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2013-06-21 11:43:34 PM
Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?
 
2013-06-21 11:59:58 PM
Dick sucks wut?

Especially loved the "Olestra, yea no one does that" (anymore) so not gonna talk about it... Because anal leakage is totally natural... And so not "this product totally farks my point"
 
2013-06-22 12:01:56 AM
Hell, we got that in one post here yesterday

/of course, it was so boring we had to have it repeated four times by other chemists
 
2013-06-22 12:02:21 AM
Where would we be without zinc oxide?
 
2013-06-22 12:19:39 AM
fta But chlorine is also the major part, by weight, of table salt. So which is it? Toxic death gas or universal table seasoning?

Salt or death?
 
2013-06-22 12:24:11 AM
Notabunny:

Salt or death?

Salty death?
t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-22 12:33:04 AM

Notabunny: fta But chlorine is also the major part, by weight, of table salt. So which is it? Toxic death gas or universal table seasoning?

Salt or death?


Death.. No! Salt, I meant salt.
 
2013-06-22 12:49:37 AM
Geez, does that guy get paid by the word? WtFl;dFr version: Forget about it, Jake. It's Buzzfeed.
 
2013-06-22 12:51:19 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Geez, does that guy get paid by the word? WtFl;dFr version: Forget about it, Jake. It's Buzzfeed.


There's a reason why scientific journals enforce strict word limits.
 
2013-06-22 12:54:11 AM
Shorter: Chemicals good.
 
2013-06-22 01:16:31 AM
DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!

sno man: Especially loved the "Olestra, yea no one does that" (anymore) so not gonna talk about it... Because anal leakage is totally natural... And so not "this product totally farks my point"


Is that still even on the market? I haven't seen it in years. It was a fantastic diet product, though, because you couldn't keep anything in.
 
2013-06-22 01:26:38 AM
Also why you can't trust any Featured Partner articles from Buzzfeed, the Gawker family of sources, Cracked, Daily Fail, Contact Music, etc.
 
2013-06-22 02:11:36 AM
I didn't read the original Buzzfeed article, it does sound a little over the top. But I think a healthy scepticism is warranted when it comes to highly processed foods or foods that have an overabundance of preservatives. And if people make different choices or, God forbid, healthier choices, isn't that desirable?

All is not well with the western diet as obesity rates, diabetes rates, heart disease rates and so on show. The quantity and quality of our food is a matter for concern. I'm not saying we should all become quinoa munching vegan locavores, but being attentive to our food and making mindful choices in what to eat certainly wouldn't be harmful.
 
2013-06-22 02:44:43 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Geez, does that guy get paid by the word? WtFl;dFr version: Forget about it, Jake. It's Buzzfeed.


It was an academic exercise; a futile one, but I'm glad to have read it. The whole irony of a long article debunking a BuzzFeed article is that attention-span deprived folk couldn't possibly sit still long enough to read the debunking, but will internalize the perils of the former and repeat these warning to their hapless friends for years to come. It'll become part of the awesome "I read it somewhere that..." conversation.

If the same folk happen to be correct, and live to be 95 having avoided everything they were ever warned about, I damn sure want to die younger than to be stuck on the planet with folks who believe most of this "Top Ten Perils that await you" tripe.
 
2013-06-22 04:20:04 AM
BuzzFeed publishes an article claiming something is toxic.

The irony.
 
2013-06-22 05:05:12 AM
back in the day kids would BS with each other out behind the shed, and tell stories about things they heard. Like how a tooth will dissolve in Coke and that there is aligators in the sewers.

years later kids would call each other on the phone nd tell stories about things they heard. Like how this guy got drugged and woke up i a bathtub filled with ice and was missing a kidney.

sometime after that, they started to forward each emails that got. Like how if you too forwarded the email Microsoft would send you money, and how Obama is a Muslim.

Now, thanks to the internet, we have buzzfeed to spread bullshiat faster than we ever have before.
 
2013-06-22 05:07:07 AM

sno man: Dick sucks wut?

Especially loved the "Olestra, yea no one does that" (anymore) so not gonna talk about it... Because anal leakage is totally natural... And so not "this product totally farks my point"


The quote was

" But I can agree with the plan of not eating the stuff: I think that if you're going to eat potato chips, eat a reasonable amount of the real ones. "

So unreasonable.
 
2013-06-22 05:24:58 AM
This article is indicative of why people don't listen to "scientists".
 
2013-06-22 05:26:21 AM

PacManDreaming: Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 05:32:38 AM

log_jammin: Now, thanks to the internet, we have buzzfeed to spread bullshiat faster than we ever have before.


and we have google to disprove falsehoods faster than ever before.

Its kind of crazy... I was discussing with my wife that our 2 year old is going to be one of the first kids born into the "google generation"... a life where literally any answer in the entire world is right at your fingertips, from birth.  I cant really exclaim just how significant a change that is for humanity.  Knowledge has always been the key to everything in life.  Remember every stupid argument you ever had as a child?  Every one will now be ended with "well lets just find out" as the child whips out their smart phone and looks it up.  Want to know how to change spark plugs?  Fix a toilet?  Grow some tomatoes?  Program a robot?  Find the square footage of your sandbox?

Everything you ever wanted to know... bam, right there.  Instantly.  For free.

Its going to be fascinating to watch him grow up in this new world.
 
2013-06-22 05:37:48 AM

PacManDreaming: Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?


That'd be my guess.  He sounds like he knows his chemistry, but fark-all about modern food production...or, as you suggest, he's just another shill.

From his article:  "White rice, for example comes in at about 100 parts per billion of inorganic arsenic (and brown rice at 170 ppb). These, by the way, are all-natural arsenic levels, produced by the plant's own uptake from the soil."

This is HIGHLY disingenuous:  yes, rice "naturally" uptakes arsenic from the soil, but a lot of that arsenic didn't GET THERE naturally.  Some of it got there from discontinued products...like the chicken he says is "no big deal".

He probably thinks GM food has no conceivable side-effects, because the genes come from things we already eat, and are just chemicals anyway...just another guy who's brilliant in his field, but actively dangerous due to his lack of knowledge and/or ethics OUTSIDE his area.

Frankly, you're better off avoiding processed food for the wrong reasons he debunks, than listening to industry apologists and eating too much of it...no matter how good they are at chemistry, they suck at nutrition.

/eats Pringles
//and Doritoes
 
2013-06-22 05:41:06 AM

Alonjar: log_jammin: Now, thanks to the internet, we have buzzfeed to spread bullshiat faster than we ever have before.

and we have google to disprove falsehoods faster than ever before.

Its kind of crazy... I was discussing with my wife that our 2 year old is going to be one of the first kids born into the "google generation"... a life where literally any answer in the entire world is right at your fingertips, from birth.  I cant really exclaim just how significant a change that is for humanity.  Knowledge has always been the key to everything in life.  Remember every stupid argument you ever had as a child?  Every one will now be ended with "well lets just find out" as the child whips out their smart phone and looks it up.  Want to know how to change spark plugs?  Fix a toilet?  Grow some tomatoes?  Program a robot?  Find the square footage of your sandbox?

Everything you ever wanted to know... bam, right there.  Instantly.  For free.

Its going to be fascinating to watch him grow up in this new world.


...I actually haven't seen the "google generation" materialize.  If anything, I find kids are as misinformed, if not more so, than the adults.  Because they don't have the filters that the adults do; even with Google, they might take the first result they see as gospel. Or rely too much on one site to be truly informed (If Fark says it's true, then by god, it's true...no matter what every other site says).  It's like that chick in the State Farm commercial that says "They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true." "Where'd you hear that?" "The internet."  It's a bit of a paradox: The more access to information, the more likely it seems that someone will get something completely wrong.

/Uh...Bonjour.
 
2013-06-22 05:43:04 AM
But on this, BuzzFeed's original article had the "ZOMG SODIUM LAURYL SULFATE WASHES GARAGE FLOORS AND IT'S BAD FOR YOU GUYZ!" vibe for me.  I'm glad someone did actual research.
 
2013-06-22 05:46:34 AM

Alonjar: and we have google to disprove falsehoods faster than ever before.

Its kind of crazy... I was discussing with my wife that our 2 year old is going to be one of the first kids born into the "google generation"... a life where literally any answer in the entire world is right at your fingertips, from birth.  I cant really exclaim just how significant a change that is for humanity.  Knowledge has always been the key to everything in life.  Remember every stupid argument you ever had as a child?  Every one will now be ended with "well lets just find out" as the child whips out their smart phone and looks it up.  Want to know how to change spark plugs?  Fix a toilet?  Grow some tomatoes?  Program a robot?  Find the square footage of your sandbox?

Everything you ever wanted to know... bam, right there.  Instantly.  For free.

Its going to be fascinating to watch him grow up in this new world.


But people aren't using it to debunk. They use it to reinforce their opinions. Just look at the number of people who never get past the headline, let alone to the final page of the article or, (yeah right) clicking the links in the story to the actual study/report/law/etc.. hell, take this thread for example. "probably on a someones payroll" and "here is where I only kinda read his statement so I'm going to completely characterize it instead of actually addressing what he said".

I completely understand what you're saying and have thought the same thing myself. We do have everything we want to know right at our fingertips. The problem is, no one wants to admit that they maybe wrong so they only look for information from sources they already agree with.
 
2013-06-22 05:48:52 AM

IlGreven: But on this, BuzzFeed's original article had the "ZOMG SODIUM LAURYL SULFATE WASHES GARAGE FLOORS AND IT'S BAD FOR YOU GUYZ!" vibe for me.  I'm glad someone did actual research.


So they didn't use their usual format of...

[pictureofafood.jpg}
"eww gross!"

{pictureofanotherfood.jpg]
"Sodium? no way!"
 
2013-06-22 05:49:57 AM
I've spent 24 hours freaking out scared about arsenic because I eat a lot of chicken so I'm grateful to this author for letting me know it's safe for me to go back to farking, I mean eating, my chicken.
 
2013-06-22 05:50:30 AM
Chemophobes REACT!

/facepalms forehead completely through hand, showering screen with blood and bone
 
2013-06-22 05:54:07 AM

IlGreven: Alonjar: log_jammin: Now, thanks to the internet, we have buzzfeed to spread bullshiat faster than we ever have before.

and we have google to disprove falsehoods faster than ever before.

Its kind of crazy... I was discussing with my wife that our 2 year old is going to be one of the first kids born into the "google generation"... a life where literally any answer in the entire world is right at your fingertips, from birth.  I cant really exclaim just how significant a change that is for humanity.  Knowledge has always been the key to everything in life.  Remember every stupid argument you ever had as a child?  Every one will now be ended with "well lets just find out" as the child whips out their smart phone and looks it up.  Want to know how to change spark plugs?  Fix a toilet?  Grow some tomatoes?  Program a robot?  Find the square footage of your sandbox?

Everything you ever wanted to know... bam, right there.  Instantly.  For free.

Its going to be fascinating to watch him grow up in this new world.

...I actually haven't seen the "google generation" materialize.  If anything, I find kids are as misinformed, if not more so, than the adults.  Because they don't have the filters that the adults do; even with Google, they might take the first result they see as gospel. Or rely too much on one site to be truly informed (If Fark says it's true, then by god, it's true...no matter what every other site says).  It's like that chick in the State Farm commercial that says "They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true." "Where'd you hear that?" "The internet."  It's a bit of a paradox: The more access to information, the more likely it seems that someone will get something completely wrong.

/Uh...Bonjour.


"The students not only believed all of the fabricated information, but also insisted on the existence of the tree octopus, even when researchers explained all the information had been made up."

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/education/2011/02/tree-octopus-exposes- in ternet-illiteracy/
 
2013-06-22 05:56:30 AM
FTFA "There are facts in this world, you know. Learn a few."

Must not be a farker then
 
2013-06-22 06:01:00 AM
to much words not enough pictures
 
2013-06-22 06:01:36 AM

PunGent: He probably thinks GM food has no conceivable side-effects


They do have side effects for the agriculture industry, patent law, and tampering with natural ecosystems... but are you saying you think you can absorb something's DNA into your body by eating it? Do you gain courage on the weekends by eating the hearts of other brave warriors?
 
2013-06-22 06:03:51 AM

log_jammin: back in the day kids would BS with each other out behind the shed, and tell stories about things they heard. Like how a tooth will dissolve in Coke and that there is aligators in the sewers.

years later kids would call each other on the phone nd tell stories about things they heard. Like how this guy got drugged and woke up i a bathtub filled with ice and was missing a kidney.

sometime after that, they started to forward each emails that got. Like how if you too forwarded the email Microsoft would send you money, and how Obama is a Muslim.

Now, thanks to the internet, we have buzzfeed to spread bullshiat faster than we ever have before.


img.fark.net

Agrees.
 
2013-06-22 06:04:52 AM
thisispete: I didn't read the original Buzzfeed article, it does sound a little over the top. But I think a healthy scepticism is warranted when it comes to highly processed foods or foods that have an overabundance of preservatives. And if people make different choices or, God forbid, healthier choices, isn't that desirable?

This is a major selling tactic for global warming hysteria. Even if it's not true, all that economic ruin will be worth having cleaner air.
 
2013-06-22 06:07:45 AM

HotWingAgenda: PunGent: He probably thinks GM food has no conceivable side-effects

They do have side effects for the agriculture industry, patent law, and tampering with natural ecosystems... but are you saying you think you can absorb something's DNA into your body by eating it? Do you gain courage on the weekends by eating the hearts of other brave warriors?


You missed the best part of that comment.

PunGent said what he thinks the guy probably believes, then called him  dangerous said he lacks of knowledge and/or ethics, based on the opinion the guy never said he had.

In a way, it was almost beautiful.
 
2013-06-22 06:10:23 AM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Agrees.


yup. Thanks to her for unleashing the homeopath Dr Oz on us.
 
2013-06-22 06:13:00 AM

HotWingAgenda: PunGent: He probably thinks GM food has no conceivable side-effects

They do have side effects for the agriculture industry, patent law, and tampering with natural ecosystems... but are you saying you think you can absorb something's DNA into your body by eating it? Do you gain courage on the weekends by eating the hearts of other brave warriors?


I'm pretty sure that it's bear hearts that increase courage.
 
2013-06-22 06:14:21 AM

log_jammin: GreatGlavinsGhost: Agrees.

yup. Thanks to her for unleashing the homeopath Dr Oz on us.


Dr. Oz is gay?
 
2013-06-22 06:14:23 AM
Does this mean I can buy Little Debbies with less guilt, or more guilt?
 
2013-06-22 06:15:09 AM

Yes this is dog: Dr. Oz is gay?


el oh el
 
2013-06-22 06:20:27 AM
I love how after Fark is inundated with so much bullshiat, weeks later there will be headlines greenlit that mock the very linked material as if to distance itself.
Fark is so much better. Let's laugh at those other websites, Fark isn't like them at all!

Over/under for Gawker today is 5 for main tab only, 10 if all tabs are included excluding video.
 
2013-06-22 06:25:11 AM
"brain cancer, nerve-cell deterioration, and hyperactivity"

It's the only Radiohead EP I can't find on vinyl, anywhere.
 
2013-06-22 06:26:57 AM

PacManDreaming: Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?


Don't trust Long Man Who Bring Light.  Long Man suck.  Long Man have AGENDA.
 
2013-06-22 06:30:52 AM

Alonjar: Find the square footage of your sandbox?


feral cats have already figured this one out and are plotting just what to do with the knowledge.
 
2013-06-22 06:38:42 AM
I am amazed that he called buzzfeed an article.  I thought articles had to be longer than a paragraph in total.  Buzzfeed barely can fill a tweet.
 
2013-06-22 06:40:44 AM

sno man: Dick sucks wut?

Especially loved the "Olestra, yea no one does that" (anymore) so not gonna talk about it... Because anal leakage is totally natural... And so not "this product totally farks my point"


If "natural" is your goal in what you eat then you were born about 18000 years too late, pretty much everything edible to humans that you could actually reasonably obtain in sufficient quantities to survive nowadays is, at minimum, a product of an evil sorcerer technique called "agriculture" which is by definition the exact opposite of natural, being entirely based on forcing plants and animals to do and produce all sorts of things they don't outside of human interference.

And the anal leakage was essentially related to the basic nature of eating a bunch of insoluble oils to begin with, not something truly specific to Olestra.  Castor oil, made from basic pressed beans, is basically the same thing (mechanically, chemically they're distinct but since they don't really react who cares) and is used as a laxative for that reason.  Pretty much what the entire class of chemicals work that way, and it's well known because they occur in normal plant products in various quantities all the time.  You can prevent the issue by regulating your dose of whatever you're eating, and it isn't any more worrisome than the fact that you'll pick up a bit of a high and some jitters from drinking a lot of coffee.

//Olestra, honestly, was mostly discontinued because it wasn't cost-effective and because of the lack of a positive boost to sales, not because it was dangerous or even because of the relatively few people complaining.  Apathy is a terrible reaction to get to something you're spending a lot of money on.
 
2013-06-22 06:43:15 AM

HotWingAgenda: They do have side effects for the agriculture industry, patent law, and tampering with natural ecosystems... but are you saying you think you can absorb something's DNA into your body by eating it? Do you gain courage on the weekends by eating the hearts of other brave warriors?


I ate a bunch of jellybabies and now I  have a jelly belly. Pretty sure jellybaby DNA is taking over my body.
 
2013-06-22 06:47:46 AM

PunGent: From his article: "White rice, for example comes in at about 100 parts per billion of inorganic arsenic (and brown rice at 170 ppb). These, by the way, are all-natural arsenic levels, produced by the plant's own uptake from the soil."

This is HIGHLY disingenuous: yes, rice "naturally" uptakes arsenic from the soil, but a lot of that arsenic didn't GET THERE naturally. Some of it got there from discontinued products...like the chicken he says is "no big deal".


imgs.xkcd.com

What, is Monsanto adding arsenic to rice now?

Also, he correctly debunked the claim as not only incorrect, but outdated as the offending product had been withdrawn for the exact jewel-clutching reason mentioned in the BuzzFeed article.
 
2013-06-22 06:49:44 AM

PacManDreaming: Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?


...like the natural food industry doesn't have billions of dollars to discredit "Big Food" every chance they get?

/You're naive if you think that the organic food industry is "the little guy".
 
2013-06-22 06:49:47 AM
The guy is pretty much right across the board, although it reads a bit like an article sponsored  by big chem/ big pharma...
However, he fails here:
"I can also add, from my own experiences in drug discovery, that all of the multiple attempts to treat cancer by blocking IGF-1 signaling, and that might also cause one to question the overall linkage a bit."

Failing to treat cancer by blocking IGF-1 signaling says very little about the possibility that high IGF-1 levels in blood may be related to increased cancer rates.

/biochemist, molecular biologist
//works in drug discovery
 
2013-06-22 06:52:34 AM

IlGreven: PacManDreaming: Or chemist on someone's payroll playing spin doctor?

...like the natural food industry doesn't have billions of dollars to discredit "Big Food" every chance they get?

/You're naive if you think that the organic food industry is "the little guy".


Lawdy, how will we evah know hwut to eat!?
 
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