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(Inside Higher Ed)   U. of Colorado investigated for lack of faculty political diversity. Faculty: But we have leftists, radicals, progressives, socialists, communists, Stalinists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Maoists...how much more diversity do you want?   ( insidehighered.com) divider line
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2013-06-22 02:09:56 AM  
7 votes:
Conservatives are under-represented in higher education.  In other news: Atheists are under-represented in church leadership.
2013-06-21 09:54:51 PM  
7 votes:
So, the wingers say the faculty isn't politically correct enough, and demand affirmative action to hire people they claim are being discriminated against.
2013-06-22 10:19:16 AM  
2 votes:

that bosnian sniper: Maybe, just  maybe, were the GOP not so batshiat insane ideology would be "better represented" in academia.


I think a lot of it simply has to do with conservatives not wanting to be in academia.  There's a lot of cut-throat ladder climbing, fraud, abuse, petty politics, and nepotism in academia, but not as much as they like.
2013-06-22 06:10:50 AM  
2 votes:

LordJiro: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.

"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"


STAN....I said his name was STAN...damn my dyslexia!
2013-06-22 05:55:28 AM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.


"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"
2013-06-22 05:36:41 AM  
2 votes:
The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.
2013-06-22 03:09:17 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.

Heh, something tells me you've never tried to do business with a real estate agent (*shivers*).

You may be right in a correlation between engineers and nuts, but I wonder if more if it isn't from there being a heck of a lot more people with engineering degrees than those who pursue careers in academia in the sciences.  You can be an engineer with a bachelor's degree, to be a science professor who gets any attention you need a PhD and a healthy list of published papers.

On the other hand, fields heavy in math and numbers tend to attract those who are uncomfortable in social situations, so that may align with the pers ...


Engineers? Try anyone military.  There is about a 70% chance that they are absolutely sure that their training and experience in the desert has left them capable of, with mere seconds of pondering, quickly finding the easy solution to the most difficult of problems. I work with guys who pass up on their 401k matching and have a retirement plan of "pay off my house" but they are positive they understand the complexities of macro-economics as well as climate science. But they are marines damnit, so unless you've shot someone you don't know shiat about shiat.

This could be similar to your point of being able to become an engineer with so much less study than a scientist.  A military guy is convinced he is an expert with a single academy.

Other gems include "I spent four years in the army, so I think I know more about the constitution than you do".
2013-06-22 02:24:55 AM  
2 votes:

Ishkur: If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.


Yeah, but they studied it out.
2013-06-21 09:37:28 PM  
2 votes:
How many little Eichmanns do they have?
2013-06-22 06:30:41 PM  
1 vote:

Skirl Hutsenreiter: cchris_39: Whatever happened to that crazy indian that use to teach there?

Fired.  He challenged it in court and lost.


If I remember right, on a second appeal, he won, but the judge found him so despicable he award Churchill $1.00.
2013-06-22 10:04:58 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.


Are you kidding me? This guy's political bias is all over that paper. The author's clearly a liberal, you can tell by the way he makes propositions then backs them up with logic and math instead of making statements then backing them up with unicorn farts and the bible.
2013-06-22 10:04:16 AM  
1 vote:
They call themselves progressive, but were there also rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists?


Dean Hedley Lamarr wants to keep diverse, you know.
2013-06-22 10:01:19 AM  
1 vote:
Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short
2013-06-22 06:59:31 AM  
1 vote:
Instead of whining for government welfare why don't conservatives urge professors to use the power of the free market and seek a position at Liberty or Bob Jones?
2013-06-22 04:44:54 AM  
1 vote:
An atheist is someone who lacks religious faith.
A conservative is someone who lacks knowledge.
2013-06-22 03:03:41 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.

Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.



"Remark 2.5. In this paper, V will be either a Bk or Sk x I and X = @Bk or Sk x1."


This was the libby lib part, right?  That whole remark looks communist...
2013-06-22 02:55:23 AM  
1 vote:

Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.


You must be amazingly healthy, as it seems you have never met a physician.

The sentiment regarding them was best encapsulated by my dear ol' dad, who told me so many years ago, "not only do they know more about practicing medicine than you do, but they also know more about your Winnebago than you do."
2013-06-22 02:32:24 AM  
1 vote:

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


The issue is not the proportion of conservatives on staff, but how they are treated and whether that results in students not getting both kinds of derp.
2013-06-22 02:28:55 AM  
1 vote:
You mean people who think the Earth is 6000 years old don't make good geology professors?!?  Or biology, or climatology, or anthropology, or archaeology, or...
2013-06-22 02:20:34 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.


Nobody likes high deficit spending. Some are just more willing to accept it as a minor 'evil' than others.


I liked the little kicker at the end of TFA. "There is no evidence this problem exists, but it will cost 40k to study it."
2013-06-22 02:11:11 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.


Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.
2013-06-22 02:03:10 AM  
1 vote:

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


I don't know about engineering, but in my experience most of the professors who are in business, finance or anything related are quite conservative to the point of being rather sycophantic towards 'job creators' and conservative political string-pullers. It's mostly the fields that conservatives think are useless, snobby, evil and possibly sent to us directly by Satan that are filled with liberals.

It takes a special kind of brass ones to decry whole fields of study as 'lies from the pit of hell' and then complain that a school isn't hiring enough geology professors who think that so called carbon dating is a trick played on all of us by Satan, because obviously people are being mean to them by insisting that people who teach science understand what the scientific method is and think it's a good idea to use it.

The reason more people don't hate the Amish is because they aren't out harassing bus lines that they aren't hiring enough Amish drivers, who would then get paid to sit in their bus in the parking lot for 8 hours a day because actually DRIVING it would be evil, and by sitting in it during their shift to keep it from being driven they are doing the Lord's work.
2013-06-22 02:00:35 AM  
1 vote:

whidbey: Sorry, but if conservatism and other right-leaning political ideologies weren't such moribund racist sexist socially-impeding philosophies, it would undoubtably be taught there.

No tears for someone who complains that there aren't enough classes where the teacher is fellaiting Ronald Reagan or some other overglorified loser mostly old people hail as some sort of hero.


Wow, dude; has anyone told you that you might have anger issues?
2013-06-22 01:58:03 AM  
1 vote:

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.
2013-06-22 01:50:38 AM  
1 vote:

TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.


No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.
2013-06-22 01:32:34 AM  
1 vote:
I dont think there is a lack of political diversity

I just think that there are those who just dont speak up and voice their political concerns as they are more interested in teaching rather than impressing young students with propaganda
2013-06-22 12:52:30 AM  
1 vote:
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur
2013-06-22 12:41:45 AM  
1 vote:
I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?
2013-06-21 10:40:01 PM  
1 vote:
Subby, you're sounding oppressed. Are you feeling oppressed?
2013-06-21 10:01:57 PM  
1 vote:
Obviously fascists and Nazis are underrepresented

/but I repeat myself
2013-06-21 09:47:04 PM  
1 vote:
Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales
2013-06-21 09:23:07 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
 
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