differently now he's in the news for this method but he'll continue harassing women.
2013-06-22 01:59:05 PM  
2 votes:
www.therightplanet.com
"Chill out, you guys.  He's just part of the neighborhood watch."
2013-06-22 01:55:35 PM  
2 votes:

Recoil Therapy: "He said his emergency lights are for his job as a mechanic and he's never pulled anyone over before.  "

Ok, does anyone want to take a guess at a legitimate reason that he would need a light bar as a mechanic? I've been scratching my head for a few minutes & can't come up with one.

The police ought to look into unsolved rapes or even murders in the area & see if he fits in there somewhere.  I sincerely doubt that this was the first time that he's pulled anyone over.



My thoughts exactly.
2013-06-22 01:52:52 PM  
2 votes:
That motherfu(ker was up to no good.

Bet she was attractive.
2013-06-22 01:51:02 PM  
2 votes:
I think its pretty common knowledge that you're not allowed to have red and/or blue flashing lights.  Yellow is for non-cop/fireman/ambulance trucks.  Yellow lights anyone can have.
2013-06-22 08:18:33 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Pulling someone over on the side of the road for reasonable cause of drunk driving based on observed behavior is not the same, legally, as someone witnessing an actual crime in the act and intervening to perform a citizens arrest, especially if that happens on private property and is done by a security guard legally employed and on duty with that business.


IF you actually read the other article, the guy was not caught shoplifting. He supposedly was seen shoplifting the previous day:

"Hey, hey, papito, how are you doing? Come here, come with me -- this is the guy that stole the other day -- no, no, you're going on the floor! You're going on the floor, you're going on the floor. Tell my brother to call to police!" Ubiera-Cruz said as he took the man down.


So, there was no "witnessing an actual crime in the act and intervening to perform a citizens arrest".
2013-06-22 07:24:48 PM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Maul555: Why didn't they charge him with brandishing a gun too?

Because lifting your shirt isn't brandishing.


So if she panicked and tried to overpower the stranger with the gun who just chased her down, he'd have been justified in shooting her. Or so I hear.
2013-06-22 04:22:57 PM  
1 votes:
He should have shot her.
Standing his ground.
2013-06-22 02:57:30 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: fredklein: So, it's illegal to stop a suspected drunk driver (thereby possibly saving lives), but it's perfectly okay for a store to tackle and handcuff a suspected shoplifter (thereby saving a dozen eggs)(Fark main page, 6 stories down).

Pulling someone over on the side of the road for reasonable cause of drunk driving based on observed behavior is not the same, legally, as someone witnessing an actual crime in the act and intervening to perform a citizens arrest, especially if that happens on private property and is done by a security guard legally employed and on duty with that business.


You may want to read the actual story referenced.

IMO, the guy is a danger to society.

Although, in principle he does have a point.

A drunk driver is an immediate danger.  Call 911 and let that guy head to head a family of 5 in the meantime?

Can't fault someone for trying to intervene in a potentially dangerous situation, there is a logic at work there.

No different than some lunatic in public waving a gun around and screaming a normal citizen stopping him from hurting anyone.(be it a tackle or what have you).  9 times out of 10 that citizen is a hero.

Now, back to this guy.  Just happens to have lights and a gun.  That's a no-no, especially flaunting the gun to get cooperation.

Concerned (and brave)citizen =\= overzealous vigilante

We should not necessarily bar ordinary citizens from helping regulate crime where they can. A lot of ordinary people can do heroic things, it's good for the community, and it sends a message of solidarity to those that would do us harm.

But we also shouldn't encourage psycho's for whom it's an actively sought thing, a common daydream that they've obviously prepared for.

It's a tough line to walk.
2013-06-22 02:45:49 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, and another thing, you know the electronic air horn that you hear cop cars use? That "whoop! whoop!" noise? In NY that's not considered a siren -- so a lot of the younger vollie guys used to install a Whalen siren in their car and not use the siren part of it, just the air horn. The only problem is, almost ALL cops use that feature when pulling someone over rather than running the siren. So people are programmed to move aside when they hear that noise.

The whole courtesy light thing is just a potential shiatstorm. Find a mixed (career + volunteer) department were vollie members respond from home to the alarms in a POV and bring up blue lights. Then pop some popcorn and sit back. HOURS of entertainment that will usually escalate into a gigantic argument.
2013-06-22 02:41:27 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Red lights are law enforcement, and blue lights are volunteers there.


Regarding NY:

Red can also be fire, for chief officers. However, if you have a red light card you MUST also use a siren when responding with a red light flashing.

Green is also used in NY for EMTs and medics that are members of VACs. FD EMTs can use green if they wish instead of blue. You are forbidden by state law to use a siren with blue or green lights.

Aaaaand just to make it really messed up, in NY funeral processions can use purple lights.

Everything but red/siren is considered a "courtesy" light, and no one has to pull over, the driver can't speed or ignore other traffic laws (run red lights, blow stop signs, etc.)

For all courtesy lights, you are allowed by law to have "a single light." This used to mean the teardrop shaped "Kojack" light but I knew a ton of vollies when I was a firefighter who would rig multiple grill lights as well as LED light bars on their cars and use timers/switchers so that only one lamp was lit at a time. But when it was running, if they came up behind you, you'd swear it was a cop. Another good trick was using blue/yellow LED light bars on the car, but getting the most orange-y yellow lens you could find. At night, it appeared close enough to red to make people move over.
2013-06-22 02:35:34 PM  
1 votes:

fredklein: So, it's illegal to stop a suspected drunk driver (thereby possibly saving lives), but it's perfectly okay for a store to tackle and handcuff a suspected shoplifter (thereby saving a dozen eggs)(Fark main page, 6 stories down).


Pulling someone over on the side of the road for reasonable cause of drunk driving based on observed behavior is not the same, legally, as someone witnessing an actual crime in the act and intervening to perform a citizens arrest, especially if that happens on private property and is done by a security guard legally employed and on duty with that business.

In addition, some states have laws on the books, due to the rash of 70s and 80s era blue light rapists which prayed on women on the highways, which state the only person who can legally execute a stop on the road is a law enforcement officer. One or two actually state that it has to be a marked vehicle, or the person has the right to put on their hazard flashers and drive to a populated area or police station before pulling over (Mississippi passed just such a law two years ago after a blue-light murderer in Tunica.)
2013-06-22 02:32:41 PM  
1 votes:
basemetal:Oh yeah, no way that will have any adverse repercussions.

I'll put it this way.

Shelby County, the unincorporated areas around Memphis? I'd put my life in the hands of those guys. They're all top notch, and all accredited departments that rarely, if ever, have any problems with the public and are incredibly professional. They make me proud to work with them.

City of Memphis? I'd rather crawl to the county line than have to depend on them. The only ones of them I have respect for are the ones I know personally. In the last year, we've had two people arrested on serial rape charges, one person arrested for putting a gun to the head of someone who cut them off and tracking them to their home after that person called 911 for help, multiple people arrested for bribery and theft, one idiot who murdered a family of three by going 90 miles an hour and blowing through red lights on a non-emergency call (who's being charged with three counts of vehicular homicide), and other incidents.
2013-06-22 02:29:42 PM  
1 votes:
So, it's illegal to stop a suspected drunk driver (thereby possibly saving lives), but it's perfectly okay for a store to tackle and handcuff a suspected shoplifter (thereby saving a dozen eggs)(Fark main page, 6 stories down).
2013-06-22 02:26:43 PM  
1 votes:
If any of you  people think this had anything to do with him being a wannabe cop, or trying to enforce traffic laws, you are prey.
2013-06-22 02:26:08 PM  
1 votes:
Give this man a badge and a taser.

/He might actually want to help, just make sure he has a term limitation so it doesn't go to his head.
2013-06-22 01:56:56 PM  
1 votes:
DON'T PRETEND TO BE THE POLICE.

DON'T PRETEND TO BE THE POLICE.

DON'T PRETEND TO BE THE POLICE.


How many times does this need to be repeated. Along with:

A HANDGUN CARRY PERMIT DOES NOT MAKE YOU THE POLICE.

/if George Zimmerman had listened to these, we wouldn't have this fiasco now.
2013-06-22 01:56:55 PM  
1 votes:

downstairs: I think its pretty common knowledge that you're not allowed to have red and/or blue flashing lights.  Yellow is for non-cop/fireman/ambulance trucks.  Yellow lights anyone can have.


You're a dipshiat if you have any kind of lights on your car that aren't factory.
2013-06-22 01:55:47 PM  
1 votes:
I hope they make an example of this dipshiat.
2013-06-22 01:55:17 PM  
1 votes:
I wanna be a cop of feel.
 
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