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2013-06-22 03:47:42 AM
Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.
 
2013-06-22 03:56:16 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


THIS.

But..on the flip side, all of California's cheeto reserves will be under siege by January 2014.
 
2013-06-22 04:04:27 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.

 
2013-06-22 05:51:55 AM
Just as long as they dont release any more Phillip Garrido's I really dont care about who they release.
 
2013-06-22 08:54:56 AM
Time to build a new prison in the middle of the desert. Let mother nature do most of the work for you.
 
2013-06-22 09:02:35 AM
OgreMagi * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-22 03:47:42 AM Release all non-violent drug offenders. There. You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.
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Other than offending English teachers with this statement... THIS

This.

/This.
 
2013-06-22 09:16:02 AM
I'm sure the "fark 'em, criminals should be burned alive on TV, keep me safe" crowd will be along.
 
2013-06-22 09:23:48 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


...but that means more Blah people walking the streets! One of them might even become president!
 
2013-06-22 09:30:14 AM
Did not read; font too small.
 
2013-06-22 09:30:59 AM
build more prisons? California is a big state, i'm sure they have room for 5 or 10 more and think of the job creation opportunities!
 
2013-06-22 09:31:39 AM

Muta: Did not read; font too small.


Ctrl+mouse wheel forward works well
 
2013-06-22 09:34:51 AM
Justice Samuel Alito wrote that "the Constitution does not give federal judges the authority to run state penal systems."

Sure it does you ignorant twit: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
 
2013-06-22 09:36:49 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.

 
2013-06-22 09:43:13 AM

Twist-42: build more prisons? California is a big state, i'm sure they have room for 5 or 10 more and think of the job creation opportunities!


Surely what progressives like to tout as one of the largest economies in the world can afford this.
 
2013-06-22 09:50:13 AM

that bosnian sniper: OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.

...but that means more Blah people walking the streets! One of them might even become president!


I want to see the long form parole certificate
 
2013-06-22 09:50:24 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.


Violent criminals should be locked up. Non violent criminals of all types should be put on house arrest or probation.
 
2013-06-22 09:50:50 AM
I like how people proclaim "Felon!" as something which means serious crime but it doesn't anymore.  Now, a felon is someone who can be sentenced to prison for more than a year.  That's it, if you get more than a year it's a felony and you're a felon.  If you can only be in prison less than a year it's misdemeanor.  So release all the people locked up for simple drug possession who were sentenced for more than 10 days, these people account for more than half the prison population.
 
2013-06-22 09:59:20 AM

Twist-42: build more prisons? California is a big state, i'm sure they have room for 5 or 10 more and think of the job creation opportunities Modify or eliminate some of the mandatory sentencing & three-strikes-you're-out provisions? That shiat was stupid and costly and didn't solve crime problems so much as allow authoritarian jerkasses pretend they did something useful!



Fixed that for you
 
2013-06-22 09:59:28 AM
Nice font, assholes.
 
2013-06-22 10:01:53 AM

kalor: I like how people proclaim "Felon!" as something which means serious crime but it doesn't anymore.  Now, a felon is someone who can be sentenced to prison for more than a year.  That's it, if you get more than a year it's a felony and you're a felon.  If you can only be in prison less than a year it's misdemeanor.  So release all the people locked up for simple drug possession who were sentenced for more than 10 days, these people account for more than half the prison population.


What?

The difference between felonies and misdemeanors is the length of sentence?

How do they know what to charge them with in the indictment?
 
2013-06-22 10:06:50 AM

Giltric: kalor: I like how people proclaim "Felon!" as something which means serious crime but it doesn't anymore.  Now, a felon is someone who can be sentenced to prison for more than a year.  That's it, if you get more than a year it's a felony and you're a felon.  If you can only be in prison less than a year it's misdemeanor.  So release all the people locked up for simple drug possession who were sentenced for more than 10 days, these people account for more than half the prison population.

What?

The difference between felonies and misdemeanors is the length of sentence?

How do they know what to charge them with in the indictment?


The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor is the maximum length of sentence. If it can result in a sentence of 366 days or more, it's a felony, even if you end up only serving six months or probation.
 
2013-06-22 10:07:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: Time to build a new prison in the middle of the desert. Let mother nature do most of the work for you.


No, build it in Alaska. Creates a new source of employment for the locals and lets Cali ship it's convicts up into Nome.
 
2013-06-22 10:13:25 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


Too sensible. Needs more profiteering. Let the first Hunger Games- Felon Edition begin!
 
2013-06-22 10:23:22 AM
stop calling them non-violent.  everyone is VIOLENT at some time in their lives.  especially under the influence of drugs.
 
2013-06-22 10:28:03 AM
In the year 2000, every American will be born with a felony. It will take 20 years, or $250,000 to pay it off.
 
2013-06-22 10:31:54 AM
The incarceration rate in this nation is too goddam high anyway and needs to be greatly reduced.

I'm sure that the increading privatization of the prison system has absolutely nothing to do with that.
 
2013-06-22 10:33:29 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders into Humboldt County.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.

FTFY
 
2013-06-22 10:33:56 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


You are wise, Magi.
 
2013-06-22 10:38:03 AM

Lost Thought 00: Time to build a new prison in the middle of the desert. Let mother nature do most of the work for you.


Please see "Punishment Park"

70's film that had a similar theme.

War protesters that are sentenced to try and cross a desert for their freedom.

Put it on pay per view and you solve the budget crisis for the state too
 
2013-06-22 10:42:25 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


Yep.

Or, you know ... they could levy a special 'prisons' property tax. 1% of home values for all properties. 2% if you don't want the new prison built in your town. 4% if you don't want it built in your county.

/also : Assess all residential properties
 
2013-06-22 10:43:12 AM

IamTomJoad: Lost Thought 00: Time to build a new prison in the middle of the desert. Let mother nature do most of the work for you.

Please see "Punishment Park"

70's film that had a similar theme.

War protesters that are sentenced to try and cross a desert for their freedom.

Put it on pay per view and you solve the budget crisis for the state too


To clarify: show the attempt at prisoners crossing the desert on pay per view, not the movie

The movie isn't THAT good. It's a bit heavy handed and drags in places
 
2013-06-22 10:43:57 AM
Full employment in the private prison business!
 
2013-06-22 10:49:28 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


Came in here to say this. Glad it was covered quickly.
 
2013-06-22 10:49:41 AM
Thank you 3 strikes legislation.
 
2013-06-22 10:50:42 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: stop calling them non-violent.  everyone is VIOLENT at some time in their lives.  especially under the influence of drugs.


Which is why we need to lock everyone up.
 
2013-06-22 10:52:31 AM
Fark California.  They''ve redefine many of their laws to make it easier to get labeled a felon, lose your rights and face genuine prison time and eventually become 3 strikes eligible.  Case in point, California defines burglary as going into a place with the intent to steal (i.e. shoplifting).  Not breaking into a place and stealing.  That causes people to go from misdemeanor (shoplifting) to felon (burglar).  Do that 3 times and your 3 misdemeanors become 3 felonies and you're in jail for life.

But people now are like "Oh California changed their 3 strikes law so that the felonies have to be violent.  Yay for us!"  No, you still have the problem of the trumped up charges like the BS burglary charges that turns a misdemeanor into a felony.
 
2013-06-22 10:52:41 AM
It's nice of y'all to applaud and hoot, etc... But I'm curious how many of these felons who have been locked up for years are going to be employable, especially at the firms you all work at. How many of you will be comfortable working alongside them? Willing to give them references when they get out? A chance to start fresh when they apply? Anyone gonna talk to HR on their behalf? Start a program to hire felons at your workplace? I'm pleased at the attitude toward mandatory sentencing & 3-strikes, but it's the stigma of a felony you should be worrying about now that the Court has taken care of the release. That stigma prevents hiring, and contributes to recidivism more than the laws.

So what are you gonna do?
 
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2013-06-22 10:54:21 AM
Why don't we bring back public flogging.  That doesn't cost much and you don't have to keep them locked up.  We could have the stocks for minor crimes.  We could fund it by having gladiatorial battles with the violent offenders and charging admission.
 
2013-06-22 10:54:26 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


Is a dui violent? Quite a few stories of people on bail killing another in a dui.
 
2013-06-22 10:55:15 AM

Corvus: Thank you 3 strikes legislation.


It's not just 3 strikes, it's the laws that allow prosecutors to charge people with felonies instead of misdemeanors.
 
2013-06-22 11:08:58 AM
Stop calling everything a felony.

Felony used to mean a serious farkup, now it just means being 'tough on crime' to people that can't afford a good lawyer to fight back.

/And stop abusing the sex offender registry too.
 
2013-06-22 11:27:52 AM

ramblinwreck: Muta: Did not read; font too small.

Ctrl+mouse wheel forward works well


Ctrl and + embiggens just the window you're in
 
2013-06-22 11:28:07 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


Rinse and repeat.
 
2013-06-22 11:32:15 AM
Thank Wal-Mart for leading the way to make it typical to now favoring felony charges over misdemeanors. They've led the way in increasing the burden on local law enforcement by charging everyone with everything because they're too cheap to do proper loss prevention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/21/1188817/-Walmart-pressing-f el ony-theft-charges-against-worker-for-eating-Oreos#
 
2013-06-22 11:36:17 AM
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2013-06-22 11:42:38 AM

OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.  There.  You're farking problem is solved and without endangering the public.


They only comprise, at most, 20% of the jail population.  That number includes traffickers in prison as well as people serving short sentences in local jails on mere possession charges.  You'll have to decide whether or not the more serious drug dealers are endangering the public.

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4559

It's on page 28 of the PDF linked here if you are curious.
 
2013-06-22 11:43:21 AM

Kuta: Thank Wal-Mart for leading the way to make it typical to now favoring felony charges over misdemeanors. They've led the way in increasing the burden on local law enforcement by charging everyone with everything because they're too cheap to do proper loss prevention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/21/1188817/-Walmart-pressing-f el ony-theft-charges-against-worker-for-eating-Oreos#


Did you miss it? I almost did.  She ate the Oreos and then "disposed of the rappers"...  There's the felony.
 
2013-06-22 11:46:38 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Fark California.  They''ve redefine many of their laws to make it easier to get labeled a felon, lose your rights and face genuine prison time and eventually become 3 strikes eligible.  Case in point, California defines burglary as going into a place with the intent to steal (i.e. shoplifting).  Not breaking into a place and stealing.  That causes people to go from misdemeanor (shoplifting) to felon (burglar).  Do that 3 times and your 3 misdemeanors become 3 felonies and you're in jail for life.

But people now are like "Oh California changed their 3 strikes law so that the felonies have to be violent.  Yay for us!"  No, you still have the problem of the trumped up charges like the BS burglary charges that turns a misdemeanor into a felony.


Um, both Washington and Ohio define burglary in the manner you've described (at least, that was how it worked in Ohio when I was in law school there). I was pretty sure that was straight out of the Model Penal Code.
 
2013-06-22 11:47:18 AM

Kuta: Thank Wal-Mart for leading the way to make it typical to now favoring felony charges over misdemeanors. They've led the way in increasing the burden on local law enforcement by charging everyone with everything because they're too cheap to do proper loss prevention.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/21/1188817/-Walmart-pressing-f el ony-theft-charges-against-worker-for-eating-Oreos#


Found this in a story linked by that story:
Low-paid workers only steal about 39 percent of what paying them more would cost,

So the problem here is that wal-mart employees aren't stealing  enough.
 
2013-06-22 11:48:32 AM

vernonFL: OgreMagi: Release all non-violent drug offenders.

Violent criminals should be locked up. Non violent criminals of all types should be put on house arrest or probation.


You might feel different about the person who burned down your house, stole from your business, or committed a ponzi scheme that bankrupt millions, wiped our your life savings while making billions for himself.
 
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