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(LA Times)   Journalist Michael Hastings wrote that he was working on a "big story" and was going "off the radar for a bit" hours before he totally accidentally crashed his car into a tree at 100 miles an hour   (latimes.com) divider line 40
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2013-06-22 03:46:30 AM
5 votes:
GeneralJim:

The Daily Show has only gone further into the tin foil from there:
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But really, what sort of investigation do you want? Since when can the LAPD investigate the intelligence community? Can the PhDs at NSA/CIA/whatever hack the telemetrics of a brand new Mercedes? Without a doubt. Can anybody ever prove it was done? Good luck.
The toxicology's not back. There's barely been enough time to give the car a good going over. There's definitely not been enough time to research what this guy was investigating, but the LAPD was out on Thursday yelling "no foul play." I don't blame them at all, because it's pretty obvious from the situation that if it was a case of foul play, you're probably talking about people with access to real-time satellite data and no cop wants to be the guy to step forward and claim the world ever works that way.
2013-06-22 05:24:51 AM
4 votes:
I can more easily believe he could have been killed for something he was GOING TO REPORT ON than he was killed for something he ALREADY REPORTED ABOUT. Nobody gets stealth murdered by covert government operatives for something they let out of the bag five years ago, no matter how embarrassing it might have been to anyone at the time.

That said, even the FBI doesn't stealth murder an obnoxious reporter by burning his car to the ground in a huge fire in the middle of Beverly Hills. That's more of a gang or drug killing, assuming it wasn't just a regular horrifying high-speed car crash.
2013-06-22 05:33:48 AM
3 votes:

cman: It took you assholes long enough to insert partisan politics in this thread.

Six replies before political bashing. SIX REPLIES.

You guys are slippin.


Five.  It was post five.  You are a liar, and an admitted drug abuser who should off himself in shame.
2013-06-22 05:27:13 AM
3 votes:
And people wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the country and fight the power.
2013-06-22 05:11:02 AM
3 votes:
I dunno, how do we know he wasn't just nuts?

I have a side that really wants to play along with conspiracy theories, but sometimes coincidence is just that. And sometimes people can become so paranoid their irrational fears become their own undoing.

For all we know, he worked himself up and wrecked trying to lose a car that wasn't' even tailing him. Only people that knew him intimately would be able to even guess at what might have happened.

Have any of his colleagues or family/friends verified they were being questioned by suits?

MmmmBacon: The GOP will seize onto this death and turn it into Obama's "Vince Foster" moment. Whether it is true or not.


I don't know about all that. The GOP wasn't a big fan of this guy to begin with.

I'm real hesitant when people start accusing the FBI. Sure, I'm sure they have their clutter and rot. But 99% of that organization is our best last defense against illegal government actions and for good reason.

Think of it this way: If there were even a whiff of a rogue element in the FBI, they'd be devoured from within. Agents and ladder climbing bureaucrats would be itching to make their careers nailing them to the wall.
They may be a part of the intelligence community, but they are a far far cry from the CIA or NSA.

/he was pissing off all the right people to get himself "suicided"
//I'll entertain a lot of bs, but you'd have to show me some significant evidence before I consider believing the FBI is offing people
2013-06-22 04:34:59 AM
3 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Oh come on..... if the FBI wanted this reporter dead they wouldn't sabotage his car


It's definitely not how the FBI would do it. And I think the CIA would only do it that way, if it was trying to pin it on the NSA. Some people think those two are in a spat right now.
2013-06-22 03:42:27 AM
3 votes:

GeneralJim: At some point, a threshold is passed, and, as Jon Stewart put it, the burden of proof shifts.  No matter what batshiat conspiracy theory anyone comes up with, now the government has to treat it as a serious claim.  So, a death that appears to be a strange coincidence needs to be investigated thoroughly.
Jon Stewart's rant.


But who would trust the Government to investigate this death? Even if they find iron-clad evidence that it was just an accident (the reporter was drunk, there was a mechanical failure, etc), those who already think it was an assassination will only scream "COVER-UP!". And should there be proof found that the Government was involved, would it ever be exposed?

The GOP will seize onto this death and turn it into Obama's "Vince Foster" moment. Whether it is true or not.
2013-06-22 07:02:16 AM
2 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Good old Obama. This shouldn't be a surprise. Obama had already declared the power to kill US citizens without a warrant.


Then maybe you should act accordingly.
2013-06-22 04:40:37 AM
2 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Oh come on..... if the FBI wanted this reporter dead they wouldn't sabotage his car.... they'd simply meet him at his apartment late at night for questioning and then shoot him in the head while he was unarmed.


yeah! you can't trust those cops or FBI at all!

"a law enforcement official told the Post that...."

Oh....So I guess you don't trust the cops UNLESS anunnamed one says something bad about the FBI. then, logically, you don't trust the FBI unless an unnamed FBI agent says something bad about the NSA. So basically, don't trust anyofficial government types ever...Unless they say something to want to hear.
2013-06-22 04:11:50 AM
2 votes:

GeneralJim: MmmmBacon: The GOP will seize onto this death and turn it into Obama's "Vince Foster" moment. Whether it is true or not.
Just for my own curiosity about how to interpret your post, how do you see Vince Foster's death?


He killed himself, if memory serves, but that's not the point, is it? The GOP will use the death of this reporter to try to smear Obama, and Democrats in general, in 2014, 2016 and beyond. Why? Because it worked against the Clinton's to some degree years ago. The GOP is good at getting their base riled up with conspiracy tales, and this will be one they use, you can count on that.
2013-06-22 04:07:09 AM
2 votes:
It took you assholes long enough to insert partisan politics in this thread.

Six replies before political bashing. SIX REPLIES.

You guys are slippin.
2013-06-22 02:05:28 AM
2 votes:
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2013-06-22 02:32:58 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: The bottom line is, there are a lot safer and more logical ways to bump some body off than to try to orchestrate a car crash on a heavily populated street in Los Angeles.


Since when are corrupt government agencies safe & logic? There were a lot safer and more logical ways to handle Chris Dorner, too.
2013-06-22 12:46:30 PM
1 votes:
The usual masses of uninformed conspiracy nuts have come out of the woodwork again. I've seen idiots who can't understand how a car could catch on fire in an accident, or how the bolts of an engine could break free, even though car experts have pointed out that both happen pretty often. Just because the guy was working on a big story, and claimed there was an FBI investigation, does not mean that he didn't get drunk and plow into a tree, or get distracted for a moment, or have a mental breakdown while driving, or THOUGHT someone was tailing him and tried to get away, or got run off the road by one of LA's many crazy drivers with no connections to any "hit squad," or was just the victim of one of the many fatal single car accidents that happen in the US all the time.

The bottom line is, there are a lot safer and more logical ways to bump some body off than to try to orchestrate a car crash on a heavily populated street in Los Angeles. Those homes on Highland are pricey places - I wouldn't be surprised if the police find home security footage that shows Hastings' wreck, or what he was doing moments before the wreck.  Have his family and friends said what he was doing out at 4am?
2013-06-22 11:52:27 AM
1 votes:
According to conspiracy theorists, Bill Clinton was responsible for the murder of a guy named Gandy Baugh (google "The Clinton Death List").  According to conspiracy theorists, Obama somehow resurrected Mr. Baugh a few years later just so he could murder him a second time (google "The Obama Death List").

Since Obama has some kind of supernatural abilities that we can't understand, it's best to assume that any death can be reasonably attributed to his dark, magical power, even those that occurred before Obama was born.

Trust me, I've studied it out.  Hell, with all the research I've been doing on my computer, I'm surprised the NSA hasn't+++++++++++++++++++++++CARRIER LOST+++++++++++++++++++++++
2013-06-22 11:09:41 AM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: And people wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the country and fight the power.


Snowden knows the 'New and Improved America'(tm)
2013-06-22 10:55:19 AM
1 votes:
All of this just reminds me of Breitbart's death. He was about to expose Obama and tell the truth!!!!!! Except he had a heart attack and the "truth" he was about to tell turned out to be a non-story. Same thing here. Maybe someone who has followed this more can give me an answer but what was he doing speeding in Beverly Hills at 4am? My bet is drugs or alcohol are involved. If the FBI really wanted to off the guy, they would've been much more subtle about it.
2013-06-22 08:03:09 AM
1 votes:
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2013-06-22 07:53:47 AM
1 votes:

heinrich66: Now that people today seem actually willing to entertain that the Gov't has bad people in it who might kill people if the stakes are high enough (or if they can simply get away with it), I wonder what the public reaction is going to be in November on the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy killing.


Mind-blowing?
2013-06-22 07:42:31 AM
1 votes:
Anyone who thinks the Clintons killed Vince Foster is an idiot. It was Obama.
2013-06-22 07:23:39 AM
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Good old Obama. This shouldn't be a surprise. Obama had already declared the power to kill US citizens without a warrant.


I went to make a sandwich, but my cheese had expired. DAMN YOU OBAMA!
2013-06-22 06:57:01 AM
1 votes:
Good old Obama. This shouldn't be a surprise. Obama had already declared the power to kill US citizens without a warrant.
2013-06-22 06:47:05 AM
1 votes:

Without Fail: TV's Vinnie: And people wonder why Snowden didn't stay in the country and fight the power.

I didn't wonder. Snowden is a coward with delusions of grandeur.


A coward? Please explain how committing yourself to prosecution, and an inevitable lengthy prison time is cowardly. Not to mention throwing away a $200k job and a hot ballerina.

Delusions of grandeur? I'm sure he'll be worshipped by the masses while he rots in jail.

Your judgemental skills suck.
2013-06-22 06:11:42 AM
1 votes:

Hastor: cman: It took you assholes long enough to insert partisan politics in this thread.

Six replies before political bashing. SIX REPLIES.

You guys are slippin.

Oh noes!  Partisan politics in a politics thread!  To the fainting couches!


Excusing partisan politics in a politics thread is like excusing shiatting your pants because you ate mexican food.  you know there's always that chance but there are always more preferable options.
2013-06-22 05:35:20 AM
1 votes:
Was his bi story about how unsafe his car was when it was around trees while going 100mph?   Because if it was, he nailed it.  "The airbags.  They do nothing."

/He probably was thinking the cops onlyhad 2 digit radars and if he went to 100, he'd go off it.  .  Maybe he was just speeding, saw a cop and thought the tree would slow him down a bit.

//More likely he was a epressed liberal worried about social injustice he couldn't fix and how his liberal g/f got blowed up bringing social justice to Iraq and became a depressed, liberal alcoholic.  Like Ted Kennedy but without the women.
2013-06-22 05:13:41 AM
1 votes:

MurphyMurphy: I don't know about all that. The GOP wasn't a big fan of this guy to begin with.


They don't need to be fans of the guy. all they need to do is "I'm just asking questions"
2013-06-22 05:03:38 AM
1 votes:

GeneralJim: At some point, a threshold is passed, and, as Jon Stewart put it, the burden of proof shifts.  No matter what batshiat conspiracy theory anyone comes up with, now the government has to treat it as a serious claim.  So, a death that appears to be a strange coincidence needs to be investigated thoroughly.
Jon Stewart's rant.


But remember, kids. Jon Stewart is a partisan hack who never, ever, EVER criticizes the Obama administration and only makes fun of Conservatives.

Not making an accusation at you here, Jim, just using the deserved criticism in a point, debunking an oft-repeated tidbit of ultra-idiocy parroted by certain "Libertarians."
2013-06-22 05:03:29 AM
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: GeneralJim: MmmmBacon: The GOP will seize onto this death and turn it into Obama's "Vince Foster" moment. Whether it is true or not.
Just for my own curiosity about how to interpret your post, how do you see Vince Foster's death?

He killed himself, if memory serves, but that's not the point, is it? The GOP will use the death of this reporter to try to smear Obama, and Democrats in general, in 2014, 2016 and beyond. Why? Because it worked against the Clinton's to some degree years ago. The GOP is good at getting their base riled up with conspiracy tales, and this will be one they use, you can count on that.


In fact, it worked so well last time that one could almost think the GOP arranged.... ohmigawd.
2013-06-22 04:55:25 AM
1 votes:
Hmmm...I suspect that Staff Sgt Biggs might accidentally, brutally, stab himself in the stomach whilst shaving.
2013-06-22 04:32:39 AM
1 votes:

GeneralJim: No matter what batshiat conspiracy theory anyone comes up with, now the government has to treat it as a serious claim.


no they don't.
2013-06-22 04:23:10 AM
1 votes:
Hmm. These politics posts are all partisan. Don't you have any neutral ones? "May the better man win?" "Let's have a good,clean election?" That sort of thing?
2013-06-22 04:19:06 AM
1 votes:

Triumph: Hastor: Oh noes!  Partisan politics in a politics thread!  To the fainting couches!

Why is this in the politics tab anyway? Geek tab would be better. Or Entertainment, maybe.


It touches quite heavily on governance, so the politics seems fitting enough for me.  At least the story they're trying to weave does; the actual crash not so much.
2013-06-22 04:16:46 AM
1 votes:

Hastor: Oh noes!  Partisan politics in a politics thread!  To the fainting couches!


Why is this in the politics tab anyway? Geek tab would be better. Or Entertainment, maybe.
2013-06-22 04:13:17 AM
1 votes:

cman: It took you assholes long enough to insert partisan politics in this thread.

Six replies before political bashing. SIX REPLIES.

You guys are slippin.


Oh noes!  Partisan politics in a politics thread!  To the fainting couches!
2013-06-22 04:11:49 AM
1 votes:

GeneralJim: MmmmBacon: The GOP will seize onto this death and turn it into Obama's "Vince Foster" moment. Whether it is true or not.
Just for my own curiosity about how to interpret your post, how do you see Vince Foster's death?


How do YOU see Vince Foster's death?
2013-06-22 04:05:16 AM
1 votes:
Was he meeting up with Vincent Foster?  Odd how these things happen...
2013-06-22 04:03:41 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, I suspected we'd hear something like this, regardless of accuracy.

No way to prove it, unless car tampering is discovered, and proved.
2013-06-22 02:54:46 AM
1 votes:

At some point, a threshold is passed, and, as Jon Stewart put it, the burden of proof shifts.  No matter what batshiat conspiracy theory anyone comes up with, now the government has to treat it as a serious claim.  So, a death that appears to be a strange coincidence needs to be investigated thoroughly.


Jon Stewart's rant.

2013-06-22 02:00:38 AM
1 votes:
2013-06-22 01:52:37 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, I doubt that

But if you want a real conspiracy theory, google Danny Casolaro
 
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